Re: Brin: Re: is Brin-l active?
David Brin asked: Let me know how I can help! You must tell us how far can we go - and how far we can't go :-) Obviously, copy-and-pasting huge pieces of the books is totally out of line. Obviously, giving a small resume of the books is totally in line. Hell lies in the details: could we place resumes of the character's lifes? Could we place description of the places, ships, races, concepts, etc? See, for example, what motivated this thread: the pages in wikipedia that were marked for deletion by a wikipedia troll (or should I say a wikipedia Tandu?): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Hph-wayuo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uplift_Universe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gubru http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaver http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthclan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tymbrimi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jophur http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G'Kek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaker_(David_Brin) (possibly other pages) Are these pages too much or too little? Alberto Monteiro ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Brin Wiki and trolls
I don't understand turning the Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia into a wiki format or what's a Brin Wiki, but I am all for doing anything to block trolls from remove any of Dr. Brin's contributions to the SF lexicon. I wonder why is someone running a seek-and-destroy against Brin; who is the troll and why target David? I have never been able to understand this troll phenomenon. I don't follow the references to fan fic and whether it should not be included in a Brin Wiki. I am in favor of cooperation and forgiving the past, especially since I won't have a clue what is to forgive? I agree that everything seems much more relaxed than the last time I gafiated from the list. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Honey, I'm home!
Hi all! It's been a while, but one of the most famous (or most notorious) list members from Brin-L's past has come home. I'm back. Matt Lundstrom has forwarded me several messages about the Brin Wiki (or whatever it will be called). It sounds like a helluva interesting project (and a helluva lot of work!), I hope I will be able to contribute to it. He also forwarded me a bunch of messages about my possible return; nice to see that people still remember me after all those years. Then again, I seem to make a lasting impression on almost anyone who meets me, both online and in the Real World. As for the question of that impression being a good or a bad one, well er. I won't go into that. GRIN So, did I miss anything while I was away? Jeroen Blast From The Past van Baardwijk ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Brin Wiki and trolls
Jon Louis Mann wrote: I don't understand turning the Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia into a wiki format or what's a Brin Wiki, but I am all for doing anything to block trolls from remove any of Dr. Brin's contributions to the SF lexicon. Jon-- Hi. I guess the conversation got a bit involved there. The troll wants to remove some free-standing articles from Wikipedia. Notably those on Alvin (the young Hoon on Jijo) and on the Streaker. My sense is that this is a philosophical thing to him--he's in the Deletionist camp on Wikipedia, who want to limit the number of articles on non-notable topics. (He also questions articles on minor academic journals, people I've never heard of, and so on.) Whether or not the Alvin and Streaker articles stay, our sense was that it would be easier to build an extensive Wiki without the contributions of people like him. Hence the plan to set something up apart from Wikipedia. ---David ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
The worst
My friends I hate to write this. Been putting it off for a while. My younger sister, Lesley, the youngest of the four of us, mother of my five-year-old niece, Sarah, could not fight off the sepsis that attacked her body. Lesley died this morning. I have never hurt so much. Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
RE: The worst
From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of Nick Arnett Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:48 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: The worst My friends I hate to write this. Been putting it off for a while. My younger sister, Lesley, the youngest of the four of us, mother of my five-year-old niece, Sarah, could not fight off the sepsis that attacked her body. Lesley died this morning. I have never hurt so much. Nick My most heartfelt condolences to you, Nick. Julia ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
RE: The worst
I am dreadfully sorry to hear this. Deepest sympathies, and may things go as well as they can for your niece as well. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:47:41 -0800 Subject: The worst From: nick.arn...@gmail.com To: brin-l@mccmedia.com My friends I hate to write this. Been putting it off for a while. My younger sister, Lesley, the youngest of the four of us, mother of my five-year-old niece, Sarah, could not fight off the sepsis that attacked her body. Lesley died this morning. I have never hurt so much. Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: The worst
Nick said: My friends I hate to write this. Been putting it off for a while. My younger sister, Lesley, the youngest of the four of us, mother of my five-year-old niece, Sarah, could not fight off the sepsis that attacked her body. Lesley died this morning. I have never hurt so much. Nick I'm so sorry to hear that, Nick. Rich ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: The worst
Nick Arnett wrote: My friends I hate to write this. Been putting it off for a while. My younger sister, Lesley, the youngest of the four of us, mother of my five-year-old niece, Sarah, could not fight off the sepsis that attacked her body. Lesley died this morning. I have never hurt so much. Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com That is really sad. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: The worst
On 05/01/2010, at 8:47 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: My friends I hate to write this. Been putting it off for a while. My younger sister, Lesley, the youngest of the four of us, mother of my five-year-old niece, Sarah, could not fight off the sepsis that attacked her body. Lesley died this morning. I have never hurt so much. So sorry for your loss. I hope you can gain some solace from your family and friends, including us. Charlie. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Foswiki content guidelines.
Alberto Monteiro wrote: David Brin asked: Let me know how I can help! You must tell us how far can we go - and how far we can't go :-) Here are the guidelines so far -- and they aren't consensus guidelines, they are still just guidelines Trent made up. You have to write from an external point of view. It's not fair writing from a point of view inside the author's universe, that is fan fiction. You have to write about fiction. You cannot write fiction. No fan fiction, fan world extending, original fiction, or original world building. The following are definitely in. Summaries. Plot Synopses. Original Reviews. Literary Criticism. And LOTS of trivia We will see how reviews and criticism work out on a wiki, I can see them being productive mostly of edit wars -- especially on Foswiki which doesn't seem to come with a comments page like MediaWiki does. Obviously, copy-and-pasting huge pieces of the books is totally out of line. Obviously, giving a small resume of the books is totally in line. Hell lies in the details: could we place resumes of the character's lifes? Could we place description of the places, ships, races, concepts, etc? See, for example, what motivated this thread: the pages in wikipedia that were marked for deletion by a wikipedia troll (or should I say a wikipedia Tandu?): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Hph-wayuo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uplift_Universe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gubru http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaver http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthclan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tymbrimi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jophur http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G'Kek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaker_(David_Brin) (possibly other pages) Are these pages too much or too little? Alberto Monteiro All except Uplift Universe count as trivia. I'd port them straight over. I just looked at the Streaker article. It has an objection that its told from an insider's point of view, like an article for Trekkies by Trekkies. A decent trivia article might not stand on its own, but after following some links you should be able to get a feel for the trivia's role in the universe. It is also good to cite chapter and verse, documenting what books Streaker (for example) appears in and even what pages. This is particularly true for a race like the Tandu who, as I recall, made a cameo appearance in Startide Rising. After porting the endangered Wikipedia pages, I'd focus on articles for DB's books at the synopsis and summary level. Don't forget the bibliographic details. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: The worst
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com wrote: My friends I hate to write this. Been putting it off for a while. Deepest condolences, Nick. -- Mauro Diotallevi ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: The worst
On 4 Jan 2010, at 21:47, Nick Arnett wrote: My friends I hate to write this. Been putting it off for a while. My younger sister, Lesley, the youngest of the four of us, mother of my five-year-old niece, Sarah, could not fight off the sepsis that attacked her body. Lesley died this morning. I have never hurt so much. That's very sad news. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: The worst
Nick Arnett said the following on 1/4/2010 4:47 PM: My friends I hate to write this. Been putting it off for a while. My younger sister, Lesley, the youngest of the four of us, mother of my five-year-old niece, Sarah, could not fight off the sepsis that attacked her body. Lesley died this morning. I have never hurt so much. My deepest condolences, Nick. --[Lance] -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: The worst
Nick Arnett wrote: My friends I hate to write this. Been putting it off for a while. My younger sister, Lesley, the youngest of the four of us, mother of my five-year-old niece, Sarah, could not fight off the sepsis that attacked her body. Lesley died this morning. I have never hurt so much. Nick Nick-- I'm very sorry for your loss. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Honey, I'm home!
Jeroen van Baardwijk wrote: Hi all! ... I'm back. ... Jeroen “Blast From The Past” van Baardwijk Jeroen-- Hi, and welcome back. It has been awhile. One question: What are your plans for the other Brin-L, the one at http://www.brin-l.com/frame.html ? I'd suppose that the archives for the two lists should eventually be merged somehow. But in the short term, how about putting up a link to this list? ---David ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: The worst
Nick, I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. My condolences to you and your family. Doug ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: The worst
Condolences and Hugs, Nick. Whoever the author was that talks about us all starting and becoming stardust, your family has been contributing too much to the beautiful heavens! Dee ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Brin Wiki and Trolls
Jon Louis Mann wrote: I don't understand turning the Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia into a wiki format or what's a Brin Wiki but I am all for doing anything to block trolls from removing any of Dr. Brin's contributions to the SF lexicon Jon-- Hi. I guess the conversation got a bit involved there. The troll wants to remove some free-standing articles from Wikipedia. Notably those on Alvin (the young Hoon on Jijo) and on the Streaker. My sense is that this is a philosophical thing to him--he's in the Deletionist camp on Wikipedia, who want to limit the number of articles on non-notable topics. (He also questions articles on minor academic journals, people I've never heard of, and so on.) Whether or not the Alvin and Streaker articles stay, our sense was that it would be easier to build an extensive Wiki without the contributions of people like him. Hence the plan to set something up apart from Wikipedia. ---David Thanks, David, for that succinct, but thorough explanation of what motivates the troll and one way to circumvent it. The fact that this character is operating behind a false persona indicates he doesn't even have the convictions of his philosophical principles. ---Jon ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
sepsis
My friends I hate to write this. Been putting it off for a while. My younger sister, Lesley, the youngest of the four of us, mother of my five-year-old niece, Sarah, could not fight off the sepsis that attacked her body. Lesley died this morning. I have never hurt so much. Nick dear nick, there are few things worse on earth than losing a young sister and mother. i realize that nothing can be said to lessen the pain, but we all can empathize and understand your reluctance to post the reality of your loss. jon ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: The Taliban Fight Like Che.
On Jan 2, 2010, at 3:32 PM, Trent Shipley wrote: http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/Death-Toll-Now-at-95-in-Pakistan-Volleyball-Bombing--80498082.html This is just dumb. If you want to win a war, intimidating the people whose support you need is pretty stupid. The West might not be able to win in Central Asia ... unless the Taliban keep helping us by alienating their own base. Actually, the Taliban fight like Cheney. We made a decades-long empire of intimidating others into siding with us. We were the first to alienate. -- Warren Ockrassa | @waxis Blog | http://indigestible.nightwares.com/ Books | http://books.nightwares.com/ Web | http://www.nightwares.com/ ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
