Re: fires, quakes and tornadoes...
At 07:36 PM Wednesday 11/7/2007, jon louis mann wrote: >i think i will have a seismic cutoff valve installed after >all these stories. every once in while you hear a story of a >flying cow landing in a tree... > jon > >They make a seismic cutoff valve for cows? Or just the ones in the >Archer Farms commercial? > -- Ronn! :) > > in the event of a flying cow i would need a heavy dooty umbrella... . . . to ward off the heavy doody. Little Birdie In The Sky/Why'd You Do That In My Eye/Little Birdie Flying High/I'm Just Glad That Cows Don't Fly Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: UN Sanctions
Original Message: - From: jon louis mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:25:43 -0800 (PST) To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: UN Sanctions >And who decides whether or not it's a good idea? The interfering country will probably >think it's an excellent idea in most cases. The interfered-with country will probably >not. Julia > I absolutely agree, julia, which is why i said it should be a coalition formed under >united nation auspices, and used darfur as an example. Given that, the logical conclusion, as far as I see it, is that we have to accept the fact that there will only be intervention when Russia and China think it is in their self interest. With respect to Darfur in particular, it has been made very clear that the UN will not do anything meaningful to stop the genocide until the government of the Sudan decides it is in their interest to stop it, or other outside forces ended it (as happened Rwanda and the Balkins). Indeed, Sudan served on the Human Rights Commission while the genocide was taking place. Now, we agree that GWB's foreign policy have been a nightmare. Even among my rather conservative Houston friends, I don't get much in the way of defense of his actions (especially when I explicitly seperate GWB's actions from their own beliefs). So, I'd like to review this policy in terms of Clinton's and Bush Senior's actions. Clinton's most notable action in this regard was his illegal ending of the Balkins genocide. The UN's peacekeeping activities were deliberately hamstrung by the Russians, who supported the Serbs. They ensured that the UN would do nothing effective. The Dutchbat report on the actions of UN Peackeepers during the that time gives good insight into this (I really don't fault the Dutch troops, they were set up to fail by the nature of the restrictions on UN action). The second is the no-fly zone set up by Bush Sr. and continued by Clinton (with the British and with the French until '98). This stopped the atrocities against the Kurds in the North and decreased the atrocities against the Shiites in the South. This was not explictly authorized by the UN, it was justified by an interpretation of a previous resolution. The third is the bombing of Iraqi military targets by Clinton after Hussein ruled large facilities off limits to the inspectors. The fourth is the threat by Clinton to bomb N. Korean nuclear facilities when they were building reactors that would provide enough plutonium for 50 A-bombs per year. As a result of these threats, a deal was made to freeze production in exchange for aid. This is, as far as I can tell, the same deal Bush accepted after rejecting it as appeasment in 2001. None of these actions were under the auspices of the UN. If memory serves me, the only two times that the UN authorized the use of more than minimal force were Korea and Gulf War I. So, if we limit ourselves to UN authorizations, we would agree that intervention would be extrodinarily rare. Now, I'm not arguing that you favor continuing the genocide in Danfur, or N. Korea having hundreds of A-bombs by now, or the Balkins still being in flames, etc. I think I know your position well enough now to know you think all of those things are horrid, and are happy they didn't happen. What I don't know is whether you think that the US acting alone, or with one ally, or even with NATO without UN authorization is inherenly so risky that it would actually be better to allow those things to happen than for the US to have acted outside the scope international law in those cases. Dan M. Dan M. mail2web LIVE Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
fires, quakes and tornadoes...
i think i will have a seismic cutoff valve installed after all these stories. every once in while you hear a story of a flying cow landing in a tree... jon They make a seismic cutoff valve for cows? Or just the ones in the Archer Farms commercial? -- Ronn! :) in the event of a flying cow i would need a heavy dooty umbrella... the gas cutoff valve would be for earthquakes. jon __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Osama - yo' mama
Osama - Yo' Mama (You In A Heap O' Trouble Boy) Ray Stevens Written by Ray Stevens and C.W. Kalb, Jr. - FEATURED ON Osama-Yo'mama. Also includes "United We Stand." Osama-Yo Mama / United We Stand Single OTHER ALBUMS Collection All-Time Greatest Comic Hits All-Time Greatest Hits The Country Hits Collection Gretest Hits Golden Classics Osama - yo' mama didn't raise you right When you were young she must have wrapped yo' turban too tight She should have kept you home on those arabian nights It's plain to see - you need some therapy Osama - yo' mama could have done a lot better Though I bet every day you did somethin' to upset her By the way, we got an answer to your anthrax letter New York City's where it's from - it's called a smart bomb Chorus And I can hear yo' mama sayin' now, "You in a heap o' trouble son Now just look what you've done Saw you on TV with yo' gun Mercy sakes, I can't do a thing wit'cha, told ya dubyah's gonna git'cha" And I can just hear dubyah sayin', "You in a heap 'o trouble boy And I don't think you will enjoy Our game of search and destroy We got your terror right here, and we gon' run it up yo' rear" Osama - yo' mama didn't teach you how to act You've crossed the line too far this time, there ain't no turnin' back You're startin' to remind us of another maniac Yeah, you know who - he started World War II Osama - yo' mama didn't teach you to behave Now they say you're hangin' with the bats in a cave Well, pullin' off that sneak attack was not too brave Kinda makes us remember - the 7th of December Chorus And I can hear yo' mama sayin' now, "You in a heap o' trouble son Now just look what you've done Saw you on TV with yo' gun Mercy sakes, I can't do a thing wit'cha, told ya dubyah's gonna git'cha" And I can just hear dubyah sayin', "You in a heap 'o trouble boy And I don't think you will enjoy Our game of search and destroy We got your terror right here, and we gon' run it up yo' rear" Tag Lines Osama yo' karma's really got you in a jam But that's just what you get - when you mess with Uncle Sam Osama the Taliban is history Nobody wants to see you startin' World War Three Osama you know the al-Qaida won't last Osama, just like you, it's future's in the past Osama you should've read your Nostradamus Now all your friends are sayin' "Please don't bomb us" Visit Ray Stevens Home Page Osama - Yo' Mama (You In A Heap O' Trouble Boy) Ray Stevens Written by Ray Stevens and C.W. Kalb, Jr. - FEATURED ON Osama-Yo'mama. Also includes "United We Stand." Osama-Yo Mama / United We Stand Single OTHER ALBUMS Collection All-Time Greatest Comic Hits All-Time Greatest Hits The Country Hits Collection Gretest Hits Golden Classics Osama - yo' mama didn't raise you right When you were young she must have wrapped yo' turban too tight She should have kept you home on those arabian nights It's plain to see - you need some therapy Osama - yo' mama could have done a lot better Though I bet every day you did somethin' to upset her By the way, we got an answer to your anthrax letter New York City's where it's from - it's called a smart bomb Chorus And I can hear yo' mama sayin' now, "You in a heap o' trouble son Now just look what you've done Saw you on TV with yo' gun Mercy sakes, I can't do a thing wit'cha, told ya dubyah's gonna git'cha" And I can just hear dubyah sayin', "You in a heap 'o trouble boy And I don't think you will enjoy Our game of search and destroy We got your terror right here, and we gon' run it up yo' rear" Osama - yo' mama didn't teach you how to act You've crossed the line too far this time, there ain't no turnin' back You're startin' to remind us of another maniac Yeah, you know who - he started World War II Osama - yo' mama didn't teach you to behave Now they say you're hangin' with the bats in a cave Well, pullin' off that sneak attack was not too brave Kinda makes us remember - the 7th of December Chorus And I can hear yo' mama sayin' now, "You in a heap o' trouble son Now just look what you've done Saw you on TV with yo' gun Mercy sakes, I can't do a thing wit'cha, told ya dubyah's gonna git'cha" And I can just hear dubyah sayin', "You in a heap 'o trouble boy And I don't think you will enjoy Our game of search and destroy We got your terror right here, and we gon' run it up yo' rear" Tag Lines Osama yo' karma's really got you in a jam But that's just what you get - when you mess with Uncle Sam Osama the Taliban is history Nobody wants to see you startin' World War Three Osama you know the al-Qaida won't last Osama, just like you, it's future's in the past Osama you should've read your Nostradamus Now all your friends are sayin' "Please don't bomb us" Visit Ray Stevens Home Page __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has
UN Sanctions
And who decides whether or not it's a good idea? The interfering country will probably think it's an excellent idea in most cases. The interfered-with country will probably not. Julia I absolutely agree, julia, which is why i said it should be a coalition formed under united nation auspices, and used darfur as an example. jon __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
That Greatness Of Spirit
http://dailynightly.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/11/07/452331.aspx Covering the story of this Medal of Honor recipient is doing much more than a profile of a heroic American. This is the reunion of two old friends, both of them foot-soldiers from the U.S. Army, and both decorated with the highest military honors this county bestows. I am working with Col. Jack Jacobs (on the left), a recipient of the Medal of Honor for his service in Vietnam. Jack was here in Orange County, California to interview another Medal of Honor soldier, 78 year-old Tibor Rubin (on the right), who served in Korea. Rubin had spent almost three years in a Nazi concentration camp before he was liberated by Gen. George Patton's troops. It was then he vowed to "become a GI Joe, 'cause that is what we call the American Army." As Jack Jacobs asks Rubin about his time in combat, the tone is very matter-of-fact. These men take no pleasure in remembering similar shared experiences of escaping death while friends and fellow soldiers lost their lives. It's fascinating to hear Rubin describe times in combat: defending a hill in Korea, for example, as his unit retreats. His Staff Sergeant had ordered him to defend the hill alone. The sergeant had called Ted a "stupid son-of-a-bitch Jew" but promised to come back and get the corporal in two days. It was Rubin's first combat mission, and here is how it is described by the Medal of Honor Foundation: "Rubin single-handedly defended the hill for over 24 hours. He incapacitated or killed a staggering number of Korean troops, and slowed the remaining force to a standstill. His regiment made a successful retreat, but his sergeant never came to relieve him." It was that kind of war for Rubin. A sergeant who assigned him to the most dangerous missions, and never processed the paperwork from the commanding officers who recommended the young Hungarian immigrant for Silver Stars and the Medal of Honor. The day before this video shoot, when Jacobs and I were talking about the upcoming interview, Jack told me that decorated combat veterans often do not elaborate much on their time under fire. He was right. When Jacobs asked Rubin several times how he was able to persevere against such difficult odds, Rubin had two basic replies, "I was young and strong and somehow I made it, I don't know how," and, "You know, I never want to be a hero, I don't know what really a hero means." I got a good idea of what being a hero is during my visit with Ted Rubin. To quote again from the Medal of Honor Foundation: "The sergeant continued to send Rubin on impossible missions. Each time he not only survived, he fought brilliantly, and each time the sergeant deliberately withheld his commendation." On another hill without a name near the border with North Korea, Ted Rubin's days in combat ended. He ran through enemy fire to fill in for a machine-gunner and his mate who had been killed. Rubin was wounded in the leg, arm and chest but kept firing the machine gun until he ran out of ammunition. He was taken prisoner. He was held for two and a half years in a POW camp where the Red Cross was not allowed to visit. Food was scarce, water was dirty and infected, and there was no medicine. It's a time Rubin doesn't like to talk about. Here's the exchange between Rubin and Jacobs about how the young corporal would break out of prison camp - not to escape, but to steal. "I try to steal everything I can." "You stole? You stole from who? From the Chinese and the North Kor.." "From the Chinese." "..and you stole what, food? "Corn. Barley. Millett, ah vegetables, whatever I can." "And then what did you do?" "I come back.. and then I give it to all the rest of the guys, because they was my brothers that needed.. that didn't have food." Here, Rubin pauses a moment. "It was very hard." That Rubin, a survivor of the Nazi death camps, had to deal with anti-Semitism in the Army, even as he served with honor, is a deep injustice. It took 55 years for the Army and the leadership in the Pentagon to recognize his heroism. When President George Bush presented Rubin the Medal of Honor in 2005, there was only one brief reference by the president to the long wait: "By awarding the medal of Honor to Corporal Rubin, the United States acknowledges a debt that time has not diminished." The last photo-op of the day was snapshots of the two Medal of Honor recipients. I got to take the picture, which I hope will take it's place among the many of a truly remarkable life. Jacobs and Rubin wore their medals, and the smiles of men who have performed at the highest level in the worst of circumstances. http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&brand=msnbc&tab=m5&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/&fg=&from=00&vid=bb7a79f7-1525-45a5-9f7d-cc07632ad5a5&playlist=videoByTag:mk:us:vs:0:tag:News_Editors%20Picks:ns:MSNVideo_Top_Cat:ps:10:sd:-1:ind:1:ff:8A I am in awe of this man. xponent Aspire Maru rob
Re: Br*n: Uplift at Star Trek
Deborah Harrell wrote: > Andre Norton wrote a children's book called _Star Cat_ > IIRC, about a race of telepathic > interstellar-travelling cats...hmm, maybe we've > mentioned that here previously. Oh my. I own a copy of that book. :-) --[Lance] -- Celebrate The Circle http://www.celebratethecircle.org/ Carolina Spirit Quest http://www.carolinaspiritquest.org/ My LiveJournal http://www.livejournal.com/users/labrown/ GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Internet Privacy and "Earth"
Here's an interesting interview about privacy in the age of Facebook and other social networking sites. Immediately reminded me of the net and the anti-secrecy viewpoints in "Earth". http://www.switched.com/2007/11/05/can-privacy-exist-on-the-internet/ --[Lance] -- Celebrate The Circle http://www.celebratethecircle.org/ Carolina Spirit Quest http://www.carolinaspiritquest.org/ My LiveJournal http://www.livejournal.com/users/labrown/ GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Ghostpost...synthetic biology and security
On Nov 6, 2007, at 5:27 PM, Dan M wrote: >> When he's not shilling for the Bush administration's kill- >> em-all-let-God-sort-em-out approach to global politics, his >> obvious intelligence shines through. > > Sigh, you know this reinforces my understanding of what the > internet is > doing for public discourse. Instead of discussions in stable > neighborhoods, which often have a diversity of opinion in them, there > are enough people on the net to find small sub-sets of opinion that do > not threaten one's own. Calling Gautam a "shill for ... Bush ..." was possibly inaccurate, and certainly "shrill". Forgive my pedantry, but "shill" -- literally, someone allied with the "house" who places bets to attract customers and figuratively, someone associated with a "seller" (of products or politics) who pretends to be independent while selling their wares -- is quite a different word from "shrill". > Gautam was on record here as rating Bush as a D- president, and > weighing > whether to vote for Bush or Kerry. That put him pretty well in the > middle of the country. He was very well respected by liberal Harvard > luminaries in political science, like Stanley Hoffman. How in the > world > is that possible if he were no more than a Bush shrill? He is evidently much more than a Bush shill, but I perceived him as being too caught up in the administration's world-view. The perception may have been wrong. > He has strong differences with many on this list, including me, on > a number > of subjects...but that's no more accurate than calling your position > "America is always wrong". It has been said. I shrug it off the best I can, but sometimes, I take it personally and respond inappropriately in ways that do not move a friendly conversation forward. Ah, well... IAAFMOAFH: I am a faulty member of a flawed humanity. > What I still don't understand is why people don't want to know the > actual > viewpoints of folks they don't agree with. Do you really not understand that, Dan? You are a bright, articulate guy, and I think you understand human nature better than that statement suggests. People resist the subtleties of others' viewpoints because they dig in in an argument, and seriously considering the others' point of view would weaken their position. Call it weakness, call it efficiency, call it what you will, it is human nature, and it is difficult to overcome. IAAFMOAFC Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty
On Nov 7, 2007, at 9:20 AM, William T Goodall wrote: > On 7 Nov 2007, at 14:17, Julia Thompson wrote: > >> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007, William T Goodall wrote: >> >>> On 7 Nov 2007, at 01:32, Dan M wrote: >>> > Not about invading other countries in the name of the Lord, Allah > or any athropomorphic deity... Just to be clear, is it the consensus here that no country should ever interfere with the internal affairs of another? >>> >>> Clearly this should only be done if it's a good idea. >> >> And who decides whether or not it's a good idea? The interfering >> country will probably think it's an excellent idea in most cases. >> The interfered-with country will probably not. > > It's OK if the interfering country is righteous but not if they're > wrongeous. > > Droll Maru Drollitude is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose. In answer to Dan's question, "yes, I have stopped beating my wife." Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br*n: Uplift at Star Trek
> Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > > 10/4/2007, Deborah Harrell wrote: > >Not to underplay Himself's importance or > brilliance, > >but genetic engineering of 'lower' animals to get > >intelligent servants/companions is not His > invention: > >the book I just referenced, _Breed To Come_ is > >about gengineered cats > Do you think cats would see being made more like > humans as an improvement? > At Least They Could Use The Can Opener Maru And wouldn't Lihleete be delighted to do that herself? But of course all us'n cat-owned know th' answer to yer qwery: *MMMrroewNO!** It would be a major step downward from their current multidimentional existence. Andre Norton wrote a children's book called _Star Cat_ IIRC, about a race of telepathic interstellar-travelling cats...hmm, maybe we've mentioned that here previously. Debbi who shockingly remembers enough organic chemistry (from 'way back in 1979 I think!) to help tutor a younger friend today...alkane, alkadiene, 1,3-dichlorocycloheptane... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Cat free London?
> Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > > 10/4/2007, Deborah Harrell wrote: > >And Of Course King Of The Wind! > I've heard that Beano can help with that . . . Do you have any idea *how much* Beano it'd take to cut down on an equid's flatulence?! (Well, actually, I don't think they'd survive the experience, since their guts are essentially big bags of fermenting...stuff. ) Debbi It Lives! Maru __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, "The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up." -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ "This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up." ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Ghostpost...synthetic biology and security
On 7 Nov 2007, at 13:56, Dan M wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of William T Goodall >> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 4:57 AM >> To: Killer Bs Discussion >> Subject: Re: Ghostpost...synthetic biology and security >> >> >> On 7 Nov 2007, at 01:27, Dan M wrote: >> >>> What I still don't understand is why people don't want to know the >>> actual >>> viewpoints of folks they don't agree with. >>> >> >> So how do you explain your propensity for straw man arguments? > > ?? > > I was responding to a post calling Gautam a shrill for a non-existent > policy. I've seen that type of argument repeatedly, here and > elsewhere. > Where's the straw man? > I was responding to that particular sentence which is why I snipped away the rest. Clarity Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ "You are coming to a sad realization. Cancel or Allow?" ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty
On 7 Nov 2007, at 14:17, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > On Wed, 7 Nov 2007, William T Goodall wrote: > >> >> On 7 Nov 2007, at 01:32, Dan M wrote: >> >>> >>> Not about invading other countries in the name of the Lord, Allah or any > athropomorphic deity... >>> >>> Just to be clear, is it the consensus here that no country should >>> ever >>> interfere with the internal affairs of another? >> >> Clearly this should only be done if it's a good idea. > > And who decides whether or not it's a good idea? The interfering > country > will probably think it's an excellent idea in most cases. The > interfered-with country will probably not. It's OK if the interfering country is righteous but not if they're wrongeous. Droll Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Theists cannot be trusted as they believe that right and wrong are the arbitrary proclamations of invisible demons. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Ghostpost...synthetic biology and security
> Dan M wrote > > He has strong differences with many on this list, including > me, on a number of subjects...but that's no more accurate > than calling your position "America is always wrong". I've said it before, the list is a poorer place without people like Gautam on it. While I didn't always agree with him, his arguments were always well thought out and well explained. Some of them were good enough to (gasp) change my thoughts on certain issues. That's why I subscribed to Brin-L in the first place -- for the different views on subjects that I wasn't getting anywhere else. (I feel the same about JDG though in his case I agreed with, well, about nothing.) - jmh CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information or otherwise protected by law. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty
On Wed, 7 Nov 2007, William T Goodall wrote: > > On 7 Nov 2007, at 01:32, Dan M wrote: > >> >> >>> >>> Not about invading other countries in the name of the Lord, Allah >>> or any > >>> athropomorphic deity... >> >> Just to be clear, is it the consensus here that no country should ever >> interfere with the internal affairs of another? > > Clearly this should only be done if it's a good idea. And who decides whether or not it's a good idea? The interfering country will probably think it's an excellent idea in most cases. The interfered-with country will probably not. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Ghostpost...synthetic biology and security
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of William T Goodall > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 4:57 AM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Ghostpost...synthetic biology and security > > > On 7 Nov 2007, at 01:27, Dan M wrote: > > > What I still don't understand is why people don't want to know the > > actual > > viewpoints of folks they don't agree with. > > > > So how do you explain your propensity for straw man arguments? ?? I was responding to a post calling Gautam a shrill for a non-existent policy. I've seen that type of argument repeatedly, here and elsewhere. Where's the straw man? Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty
On 07/11/2007, at 8:18 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > > > I take it that "conservatism" has about as much > relation to being truly conservative as > "religiosity" has to actual religious belief and > how those who believe should live their lives and relate to others? Yep, that's I'd probably agree with. Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Ghostpost...synthetic biology and security
On 7 Nov 2007, at 01:27, Dan M wrote: > What I still don't understand is why people don't want to know the > actual > viewpoints of folks they don't agree with. > So how do you explain your propensity for straw man arguments? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ "There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance" - Steve Ballmer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty
On 7 Nov 2007, at 01:32, Dan M wrote: > > >> >> Not about invading other countries in the name of the Lord, Allah >> or any > >> athropomorphic deity... > > Just to be clear, is it the consensus here that no country should ever > interfere with the internal affairs of another? Clearly this should only be done if it's a good idea. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ "There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance" - Steve Ballmer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty
On 07/11/2007, at 12:32 PM, Dan M wrote: > > >> >> Not about invading other countries in the name of the Lord, Allah >> or any > >> athropomorphic deity... > > Just to be clear, is it the consensus here that no country should ever > interfere with the internal affairs of another? Yet again, a Dan Strawman. Nice. Translating disagreeing with this administration now into a generalisation across all countries ever is just lazy. But then. black and white is easier than shades of grey, isn't it. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Religiosity correlates with poverty
Dan M wrote: > > Just to be clear, is it the consensus here that no country should > ever interfere with the internal affairs of another? > Probably yes - which is another way of saying "no" :-) Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty
At 12:18 AM Tuesday 11/6/2007, Charlie Bell wrote: >Sure. Got a Temple of Pan in the back garden... Is that a darkroom where you develop B&W film? If At First You Don't Succeed Tri-X Again Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty
On 07/11/2007, at 8:24 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > > Would jesus wear a Rolex > Would Jesus wear a Rolex > On His television show-ooh-ooh? You see the face on the tv screen Coming at you every sunday See that face on the billboard That man is me On the cover of the magazine Theres no question why Im smiling You buy a piece of paradise You buy a piece of me Ill get you everything you wanted Ill get you everything you need Dont need to believe in hereafter Just believe in me Cos jesus he knows me And he knows Im right Ive been talking to jesus all my life Oh yes he knows me And he knows Im right And hes been telling me Everything is alright I believe in the family With my ever loving wife beside me But she dont know about my girlfriend Or the man I met last night Do you believe in god Cos thats what Im selling And if you wanna get to heaven Ill see you right You wont even have to leave your house Or get outta your chair You dont even have to touch that dial Cos Im everywhere And jesus he knows me And he knows Im right Ive been talking to jesus all my life Oh yes he knows me And he knows Im right Well hes been telling me Everythings gonna be alright Wont find me practising what Im preaching Wont find me making no sacrifice But I can get you a pocketful of miracles If you promise to be good, try to be nice God will take good care of you Just do as I say, dont do as I do Im counting my blessings, Ive found true happiness Cos Im getting richer, day by day You can find me in the phone book, Just call my toll free number You can do it anyway you want Just do it right away Therell be no doubt in your mind Youll believe everything Im saying If you wanna get closer to him Get on your knees and start paying Cos jesus he knows me And he knows Im right Ive been talking to jesus all my life Oh yes he knows me And he knows Im right Well hes been telling me Everythings gonna be alright, alright Jesus he knows me Jesus he knows me, you know... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty
At 12:15 AM Tuesday 11/6/2007, Charlie Bell wrote: >On 06/11/2007, at 12:51 PM, Dave Land wrote: > > > > I have called myself a Christian, but I despise the disease that > > crawls among us and advertises itself by that name. > >As Gandhi said when asked what he thought of Western Civilization: "It >would be a good idea..." and that's how I see modern religion, >especially Christianity. > > > I do not believe that Christianity is mainly > about morality. I believe that plenty of people > > over the centuries have tried to portray it as such, but the "morality" > > of Jesus was something that most self-proclaimed moralists would decry > > as bleeding-heart liberalism today. > >Yep. > > > > Make no mistake about it: Jesus would be just as unpopular with most > > people who call themselves Good Christians today as he was among > > those who called themselves Good Jews back then. > >Certainly he would be unpopular. He'd certainly not recognise his >teachings in the megachurches or the hatred of the Right as espoused >by Coulter or Falwell or whatever. And the greed and shortsightedness >of conservatism, I take it that "conservatism" has about as much relation to being truly conservative as "religiosity" has to actual religious belief and how those who believe should live their lives and relate to others? Terminology Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty
At 08:29 PM Monday 11/5/2007, jon louis mann wrote: >I have called myself a Christian, but I despise the disease that crawls >among us and advertises itself by that name. I do not believe that >Christianity is mainly about morality. I believe that plenty of people >over the centuries have tried to portray it as such, but the "morality" >of Jesus was something that most self-proclaimed moralists would decry >as bleeding-heart liberalism today. >Make no mistake about it: Jesus would be just as unpopular with most >people who call themselves Good Christians today as he was among >those who called themselves Good Jews back then. >Dave > >What would the Jesus do if he were alive today? Woke up this mornin', turned on the t.v. set. there in livin' color, was somethin' I can't forget. This man was preachin' at me, yeah, layin' on the charm askin' me for twenty, with ten-thousand on his arm. He wore designer clothes, and a big smile on his face tellin' me salvation while they sang Amazin' Grace. Askin' me for money, when he had all the signs of wealth. I almost wrote a check out, yeah, then I asked myself (chorus) Would He wear a pinky ring, would He drive a fancy car? Would His wife wear furs and diamonds, would His dressin' room have a star? If He came back tomorrow, well there's somethin' I'd like to know Could ya tell me, Would Jesus wear a Rolex on His television show? Would Jesus be political if He came back to earth? Have His second home in Palm Springs, yeah, a try to hide His worth? Take money, from those poor folks, when He comes back again, and admit He's talked to all them preachers who say they been a talkin' to Him? (chorus) Just ask ya' self, Would He wear a pinky ring, Would He drive a fancy car? Would His wife wear furs and diamonds, would His dressing room have a star? If He came back tomorrow, well there's somethin' I'd like to know: Could ya tell me, would Jesus wear a Rolex, Would jesus wear a Rolex Would Jesus wear a Rolex On His television show-ooh-ooh? Ray Stevens Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty
At 09:10 AM Tuesday 11/6/2007, William T Goodall wrote: >On 6 Nov 2007, at 14:47, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Doug wrote: > > > >> Ronn! wrote: > >> > >> > >>> So what would most folks think of someone who professed a belief in > >>> God and spent his evenings and weekends drinking and carousing? > >> > >> > >> Wouldn't that depend on what particular brand of God this person > >> believed > >> in and which particular folks were making the observation? > >> > >> Doug > > > > Yeah. I mean, wouldn't that be appropriate for a follower of > > Dionysus? > > > >Are there many megachurches of Dionysus in the USA? Aren't they called "professional sports stadiums"? Free Beer Night With Souvenir Bats To The First 1000 Fans Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Ghostpost...synthetic biology and security
At 07:27 PM Tuesday 11/6/2007, Dan M wrote: >What I still don't understand is why people don't want to know the actual >viewpoints of folks they don't agree with. 'Cuz it's so much easier than the alternative, and saves time as well? :P Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: fires, quakes and tornadoes...
At 09:48 PM Tuesday 11/6/2007, jon louis mann wrote: > > i think i will have a seismic cutoff valve installed after all > these stories. every once in a while you hear a story of a flying > cow landing in a tree, They make a seismic cutoff valve for cows? Or just the ones in the Archer Farms commercial? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
