[Callers] Does THIS dance exist?

[Maia McCormick]

Holy Ghost (improper) by Maia McCormick
A1: neighbor gypsy (right)
half hey, women by L
A1: neighbor gypsy (right)
neighbor swing
B1: circle L 3/4
partner swing
B2: R/L through across
circle left 3/4 and pass through

Re: [Callers] Zesty Playford

[Alan Winston]

On 4/29/2013 11:57 AM, Colin Hume wrote:

On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:25:37 -0700, Alan Winston wrote:

My sense from reading your notes is that Zesty Playford is what I'd
think of (as an American who has danced English in the SF Bay Area,
Boston, etc) as good English dancing with extra playfulness.

I'm not sure that some Americans would class it as "good", since it
isn't the way they've been taught to dance English.
 I think of good English (in the US sense) as robust (with bursts of 
slipping and skipping as appropriate),  never mincing or plodding even 
to slow tunes, with movement from the chest, unafraid to use lots of space.






Questions: Is "Playford" the Brit usage where you mean what US
means by "English" dancing?  (Since the linked video is of Jenny
Pluck Pears, which fits both categories, I couldn't tell.)

Yes it is.  To us, "English" also includes "Traditional English" such
as Morpeth Rant and Cumberland Square Eight.
US English is where I had my first exposures to Morpeth Rant, Cumberland 
Square Eight,  Bonnets So Blue, Nottingham Swing, and Steamboat, 
although I'll agree that these are rarely done.
(For non-English-dancers playing along at home, US English includes 
"Historical" - stuff reconstructed (often  fancifully) from publications 
from 1650 forward, "Traditional" - stuff seen in "the wild" - and  what 
I'll call "Modern": a ton of stuff  choreographed and composed from the 
20th century forward.  (So in the US, dancers often dance to stuff 
choreographed by American Gary Roodman with music by American Jonathan 
Jensen, for example, but we still call it English.)  "Playford" in the 
strict sense would be  historical dance published by John or Henry 
Playford, but in the sense used in England now, if I understand it 
right, would be "Historical" (not just Playford but Walsh, Kynaston, 
Thompson, etc, etc) and Modern.


If I have this right, one might plausibly see Mayfair or Handel With 
Care (selected as examples of Modern English, although I now realize 
that they're both in more-or-less Historical style) at a Zesty Playford 
evening.  Is that right?


-- Alan

Re: [Callers] Does this dance exist?

[Michael Barraclough]

Twirl twirl was a typo.  It should just be (california) twirl.

On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 23:35 -0700, Michael Fuerst wrote:
> Seems like the men mostly stay on one side of the set.
> I'm not quite certain what is intended by twirl twirl
> 
> There is a similar dance which I heard Kathy Anderson call, which is I think 
> is much better.
> I don;t remember the name, but it goes like this (improper)
>   Circle left, Neighbors swing Circle left 3 places, partners 
> swing
>  Circle balance, women exchange places;   Circle balance, men 
> exchange places
>  Circle balance, shift and spin right one place;   Circle balance, 
> California twirl
>  
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> 
> 
> 
>  From: Michael Barraclough 
> To: ka...@sbcglobal.net; Caller's discussion list  
> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Does this dance exist?
>  
> 
> No, it's not the Love Shack.  This is a new dance which I "dreamed".  It
> doesn't have a name yet.
> 
> I also note that I have partner twirl twirl.  This is not a new move,
> it's a typo by me.  Should be partner twirl.
> 
> On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 19:21 -0700, Kalia Kliban wrote:
> > On 4/28/2013 7:18 PM, Michael Barraclough wrote:
> > > Longways Becket, progress right
> > >
> > > A1 Balance the ring, petronella, neighbor swing
> > > A2 Balance the ring, petronella, partner swing
> > > B1 Balance the ring, petronella, balance the ring, partner twirl twirl
> > > B2 Balance the ring, petronella, partner swing
> > 
> > Is that The Love Shack?
> > 
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Re: [Callers] Zesty Playford

[Colin Hume]

On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:25:37 -0700, Alan Winston wrote:
> My sense from reading your notes is that Zesty Playford is what I'd
> think of (as an American who has danced English in the SF Bay Area,
> Boston, etc) as good English dancing with extra playfulness.

I'm not sure that some Americans would class it as "good", since it
isn't the way they've been taught to dance English.

> Questions: Is "Playford" the Brit usage where you mean what US
> means by "English" dancing?  (Since the linked video is of Jenny
> Pluck Pears, which fits both categories, I couldn't tell.)

Yes it is.  To us, "English" also includes "Traditional English" such
as Morpeth Rant and Cumberland Square Eight.

> My brief experience of "Extreme" / "Trash" English was that it was
> really specifically an attempt to bring US-urban-contra aesthetic
> to English dance / music.  Music could be played sleazily, etc -
> but with energy.  Lots of twirls/flourishes.
>
> (In the video I was seeing some improv - in one set the women did
> an elbows-linked back-basket, which I'd never seen before - but not
> so much contra-style flourishes.  [Which I think are generally
> great in contra but must be used sparingly in English lest you lose
> the satisfaction in fitting the geography to the music.]  So I'm
> arguing that Extreme English seems not quite to be the same thing.
> I'd like to see all English over here be more Zesty.)

I agree with all of that.  Contra dancers in England don't do nearly
as many twirls as in the States.  And I would guess that most of the
people in that video also dance contra.  I've never seen an
elbows-linked back-basket before either!  I imagine it was
spontaneous.

Colin Hume

Re: [Callers] Does this dance exist?

[Yoyo Zhou]

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Michael Fuerst wrote:

> There is a similar dance which I heard Kathy Anderson call, which is I
> think is much better.
> I don;t remember the name, but it goes like this (improper)
>   Circle left, Neighbors swing Circle left 3 places,
> partners swing
>  Circle balance, women exchange places;   Circle balance, men
> exchange places
>  Circle balance, shift and spin right one place;   Circle balance,
> California twirl
>


Sounds like Lanny's Back by Erik Weberg (although his website has it as A1
neighbor gypsy and swing, and I've seen it called with neighbor balance and
swing).

Yoyo Zhou

Re: [Callers] Does this dance exist?

[Michael Fuerst]

Seems like the men mostly stay on one side of the set.
I'm not quite certain what is intended by twirl twirl

There is a similar dance which I heard Kathy Anderson call, which is I think is 
much better.
I don;t remember the name, but it goes like this (improper)
          Circle left, Neighbors swing         Circle left 3 places, partners 
swing
         Circle balance, women exchange places;   Circle balance, men exchange 
places
         Circle balance, shift and spin right one place;   Circle balance, 
California twirl
 
Michael Fuerst      802 N Broadway      Urbana IL 61801   217-239-5844



 From: Michael Barraclough 
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Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Does this dance exist?
 

No, it's not the Love Shack.  This is a new dance which I "dreamed".  It
doesn't have a name yet.

I also note that I have partner twirl twirl.  This is not a new move,
it's a typo by me.  Should be partner twirl.

On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 19:21 -0700, Kalia Kliban wrote:
> On 4/28/2013 7:18 PM, Michael Barraclough wrote:
> > Longways Becket, progress right
> >
> > A1 Balance the ring, petronella, neighbor swing
> > A2 Balance the ring, petronella, partner swing
> > B1 Balance the ring, petronella, balance the ring, partner twirl twirl
> > B2 Balance the ring, petronella, partner swing
> 
> Is that The Love Shack?
> 
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Re: [Callers] Does this dance exist?

[Michael Barraclough]

No, it's not the Love Shack.  This is a new dance which I "dreamed".  It
doesn't have a name yet.

I also note that I have partner twirl twirl.  This is not a new move,
it's a typo by me.  Should be partner twirl.

On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 19:21 -0700, Kalia Kliban wrote:
> On 4/28/2013 7:18 PM, Michael Barraclough wrote:
> > Longways Becket, progress right
> >
> > A1 Balance the ring, petronella, neighbor swing
> > A2 Balance the ring, petronella, partner swing
> > B1 Balance the ring, petronella, balance the ring, partner twirl twirl
> > B2 Balance the ring, petronella, partner swing
> 
> Is that The Love Shack?
> 
> Kalia
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