Re: Knowledge of Complex Systems and Ecch-onomics
Dan M. wrote: Subject: Welcome to Hyperinflation! Date: 2008-08-29 12:30 I was just checking the evolution of PPI (PPI and CPI measure inflation in the USA), and noticed that _this year_ the accumulated inflation is about 10% (!!!) Yes, but I was talking about the period from 2008-01 to 2008-06. Why that period? (the PPI increased 6.5% during that period). Because I was repeating my message of 2008-08-29. Notice the date. It was quite obvious that something would happen soon. But the idiots (me including) couldn't see what was coming. Also, IIRC, the PPI is revised after a few months. The preliminary data indicated a 10% inflation - a sure sign that Evil Days Were Coming. I guess its a YMMV item. I can usually find what I want in a couple of minutes. As an aside, the US is unique among countries in the amount of available data. It's much harder to get data from other countries. Maybe because the data is in English. I once tried to get some data from Japan, and everything was in japanese characters - that crazy mix of Kanji, Katakana, Hiragana, Arabic numbers and a few Roman words. Brazilian data are available at http://www.ibge.gov.br It's in Portuguese, Spanish and English (unfortunately, not in Latin, the official language of Latin America). Alberto Monteiro ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Knowledge of Complex Systems and Ecch-onomics
On Sep 10, 2009, at 10:16 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 04:44 PM Thursday 9/10/2009, Chris Frandsen wrote: Here a title I have never heard before, Econophysicist! How long until we hear about Relativistic Inflation . . . ? :P Well, Hubble expansion certainly seems to apply .. :D -b ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Knowledge of Complex Systems and Ecch-onomics
Some of the time, but only some of the time, I have the sender as the poster, not brin-l. Alberto was nice enough to send it back to me so I can repost it. Dan M. - From: Alberto Monteiro albm...@centroin.com.br Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:46:01 -0200 To: dsummersmi...@comcast.net, brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Knowledge of Complex Systems and Ecconomics Dan M. wrote: Subject: Welcome to Hyperinflation! Date: 2008-08-29 12:30 I was just checking the evolution of PPI (PPI and CPI measure inflation in the USA), and noticed that _this year_ the accumulated inflation is about 10% (!!!) Where did you get that? 2008 data. And notice that I said PPI, not CPI. Two things on this. First, PPI is always far more volital than CPI or WPI (Wholesale Price Index). It is highly dependant on commodity prices. When oil prices go from 140 to 35 to 70, the PPI is far more affected than either of these two. Indeed, the CPI and WPI also have a core amount (excluding food and energy) that is a much better indicator of changes in the long range inflation. But, to look at what you quoted we have at http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_too l=latest_numbersseries_id=WPSSOP3000output_view=pct_1mth http://tinyurl.com/ndqm3x the PPI report itself. If you add this year, we have a 1.2% increase in 2009, and for the last calandar year a 6.5% decrease. The BLS is the organization that measures US inflation and puts a lot of work into it. While others may argue about inflation being overstated by not including substitution of new goods to extend and reduce the cost of old goods properly, no one else measures inflation like the BLS. Yes, but I was talking about the period from 2008-01 to 2008-06. Why that period? (the PPI increased 6.5% during that period). It was before the meltdown and the government response. Sinc ethen, we've had deflation. The net for the last 18 months is 0. That's not inflation at all. http://www.bls.gov/cpi/home.htm This site is awful. There's so much information that I have no idea where the data came from. But it probably came from that site. I guess its a YMMV item. I can usually find what I want in a couple of minutes. As an aside, the US is unique among countries in the amount of available data. It's much harder to get data from other countries. Dan M. mail2web.com Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Knowledge of Complex Systems and Ecch-onomics
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:14 PM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: Some of the time, but only some of the time, I have the sender as the poster, not brin-l. Alberto was nice enough to send it back to me so I can repost it. As I posted before (maybe you missed it if that was when the list was having problems), that is because your messages have the Reply-to: set to both your personal email- and the list email-address. So if someone hits reply, it depends on whether their email client uses the Reply-to: or the From: field to reply. If they use the Reply-to: then an email should go to both the list and to you directly. Unless your email filters one of them, you should then receive two copies when that happens. I suppose it is also possible that some email readers arbitrarily choose just one of the two email-addresses in the Reply-to: field. I usually manually remove your personal email (as I have done on this reply) from the To: field so that my reply only goes to the list. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Knowledge of Complex Systems and Ecch-onomics
At 04:44 PM Thursday 9/10/2009, Chris Frandsen wrote: Here a title I have never heard before, Econophysicist! How long until we hear about Relativistic Inflation . . . ? :P . . . ronn! :) ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
