Re: Harry Potter 5 (not really spoiler free anymore)

2003-07-30 Thread TomFODW
 That's a good point I hadn't thought about.  Ambition is not, in and of 
 itself, an evil trait, and it is the one Slytherin most valued.  If you can 
 point those ambitious kids along the right path, you've got a better chance of 
 keeping them from the Dark Arts than you would if you sent them off on their 
 own.
 

The trait that Slytherin most valued was purebloodedness. Ambition was a 
distant second. 

As I said, Rowling tends to write her good guys much better, much more 
nuanced and variegated, than her bad guys, who all tend to have unitary motivations 
and never change. Draco Malfoy is the prime example, but most of her Slytherin 
students are the same: just plain scum. 

My problem with Snape is that he does not appear to have any negative 
feelings towards his own house, even though Slytherin house produces Death Eaters, 
whom he cannot stand. You'd think he would at least appear conflicted, even if 
he had to dissemble. He certainly never seems to be even trying to nudge them 
back away from the path of evil - which he should know better than anyone how 
tempting it is and how likely it is that some of the Slytherin students seem to 
be heading down it.



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Re: Harry Potter 5 (not really spoiler free anymore)

2003-07-30 Thread Reggie Bautista
Jim wrote, re: Snape:
Keeping up appearances, I imagine.  He uses Occlumency to hide his
true feelings from Voldermort, and favors Slytherin to demonstrate
his continuing loyalty.  Or at least that is my theory.
I replied:
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?  I  hadn't thought
about that.
Jim responeded:
That's not really how I thought of it, Reggie.  I was looking at it more 
from a standpoint of what if that little prat Malfoy tells Daddy that Snape 
is acting funny?  It could draw suspicion.
Ah, ok, that makes sense to me.

And it may be that he really doesn't see the problems with the
students in Slytherin (or with most of them, anyway);
Also, maybe Snape feels that Slytherin is a valid choice of house
(as Dumbledore must also feel, since he hasn't gotten rid of
Slytherin house), and why not have some loyalty to your own house?
That's probably also part of it.  And of course sticking it to Harry and 
the Gryffindors is always a big bonus, I'm sure.
I really like the twist that Harry's dad was not exactly a likeable guy, at 
least with regard to how he treated Snape.  It finally explains Snape's 
attitude toward Harry, which I always thought was a little weird given that 
Snape was supposed to be one of the good guys.

Harry got a lot of rude awakenings in this novel, finding out about how his 
dad and Sirius used to act, losing Sirius, Dumbledore acting in ways he 
didn't expect (although with a nice turnaround when they tried to arrest 
him), learning (or not learning) how girls act and react when they like 
someone, etc.

Reggie Bautista

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Re: Harry Potter 5 (not really spoiler free anymore)

2003-07-29 Thread Jim Sharkey

Reggie Bautista wrote:
Tom wrote:
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Why does Snape, who clearly abhors Voldemort and all the Death Eaters, still 
show any favor at all to Slytherin just because 
it's his own house, when it is full of people who at the very 
leastsympathize with Voldemort?
Jim replied:
Keeping up appearances, I imagine.  He uses Occlumency to hide his 
true feelings from Voldermort, and favors Slytherin to demonstrate 
his continuing loyalty.  Or at least that is my theory.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?  I  hadn't thought 
about that.

That's not really how I thought of it, Reggie.  I was looking at it more from a 
standpoint of what if that little prat Malfoy tells Daddy that Snape is acting funny?  
It could draw suspicion.

And it may be that he really doesn't see the problems with the 
students in Slytherin (or with most of them, anyway);
Also, maybe Snape feels that Slytherin is a valid choice of house 
(as Dumbledore must also feel, since he hasn't gotten rid of 
Slytherin house), and why not have some loyalty to your own house?  

That's probably also part of it.  And of course sticking it to Harry and the 
Gryffindors is always a big bonus, I'm sure.  

Maybe he thinks some of the students from that house are 
salvageable, and he wants to be an example of how one can be dark 
and moody and... well, Goth, for lack of a better term, and still 
not be a Voldemort sympathizer or follower.

That's a good point I hadn't thought about.  Ambition is not, in and of itself, an 
evil trait, and it is the one Slytherin most valued.  If you can point those ambitious 
kids along the right path, you've got a better chance of keeping them from the Dark 
Arts than you would if you sent them off on their own.

Jim

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Re: Harry Potter 5 (not really spoiler free anymore)

2003-07-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
Thanks for changing the header , Jim.

Doug

~halfway through.

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