Re: Low-Carb Diet

2002-10-22 Thread Kevin Tarr


.  Quite a few drugs,
treatments or other interventions have been found over
the years to have significant impact on a population
of patients in the short-term, only to have the
benefits shrivel at the 1 or 2 or 3 year mark (frex,
use of the Swan-Ganz catheter).

Debbi




Don't say THAT word!

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Re: Low-Carb Diet

2002-10-22 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Kevin Tarr wrote:
[I wrote] 
 .  Quite a few drugs,
 treatments or other interventions have been found
 over the years to have significant impact on a
 population
 of patients in the short-term, only to have the
 benefits shrivel at the 1 or 2 or 3 year mark
 (frex, use of the Swan-Ganz catheter).
 
 Don't say THAT word!
 
 Kevin T.
 Crossing my legs

ROTFLOL
It's not _that_ kind of a catheter - it's used to
monitor pressures on the right side of the heart and
the lungs, and is inserted through a vein (under the
collarbone or in the neck, usually).

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Re: Low-Carb Diet

2002-10-22 Thread Jim Sharkey

 --- Kevin Tarr wrote:
  (frex, use of the Swan-Ganz catheter).
  
  Don't say THAT word!

That *is* a singularly unpleasant experience, isn't it?

*shudders at the memory.*

Jim

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RE: Low-Carb Diet

2002-10-21 Thread Gary Nunn

 One example of a LCHP diet is the Atkins Diet, which first gained
 popularity during the 1970s. Limited evidence suggests it may help people
 lose weight, but many experts remain concerned about the long-term health

Limited evidence is my favorite part of this kind of propaganda.

Thirty years and millions of successful participants is hardly limited
evidence. But this is typical of many nutrition and medical opinions about
the low carb diet.

Certainly there are risks involved with a low carb diet, especially if you
fail to get the proper balance of vitamins, fiber and carbs. But that is
really the crux of this type of program, finding the correct balance for
your body.

One benefit that I have noticed is the reduction of sugar intake (as a
result of reduced carbs) has a dramatic effect on most people. Personally I
experienced significant increases in energy, I slept better and my brain was
not in a constant fog.

Also I have found that exercise is non-negotiable on any diet, low fat or
low carb.  But with the extra energy I suddenly had, exercise was much more
productive and less painful than it had ever been.

Gary

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Re: Low-Carb Diet

2002-10-21 Thread Steve Sloan II
The Fool wrote:

 So why did a seemingly unhealthy diet not affect indicators of
 cardiovascular risk? In an interview with Reuters Health, Brehm
 suggested that the benefits of losing more weight may offset the
 disadvantages associated with high fat and cholesterol. Perhaps
 it's weight loss that causes the positive results (in
 cardiovascular risk factors)...and it isn't dependent on the
 diet, she said.

Or perhaps orthodox dieticians and nutritionists are completely
clueless... They certainly look that way, considering all the
foods they decide are bad for you one day, then they're OK or
even *good* for you the next. Eggs are a good example.

 Although the LCHP diet helped dieters shed more pounds than
 the low-fat regimen, Brehm cautioned that much more research
 is needed before consumers can consider this program to be
 safe and effective. More research does need to be done
 before I think you can make any kind of recommendation as to
 what you should follow, she said.

The same is true for their recommendations. How much actual,
unbiased research have they done on low-fat diets?
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Re: Low-Carb Diet

2002-10-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- The Fool wrote:

http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=healthnewsStoryID=1608044
 
 Low-Carb Diet Deemed Safe over Short Term 
 October 21, 2002 01:42 PM ET  
   
 By Alison McCook 
 PHILADELPHIA (Reuters Health) - People who follow a
 low-carbohydrate,
 high-protein diet for 6 months may lose more weight
 than those on a
 standard low-fat diet, and they appear to experience
 no cardiovascular problems as a result. 
 However, study author Dr. Bonnie J. Brehm of the
 University of Cincinnati
 in Ohio told Reuters Health that despite the
 apparent short-term benefits
 of the low-carbohydrate, high-protein (LCHP) diet,
 this option may not be healthy in the long run... 

 The current study is based on results from 53 obese
 women, half of whom
 were asked to follow the LCHP diet, in which less
 than 10% of their
 calories came from carbohydrates. The rest of the
 women followed a
 standard low-fat diet, in which fat made up only 30%
 of their total calories. 

Please note that number: 53.  Which means 26 or 27
were on the Atkins-type diet.  This *is*not* a
sufficient number of subjects on which to base a
conclusion that should apply to the population at
large (although it would be useful in the case of a
rapidly fatal or extremely rare disorder, such as
carnitase deficiency).  There are millions of people
in the US alone who are obese, have diabetes,
hypertension and/or heart disease; any trial which I
am going to base treatment upon had better have
_thousands_ in the final stage studies, and should
follow long-term outcomes as well.  Quite a few drugs,
treatments or other interventions have been found over
the years to have significant impact on a population
of patients in the short-term, only to have the
benefits shrivel at the 1 or 2 or 3 year mark (frex,
use of the Swan-Ganz catheter).

snip
 In an interview with Reuters Health, Dr. Meir
 Stampfer of Harvard
 University said that the current study was well
 conducted, but he agreed
 that 6 months is not long enough to determine if the
 LCHP diet is safe over the long term. 
 However, he added that low-fat diets are often
 unsatisfying for dieters,
 because many carbohydrates--a common source of
 low-fat foods--cause a
 rapid rise and fall of blood sugar, leaving eaters
 hungrier sooner than
 after eating protein and other foods with the same
 number of calories. 
 But the alternative does not have to be diets that
 are high in protein
 and fats, he added. Rather, Stampfer said that he
 recommends that people
 follow a reasonable diet, consisting of moderate
 levels of protein and fat. 

Well, there's a brand-new concept!  Moderation in diet
instead of jumping on the lastest gee-whiz guru's
plan?!  Gosh...isn't that what our mothers and
grandmothers said?  
OK, had to vent a little sarcasm there. :P )

1]  Low-carb diets do work for many people in the
short run; burning proteins and fats for fuel takes
more energy for the body (ie it's more difficult) than
burning simple (or nearly-simple) carbs like sugar (or
refined-flour pasta), so the body does burn more
calories to digest (and eliminate) these foods.

2]  Burning protein as fuel creates 'dirtier'
by-products containing nitrogen and sulfur compounds,
which makes the kidneys (and liver) work harder to
eliminate, whereas pure carbs 'burn' to carbon dioxide
and water. (Compare burning coal to natural gas.)
Persons with significant kidney or liver problems
should not go on such a diet.  We don't know the
long-term effects of such a diet on the average
person.  [I think I pointed out in an earlier post
that the Inuit, adapted for centuries to their
meat/blubber diet, should not be seen as
representative of the average American.  :) )

3]  Another diet guru (the name escapes me at the
moment) advises no meat, little fat (primarily from
nuts and olive oil - possibly some fish too?), and
quantities of vegetables, with complex whole-grains;
if you can stick to such a restrictive regimen, weight
loss also occurs.  (And possibly favorable alterations
in cholesterol and heart disease, but again, more
research is needed.)

4]  It may well be that there are different
populations who will respond more favorably to one or
the other types of diet, thus individuals for whom
weight loss _and maintenance_ is better accomplished
by that diet.  Right now it's trial-and-error.

5]  Diet without exercise is, in the long haul, of
limited benefit (unless one was eating a Big Mac
Extra-Size Meal 7 days a week and changed that to
tuna-and-yogurt! :D ).

(There are conditions, such as gluten-sensitivity, for
which the proper diet can be truly life-altering for
the afflicted person; I am not belittling the impact
and benefit of such a change for these people.  Often
they have not been properly diagnosed; medicine has a
long way to go before arriving at Voyager's Sickbay.)

My personal take on weight loss and then maintenance
is portion control, at least 5 hours/week of moderate
exercise that you enjoy (frex, I count

Re: Low-Carb Diet

2002-10-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Deborah Harrell wrote:
snip
 3]  Another diet guru (the name escapes me at the
 moment) advises no meat, little fat (primarily from
 nuts and olive oil - possibly some fish too?), and
 quantities of vegetables, with complex whole-grains;
 if you can stick to such a restrictive regimen,
 weight loss also occurs.  (And possibly favorable
 alterations
 in cholesterol and heart disease, but again, more
 research is needed.)

I think it is Dean Ornish: no meat whatsoever
(including fish).  This is a WebMD compilation of the
various popular diets; I think they're fairly
well-balanced in their presentation.  

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/3539.113?z=1728_0_1000_pl_01

Mmm - Chocolate... Maru

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