more from the troll

2008-11-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
  duh; it was the only way i could become a home
 owner...
 
 So you wanted to own a home, and you chose to borrow
 money to achieve your desire. I don't see where the
 force is coming in.

okay, here we go again, troll.  are you having fun?   
if i wanted to achieve the american dream i would be forced to borrow at 
usurious terms.  here's how it works, banks borrow our money at low interest 
and turn around and loan it at whatever rate the market will bear, or the 
government will allow.  
now do you get it?  duh...
of course, i could choose to be a renter instead, and pay off someone else's 
mortgage.
double duh...
jon
now who are you, really, and what tax bracket???


  
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Re: more from the troll

2008-11-05 Thread Olin Elliott
of course, i could choose to be a renter instead, and pay off someone else's 
mortgage.
double duh...

But a lot of us made exactly that choice Jon -- we chose not to try and buy 
because we thought it was too risky and we weren't sure we'd be able to afford 
it in the future.  Granted, if I have a choice (which I may not) I'd rather see 
my tax dollars go to home owners, event those who possibly made unwise choices, 
than to banks and financial institutions.  But honestly, I'd rather not have to 
bail out either ...

Olin

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jon Louis Mannmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:55 PM
  Subject: more from the troll


duh; it was the only way i could become a home
   owner...
   
   So you wanted to own a home, and you chose to borrow
   money to achieve your desire. I don't see where the
   force is coming in.

  okay, here we go again, troll.  are you having fun?   
  if i wanted to achieve the american dream i would be forced to borrow at 
usurious terms.  here's how it works, banks borrow our money at low interest 
and turn around and loan it at whatever rate the market will bear, or the 
government will allow.  
  now do you get it?  duh...
  of course, i could choose to be a renter instead, and pay off someone 
else's mortgage.
  double duh...
  jon
  now who are you, really, and what tax bracket???



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more from the troll

2008-11-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
 of course, i could choose to be a renter
 instead, and pay off someone else's mortgage.
 double duh...

 But a lot of us made exactly that choice Jon -- we chose
 not to try and buy because we thought it was too risky and
 we weren't sure we'd be able to afford it in the
 future.  Granted, if I have a choice (which I may not)
 I'd rather see my tax dollars go to home owners, event
 those who possibly made unwise choices, than to banks and
 financial institutions.  But honestly, I'd rather not
 have to bail out either ...
 Olin

paying off the loan sharks hurts more, olin, but my alternative is to throw 
money down a hole to pay off my landlord's mortgage.  

why people mind paying taxes that benefit all of us (except for wars and 
bureaucratic waste) and don't mind the banks, brokers, and financial managers 
ripping us all off, is beyond me. 

as a socialist i would like to see more government programs like the g.i. bill, 
which made it possible for me to buy my first property, and from that i was 
able to buy a house.  i would have been less likely to default without the 
balloon payment, but i was lucky and flipped it in time to buy another house 
for cash.  

why should i have the luck of the draw and all those other suckers that caught 
when the bubble collapsed are losing their homes?  

the troll would say i should give him my house to appease my guilt, but he just 
likes to bait anyone who refute his laissez faire, libertarian, ayn randian 
rants.   
jon


  
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Re: more from the troll

2008-11-05 Thread John Williams
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 if i wanted to achieve the american dream i would be forced to borrow at 
 usurious terms.

So when you write forced in quotes, you really mean not forced. No
one forced you, or people like you, to borrow money at terms you did
not like. You chose to do so. Don't you think it is better to say what
one means and not to play with language to try to blame other people
for one's own choices?
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more from the troll

2008-11-05 Thread Jon Louis Mann
  if i wanted to achieve the american dream i would be
 forced to borrow at usurious terms.

 So when you write forced in quotes, you really mean
 not forced. No
 one forced you, or people like you, to borrow money at
 terms you did
 not like. You chose to do so. Don't you think it is
 better to say what
 one means and not to play with language to try to blame
 other people
 for one's own choices?
 
you know what i mean is more like a form of coercion under duress when one has 
no choice but to accept the banker's terms, since they control the regulators.

you are the one playing with context and giving your own spin to what i say by 
being picyune. i see how you nitpick, all the time on this site.  you look for 
any thing you can mock or attack.  
so you can ignore valid points you are unable to refute.
 
just so you don't think you drove me off, i will be starting back to work next 
month, so i won't have time to play your little mind games.  you will just have 
to get a life, or find someone else to bait.

the fact that you continue to avoid revealing who you really are, your tax 
bracket, and what you do for a living is further  proof you are a troll, or are 
you holding out for more money?   
jon  


  
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Re: more from the troll

2008-11-05 Thread John Williams
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 you know what i mean is more like a form of coercion under duress when one 
 has no choice but to accept the banker's terms, since they control the 
 regulators.

How exactly were you coerced under duress? Did they kidnap you and
take you to the bank, then refuse to allow you to leave until you
signed the loan? Or did you choose to go to the bank, and when given
the choice to sign or leave, you chose to sign?

Why blame someone else for one's own choices?
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