Re: 'Heroes': Five Ways to Fix a Series In Crisis

2008-10-25 Thread Richard Baker
Rob said:

 Last I knew, Heroes was tracking within a week of original views  
 here to
 over there. (As best I recall)

I miss the days when we got Battlestar Galactica a long time ahead of  
the US. I was somewhat amused by the fury I heard expressed in some  
parts of the internet about that, as if it were against all the laws  
of God and Man. Of course, it was co-funded by a UK television company  
so...

Rich
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Re: 'Heroes': Five Ways to Fix a Series In Crisis

2008-10-25 Thread Charlie Bell

On 25/10/2008, at 8:10 PM, Richard Baker wrote:

 Rob said:

 Last I knew, Heroes was tracking within a week of original views
 here to
 over there. (As best I recall)

 I miss the days when we got Battlestar Galactica a long time ahead of
 the US. I was somewhat amused by the fury I heard expressed in some
 parts of the internet about that, as if it were against all the laws
 of God and Man. Of course, it was co-funded by a UK television company
 so...

Babylon 5 too - we got the last few episodes of each season before the  
US.

C.
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Re: Scotch Tape, Black Holes Supercollider's

2008-10-25 Thread Bruce Bostwick

On Oct 24, 2008, at 10:13 PM, Gary Nunn wrote:

Gheeze, who knew (well apparently the Russians 50 years ago). I'm  
guessing
that environmental groups will start petitioning the court to outlaw  
the use

of scotch tape in a vacuum in case it creates a black hole that will
instantly swallow the earth

X-Rays Detected From Scotch Tape

Scotch tape. It turns out that if you peel the popular adhesive tape  
off its
roll in a vacuum chamber, it emits X-rays. The researchers even made  
an

X-ray image of one of their fingers.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=6088719


Wouldn't have expected triboluminescence to emit anything that  
energetic .. I've seen bluish light from a roll of tape in a darkened  
room, but never suspected it went up to such short wavelengths.  (I  
wonder if wintergreen candy emits anything that hard..)


I'm guessing this is the publication (or a similar one) in Nature:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7216/abs/nature07378.html?lang=en


Letter
Nature 455, 1089-1092 (23 October 2008) | doi:10.1038/nature07378;  
Received 30 December 2007; Accepted 27 August 2008



Correlation between nanosecond X-ray flashes and stick–slip friction  
in peeling tape
Carlos G. Camara1,2, Juan V. Escobar1,2, Jonathan R. Hird1  Seth J.  
Putterman1


	•  Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of California,  
Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California 90095, USA

•  These authors contributed equally to this work.
Correspondence to: Carlos G. Camara1,2Juan V. Escobar1,2  
Correspondence and requests for materials should be addressed to  
C.C. (Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) or J.E. (Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
).



Topof page
Relative motion between two contacting surfaces can produce visible  
light, called triboluminescence1. This concentration of diffuse  
mechanical energy into electromagnetic radiation has previously been  
observed to extend even to X-ray energies2. Here we report that  
peeling common adhesive tape in a moderate vacuum produces radio and  
visible emission3, 4, along with nanosecond, 100-mW X-ray pulses  
that are correlated with stick–slip peeling events. For the observed  
15-keV peak in X-ray energy, various models5, 6 give a competing  
picture of the discharge process, with the length of the gap between  
the separating faces of the tape being 30 or 300 m at the moment of emission. The intensity of X-ray  
triboluminescence allowed us to use it as a source for X-ray  
imaging. The limits on energies and flash widths that can be  
achieved are beyond current theories of tribology.
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Re: Racial and Gender bigotry

2008-10-25 Thread Nick Arnett
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 6:05 AM, John Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I completely agree with you Julia. The more that I think about it, and the
 more that I see in the world, indicates to me that Who You Know edges out
 What You Know. This is nothing new, which is shown by the fact that the
 phrase It's now what you know, but who you know exists. The 'old boy'
 network exists, and I don't know what to do about it.


I think that is the basis for one rational argument for being proactive
about appointing minorities to positions of power.  Given the
non-merit-based obstacles to breaking in from the bottom, so to speak, help
people break in from the top.

Nick
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New Creationist Ploy

2008-10-25 Thread William T Goodall
http://tinyurl.com/6o9w33


Creationists declare war over the brain
• 22 October 2008
• From New Scientist Print Edition. Subscribe and get 4 free issues.
• Amanda Gefter
YOU cannot overestimate, thundered psychiatrist Jeffrey Schwartz,  
how threatened the scientific establishment is by the fact that it  
now looks like the materialist paradigm is genuinely breaking down.  
You're gonna hear a lot in the next calendar year about... how  
Darwin's explanation of how human intelligence arose is the only  
scientific way of doing it... I'm asking us as a world community to go  
out there and tell the scientific establishment, enough is enough!  
Materialism needs to start fading away and non-materialist causation  
needs to be understood as part of natural reality.

His enthusiasm was met with much applause from the audience gathered  
at the UN's east Manhattan conference hall on 11 September for an  
international symposium called Beyond the Mind-Body Problem: New  
Paradigms in the Science of Consciousness. Earlier Mario Beauregard, a  
researcher in neuroscience at the University of Montreal, Canada, and  
co-author of The Spiritual Brain: A neuroscientist's case for the  
existence of the soul, told the audience that the battle between  
maverick scientists like himself and those who believe the mind is  
what the brain does is a cultural war.

Schwartz and Beauregard are part of a growing non-material  
neuroscience movement. They are attempting to resurrect Cartesian  
dualism - the idea that brain and mind are two fundamentally different  
kinds of things, material and immaterial - in the hope that it will  
make room in science both for supernatural forces and for a soul. The  
two have signed the Scientific dissent from Darwinism petition,  
spearheaded by the Seattle-basedDiscovery Institute, headquarters of  
the intelligent design movement. ID argues that biological life is too  
complex to have arisen through evolution.

Old hats Maru

-- 
William T Goodall
Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web  : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/

“Babies are born every day without an iPod. We will get there.” - Adam  
Sohn, the head of public relations for Microsoft's Zune division.

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Re: New Creationist Ploy

2008-10-25 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Oct 25, 2008, at 1:25 PM, William T Goodall wrote:

 http://tinyurl.com/6o9w33


 Creationists declare war over the brain
   • 22 October 2008
   • From New Scientist Print Edition. Subscribe and get 4 free issues.
   • Amanda Gefter
 YOU cannot overestimate, thundered psychiatrist Jeffrey Schwartz,
 how threatened the scientific establishment is by the fact that it
 now looks like the materialist paradigm is genuinely breaking down.
 You're gonna hear a lot in the next calendar year about... how
 Darwin's explanation of how human intelligence arose is the only
 scientific way of doing it... I'm asking us as a world community to go
 out there and tell the scientific establishment, enough is enough!
 Materialism needs to start fading away and non-materialist causation
 needs to be understood as part of natural reality.

 His enthusiasm was met with much applause from the audience gathered
 at the UN's east Manhattan conference hall on 11 September for an
 international symposium called Beyond the Mind-Body Problem: New
 Paradigms in the Science of Consciousness. Earlier Mario Beauregard, a
 researcher in neuroscience at the University of Montreal, Canada, and
 co-author of The Spiritual Brain: A neuroscientist's case for the
 existence of the soul, told the audience that the battle between
 maverick scientists like himself and those who believe the mind is
 what the brain does is a cultural war.

 Schwartz and Beauregard are part of a growing non-material
 neuroscience movement. They are attempting to resurrect Cartesian
 dualism - the idea that brain and mind are two fundamentally different
 kinds of things, material and immaterial - in the hope that it will
 make room in science both for supernatural forces and for a soul. The
 two have signed the Scientific dissent from Darwinism petition,
 spearheaded by the Seattle-basedDiscovery Institute, headquarters of
 the intelligent design movement. ID argues that biological life is too
 complex to have arisen through evolution.

 Old hats Maru

Kind of a non-issue for me on the creation/evolution debate (to the  
extent that the creationists believe there is a debate  :D ) since to  
me, the existence or non-existence of a soul does not by itself prove  
or disprove the entire remainder of the creationist assertion that all  
life was directly created by their God-image.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that the I that perceives is a  
purely physical phenomenon, and I'm much more convinced that there is  
indeed some form of mind/body duality and something analogous to a  
soul.  Awareness and cognition seem to me to argue in favor of that  
interpretation. What that soul consists of, and how it functions, and  
whether it survives after physical death, etc. etc. are mostly in the  
realm of religion, but to me, mind/body duality seems to be less  
firmly decided (or at least the significance of awareness and  
cognition seem to me to be grossly underestimated in the debate) than  
other aspects of human biology -- it's often discounted as fringe  
science and denigrated as a back door to creationism, but to me it  
seems to deserve taking a bit more seriously.  Strictly my $.02, and  
admittedly, not really a scientific position as it is non- 
disprovable and irreproducible on some levels, but I don't consider it  
entirely ruled out.


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Re: New Creationist Ploy

2008-10-25 Thread Julia Thompson



On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, William T Goodall wrote:


http://tinyurl.com/6o9w33


Creationists declare war over the brain
• 22 October 2008
• From New Scientist Print Edition. Subscribe and get 4 free issues.
  
Sweet.  I've used the universal wishlist button to add this to my amazon 
wishlist, maybe someone will see fit to give it to me.  (At least my 
husband will be aware that I want it.)


Julia
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RE: Racial and Gender bigotry

2008-10-25 Thread Ray Maree Ludenia
 On Behalf Of Jon Louis Mann


 Subject: Racial and Gender bigotry
 Welcome to the list and to America, Maree!  I have travelled
 extensively in AUS and New Zed and would be curious to hear how
 different racial and gender bias is in America, compared to down under,
 and how it is dealt with in your educational system, and in families?
 
 American television is being exported all over the world, but not Fox
 News Network, yet... (although Rupert Murdouch is now an American
 citizen, I believe.~) We do have many television programs that do
 promote tolerance and sensitivity, many of which are spinoffs from
 European programs.
 
 If you pass by Santa Monica, CA in your travels please contact me.
 Jon Mann
 (310) 664-3712


Hi Jon and thank you for your kind words. 
Australians are as xenophobic as Americans in a generalist sense. It was
only with the recent change in government that an apology for the treatment
of our Aboriginal people was being formulated. The apology may have been
made by now, but if that is the case I missed out on hearing about it over
here. 
Although education is an essential part of the solution to the problem,
there needs to be a broader response for this to work. This should IMHO
include carefully monitored affirmative action programs. Positive role
models in various positions in media also help mitigate bias. Community
education projects can also help. Churches, and other institutions for
social control and organisation, can have a great effect. We could also use
are more activists like Mahatma Ghandi or Martin Luther King. I am sure
there are many other approaches that will work as well. 

My comment about broadening the solution came from my experience as a
secondary school teacher. Over the years, whenever there is a societal
problem the call goes out Get the schools to deal with it. Schools are
instruments of social control and can be quite effective in that role.
However, the more social programs foisted on schools the less time they have
to devote to teaching thinking, researching, arguing, reading, writing,
mathematics, science, history, geography and all the other important
subjects that an educated person needs to know to effectively function in
our society. It is a difficult job getting the balance correct and one that
schools at home do amazingly well. I know so little about the system here in
the US that I would not like to comment on how well things work here. 
 
Of course between you and me we can solve all the world's problems ;-).
Regards,
Maree Ludenia

PS We are currently in Redding CA and moving south - Yosemite calls before
it gets too cold. We may end up in the Santa Monica area and if we do I
would love to catch up with you. ML

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Re: New Creationist Ploy

2008-10-25 Thread Olin Elliott
Personally, I find it hard to believe that the I that perceives is a  
purely physical phenomenon, and I'm much more convinced that there is  
indeed some form of mind/body duality and something analogous to a  
soul.  

The I that perceives is not anything -- its an illusion, a trick of 
perception and memory. It doesn't exist -- there is not fixed self.  Buddha 
knews that 2500 years ago, and modern science is showing him right.  

Olin
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bruce Bostwickmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:04 PM
  Subject: Re: New Creationist Ploy


  On Oct 25, 2008, at 1:25 PM, William T Goodall wrote:

   http://tinyurl.com/6o9w33http://tinyurl.com/6o9w33
  
  
   Creationists declare war over the brain
   • 22 October 2008
   • From New Scientist Print Edition. Subscribe and get 4 free issues.
   • Amanda Gefter
   YOU cannot overestimate, thundered psychiatrist Jeffrey Schwartz,
   how threatened the scientific establishment is by the fact that it
   now looks like the materialist paradigm is genuinely breaking down.
   You're gonna hear a lot in the next calendar year about... how
   Darwin's explanation of how human intelligence arose is the only
   scientific way of doing it... I'm asking us as a world community to go
   out there and tell the scientific establishment, enough is enough!
   Materialism needs to start fading away and non-materialist causation
   needs to be understood as part of natural reality.
  
   His enthusiasm was met with much applause from the audience gathered
   at the UN's east Manhattan conference hall on 11 September for an
   international symposium called Beyond the Mind-Body Problem: New
   Paradigms in the Science of Consciousness. Earlier Mario Beauregard, a
   researcher in neuroscience at the University of Montreal, Canada, and
   co-author of The Spiritual Brain: A neuroscientist's case for the
   existence of the soul, told the audience that the battle between
   maverick scientists like himself and those who believe the mind is
   what the brain does is a cultural war.
  
   Schwartz and Beauregard are part of a growing non-material
   neuroscience movement. They are attempting to resurrect Cartesian
   dualism - the idea that brain and mind are two fundamentally different
   kinds of things, material and immaterial - in the hope that it will
   make room in science both for supernatural forces and for a soul. The
   two have signed the Scientific dissent from Darwinism petition,
   spearheaded by the Seattle-basedDiscovery Institute, headquarters of
   the intelligent design movement. ID argues that biological life is too
   complex to have arisen through evolution.
  
   Old hats Maru

  Kind of a non-issue for me on the creation/evolution debate (to the  
  extent that the creationists believe there is a debate  :D ) since to  
  me, the existence or non-existence of a soul does not by itself prove  
  or disprove the entire remainder of the creationist assertion that all  
  life was directly created by their God-image.

  Personally, I find it hard to believe that the I that perceives is a  
  purely physical phenomenon, and I'm much more convinced that there is  
  indeed some form of mind/body duality and something analogous to a  
  soul.  Awareness and cognition seem to me to argue in favor of that  
  interpretation. What that soul consists of, and how it functions, and  
  whether it survives after physical death, etc. etc. are mostly in the  
  realm of religion, but to me, mind/body duality seems to be less  
  firmly decided (or at least the significance of awareness and  
  cognition seem to me to be grossly underestimated in the debate) than  
  other aspects of human biology -- it's often discounted as fringe  
  science and denigrated as a back door to creationism, but to me it  
  seems to deserve taking a bit more seriously.  Strictly my $.02, and  
  admittedly, not really a scientific position as it is non- 
  disprovable and irreproducible on some levels, but I don't consider it  
  entirely ruled out.


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Undecided

2008-10-25 Thread Nick Arnett
Here's a bit of David Sedaris from this week's New Yorker... as he often
does, he made me laugh out loud.

To put them [the undecided voters] in perspective, I think of being on an
airplane.  The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and,
eventually, parks it beside my seat.  Can I interest you in the chicken?
she asks.  Or would you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broken
glass in it?

To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how
the chicken is cooked.

Nick
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Re: New Creationist Ploy

2008-10-25 Thread Wayne Eddy

- Original Message - 
From: Olin Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: New Creationist Ploy


The I that perceives is not anything -- its an illusion, a trick of 
perception and memory. It doesn't exist -- there is not fixed self. 
Buddha knews that 2500 years ago, ?and modern science is showing him 
right.

Hi Olin,

Surely the I that perceives is something.  Just because it can't exist 
outside a brain,  doesn't mean it isn't real.

If matter couldn't exist outside this universe, would that mean that matter 
is an illusion?

Software can't run outside a computer, does that mean it's not real?

What exactly does real mean?

Regards,

Wayne.


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Re: New Creationist Ploy

2008-10-25 Thread Olin Elliott
Surely the I that perceives is something.  Just because it can't exist 
outside a brain,  doesn't mean it isn't real.


Its real in the same way that a whirlpool is real -- it has a form and appears 
to be a thing even though the matter in it changes every second.  It's a 
temporary pattern with no fixed or permanent substance.  It's probably the 
result of a feedback loop -- all creatures, even single celled ones, can to 
some extent recognise patterns in their environment.  At some level of 
development sufficiently complex creatures begin to turn that pattern 
recognition ability on themselves -- they can recognize patterns in their own 
behavior. Its what makes higher learning possible.  But that also means that 
you're feeding the output of the system back into the system.  That, I think, 
is a very simple description of what we call conciousness.  It doesn't require 
anyting mystical or immaterial to explain it.  To re-introduce those things is 
simply to try to hang on to some illusion that there is something special about 
us -- that we are somehow transcendet of the material universe.  We're no
 t.  We're matter arranged in very compelx patterns that were themselves the 
product of evolution. 

Real, in the context of science, means that it has consequences.  If you 
posit the existence of some immaterial thing -- call it soul or whatever -- 
then you have to say, these are the consequences we can expect if this thing 
exists and this is how -- at least in principle -- we can test those 
consequence.  A real scientific theory has to be falsifiable.  There has to be 
some evidence that, if it were found, would disprove the idea.  And the problem 
with non-material, invisible, undetectable soul stuff is that no matter what we 
find out about the brain, the believer will just say that we haven't learned to 
detect it yet.  But the real clincher is that we don't need it.  It's not 
necessary to explain conciousness or anthying else about humans -- its only 
necessary to make us feel special, like believing we were the center of the 
universe made us feel special.  
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  Subject: Re: New Creationist Ploy



  - Original Message - 
  From: Olin Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion 
brin-l@mccmedia.commailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com
  Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:54 AM
  Subject: Re: New Creationist Ploy


  The I that perceives is not anything -- its an illusion, a trick of 
  perception and memory. It doesn't exist -- there is not fixed self. 
  Buddha knews that 2500 years ago, ?and modern science is showing him 
  right.

  Hi Olin,

  Surely the I that perceives is something.  Just because it can't exist 
  outside a brain,  doesn't mean it isn't real.

  If matter couldn't exist outside this universe, would that mean that matter 
  is an illusion?

  Software can't run outside a computer, does that mean it's not real?

  What exactly does real mean?

  Regards,

  Wayne.


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