Brin: Book / Time = Joy%
David Brin: Seriously. (May I? For just a moment?) Next time you contemplate a book’s retail price, try dividing it by the number of hours of pleasure you’ll get, reading it. Then tell me of any other pastime with a better minutes per pennies ratio of sheer joy! Video games. It's easy to see that Good Quality video games gives a much better ratio (I'm not talking about all these first person shooter games which are basically 100% interchangable and are basically Doom clones). Lets see, you probably get 3-5 times (average) from high quality games--Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, etc, You probably get 4-10 times from any given Zelda game (including handheld), 2-20 times from High quality fighter Games--Soul Caliber, Tekken, etc. Possibly 100's of times from open ended games--Tetris, Angband, Darklands, Minesweeper, etc. I know I spent more time playing Betray at Krondor than I did reading Magician (Apprentice Master). Then we get to TV shows/Movies. The average person probably rewatches their favorite TV shows Movies over and over again, so your conception is wrong. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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On 18/06/2012, at 7:18 PM, KZK wrote: David Brin: Seriously. (May I? For just a moment?) Next time you contemplate a book’s retail price, try dividing it by the number of hours of pleasure you’ll get, reading it. Then tell me of any other pastime with a better minutes per pennies ratio of sheer joy! Video games. It's easy to see that Good Quality video games gives a much better ratio (I'm not talking about all these first person shooter games which are basically 100% interchangable and are basically Doom clones). …apart from shooters with an online component - look at the hours (some) people spend playing CoD or Battlefield or Counterstrike. Or with a story like Deus Ex or STALKER or Fallout 3… (so your conception is wrong ;-) ). Lets see, you probably get 3-5 times (average) from high quality games--Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, etc, You probably get 4-10 times from any given Zelda game (including handheld), 2-20 times from High quality fighter Games--Soul Caliber, Tekken, etc. Possibly 100's of times from open ended games--Tetris, Angband, Darklands, Minesweeper, etc. Agree Minecraft has given me a lot of pleasure for awful small change. I know I've also spent around 270 hours in the Mass Effect universe, and probably similar in the Assassin's Creed universe. I know I spent more time playing Betray at Krondor than I did reading Magician (Apprentice Master). Then we get to TV shows/Movies. The average person probably rewatches their favorite TV shows Movies over and over again, so your conception is wrong. Plus the better one is at reading, the worse value for money it is… Reading is a very expensive habit! Glad I can afford it. Charlie. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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At 03:50 AM Monday 6/18/2012, Charlie Bell wrote: Reading is a very expensive habit! Glad I can afford it. I have a backpack full of books to return to the library tomorrow (or as soon after that as I can get there: only two are actually due tomorrow). Last time (a couple of weeks ago), I had to carry a full mesh shopping bag in addition because I had too many to return to fit in the backpack . . . . . . ronn! :) ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Brin: Book / Time = Joy%
Krondor eh? I (peripherally) helped to design the world that Ray Feist set his books game in. Knew him and helped/taught him when he saw that if Brin could get money for writing, why not me? Subconsciously, some of his less admirable characters were starkly clear self-portraits. From: KZK evil.ke...@gmail.com To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Mon, June 18, 2012 1:19:26 AM Subject: Brin: Book / Time = Joy% David Brin: Seriously. (May I? For just a moment?) Next time you contemplate a book’s retail price, try dividing it by the number of hours of pleasure you’ll get, reading it. Then tell me of any other pastime with a better minutes per pennies ratio of sheer joy! Video games. It's easy to see that Good Quality video games gives a much better ratio (I'm not talking about all these first person shooter games which are basically 100% interchangable and are basically Doom clones). Lets see, you probably get 3-5 times (average) from high quality games--Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, etc, You probably get 4-10 times from any given Zelda game (including handheld), 2-20 times from High quality fighter Games--Soul Caliber, Tekken, etc. Possibly 100's of times from open ended games--Tetris, Angband, Darklands, Minesweeper, etc. I know I spent more time playing Betray at Krondor than I did reading Magician (Apprentice Master). Then we get to TV shows/Movies. The average person probably rewatches their favorite TV shows Movies over and over again, so your conception is wrong. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Brin: Book / Time = Joy%
I for one would LOVE to hear more about that! - jmh On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 2:47 PM, David Brin db...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Krondor eh? I (peripherally) helped to design the world that Ray Feist set his books game in. Knew him and helped/taught him when he saw that if Brin could get money for writing, why not me? Subconsciously, some of his less admirable characters were starkly clear self-portraits. From: KZK evil.ke...@gmail.com To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Mon, June 18, 2012 1:19:26 AM Subject: Brin: Book / Time = Joy% David Brin: Seriously. (May I? For just a moment?) Next time you contemplate a book’s retail price, try dividing it by the number of hours of pleasure you’ll get, reading it. Then tell me of any other pastime with a better minutes per pennies ratio of sheer joy! Video games. It's easy to see that Good Quality video games gives a much better ratio (I'm not talking about all these first person shooter games which are basically 100% interchangable and are basically Doom clones). Lets see, you probably get 3-5 times (average) from high quality games--Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, etc, You probably get 4-10 times from any given Zelda game (including handheld), 2-20 times from High quality fighter Games--Soul Caliber, Tekken, etc. Possibly 100's of times from open ended games--Tetris, Angband, Darklands, Minesweeper, etc. I know I spent more time playing Betray at Krondor than I did reading Magician (Apprentice Master). Then we get to TV shows/Movies. The average person probably rewatches their favorite TV shows Movies over and over again, so your conception is wrong. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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Brin: Book / Time = Joy% (KZK)
Seriously. (May I? For just a moment?) Next time you contemplate a book?s retail price, try dividing it by the number of hours of pleasure you?ll get, reading it. Then tell me of any other pastime with a better minutes per pennies ratio of sheer joy! Video games. It's easy to see that Good Quality video games gives a much better ratio (I'm not talking about all these first person shooter games which are basically 100% interchangable and are basically Doom clones). Lets see, you probably get 3-5 times (average) from high quality games--Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, etc, You probably get 4-10 times from any given Zelda game (including handheld), 2-20 times from High quality fighter Games--Soul Caliber, Tekken, etc. Possibly 100's of times from open ended games--Tetris, Angband, Darklands, Minesweeper, etc. I know I spent more time playing Betray at Krondor than I did reading Magician (Apprentice Master). Then we get to TV shows/Movies. The average person probably rewatches their favorite TV shows Movies over and over again, so your conception is wrong. For me time is too precious to waste playing video games. I canceled my cable and minimized my time on Facebook because they were cutting into my reading time. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Brin: Book / Time = Joy% (KZK)
On Jun 18, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: For me time is too precious to waste playing video games. I canceled my cable and minimized my time on Facebook because they were cutting into my reading time. For me, video games — especially played with my son — are more valuable/enjoyable than most other forms of entertainment, perhaps more so because they involve thinking and engagement, rather than merely receiving them. The $60 or so that I spent on Fallout 3 bought me roughly 300 hours of entertainment, much of it with my son at my side, laughing along with me as various denizens of the post-apocalypse got the better of me. Seems like a pretty good deal. Yes, I know that superior people are supposed by other superior people to be above enjoying video games, but I guess I'm just not that superior. Dave ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
