Re: Br¡n: What's in the works?
At 12:57 PM Monday 8/25/2008, John Garcia wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Chris Frandsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember Remember 4 November! I do remember Jimmy Carter, Including his response to what happened on his watch on that date? . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br¡n: What's in the works?
At 01:03 PM Monday 8/25/2008, Olin Elliott wrote: I am not sure how Obama will support the scientific community other than getting out of the business of trying to make scientific reports match political agendas. I suspect his economic social and foreign policy initiatives to get us back on track will force science budgets to the back burner. One of the most promising things I've heard during this campaign was in a question session that Obama did with reporters after a speech somewhere in the midwest (I think). He has been a supporter of corn based fuels, and he was asked about new studies that show that the processes may not be so environmentally friendly after all. Obama's answer was, if the science shows us there's a problem, we need to change our policy. Wow. That alone is almost enough to get my support. Olin The main problem with making fuel out of food is not in the science. . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: McCain Positions
At 04:27 PM Monday 8/25/2008, John Williams wrote: I was writing about economics, not morality. But since you asked. I do not think it is fair for someone to take my money and give it to agricultural corporations. Who do you think it is fair for someone to take your money and give it to? . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: McCain Positions
At 05:16 PM Monday 8/25/2008, Olin Elliott wrote: (I'm 45, born the same week Kennedy was shot) ObSF: And the week _Doctor Who_ premiered . . . . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: McCain Positions
(I'm 45, born the same week Kennedy was shot) ObSF: And the week _Doctor Who_ premiered Thanks, Ronn. I never knew that. That's an anniversary worth celebrating. Olin - Original Message - From: Ronn! Blankenshipmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:13 AM Subject: Re: McCain Positions At 05:16 PM Monday 8/25/2008, Olin Elliott wrote: (I'm 45, born the same week Kennedy was shot) ObSF: And the week _Doctor Who_ premiered . . . . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-lhttp://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br¡n: What's in the works?
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:02 AM, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:57 PM Monday 8/25/2008, John Garcia wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Chris Frandsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember Remember 4 November! I do remember Jimmy Carter, Including his response to what happened on his watch on that date? . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l Which response? The immediate or six months later? BTW, I was standing on the flight deck of USS Eisenhower on 11/4/79. john ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: McCain Positions
From: Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who do you think it is fair for someone to take your money and give it to? An efficient justice system, including courts and police. Road and bridge builders are okay. Military engaged in defending (in a narrow definition of defend) the country. Individuals with very low or no income. Surely not a corporation. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: McCain Positions
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 05:16 PM Monday 8/25/2008, Olin Elliott wrote: (I'm 45, born the same week Kennedy was shot) ObSF: And the week _Doctor Who_ premiered . . . And the week C. S. Lewis died. Heck, he died on the *day* Kennedy was shot. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: McCain Positions
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 05:16 PM Monday 8/25/2008, Olin Elliott wrote: (I'm 45, born the same week Kennedy was shot) ObSF: And the week _Doctor Who_ premiered . . . And the week C. S. Lewis died. Heck, he died on the *day* Kennedy was shot. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l Aldous Huxley and don't forget JD Tippit john (who 45 years later still remembers where he was when he heard the news) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Vernor Vinge in the New York Times
There's an interesting interview/review of Rainbow's End in the NY Times today. Olin http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/26/science/26tier.html?scp=1sq=technology%20that%20outthinks%20usst=csehttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/26/science/26tier.html?scp=1sq=technology%20that%20outthinks%20usst=cse - Original Message - From: Julia Thompsonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: Re: McCain Positions On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 05:16 PM Monday 8/25/2008, Olin Elliott wrote: (I'm 45, born the same week Kennedy was shot) ObSF: And the week _Doctor Who_ premiered . . . And the week C. S. Lewis died. Heck, he died on the *day* Kennedy was shot. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-lhttp://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: What's in the works?
On 8/26/08, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then there was the episode of _Quantum Leap_ where originally both (JFK and Jackie) were killed. From a distance of about 16 years, I remember that episode as much more intense than most episodes of that show. -- Mauro Diotallevi The number you have dialed is imaginary. Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Conspiracy theories
The vital thing about that show was that it was the only piece of mass media I ever saw that had the guts to fight back against dismal conspiracy theories. ONLY in that episode do you learn that LH Oswald was an expert Marine marksman, that he had stalked an American general and very likely worked for the Soviet KGB. Two nights ago we saw an Australian documentary that set up torsoes of ballistics gell and ribs and fired into them from the right angle, proving that the magic bullet could easily have passed through Kennedy and Connoly, exactly as claimed. What I don't get about conspiracy theories is that people flock to the wrong ones! The 9/11 loose change thing was monstrously - almost cartoony - stupid. And yet, nobody will look at the Bush Administration and see the blatantly obvious... ...that their relentless destruction of American strength and influence in the world could be easily explained by blackmail and bribery... if one hostile foreign power had pictures of one man with a donkey. Then there was the episode of _Quantum Leap_ where originally both (JFK and Jackie) were killed. From a distance of about 16 years, I remember that episode as much more intense than most episodes of that show. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Sore losers
So why are the Americans counting total medals instead of golds for the olympics? And why the innuendo about Usain Bolt as long as he's clean? And the manufactured fuss about miming during the opening ceremony when everybody does it during these kind of events (the Australians admitted they did it at Sydney). And the 'not real sports' jibes about table tennis, rhythmic gymnastics and others? Beach Volleyball Rules Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Theists cannot be trusted as they believe that right and wrong are the arbitrary proclamations of invisible demons. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Sore losers
So why are the Americans counting total medals instead of golds for the Olympics? And why the innuendo about Usain Bolt as long as he's clean? And the manufactured fuss about miming during the opening ceremony when everybody does it during these kind of events (the Australians admitted they did it at Sydney). And the 'not real sports' jibes about table tennis, rhythmic gymnastics and others? Beach Volleyball Rules Maru William T Goodall Because if you assign 3 points for gold, 2 for silver and 1 point for bronze, then the crybaby yanks lost to china, and that is unacceptable to the American chauvinist, patriotic, jingoist, dogmatic, nationalistic media. Americans can not accept that they are on their way down, and no longer first in everything. They whine because they can't prove the Chinese gymnists lied about their age. Who cares what age they are; that is an arbitrary rule that should be eliminated. I bow down to the Chinese volleyball girls, and all the other champions that dominated this Olympics. If it wasn't for Phelps (aided by American society's peculiar syndrome of ADHD) America would have done even more poorly. Jon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Sore losers
On Aug 26, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: Americans can not accept that they are on their way down, and no longer first in everything. Some might not be able to. Some of us have been saying so for years. -- Warren Ockrassa Blog | http://indigestible.nightwares.com/ Books | http://books.nightwares.com/ Web | http://www.nightwares.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Sore losers
Because if you assign 3 points for gold, 2 for silver and 1 point for bronze, then the crybaby yanks lost to china, and that is unacceptable to the American chauvinist, patriotic, jingoist, dogmatic, nationalistic media. Americans can not accept that they are on their way down, and no longer first in everything. They whine because they can't prove the Chinese gymnists lied about their age. Who cares what age they are; that is an arbitrary rule that should be eliminated. I bow down to the Chinese volleyball girls, and all the other champions that dominated this Olympics. If it wasn't for Phelps (aided by American society's peculiar syndrome of ADHD) America would have done even more poorly. Jon I was going to respond to this in detail, but decided not to. I just wonder, if William has posted something with the same tone about a religious group, how many people would be all over him right now. The irony is, that I probably agree with some of what you're saying, but as an American I find the tone offensive. - Original Message - From: Jon Louis Mannmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: Sore losers So why are the Americans counting total medals instead of golds for the Olympics? And why the innuendo about Usain Bolt as long as he's clean? And the manufactured fuss about miming during the opening ceremony when everybody does it during these kind of events (the Australians admitted they did it at Sydney). And the 'not real sports' jibes about table tennis, rhythmic gymnastics and others? Beach Volleyball Rules Maru William T Goodall Because if you assign 3 points for gold, 2 for silver and 1 point for bronze, then the crybaby yanks lost to china, and that is unacceptable to the American chauvinist, patriotic, jingoist, dogmatic, nationalistic media. Americans can not accept that they are on their way down, and no longer first in everything. They whine because they can't prove the Chinese gymnists lied about their age. Who cares what age they are; that is an arbitrary rule that should be eliminated. I bow down to the Chinese volleyball girls, and all the other champions that dominated this Olympics. If it wasn't for Phelps (aided by American society's peculiar syndrome of ADHD) America would have done even more poorly. Jon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-lhttp://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Sore losers
On 8/26/2008 9:27:15 PM, Jon Louis Mann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Because if you assign 3 points for gold, 2 for silver and 1 point for bronze, then the crybaby yanks lost to china, and that is unacceptable to the American chauvinist, patriotic, jingoist, dogmatic, nationalistic media. Americans can not accept that they are on their way down, and no longer first in everything. You have a weird perspective. It isn't that America is moving down, it is that so many are moving up into our realm. And yes there are many who see this and react with paranoid insecurity, but they do not make up anything like a majority. Most people really don't care all that much, evidenced by the lack of violent protest over the items in your next paragraph. Most people are proud we did well, enjoyed the games while they lasted, and will remember only some highlights a few years down the road. You shouldn't pay so much attention to the loudmouths, they are not representative. They whine because they can't prove the Chinese gymnists lied about their age. Who cares what age they are; that is an arbitrary rule that should be eliminated. I bow down to the Chinese volleyball girls, and all the other champions that dominated this Olympics. If it wasn't for Phelps (aided by American society's peculiar syndrome of ADHD) America would have done even more poorly. Jon xponent Phelps Was Awesome Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Sore losers
On 8/26/2008 11:42:10 PM, Olin Elliott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Because if you assign 3 points for gold, 2 for silver and 1 point for bronze, then the crybaby yanks lost to china, and that is unacceptable to the American chauvinist, patriotic, jingoist, dogmatic, nationalistic media. Americans can not accept that they are on their way down, and no longer first in everything. They whine because they can't prove the Chinese gymnists lied about their age. Who cares what age they are; that is an arbitrary rule that should be eliminated. I bow down to the Chinese volleyball girls, and all the other champions that dominated this Olympics. If it wasn't for Phelps (aided by American society's peculiar syndrome of ADHD) America would have done even more poorly. Jon I was going to respond to this in detail, but decided not to. I just wonder, if William has posted something with the same tone about a religious group, how many people would be all over him right now. The irony is, that I probably agree with some of what you're saying, but as an American I find the tone offensive. Jon is vying to be the Liberals Hate America posterboy. G xponent Humor Should Reflect Reality Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Sore losers
On Aug 26, 2008, at 9:49 PM, Rceeberger wrote: You have a weird perspective. It isn't that America is moving down, it is that so many are moving up into our realm. Beg to differ. In the last three or so decades we've seen a rise in disparagement of education,* particularly in the sciences, a loss of critical thinking ability in the general population, and a trend toward becoming a service-based economy. This doesn't strike me as evidence that the US is holding its own; the sense to me is one of an empire in decline. * When intellectuals are called elitists, for instance, I disbelieve that things bode well. -- Warren Ockrassa Blog | http://indigestible.nightwares.com/ Books | http://books.nightwares.com/ Web | http://www.nightwares.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Sore losers
Jon wrote: They whine because they can't prove the Chinese gymnists lied about their age. Who cares what age they are; that is an arbitrary rule that should be eliminated. I could be wrong, but doesn't the rule have something to do with the adverse effect of the extreme amount of stress on a young, developing body? If the rule was arbitrary, why don't they have it for other sports? In any case, who are the Chinese (or any one else) to decide that the rules are OK to break if they think that they are arbitrary? Also, I could be wrong but I seem to remember that when you and I were younger Jon, the U.S. got fewer medals in the Olympics than both the Soviets _and_ the East Germans, so I'm not sure how we're going down by getting the second most Gold medals. By the way, I thought the Olympics were great and I watched as much as I had time for. The Chinese did a great job. One more thing. Did it occur to anyone else that Bush probably couldn't have gone to a basketball game or a Volleyball game any where else in the world including the U.S.? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
