Re: Two Weeks To Go
William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 20 Oct 2008, at 18:37, Jim Sharkey wrote: > > That fact is amazing to me. > Choosing Palin for VP is amazing too. All politics is amazing to me. Or perhaps depressing is a better word. In my dreams, I'd vote for a politician with a promise like this in a heartbeat: "I promise to spend your money and act like I am doing all sorts of things for your own good, but I will spend LESS of your money than the other guy." The only honest campaigns are negative ones (but obviously not the converse). __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 20 Oct 2008, at 13:21, Euan Ritchie wrote: > >> The Presidency is now a poisoned chalice. > > If Obama wins, as seems likely, an unambiguous majority and gets a > decent mandate I'm curious what he'll do with it. > > The poor guy is being hailed as if a messiah and no doubt is going to > disappoint some by not being able to magic wealth enough to balance > budgets and world friendship for the U.S out of thin air. > Inflation and unemployment will rise, real incomes will fall, the mess in Iraq and Afghanistan will get messier. The opposition will claim they could have done better. Politics as usual Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 20 Oct 2008, at 18:37, Jim Sharkey wrote: > Olin wrote: > >> As much as I disagree with McCain on just about everything, I >> really do believe that he's better than the people who are running >> his >campaign. But of course, since he made the choice to let >> those people -- the same people who savaged him in 2000 when he was >> >running against Bush -- control his campaign, the responsibility >> is his. He made a deal with the devil's of the right, who he had >> >previously opposed. I think that'st the root of a lot of the >> ambiguity in his campaign though. > > That fact is amazing to me. The very same people who whispered > eight years ago that 5.5 years as a prisoner of war made McCain > unstable and untrustworthy spent months using that same heroic > survival tale as a clarion call to dismiss legitimate questions > about the man. I'd ask how those people sleep at night, but since I > know that answer is probably "On a large pile of money, with many > beautiful ladies" I guess I know how after all. Choosing Palin for VP is amazing too. And McCain looks 3/4 dead. Obviously they planned to lose but the shit hit the fan too soon to blame it on Obama :-) Conspiracy Theories Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Olin wrote: >As much as I disagree with McCain on just about everything, I really do >believe that he's better than the people who are running his >campaign. But >of course, since he made the choice to let those people -- the same people who >savaged him in 2000 when he was >running against Bush -- control his campaign, >the responsibility is his. He made a deal with the devil's of the right, who >he had >previously opposed. I think that'st the root of a lot of the >ambiguity in his campaign though. That fact is amazing to me. The very same people who whispered eight years ago that 5.5 years as a prisoner of war made McCain unstable and untrustworthy spent months using that same heroic survival tale as a clarion call to dismiss legitimate questions about the man. I'd ask how those people sleep at night, but since I know that answer is probably "On a large pile of money, with many beautiful ladies" I guess I know how after all. Jim Cognitive Dissonance Maru Photo Search Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://tagline.excite.com/fc/JkJQPTgKO6IgyvfXnhcRBqty9qU8AJ4ygqevmOv1h6ImvMWoleGckk/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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>how come the McCain that was >delivering such good lines in the roast doesn't seem to be the same >one that's running for President??). >Charlie. Probably the same reason the funny, intelligent, passionate Al Gore who promotes "An Inconvenient Truth" isn't the same as the carboard robot who ran for President (and still almost beat Bush). If that guy had been on the ticket we wouldn't be in this mess now. As much as I disagree with McCain on just about everything, I really do believe that he's better than the people who are running his campaign. But of course, since he made the choice to let those people -- the same people who savaged him in 2000 when he was running against Bush -- control his campaign, the responsibility is his. He made a deal with the devil's of the right, who he had previously opposed. I think that'st the root of a lot of the ambiguity in his campaign though. Olin - Original Message - From: Charlie Bell<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion<mailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Two Weeks To Go On 20/10/2008, at 4:24 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: > But how amazing would it be if Obama does win? I'd have told you a > year ago that there was no way in hell that an African American could > compete for the presidency, let alone be the favorite with a few weeks > to go. The unfortunate thing is that the country is so f**ked up now > that it really will take a superman to have any appreciable success in > one term. The good thing is that I think we get a lot of respect back > from the other nations of the world just by electing him. And more so if it's an umambiguous landslide. Yes, you're absolutely right. Anyway, I just thought I should say that despite the lack of onlist chatter, some of us abroad are watching closely (I watched the first two debates in their entirety, and highlights of the third, and the roast from the dinner the other night - how come the McCain that was delivering such good lines in the roast doesn't seem to be the same one that's running for President??). Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l<http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l> ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Two Weeks To Go
> The Presidency is now a poisoned chalice. If Obama wins, as seems likely, an unambiguous majority and gets a decent mandate I'm curious what he'll do with it. The poor guy is being hailed as if a messiah and no doubt is going to disappoint some by not being able to magic wealth enough to balance budgets and world friendship for the U.S out of thin air. But he could do some momentous things if he has the will and courage. Acting immediately to dismantle the mechanisms of state terror that have been levelled against the U.S citizenry to cowe them from confronting the ruling kleptocracy would be nice. Doing something to bury Hamiltonian concepts of imperial presidents would be nice. Will he, I wonder, want to give up the power grabbed for the executive by Bush? Something I'm pretty sure he won't do is make a point of demonstrating the U.S is a country of laws by actively pursuing and prosecuting accomplices of executive crimes, though it's an nice daydream to have. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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And I can vote early starting today. Need to read up on the local candidates for county offices before I go, though, to make informed decisions there. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 20 Oct 2008, at 06:34, Charlie Bell wrote: > > Anyway, I just thought I should say that despite the lack of onlist > chatter, some of us abroad are watching closely (I watched the first > two debates in their entirety, and highlights of the third, and the > roast from the dinner the other night - how come the McCain that was > delivering such good lines in the roast doesn't seem to be the same > one that's running for President??). The Presidency is now a poisoned chalice. The fix Maru "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish." - Albert Einstein -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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And folks are voting by the drove already. My girlfriend and I voted early yesterday afternoon and they had had almost 2,500 people through the system for just that day. If enough people vote early, no October surprise will make a difference. --[Lance] -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 20/10/2008, at 4:24 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: > But how amazing would it be if Obama does win? I'd have told you a > year ago that there was no way in hell that an African American could > compete for the presidency, let alone be the favorite with a few weeks > to go. The unfortunate thing is that the country is so f**ked up now > that it really will take a superman to have any appreciable success in > one term. The good thing is that I think we get a lot of respect back > from the other nations of the world just by electing him. And more so if it's an umambiguous landslide. Yes, you're absolutely right. Anyway, I just thought I should say that despite the lack of onlist chatter, some of us abroad are watching closely (I watched the first two debates in their entirety, and highlights of the third, and the roast from the dinner the other night - how come the McCain that was delivering such good lines in the roast doesn't seem to be the same one that's running for President??). Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Charlie Bell wrote: > And then we find out if the US will continue its slide into theocracy > and demagoguery, or if there's at least a glimmer of hope in turning > what should be one of the world's great citizen nations back from the > brink. I think that the only things that can stop Obama now are either some sort of massive October surprise or the Bradly effect. I can only hope that the racists just stay home. Colin Powell's endorsement today today may give Obama a bump; independents that have been worried about security may be won over. > > I know there's not been a lot of election chatter this time round. I > suspect that's 'cause the last two have been so utterly disappointing > in terms of the way they panned out (not the result per se, that's a > different story, but the manner of the campaigns and the bad taste > from the Florida and Ohio debacles). And with the bizarre VP choice by > McCain and the pretty much totally negative campaign his team have > run, it's been a bit disturbing watching from across the water. But how amazing would it be if Obama does win? I'd have told you a year ago that there was no way in hell that an African American could compete for the presidency, let alone be the favorite with a few weeks to go. The unfortunate thing is that the country is so f**ked up now that it really will take a superman to have any appreciable success in one term. The good thing is that I think we get a lot of respect back from the other nations of the world just by electing him. Doug No on hate, no on 8 maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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And then we find out if the US will continue its slide into theocracy and demagoguery, or if there's at least a glimmer of hope in turning what should be one of the world's great citizen nations back from the brink. I know there's not been a lot of election chatter this time round. I suspect that's 'cause the last two have been so utterly disappointing in terms of the way they panned out (not the result per se, that's a different story, but the manner of the campaigns and the bad taste from the Florida and Ohio debacles). And with the bizarre VP choice by McCain and the pretty much totally negative campaign his team have run, it's been a bit disturbing watching from across the water. Charlie Who Can't See Russia From His House But Used To Be Able To See Gunfire From Warships Off Beirut Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
