RE: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator
Ronn!Blankenship forwarded: ST. LOUIS Jan. 6 Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton apologized for joking that Mahatma Gandhi used to run a gas station in St. Louis, saying it was a lame attempt at humor. The director of a U.S. center devoted to Gandhi's teachings said the remarks amounted to stereotyping and were insensitive. There are just two ways for this to make sense: A] Gujjus run a lot of gas stations in the US? Is that true? B] People think of Gandhi as a gujju first and an Indian second...? This seems kind of unbelievable to me but then I am sitting many a continents away. Ritu, who had to read the article through twice and then think for 2 minutes before guessing what might have caused offense ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator
ritu wrote: Ronn!Blankenship forwarded: ST. LOUIS Jan. 6 Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton apologized for joking that Mahatma Gandhi used to run a gas station in St. Louis, saying it was a lame attempt at humor. The director of a U.S. center devoted to Gandhi's teachings said the remarks amounted to stereotyping and were insensitive. There are just two ways for this to make sense: A] Gujjus run a lot of gas stations in the US? Is that true? B] People think of Gandhi as a gujju first and an Indian second...? This seems kind of unbelievable to me but then I am sitting many a continents away. Ritu, who had to read the article through twice and then think for 2 minutes before guessing what might have caused offense Ritu-- Good to hear from you on this. (Now if I only knew what a 'gujju' was...) Around here, most foreign convenience store clerks seem to be Pakastani or Iranian. But you know how bigots are, they usually are not that picky about who they are prejudiced against. ---David (Yes, it was a LAME attempt at humor. But I'll still vote for her again.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator
- Original Message - From: ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:06 AM Subject: RE: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator Ronn!Blankenship forwarded: ST. LOUIS Jan. 6 Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton apologized for joking that Mahatma Gandhi used to run a gas station in St. Louis, saying it was a lame attempt at humor. The director of a U.S. center devoted to Gandhi's teachings said the remarks amounted to stereotyping and were insensitive. There are just two ways for this to make sense: A] Gujjus run a lot of gas stations in the US? Is that true? B] People think of Gandhi as a gujju first and an Indian second...? This seems kind of unbelievable to me but then I am sitting many a continents away. A significant fraction of gas stations/convenience stores in the US are run by people from the Indian sub-continent. An example of this is the owner who graduated first in a class of 100,000 from C.I.T.* on the Simpsons. Its a bit of a stereotype, but not really a bad one. Its more of a generalization. Almost everyone has had personal dealings with someone from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh in a convenience store; and for many that's their only/main way of encountering folks from that area. Dan M. *Calcutta Institute of Technology. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator
--- ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are just two ways for this to make sense: A] Gujjus run a lot of gas stations in the US? Is that true? B] People think of Gandhi as a gujju first and an Indian second...? This seems kind of unbelievable to me but then I am sitting many a continents away. Ritu, who had to read the article through twice and then think for 2 minutes before guessing what might have caused offense Indians run a lot of gas stations in the US. Also hotels and software companies. At a rough guess, almost no one in the US not of Indian descent will have the faintest idea what a Guju is. I would be surprised if anyone else on the list knows, for example. = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator
--- David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ritu-- Good to hear from you on this. (Now if I only knew what a 'gujju' was...) Around here, most foreign convenience store clerks seem to be Pakastani or Iranian. But you know how bigots are, they usually are not that picky about who they are prejudiced against. ---David I tend to think that only a professional grievance-seeker would be offended by this. I'm proud that Indians are working in gas stations and convenience stores - that's the first step on the ladder of the American Dream, and good for them for getting out there and working hard instead of sitting on their ass complaining about racism and the oppression of American society. I don't think there's anything demeaning about it at all, and I don't think any less of Hillary for making the joke. She has been a surprisingly good Senator and is, with Joe Lieberman, one of the handful of really effective and reasonable voices on foreign policy in the Democratic Party. My opinion of her has never been higher, and I can't imagine that this little thing will do her any harm. = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:39:24 -0800 (PST) --- ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are just two ways for this to make sense: A] Gujjus run a lot of gas stations in the US? Is that true? B] People think of Gandhi as a gujju first and an Indian second...? This seems kind of unbelievable to me but then I am sitting many a continents away. Ritu, who had to read the article through twice and then think for 2 minutes before guessing what might have caused offense Indians run a lot of gas stations in the US. Also hotels and software companies. At a rough guess, almost no one in the US not of Indian descent will have the faintest idea what a Guju is. I would be surprised if anyone else on the list knows, for example. Hmmm. Is it slang for Gujaratis? Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator
--- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. Is it slang for Gujaratis? Jon Oooh, well done :-) Got it in one. I will claim partial credit in that you didn't _know_, you had to figure it out :-) = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:58 AM Subject: RE: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator --- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. Is it slang for Gujaratis? Jon Oooh, well done :-) Got it in one. I will claim partial credit in that you didn't _know_, you had to figure it out :-) Tying in several parts of this thread, I saw this study while referencing Gunjaratis www.isnie.org/ISNIE02/Papers02/kalnins.pdf - Our empirical setting is the lodging industry in Texas. Within this industry, we study one specific ethnically based group: hotel owners who are immigrants from the Indian state of Gujarat. Gujaratis currently play an important role in this industry - as a group they own a significant percent of non-luxury hotels in the United States. In Texas in 1999, Gujaratis owned 35% of independent hotels and over 50% of motels unaffiliated with national chains. Further, they owned over 50% of properties affiliated with Days Inn, Econolodge, Comfort Inn, and Super Eight. He doesn't discuss gas stations, but the same sorta thing does apply there. Indeed, when I saw run a gas station in the joke, I was not thinking of a $6.00/hour worker, but either the manager or the manager/owner...because clerks don't run the business. Dan M. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:54:44 -0800 (PST) --- David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ritu-- Good to hear from you on this. (Now if I only knew what a 'gujju' was...) Around here, most foreign convenience store clerks seem to be Pakastani or Iranian. But you know how bigots are, they usually are not that picky about who they are prejudiced against. ---David I tend to think that only a professional grievance-seeker would be offended by this. After reading the article, I wondered if Apu from the Simpsons also drew ire when he first debuted. I'm proud that Indians are working in gas stations and convenience stores - that's the first step on the ladder of the American Dream, and good for them for getting out there and working hard instead of sitting on their ass complaining about racism and the oppression of American society. Hear, hear. I don't think there's anything demeaning about it at all, and I don't think any less of Hillary for making the joke. This makes the email rounds every once in a while. Check the last bullet: You Live in New York City If... * You say the city and expect everyone to know that this means Manhattan. * You have never been to the Statue of Liberty or the Empire State Building. * The subway makes sense to you, and the subway should never be called anything like the Metro. * You believe that being able to swear at people in their own language makes you multilingual. * Your door has more than three locks and is made of steel. * You think Central Park is nature. * You pay more each month to park your car than most people in the US pay on their mortgage. * You haven't seen more than 12 stars in the night sky since you went away to camp as a kid. * You pay $5 without blinking for a beer that cost the bar 28 cents. * You have 27 different take-out menus next to your telephone. * Going to Brooklyn is considered a road trip. Of course, you only go there to attend weddings or funerals. * America west of the Hudson is still theoretical to you. * You have jaywalking down to an art form. You're born with it. * You take a taxi to get to your health club to exercise. * You don't hear sirens anymore. * You live in a building with a larger population than most American towns. * Your doorman is Russian, your grocer is Korean, your deli man is Israeli, your building super is Italian, your laundry guy is Chinese, your favorite bartender is Irish, your favorite diner owner is Greek, the watch-seller on your corner is Senegalese, your last cabbie was Pakistani, your newsstand guy is Indian, your favorite falafel guy is Egyptian, and your neighbor is Swedish... She has been a surprisingly good Senator and is, with Joe Lieberman, one of the handful of really effective and reasonable voices on foreign policy in the Democratic Party. I've been happier than I expected. My vote for her a few years ago was more of a strike against Rick Lazio than a Hillary endorsement. Lazio ran a nasty, vile campaign and his most vocal advocate, Al D'Amato had lost an election in '98 to Schumer for similar tactics. I'm also impressed that she's kept one very important campaign promise to New Yorkers: she's not running for President. She repeatedly stated in 2000 that she would serve a full term and not abandon the state for a presidential run if elected. Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator
Jon Gabriel wrote: After reading the article, I wondered if Apu from the Simpsons also drew ire when he first debuted. Safety in numbers. The show has slurred just about every nationality or minority I can think of, so Apu got lost in the flood. :-) __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Science Fiction-themed online store . http://www.sloan3d.com/store Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator
- Original Message - From: ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:06 AM Subject: RE: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator Ronn!Blankenship forwarded: ST. LOUIS Jan. 6 Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton apologized for joking that Mahatma Gandhi used to run a gas station in St. Louis, saying it was a lame attempt at humor. The director of a U.S. center devoted to Gandhi's teachings said the remarks amounted to stereotyping and were insensitive. There are just two ways for this to make sense: A] Gujjus run a lot of gas stations in the US? Is that true? B] People think of Gandhi as a gujju first and an Indian second...? This seems kind of unbelievable to me but then I am sitting many a continents away. Ritu, who had to read the article through twice and then think for 2 minutes before guessing what might have caused offense ** Americans are overly sensitive to insensitivity. xponent An Irritant Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator
At 06:23 PM 1/7/04, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:06 AM Subject: RE: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator Ronn!Blankenship forwarded: ST. LOUIS Jan. 6 Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton apologized for joking that Mahatma Gandhi used to run a gas station in St. Louis, saying it was a lame attempt at humor. The director of a U.S. center devoted to Gandhi's teachings said the remarks amounted to stereotyping and were insensitive. There are just two ways for this to make sense: A] Gujjus run a lot of gas stations in the US? Is that true? B] People think of Gandhi as a gujju first and an Indian second...? This seems kind of unbelievable to me but then I am sitting many a continents away. Ritu, who had to read the article through twice and then think for 2 minutes before guessing what might have caused offense ** Americans are overly sensitive to insensitivity. If, frex, Elizabeth Dole or Ann Coulter had said the same thing . . . ? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator
- Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: Re: SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator At 06:23 PM 1/7/04, Robert Seeberger wrote: Americans are overly sensitive to insensitivity. If, frex, Elizabeth Dole or Ann Coulter had said the same thing . . . ? Dole is not so bad and would likely catch only a smaller bit of heat than Clinton. Coulter on the other hand comes from the same kind of toilet as Rush Limbaugh, so a similar comment would be interpreted in the context of her OTT oeuvre. xponent Burn The Bitch Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn! wrote: If, frex, Elizabeth Dole or Ann Coulter had said the same thing . . . ? Or Ronald Regan, oh he of non stick coating...? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
SCOUTED: Case of Foot-in-Mouth Disease Found in New York Senator
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040106_1188.html Hillary Clinton Regrets Gandhi Joke Hillary Clinton Says She Regrets Joking That Gandhi Used to Run a Gas Station in St. Louis The Associated Press ST. LOUIS Jan. 6 Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton apologized for joking that Mahatma Gandhi used to run a gas station in St. Louis, saying it was a lame attempt at humor. The New York Democrat made the remark at a fund-raiser Saturday. During an event here for Senate candidate Nancy Farmer, Clinton introduced a quote from Gandhi by saying, He ran a gas station down in St. Louis. After laughter from many in the crowd of at least 200 subsided, the former first lady continued, No, Mahatma Gandhi was a great leader of the 20th century. In a nod to Farmer's underdog status against Republican Sen. Kit Bond, Clinton quoted the Indian independence leader as saying: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. The director of a U.S. center devoted to Gandhi's teachings said the remarks amounted to stereotyping and were insensitive. After being approached by The Associated Press to clarify the remarks, Clinton suggested in a statement late Monday that she never meant to fuel the stereotype often used as a comedic punch line that certain ethnic groups run America's gas stations. I have admired the work and life of Mahatma Gandhi and have spoken publicly about that many times, Clinton said. I truly regret if a lame attempt at humor suggested otherwise. Michelle Naef, administrator of the M.K. Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence, a Memphis, Tenn.-based organization founded in 1991 by a Gandhi grandson, credited Clinton and her husband, former President Clinton, with long having supported the Gandhi message. But she said Saturday's remarks could be incredibly harmful. I don't think she was, in any way, trying to demean Mahatma Gandhi, Naef said. To be generous to her, I would say it was a poor attempt at humor. Perhaps I'm overly sensitive, but I find it offensive when people use stereotypes in that way. On the Net: M.K. Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence Copyright 2003 The Associated Press. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
