Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands
On 7 Apr 2004, at 4:08 am, Julia Thompson wrote: Care to take the How grammatically sound are you? test at quizilla.com? http://quizilla.com/users/BaalObsidian/quizzes/ How%20grammatically%20sound%20are%20you%3F/ http://tinyurl.com/2e4mn :) Julia Grammar God but you wouldn't necessarily know it from some of her posts I'm a Grammar God too. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Aerospace is plumbing with the volume turned up. - John Carmack ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands
On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 03:11:36PM -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 02:35:40PM -0500, Kevin Tarr wrote: I say do nothing until the usual problems surface. I concur. I no longer hold that opinion. He should be (and I assume was) removed from the list. The reason I changed is that he started emailing me offlist again, which he has been repeatedly asked not to do. Since he did it under his pseudonym this time, it temporarily got through my killfile (but has been rectified). -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Mike Lee (if that is in fact who you really are) wrote: Ok, we confess. John Doe and Mike Lee are the same person. Well, we're two personalities of the same person. If you ban us from this list, we will sue you under ADA. If you think it's hard listening to us fight, you ought to have to be in the bathroom in the morning with us. You're getting off easy. Every morning, I try to make a reasonable argument, but then it always ends up with me trying to hang that sonofabitch from the shower rod. Just when I think I've strung him up this time, I pass out and wake up with my head half in the toilet. Still, somehow, I always make it to work on time. You must get up really early. Reggie Bautista 1844 list messages behind and I think there's a reply from lawguru in there somewhere too Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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William T Goodall wrote: On 7 Apr 2004, at 4:08 am, Julia Thompson wrote: Care to take the How grammatically sound are you? test at quizilla.com? http://quizilla.com/users/BaalObsidian/quizzes/ How%20grammatically%20sound%20are%20you%3F/ http://tinyurl.com/2e4mn :) Julia Grammar God but you wouldn't necessarily know it from some of her posts I'm a Grammar God too. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Aerospace is plumbing with the volume turned up. - John Carmack ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l I got grammar expert simply because I disagree with the way Latin grammar rules have been forced upon a germanic language, making a natural english sentence construct illegal because it's unnatural in another language. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Heh. I got Grammar God! :P Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Heh. I got Grammar God! :P Me too. Which don't be suprisin me at all, since i done always spoke English real good. -- Tom Beck my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/ I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
FW: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands
From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Care to take the How grammatically sound are you? test at quizilla.com? http://quizilla.com/users/BaalObsidian/quizzes/How%20grammatically%2 0sound%20are%20you%3F/ http://tinyurl.com/2e4mn I got Grammer God as well. Be careful on this site thought because it appeared to install all sorts of spyware on my computer. Adaware is having a fun time getting rid of it. Plus it appeared to replace the Windows Media Player executable with some other program. Very scary... - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Yeah that happened to me too. Bad thing was that I was at work, and while I'm on the phone with a client I try to access info through the intranet and get all that crap. I was not amused... Damon. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 7 Apr 2004, at 7:14 pm, Horn, John wrote: From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Care to take the How grammatically sound are you? test at quizilla.com? http://quizilla.com/users/BaalObsidian/quizzes/How%20grammatically%2 0sound%20are%20you%3F/ http://tinyurl.com/2e4mn I got Grammer God as well. Be careful on this site thought because it appeared to install all sorts of spyware on my computer. Adaware is having a fun time getting rid of it. Plus it appeared to replace the Windows Media Player executable with some other program. Very scary... Didn't happen to me :) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Our products just aren't engineered for security. - Brian Valentine, senior vice president in charge of Microsoft's Windows development team. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Move along. Nothing to see here. He's not the one you're looking for- Ignore that lightsaber under my cloak... Is that a womp-rat, or are you just happy to see me? Just Us Jedi Maru ;) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ok, we confess. John Doe and Mike Lee are the same person. Well, we're two personalities of the same person. If you ban us from this list, we will sue you under ADA. If you think it's hard listening to us fight, you ought to have to be in the bathroom in the morning with us. You're getting off easy. Every morning, I try to make a reasonable argument, but then it always ends up with me trying to hang that sonofabitch from the shower rod. Just when I think I've strung him up this time, I pass out and wake up with my head half in the toilet. Still, somehow, I always make it to work on time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Arnett Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 5:51 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands Deborah Harrell wrote: If your supposition is correct, I agree; people are capable of change, and should be allowed to demonstrate that. Certainly. Elsewhere. Subscribing under a pseudonym doesn't demonstrate positive change to me. In a moderated message, John Doe says he's holding off on answering my direct question about his identify, so I'm going to assume that he is the person I suspected. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn!Blankenship wrote: I'm so confused . . . At 03:30 AM 4/6/04, Mike Lee wrote: Ok, we confess. John Doe and Mike Lee are the same person. Well, we're two personalities of the same person. If you ban us from this list, we will sue you under ADA. If you think it's hard listening to us fight, you ought to have to be in the bathroom in the morning with us. You're getting off easy. Every morning, I try to make a reasonable argument, but then it always ends up with me trying to hang that sonofabitch from the shower rod. Just when I think I've strung him up this time, I pass out and wake up with my head half in the toilet. Still, somehow, I always make it to work on time. Deborah Harrell wrote: If your supposition is correct, I agree; people are capable of change, and should be allowed to demonstrate that. Certainly. Elsewhere. Subscribing under a pseudonym doesn't demonstrate positive change to me. In a moderated message, John Doe says he's holding off on answering my direct question about his identify, so I'm going to assume that he is the person I suspected. Top Posting Is Evil Maru You had to make me scroll down here, didn't you? :o) Obligatory second line, to avoid one line respons error messages g Sonja GCU: Top AND bottom posting is eviler still ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands Sonja GCU: Top AND bottom posting is eviler still A small English lesson, Sonja. The term you should use for this concept is more evil. Eviler should be reserved for someone who does evil, just as a worker is someone who does work. ;-) Dan M. Note, I am not an English teacher, nor do I play one on TV. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands Sonja GCU: Top AND bottom posting is eviler still A small English lesson, Sonja. The term you should use for this concept is more evil. Eviler should be reserved for someone who does evil, just as a worker is someone who does work. ;-) Dan M. Note, I am not an English teacher, nor do I play one on TV. You enjoyed that, didn't you. :o) Actually I mixed up vile and evil while composing. It's either viler (which I considered to be to strong in content, so I came to the evil ehum to which I mistakingly added the -er. Correct? Maybe I should stick to mixing drinks.;o) Sonja GCU: Correctednessicesitinesses. ;o) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands Sonja GCU: Top AND bottom posting is eviler still A small English lesson, Sonja. The term you should use for this concept is more evil. Eviler should be reserved for someone who does evil, just as a worker is someone who does work. ;-) Dan M. Note, I am not an English teacher, nor do I play one on TV. You enjoyed that, didn't you. :o) Actually I mixed up vile and evil while composing. It's either viler (which I considered to be to strong in content, so I came to the evil ehum to which I mistakingly added the -er. Correct? Maybe I should stick to mixing drinks.;o) Actually, I thought you deliberately chose eviler as a means of enhancing the levity of your writing. In other words, my reading of your post was that you chose that word as a deliberate tool of humor; a very sophisticated use of the English language for one who doesn't have it as a birth tongue. I was just trying to keep the ball rolling. :-) Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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And I'm just LOL over the quantity of response I was able to generate. At 10:36 AM 4/6/04, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands Sonja GCU: Top AND bottom posting is eviler still A small English lesson, Sonja. The term you should use for this concept is more evil. Eviler should be reserved for someone who does evil, just as a worker is someone who does work. ;-) Dan M. Note, I am not an English teacher, nor do I play one on TV. You enjoyed that, didn't you. :o) Actually I mixed up vile and evil while composing. It's either viler (which I considered to be to strong in content, so I came to the evil ehum to which I mistakingly added the -er. Correct? Maybe I should stick to mixing drinks.;o) Actually, I thought you deliberately chose eviler as a means of enhancing the levity of your writing. In other words, my reading of your post was that you chose that word as a deliberate tool of humor; a very sophisticated use of the English language for one who doesn't have it as a birth tongue. I was just trying to keep the ball rolling. :-) Dan M. Move along. Nothing to see here. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands And I'm just LOL over the quantity of response I was able to generate. If we can bring a little happiness into your boring, humdrum life, then all our hard work ain't for nothing. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn!Blankenship wrote: A I'm so confused . . . n d At 03:30 AM 4/6/04, Mike Lee wrote: t Ok, we confess. John Doe and Mike Lee are the same person. Well, h we're two e personalities of the same person. If you ban us from this list, we will sue m you under ADA. o s If you think it's hard listening to us fight, you ought to have to be t in the bathroom in the morning with us. You're getting off easy. e v Every morning, I try to make a reasonable argument, but then it i always ends l up with me trying to hang that sonofabitch from the shower rod. Just when I m think I've strung him up this time, I pass out and wake up with my u head half s in the toilet. t Still, somehow, I always make it to work on time. b e Deborah Harrell wrote: s If your supposition is correct, I agree; people are capable of i change, d and should be allowed to demonstrate that. e w Certainly. Elsewhere. a y Subscribing under a pseudonym doesn't demonstrate positive s change to me. In a moderated message, John Doe says he's holding off p on answering my direct question about his identify, so I'm o going to assume that he is the person I suspected. s t i Top Posting Is Evil Maru n gYou had to make me scroll down here, didn't you? :o) ! Obligatory second line, to avoid one line respons error messages g Sonja GCU: Top AND bottom posting is eviler still ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l Vilyehm Teighlore -- Hey, didn't that line below already apear above? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands Sonja GCU: Top AND bottom posting is eviler still A small English lesson, Sonja. The term you should use for this concept is more evil. Eviler should be reserved for someone who does evil, just as a worker is someone who does work. ;-) Dan M. Note, I am not an English teacher, nor do I play one on TV. Care to take the How grammatically sound are you? test at quizilla.com? http://quizilla.com/users/BaalObsidian/quizzes/How%20grammatically%20sound%20are%20you%3F/ http://tinyurl.com/2e4mn :) Julia Grammar God but you wouldn't necessarily know it from some of her posts ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Alberto Monteiro wrote: Don't you think that it's an evidence that JD is _not_ that member? When I play a person, I try to make myself completely different in the choice of words and style from the real me. For example, I fooled at least 3 workmates using a female persona. Hmmm... Maybe I should try it here? evil grin You have never really fooled me Alberto. There must be something suspicious about names beginning with the letter J. Many of us know that Julia is just a pseudonym so you can make the odd reasonable post whilst maintaining your own idiosyncratic style for your own posts. Very clever, but you can't fool us. Hm. Fool.. Regards, Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Kevin Tarr wrote: I say do nothing until the usual problems surface. Kevin T. - VRWLC And they will I agree with this. Both bits unfortunately. However, I would love to be proved wrong. I do understand Nick's wariness. Regards, Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 05:21 AM 4/4/04, Ray Ludenia wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: I say do nothing until the usual problems surface. Kevin T. - VRWLC And they will I agree with this. Both bits unfortunately. However, I would love to be proved wrong. I do understand Nick's wariness. I still think it is not really appropriate to be discussing it openly on the list as if certain persons were not present. But That's Just Me Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 4/3/2004 10:56:06 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kevin T. - VRWLC Duke loses, the free world celebrates Arizona barely notices. They're too busy training for their game where they play in wheelchairs. BASKETBALL UA men and women to face Wildchairs Members of the UA men's and women's basketball teams will take on the Wildchairs at 6 p.m. Tuesday in the Lame for a Game wheelchair basketball exhibition at McKale Center. Tickets, available at the McKale Center ticket office, range from $5 to $14. Proceeds benefit the UA's Disability Resource Center. (From newspaper: http://mobile.azstarnet.com/sn/pdasports/16530.html as all UofA sites want your student ID first.) - William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands
Oh, oh. This one I just discovered in my junk folder, where it actually belongs. It was never intended for the list, but for my drafts folder. Already wondered what happened to it after I accidentally put something on the keyboard. It didn't show up on my box for listmail so I assumed it got deleted. Darn, them short cut keys. Well if nothing else it at least shows the amount of restraint I normally impose upon myself to post to the list. Sorry to have bothered y'all with my unfiltered annoyances. Sonja :o) xGCU: And thanks to Nick for moderators approval anyway, I myself thought that it was way to offensive to send to the list in this form. SVBH wrote: Nick Arnett wrote: What's a list admin to do? For now, John Doe remains on moderation, which is automatic for new list members. You should either drop the subject and stay out of list policy or finally decide to become the overall ruler of this domain and ban everybody you don't like together with everybody you suspect capable of harm. Any wich way you like it. Just stop bothering the list with this beef you have. I always find myself in the middle of it and I don't care much for being reminded time and again by anybody who happened to have a quarrel with my husband in the past. As you perhaps might have noticed posting has become difficult enough for me as it is without people inciting a list riot everytime paranoia hits. Sonja GCU: Enough is enough ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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And if I'd read my headers correctly before sending an apology to a message that I just found out was never sent to the list but that due to some unexplained coincidental quirk of fate got dumped in my junk folder, I'd have saved myself some trouble and you the annoyance. I shouldn't be sitting at the puter at this time of night after a hard day of grovelling around in our not yet garden. slapping myself Sonja :o) GCU: Major ARGH Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote a lot of offensive stuff snipped the whole lot ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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To spare you further agony, I'll stop responding to myself now. ;o) Sonja :o) GCU: Good night. Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: And if I'd read my headers correctly before sending an apology to a message that I just found out was never sent to the list but that due to some unexplained coincidental quirk of fate got dumped in my junk folder, I'd have saved myself some trouble and you the annoyance. I shouldn't be sitting at the puter at this time of night after a hard day of grovelling around in our not yet garden. slapping myself Sonja :o) GCU: Major ARGH Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote a lot of offensive stuff snipped the whole lot ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Deborah Harrell wrote: If your supposition is correct, I agree; people are capable of change, and should be allowed to demonstrate that. Certainly. Elsewhere. Subscribing under a pseudonym doesn't demonstrate positive change to me. In a moderated message, John Doe says he's holding off on answering my direct question about his identify, so I'm going to assume that he is the person I suspected. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: To spare you further agony, I'll stop responding to myself now. ;o) This is psychosis, stage 2 :-)) Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands Deborah Harrell wrote: If your supposition is correct, I agree; people are capable of change, and should be allowed to demonstrate that. Certainly. Elsewhere. Subscribing under a pseudonym doesn't demonstrate positive change to me. I agree with that. I think that allowing someone to think they won, not by repenting of the threats and attacks made in the past, but by gaming the list administrator is not a good way to deal with someone who was banned for good cause. In a moderated message, John Doe says he's holding off on answering my direct question about his identify, so I'm going to assume that he is the person I suspected. It's your call, but I think it would be prudent to hold off letting John Doe return until you explicitly wish to make the decision. Letting someone sneak around the ban sounds like having your hand forced. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Dan Minette wrote: From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deborah Harrell wrote: If your supposition is correct, I agree; people are capable of change, and should be allowed to demonstrate that. Certainly. Elsewhere. Subscribing under a pseudonym doesn't demonstrate positive change to me. I agree with that. I think that allowing someone to think they won, not by repenting of the threats and attacks made in the past, but by gaming the list administrator is not a good way to deal with someone who was banned for good cause. In a moderated message, John Doe says he's holding off on answering my direct question about his identify, so I'm going to assume that he is the person I suspected. It's your call, but I think it would be prudent to hold off letting John Doe return until you explicitly wish to make the decision. Letting someone sneak around the ban sounds like having your hand forced. Dan M. Not that we expect a list administrator to catch a pseudonymous return, but since you apparently have, feel free to moderate as long as you want to. Or let it go, since it is not proven, and we'll watch for telltale signs of obsession. ---David Anonymity precludes good solutions. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
[ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands
I have an administrative issue that I need the list's input on. A new list member joined recently, using the name John Doe on an msn.com account. This person's messages are originating in the Netherlands. As those who have been on the list for a while know, these facts raise a concern that John Doe may in fact be a former list member who has been banned. Analyzing the language of John Doe's postings (an area in which I have a fair bit of expertise), I see a disturbing similarity to that of the aforementioned banned member. As just one example, John Doe used the phrase list admins in a recent message, a phrase that in the past was used almost exclusively on the list by the aforementioned banned member. What's a list admin to do? For now, John Doe remains on moderation, which is automatic for new list members. I should add that Julia is probably not available for a few days. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 01:50 PM 4/3/2004, you wrote: I have an administrative issue that I need the list's input on. A new list member joined recently, using the name John Doe on an msn.com account. This person's messages are originating in the Netherlands. As those who have been on the list for a while know, these facts raise a concern that John Doe may in fact be a former list member who has been banned. Analyzing the language of John Doe's postings (an area in which I have a fair bit of expertise), I see a disturbing similarity to that of the aforementioned banned member. As just one example, John Doe used the phrase list admins in a recent message, a phrase that in the past was used almost exclusively on the list by the aforementioned banned member. What's a list admin to do? For now, John Doe remains on moderation, which is automatic for new list members. I should add that Julia is probably not available for a few days. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] evil grin looks familiar too. I say do nothing until the usual problems surface. Kevin T. - VRWLC And they will ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 02:35:40PM -0500, Kevin Tarr wrote: At 01:50 PM 4/3/2004, Nick wrote: What's a list admin to do? For now, John Doe remains on moderation, which is automatic for new list members. I should add that Julia is probably not available for a few days. I say do nothing until the usual problems surface. I concur. If he wants to be a part of brin-l so much, and since there has been a reasonable cooling off period since the last problems, I suggest doing nothing unless threats and real life consequences start coming up again. Although I would have preferred if he just apologized to the people he had threatened and asked Nick for another chance on brin-l. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 10:50:11 -0800 I have an administrative issue that I need the list's input on. A new list member joined recently, using the name John Doe on an msn.com account. Hotmail account, actually. This person's messages are originating in the Netherlands. You are correct in that I do live there. Together with some 16 million other people, a lot of whom are connected to the Internet. As those who have been on the list for a while know, these facts raise a concern that John Doe may in fact be a former list member who has been banned. Let's assume for a moment that I am that former list member, and the same person someone referred to as J. Wouldn't you say it's rather rude to then talk about me in third person as if I'm not here, and only refer to me as a former list member or J rather than using my real name? Analyzing the language of John Doe's postings (an area in which I have a fair bit of expertise), I see a disturbing similarity to that of the aforementioned banned member. I'm fairly sure that in a group of 16 million people, a significant number of people would have a similar posting style. In fact, if you'd analyze this list's archive you probably find several sets of people with similar posting styles. As just one example, John Doe used the phrase list admins in a recent message, a phrase that in the past was used almost exclusively on the list by the aforementioned banned member. I've found that the phrase list admin is quite common on mailing lists, so in the list archives you'd probably find the phrase used by various people. Have you checked? What's a list admin to do? How 'bout: he should show restraint in accusing someone of something if he can't support his allegations with some non-circumstantial evidence. Or apologize to me, J, and J's wife. But I'm sure that you can think of ways to check if yours truly and J are really one and the same person. For now, John Doe remains on moderation, which is automatic for new list members. I do? Then why did you tell me off-list earlier today that you agreed that after 25+ posts it was indeed time to take me off moderation? I must say that this J must have made quite an impact, if you banned him (last year, according to an off-list message I received) and you're still so paranoid about it that any new subscriber from the Netherlands is automatically a suspect. The treatment doesn't encourage a new subscriber to stick around. Salaam Aleikum JD _ Hotmail en Messenger on the move http://www.msn.nl/communicatie/smsdiensten/hotmailsmsv2/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands
John Doe wrote: Let's assume for a moment that I am that former list member, and the same person someone referred to as J. Wouldn't you say it's rather rude to then talk about me in third person as if I'm not here, and only refer to me as a former list member or J rather than using my real name? On the other hand, let's just ask you. Are you Jeroen van Baardwijk? Please reply to the list. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands
Nick Arnett wrote: I should add that Julia is probably not available for a few days. Julia is not reliably available until probably the middle of next week. RL just hit the point of total exhaustion. (I have a breaking point. I hit it this morning. Things are more under control now, though, but I can't commit to anything besides tending to the biological needs of my family until Dan is actually better from whatever it is he has. At least pneumonia has been ruled out.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands
Nick Arnett wrote: Analyzing the language of John Doe's postings (an area in which I have a fair bit of expertise), I see a disturbing similarity to that of the aforementioned banned member. Don't you think that it's an evidence that JD is _not_ that member? When I play a person, I try to make myself completely different in the choice of words and style from the real me. For example, I fooled at least 3 workmates using a female persona. Hmmm... Maybe I should try it here? evil grin Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands
At 07:49 PM 4/3/2004, you wrote: Nick Arnett wrote: Analyzing the language of John Doe's postings (an area in which I have a fair bit of expertise), I see a disturbing similarity to that of the aforementioned banned member. Don't you think that it's an evidence that JD is _not_ that member? When I play a person, I try to make myself completely different in the choice of words and style from the real me. For example, I fooled at least 3 workmates using a female persona. Hmmm... Maybe I should try it here? evil grin Alberto Monteiro This just proves that you can think. Considering your reputation, that was not being questioned. Kevin T. - VRWLC Duke loses, the free world celebrates ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
