Google Wave

2009-10-17 Thread Wayne Eddy
Hi all,

Nick  Lance have both turned up in my Wave contacts list, so I guess that
means they both got their invitations OK. Can't see Dave there yet though.

I have started a discussion here  added Nick  Lance to it.
https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252B06VwwaASC

I tried searching for sen...@iicx.net, but the search only appears to work
for x...@googlewave.com, I tried sen...@googlewave.com,  but got no hits.

My wave address is darkenf...@googlewave.com if anyone wants to find the
conversation that way.

Sorry, to the others who would have liked an invite.  I have only got two
left, and I am saving them for the moment, perhaps Nick or Lance might have
one to spare.

I'm still getting the hang of Wave.  I think it has got definite potential,
but I'm not sure that it is going to be a game changer.

Regards,

Wayne (from a new e-mail address) Eddy
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Brin: Life after people - The Invaders

2009-10-17 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
A great episode!!!

Tool-using dolphins, self-uplifing chimpanzees, dolphins that remember humans 
as Gods in the Golden Age.

What's next? Whales, Gorillas or AIs?

Alberto Monteiro

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RE: Cloud Computing Smears (Was: Google Wave)

2009-10-17 Thread Julia Thompson
Er.  In that sort of a situation, I myself would set up a RAID for storing
the data, *much* less chance for losing it.  I'd just do that anyway.  In
fact, the computer that's still in a box and is destined to replace the one
I'm using right now has a RAID, because I seem to have a knack for
catastrophically losing hard drives that baffles my husband entirely.  (He
has more problems with his PDAs than I do, so I guess there's *some* sort of
balance)  I think I've lost 2 or 3 in the past 6 years, and any data
that wasn't backed up, which is kind of rough for an information junkie.
For *that* sort of application, I'd go with a decent number of disks in the
array for any one set of data.

My own problem with cloud computing is, if the magical set of wires between
me and my data has a glitch, I can't get to my data, and we end up with
Grumpy Julia, which is not pleasant for anyone directly involved.

(Jo Anne -- a RAID is a Redundant Array of Independent Disks, where the data
is stored on multiple disks and checked for accuracy on some regular basis.
If one drive goes down, either the data should be duplicated somewhere, or
there should be enough information stored on another disk or disks to
reconstruct what was lost.  Off-site backup is still recommended for things
like fire, floods and tornadoes, and don't anyone laugh about the tornadoes,
m'kay?)

Julia


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Re: Cloud Computing Smears (Was: Google Wave)

2009-10-17 Thread John Williams
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Julia Thompson f...@zurg.net wrote:
 Er.  In that sort of a situation, I myself would set up a RAID for storing
 the data, *much* less chance for losing it.

RAID does not protect from rm -rf / , which (some variant of) is my
guess at what happened. Although now they are saying most of the data
is recovered, so maybe it got munged in a reversible way.

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Re: Cloud Computing Smears (Was: Google Wave)

2009-10-17 Thread Max Battcher

On 10/18/2009 0:38, John Williams wrote:

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Julia Thompsonf...@zurg.net  wrote:

Er.  In that sort of a situation, I myself would set up a RAID for storing
the data, *much* less chance for losing it.


RAID does not protect from rm -rf / , which (some variant of) is my
guess at what happened. Although now they are saying most of the data
is recovered, so maybe it got munged in a reversible way.


Any cloud service at this point is going to be tens, if not hundreds, 
of servers. (Major services easily run in the thousands of servers, and 
if you count virtual servers the biggest services are using millions 
of servers already.) At this point any outage that is going to affect a 
service as whole is generally going to be a lot subtler (and possibly a 
lot nastier, such an accidental viral infection due to an underlying 
bug/exploit in the service) than a rm -rf /.


At least, assuming the system admins are doing their jobs correctly rm 
-rf / to a single server is extremely unlikely to cause massive outage 
or damage... (As a service gets large enough hard drives are expected to 
fail randomly, and surprisingly frequently, and services should be 
designed around that problem...)


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--Max Battcher--
http://worldmaker.net

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Re: Brin: Life after people - The Invaders

2009-10-17 Thread David Brin
Thanks.  Lots of fun.

Thrive on!

With best wishes, for a confident and ambitious 21st Century,

David Brin
www.davidbrin.com






From: Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro albm...@centroin.com.br
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
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Subject: Brin: Life after people - The Invaders

A great episode!!!

Tool-using dolphins, self-uplifing chimpanzees, dolphins that remember humans 
as Gods in the Golden Age.

What's next? Whales, Gorillas or AIs?

Alberto Monteiro

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