Don't drink and drive: Smoke marijuana and drive
I got this from another list... Maybe that's why Clinton was better than Bush II... Alberto Monteiro http://peety-passion.com/relax/2007/11/27/stoned-drivers-are-safe-drivers/ Stoned drivers are safe drivers November 27th, 2007 | $B*(B marijuana Two decades of research show that marijuana use may actually reduce driver accidents. The effects of marijuana use on driving performance have been extensively researched over the last 20 years. All major studies show that marijuana consumption has little or no effect on driving ability, and may actually reduce accidents. Here's a summary of the biggest studies into pot use and driving. A 1983 study by the US National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) concluded that the only significant affect of cannabis use was slower driving - arguably a positive effect of driving high. A comprehensive 1992 NHTSA study revealed that pot is rarely involved in driving accidents, except when combined with alcohol. The study concluded that the THC-only drivers had an [accident] responsibility rate below that of the drug free drivers. This study was buried for six years and not released until 1998. A 1993 NHTSA study dosed Dutch drivers with THC and tested them on real Dutch roads. It concluded that THC caused no impairment except for a slight deficiency in the driver's ability to maintain a steady lateral position on the road. This means that the THC-dosed drivers had a little trouble staying smack in the center of their lanes, but showed no other problems. The study noted that the effects of even high doses of THC were far less than that of alcohol or many prescription drugs. The study concluded that THC's adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small. A massive 1998 study by the University of Adelaide and Transport South Australia examined blood samples from drivers involved in 2,500 accidents. It found that drivers with only cannabis in their systems were slightly less likely to cause accidents than those without. Drivers with both marijuana and alcohol did have a high accident responsibility rate. The report concluded, there was no indication that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents. In Canada, a 1999 University of Toronto meta-analysis of studies into pot and driving showed that drivers who consumed a moderate amount of pot typically refrained from passing cars and drove at a more consistent speed. The analysis also confirmed that marijuana taken alone does not increase a driver's risk of causing an accident. A major study done by the UK Transport Research Laboratory in 2000 found that drivers under the influence of cannabis were more cautious and less likely to drive dangerously. The study examined the effects of marijuana use on drivers through four weeks of tests on driving simulators. The study was commissioned specifically to show that marijuana was impairing, and the british government was embarrassed with the study's conclusion that marijuana users drive more safely under the influence of cannabis. According to the Cannabis and Driving report, a comprehensive literature review published in 2000 by the UK Department of Transportation, the majority of evidence suggests that cannabis use may result in a lower risk of [accident] culpability. The Canadian Senate issued a major report into all aspects of marijuana in 2002. Their chapter on Driving under the influence of cannabis concludes that Cannabis alone, particularly in low doses, has little effect on the skills involved in automobile driving. The most recent study into drugs and driving was published in the July 2004 Journal of Accident Analysis and Prevention. Researchers at the Dutch Institute for Road Safety Research analyzed blood tests from those in traffic accidents, and found that even people with blood alcohol between 0.5% and 0.8% (below the legal limit) had a five-fold increase in the risk of serious accident. Drivers above the legal alcohol limit were 15 times more likely to have a collision. Drugs like Valium and Rohypnol produced results similar to alcohol, while cocaine and opiates showed only a small but not statistically significant increase in accident risk. As for the marijuana-only users? They showed absolutely no increased risk of accidents at all. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 04:21 AM Wednesday 11/28/2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote: I got this from another list... Maybe that's why Clinton was better than Bush II... Alberto Monteiro http://peety-passion.com/relax/2007/11/27/stoned-drivers-are-safe-drivers/ Stoned drivers are safe drivers November 27th, 2007 | $B*(B A massive 1998 study by the University of Adelaide and Transport South Australia examined blood samples from drivers involved in 2,500 accidents. It found that drivers with only cannabis in their systems were slightly less likely to cause accidents than those without. Drivers with both marijuana and alcohol did have a high accident responsibility rate. So presumably the decrease in accident rate due to cannabis alone is not enough to offset the increase due to alcohol alone, and leaving unstated whether accident rate (marijuana + EtOH) = accident rate (EtOH alone) or accident rate (marijuana + EtOH) accident rate (EtOH alone). The report concluded, there was no indication that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents. But does it increase the risk when used in conjunction with other drugs? 'Cuz in my admittedly limited observation of such things there appear to be a number of people who use both at the same time or nearly so (IOW they may finish the beer and then light up or something like that). Another question is based on the observation that people who drink alcohol do not always refrain from doing so when they are taking Rx or OTC medications and that sometimes alcohol and the other medication react synergistically to frex make the person significantly more drowsy than s/he would be on either alcohol alone or the medication alone. Does marijuana have a similar effect when mixed with other things the person may already be taking? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Dave Land wrote: This brings to mind the long-standing question, what is the big deal about marijuana, anyway? America, anyway, has had this stupid Reefer Madness mentality for far too long, especially given that a far, far more dangerous drug is available in numerous forms at the supermarket or neighborhood liquor store. It has to do with someone's vast forests earlier in the century and wanting to keep paper production restricted to wood pulp. IIRC. Can't remember who, though, to back it up with lots of reference or anything. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Nov 28, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 04:21 AM Wednesday 11/28/2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Maybe that's why Clinton was better than Bush II... A better driver? I don't have any data on that. My own personal feelings on the matter of notwithstanding, I think the jury is still out for some Americans whether Clinton I was a better president than Bush II. Of course, some Americans still think there was a link between Iraq and 9/11. Evidently, some Americans couldn't find their own asses with both hands and a map. A massive 1998 study by the University of Adelaide and Transport South Australia examined blood samples from drivers involved in 2,500 accidents. It found that drivers with only cannabis in their systems were slightly less likely to cause accidents than those without. Drivers with both marijuana and alcohol did have a high accident responsibility rate. So presumably the decrease in accident rate due to cannabis alone is not enough to offset the increase due to alcohol alone, and leaving unstated whether accident rate (marijuana + EtOH) = accident rate (EtOH alone) or accident rate (marijuana + EtOH) accident rate (EtOH alone). Or, for the sake of completeness: accident rate (THC + EtOH) accident rate (EtOH alone)? It was not clear to me whether the beneficial effects of THC were able to compensate for some of the deleterious effects of EtOH, but that would be a nice finding. The report concluded, there was no indication that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents. But does it increase the risk when used in conjunction with other drugs? 'Cuz in my admittedly limited observation of such things there appear to be a number of people who use both at the same time or nearly so (IOW they may finish the beer and then light up or something like that). Another question is based on the observation that people who drink alcohol do not always refrain from doing so when they are taking Rx or OTC medications and that sometimes alcohol and the other medication react synergistically to frex make the person significantly more drowsy than s/he would be on either alcohol alone or the medication alone. Does marijuana have a similar effect when mixed with other things the person may already be taking? This brings to mind the long-standing question, what is the big deal about marijuana, anyway? America, anyway, has had this stupid Reefer Madness mentality for far too long, especially given that a far, far more dangerous drug is available in numerous forms at the supermarket or neighborhood liquor store. Not to say that I would replace my consumption of drink responsibly quantities of that dangerous drug with marijuana, because I don't want to fsck up my lungs. My mother and brother were both killed by lung cancer, so I suspect I should keep mine clean for as long as I can. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Smoke marijuana and drive
I got this from another list... Maybe that's why Clinton was better than Bush II... Alberto Monteiro http://peety-passion.com/relax/2007/11/27/stoned-drivers-are-safe-drivers/ speaking for myself, i would not risk driving stone-ed, especially with the high quality hydroponic, genetically enhanced herb on the market these days. jon - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Dave Land wrote: Not to say that I would replace my consumption of drink responsibly quantities of that dangerous drug with marijuana, because I don't want to fsck up my lungs. My mother and brother were both killed by lung cancer, so I suspect I should keep mine clean for as long as I can. Marijuana doesn't fsck the lungs, it fscks neurons - and you have only two lungs, so why bother in losing a few million neurons when you have billions? Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Nov 28, 2007, at 11:18 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Dave Land wrote: Not to say that I would replace my consumption of drink responsibly quantities of that dangerous drug with marijuana, because I don't want to fsck up my lungs. My mother and brother were both killed by lung cancer, so I suspect I should keep mine clean for as long as I can. Marijuana doesn't fsck the lungs, it fscks neurons - and you have only two lungs, so why bother in losing a few million neurons when you have billions? I know that the brilliance of my posts to the list suggest that I have bags and bags of neurons to spare, but the fact is that I already have a sizable hole in my brain where a nice, friendly mixed oligoastrocytoma was removed in 2003. Thus, my lungs _and_ my neurons may be in shorter supply than your average Brineller. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 12:49 PM Wednesday 11/28/2007, Dave Land wrote: On Nov 28, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 04:21 AM Wednesday 11/28/2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote: It found that drivers with only cannabis in their systems were slightly less likely to cause accidents than those without. Drivers with both marijuana and alcohol did have a high accident responsibility rate. IOW accident rate (THC) (slightly) accident rate (nothing), but accident rate (THC + EtOH) accident rate (nothing). *** So presumably the decrease in accident rate due to cannabis alone is not enough to offset the increase due to alcohol alone ***, and leaving unstated whether accident rate (marijuana + EtOH) = accident rate (EtOH alone) or accident rate (marijuana + EtOH) accident rate (EtOH alone). Or, for the sake of completeness: accident rate (THC + EtOH) accident rate (EtOH alone)? Covered in the first part of the question. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Alberto Monteiro wrote: http://peety-passion.com/relax/2007/11/27/stoned-drivers-are-safe-drivers/ Stoned drivers are safe drivers Two decades of research show that marijuana use may actually reduce driver accidents. I can't be the only one who thought this was going to be a Bill Hicks routine, can I? Jim Arizona Bay Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 11/28/2007 4:55:58 PM, Jim Sharkey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Alberto Monteiro wrote: http://peety-passion.com/relax/2007/11/27/stoned-drivers-are-safe- drivers/ Stoned drivers are safe drivers Two decades of research show that marijuana use may actually reduce driver accidents. I can't be the only one who thought this was going to be a Bill Hicks routine, can I? You mean Beelzebozo? xponent Relentless maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
