Re: [Cameramakers] Re:Helicoid focus

2002-02-22 Thread Robert Mueller

It has been a long time since I lived in the USA and so I do not know all 
the possibilities to fulfill this suggestion, but here I see very cheap 
lenses for 35 mm cameras now and then.  The condition may be bad, but if 
you want the mount and the glass is bad, who cares!!!  There is a 
problem; these mounts may be rather long and may be badly suited to an 
extreme wide angle lens.  You may even not be able to judge the true 
diameter of the hole you will have left after the glass is gone.  Still, 
you do get the nice thread and maybe a lot more.  With some imagination 
adapted to what you pick up you might be able to rescue enough of the real 
thing to solve your problem very efficiently.

My guess is that an ancient WA has small diameter elements unless it was 
made for a pretty large format.

If you find nothing at garage sales or flea markets, try begging!  You 
local photo shop might offer you some junk too bad to sell and not worth 
fixing because it would never bring the cost of improvement.  Get several, 
take them apart and select the one best suited for this problem and save 
the rest for other glass.

Bob


At 20:16 21.02.02 -0500, you wrote:
Is there a hardware store item that I can use to focus my 100-year old
extreme wide angle lens which I plan to use as a 5 X 7 point-n-shoot?

Marty

Hi to All:

 This is not really a hardware store item and is relatively more
expensive but not prohibitively so  The Pentax 6X7 helicoid extension
tube which can be had for $100 + or - . Just make a lensboard to attach to
the front of it ect. ect.-- scribe a focusing scale on it- ect. I have not
done it, but think it very feasible!
Regards,

LARRY (nieland)

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[Cameramakers] Test of Aero Ektar 178 mm

2002-02-22 Thread Robert Mueller

There is somebody offering an Aero Ektar at ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1334394605

I believe anybody who can read the German text might enjoy the 
information.  Indeed, you can probably guess enough to make sense out of 
the numerical values even without reading German.  I was amazed how good 
this lens is and the report might encourage some of you to grab the first 
one offered to you.  After remounting in a shutter (or with a Packard), 
this lens ought to satisfy the needs of almost all doing 4x5 (9cmx12cm) on 
a shoestring.  And how many of us can even find alternatives offering F2.5 
for 4x5 format?

What I also hope is that some reader of this group might have a source of 
the entire report from Hubble.  The test results in all their detail would 
be nice to have and according  to  the ebay seller, the Hubble report 
compared various aerial lenses.  You would be doing all of us a service if 
you could supply a copy of the report to anyone wanting it.  I, for one 
would gladly pay a bit for a photocopy, postage and other costs of the 
person who can get hands on this document and distribute it.

The sad news is that Surplus Shed does not currently have any to sell to 
you, but they will no doubt again appear.  I am thankful to have mine, 
already, but now I am driven to remount it!

Bob

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Re: [Cameramakers] Test of Aero Ektar 178 mm

2002-02-22 Thread Gene Johnson

Hi All,

Great info on the Aero Ektar.  I've been looking for a deal on one of those
for a while myself.  Gonna be harder now. I am just putting the finishing
touches on a 4x5 ( Man I'm slow) that uses Aero lenses.  There are quire a
few Aero lenses available right now.  The Military is going digital in a big
way, and most of the tactical recon stuff is going on the surplus market.
A company called C H Sales in Pasadena has a lot of surplus Aero lenses as
well as Surplus shack.  Be warned though.  These lenses are big!  The three
inch lens for my camera is absolutely amazing to look at but weighs 6
pounds!  Still I have about $200 invested in lenses that cost the government
about $100,000.  Good ones are around by Kodak, Leitz Canada (Elcan), Bell
and Howell, Pacific Optical, Fairchild, Perkin Elmer, Aerojet/Delft, and
others.I will have pictures soon.  Good luck Robert!

Gene
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From: Robert Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [Cameramakers] Test of Aero Ektar 178 mm


 There is somebody offering an Aero Ektar at ebay

 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1334394605

 I believe anybody who can read the German text might enjoy the
 information.  Indeed, you can probably guess enough to make sense out of
 the numerical values even without reading German.  I was amazed how good
 this lens is and the report might encourage some of you to grab the first
 one offered to you.  After remounting in a shutter (or with a Packard),
 this lens ought to satisfy the needs of almost all doing 4x5 (9cmx12cm) on
 a shoestring.  And how many of us can even find alternatives offering F2.5
 for 4x5 format?

 What I also hope is that some reader of this group might have a source of
 the entire report from Hubble.  The test results in all their detail would
 be nice to have and according  to  the ebay seller, the Hubble report
 compared various aerial lenses.  You would be doing all of us a service if
 you could supply a copy of the report to anyone wanting it.  I, for one
 would gladly pay a bit for a photocopy, postage and other costs of the
 person who can get hands on this document and distribute it.

 The sad news is that Surplus Shed does not currently have any to sell to
 you, but they will no doubt again appear.  I am thankful to have mine,
 already, but now I am driven to remount it!

 Bob

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[Cameramakers] $8 250mm f/5.6 copier lenses for 8x10 etc.

2002-02-22 Thread Robert Monaghan

see http://dmapub.dma.org/~wagner/copyscop.htm 
http://www.aaa.org/articles/copyscope/
http://www.sciplus.com/category.cfm?section=6subsection=21 (used to have $10
copier lenses, also www.surplusshed.com?)
http://www.mpja.com/product.asp?product=8800+LN $8 copier lens 250mm f/5.6

from my homebrew lenses pages at http://people.smu.edu/rmonagha/bronhb.html

quote
From: Don Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: Here's One for All of You Lens Experts !
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998

These hemi lenses are also found in discarded copy machines. I know of 
several photographers who have talked
about doing something with them, but non who actually has. I do have one 
lens that is straight through from an
even older copier. It is approx. 150mm, f8. I have used it to shoot copy 
work onto 8X10, even full spread
newspaper, and found it to be sharp. 
unquote

and quote:
rom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bart Z. Lederman)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Copier lens adapted for macro use? (green light)
Date: 20 Nov 1998 

There are actually a lot of different copier lenses floating around the 
used and suplus market. 

I've got one of the older ones, it came from one of the 'name brand' 
companies at the time (I think BL), and it's a
normal lens, color corrected, and I think anti- reflection coated, 8 1/4 
FL F/4.5, with adjustable f-stops. It was
probably a production copy lens that was adapted to an early model 
photocopier, before the photocopier
manufactuers had a production volume that justified custom-designed 
lenses (like the Fuji mirror lens described
in a previous post). Also, most newer lenses don't have an adjustable 
iris. 

The catch is: it's designed essentially for 1:1 reproduction ratios, and 
for large format (8 1/2 x 11 or larger). 

If you're going to do copying near a 1:1 ratio on sheet film, one of 
these lenses can be a great buy. I've also used it
as a portrait lens on 2 1/4 x 3 1/4, where a very slight soft focus 
wouldn't matter. As a telephoto lens on 35mm,
it's only so-so. 

--
B. Z. Lederman Personal Opinions Only
endquote

quote:

From: Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: Copier lenses
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 

I have used old copier lenses - a Fuji and a no-name - to copy large 
paste-ups onto 8X10. The resulting contact
prints were great! I shot a fully opened newspaper (two pages) as a test 
first, and it was sharp corner to corner,
even with a 4X loupe. The lenses were mounted on mat board lens boards, 
and I used another piece of mat board
for a shutter - I was shooting in a studio. 
endquote:

considering these guys cost $10, cover 8x10 and even 11x17 (sized prints?)
it would be hard to find cheaper and more available alternatives...

hth bobm

* Robert Monaghan POB752182 Southern Methodist University, Dallas Tx 75275  *
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