Re: Bad Spelars
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 11:07:35AM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: I've been following the mislabled thread on spelling and dysxia with some interest. My spelling is horrid, Apparently your reading comprehension isn't so good either, Dan. So, my unsolicited advise to you Jan is that, by Erik insulting you as he has, Your statement suggests that you totally misunderstand the thread you are discussing. Maybe you should try to pay attention to the meaning of the threads you are replying to, Dan, rather than only looking at things superficially (like you are accusing me of doing w.r.t. spelling). By the way, it is interesting to note my reply when I was corrected for using theory when hypothesis would be more precise, and Jan's reaction when a certain phrase he used against someone else was turned back on him. I see what you mean Dan. O, and Erik, yes we did turn phrases around a couple of times. The point of that was to express the need for tolerance, and to express that everyone is wrong once and a while even about things that the usualy correct others on. I never did thank you for helping me to make that point, or for correcting my error in the process. = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bad Spelars
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 12:46:48AM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: O, and Erik, yes we did turn phrases around a couple of times. The point of that was to express the need for tolerance, and to express that everyone is wrong once and a while even about things that the usualy correct others on. I never did thank you for helping me to make that point, or for correcting my error in the process. That's not necessary. By the way, I think we have a different idea of what is meant by tolerance. I didn't intend to make any point about spelling when I started that thread (my point was obviously about that other phrase which has a million uses :-) , but as it turned out I did (and do) have a little something to say about spelling and tolerance. I DO tolerate bad spelling. By that, I mean that I continue to read posts by people regardless of whether their spelling is 99% or 75% or whatever. If I couldn't tolerate it, then I would killfile people who make a lot of spelling errors. I think that would be silly, it is just spelling, not a big deal, I would rather think about concepts than worry too much about spelling. However, I don't think tolerating something means not mentioning it. I got the impression that you felt that I should not bring up the topic. And we apparently do disagree about how a computer can be used to aid in spelling (my test of a phonetic spelling program found that it could guess the correct spelling with high probability and it gave a list of words with brief definitions so the correct spelling could be easily chosen). Although I am certainly capable of figuring out what is meant in posts with 25% misspellings, it does slow me down considerably to read such a post. Likewise, Jan, I think you are capable of using a good computer program to improve your spelling, but it would also slow you down (and we apparently disagree on how much). Anyway, I don't think it is intolerant to discuss this. As you may have noticed, no topic is sacred to me. If you are unable to tolerate this quality of mine, you COULD always killfile me. :-) -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bad Spelars
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 12:46:48AM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: O, and Erik, yes we did turn phrases around a couple of times. The point of that was to express the need for tolerance, and to express that everyone is wrong once and a while even about things that the usually correct others on. I never did thank you for helping me to make that point, or for correcting my error in the process. That's not necessary. By the way, I think we have a different idea of what is meant by tolerance. I didn't intend to make any point about spelling when I started that thread (my point was obviously about that other phrase which has a million uses :-) , but as it turned out I did (and do) have a little something to say about spelling and tolerance. I DO tolerate bad spelling. By that, I mean that I continue to read posts by people regardless of whether their spelling is 99% or 75% or whatever. If I couldn't tolerate it, then I would killfile people who make a lot of spelling errors. I think that would be silly, it is just spelling, not a big deal, I would rather think about concepts than worry too much about spelling. However, I don't think tolerating something means not mentioning it. I got the impression that you felt that I should not bring up the topic. And we apparently do disagree about how a computer can be used to aid in spelling (my test of a phonetic spelling program found that it could guess the correct spelling with high probability and it gave a list of words with brief definitions so the correct spelling could be easily chosen). Although I am certainly capable of figuring out what is meant in posts with 25% misspellings, it does slow me down considerably to read such a post. Likewise, Jan, I think you are capable of using a good computer program to improve your spelling, but it would also slow you down (and we apparently disagree on how much). Anyway, I don't think it is intolerant to discuss this. As you may have noticed, no topic is sacred to me. If you are unable to tolerate this quality of mine, you COULD always killfile me. :-) No Erik I am not going to do that. No matter howunpleasant...some may find your ...nitpicking... you do not have a tendency to be incorrect. not that you are not, but it isn't a majority of the time. Anyway, we do disagree on quite a bit here on the spelling issue, but that was not what I was talking about. I was referring to earlier posts. We seem to be turning ones arguments back on each other quite a bit. However, you use of the particular phrase we a bit redundant and ridiculous. You could have mearly(sp?) stated the point you were trying to make and been done with it. I could say that you were in fact being something quite similar to passive aggressive, only not in much of a passive style. And that, more than any spelling issue is what really annoyed me. It just took me longer to realize that was what I was responding to. btw. I spent about 10 minutes spell checking this. I still can not find a spelling for mearly that the checker will accept and so I gave up. = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Bad Spelars
I've been following the mislabled thread on spelling and dysxia with some interest. My spelling is horrid, I've been gigged for it ever since I've been on the list. However, I've not taken insult for it because I generally consider the gigging to be good natured. Obviously, Erik is an exception to this, but since he seems to be able to find something wrong with just about everyone who differs with him, I don't take his insults too seriously. If Gautam or Julia or Rob or Debbie, or many other folks were to consider my thoughts to be way off base, I'd take it a lot more seriously. So, my unsolicited advise to you Jan is that, by Erik insulting you as he has, he has initiated you in a club that contains some pretty decent members. Unfortunately, since it isn't very exclusive, it may not be prestigeous. Outside of that context, Ritu's statement would probably have been taken for either a genuine question, or a gentle gig, far gentler, in fact, than the type Ronn would give meand I think Ronn's gigging me is usually pretty funny. On bad spelling and trouble memorizing being signs of dyslexia, I'm not so sure. I definately remember ideas better than facts, and my bad spelling is well documented. But, I'm also a sped redder, with very high comprehention. Indeed, on the SATs I scored in the top % for reading comprehension. My GRE score was lower, ~93 percentile, but that's not all that bad. So, I'm not so sure about the expanded meaning of dyslexia. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bad Spelars
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 11:07:35AM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: I've been following the mislabled thread on spelling and dysxia with some interest. My spelling is horrid, Apparently your reading comprehension isn't so good either, Dan. So, my unsolicited advise to you Jan is that, by Erik insulting you as he has, Your statement suggests that you totally misunderstand the thread you are discussing. Maybe you should try to pay attention to the meaning of the threads you are replying to, Dan, rather than only looking at things superficially (like you are accusing me of doing w.r.t. spelling). By the way, it is interesting to note my reply when I was corrected for using theory when hypothesis would be more precise, and Jan's reaction when a certain phrase he used against someone else was turned back on him. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bad Spelars
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: Re: Bad Spelars On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 11:07:35AM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: I've been following the mislabled thread on spelling and dysxia with some interest. My spelling is horrid, Apparently your reading comprehension isn't so good either, Dan. So, my unsolicited advise to you Jan is that, by Erik insulting you as he has, Your statement suggests that you totally misunderstand the thread you are discussing. Maybe you should try to pay attention to the meaning of the threads you are replying to, Dan, rather than only looking at things superficially (like you are accusing me of doing w.r.t. spelling). Let me put forth a hypothesis to you. Differing with you doesn't mean that people misunderstand. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bad Spelars
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 11:31:08AM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Let me put forth a hypothesis to you. Differing with you doesn't mean that people misunderstand. In that case, you were writing imprecisely. Your meaning would have been clearer if you wrote unintended insult, since my posts were intended as constructive criticism rather than an insult (in most cases, insult implies intent). If you did in fact understand what I meant, but disagreed with my methods, then you did not express yourself well. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bad Spelars
At 12:44 PM 8/1/2003 -0400 Erik Reuter wrote: since my posts were intended as constructive criticism rather than an insult In which case, why not provide your constructive criticism OFF-LIST? If you were at a party, and you gave someone constructive criticism in a voice loud enough for the whole party to hear, how constructive do you imagine it would be?Far more likely, it will just put the person on the defensive. By posting comments to the entire List, you did exactly that - speaking in a loud enough voice for the entire party to hear - and not surprisingly, rather than your criticism being constructive, it ended up putting people on the defensive. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bad Spelars
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 10:18:39PM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote: In which case, why not provide your constructive criticism OFF-LIST? Because I reply to list messages on list. If you were at a party, and you gave someone constructive criticism This isn't a party. party to hear - and not surprisingly, rather than your criticism being constructive, it ended up putting people on the defensive. On the contrary, I think it did both, but not in exactly the way I expected. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
