Re: [Cameramakers] Cheapo Helicoid' focuser

2002-02-25 Thread Robert Mueller

Thanks;  it always looked so formidable that I was frightened off.  If it 
is hardly worse than a single start thread, it is well worth 
considering.  I appreciate the encouragement, and still worry, but less!


Bob


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  The second time you do a multistart thread it is cake.
You, Sir, also speak from knowledge. bye, sid.

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Re: [Cameramakers] Re: Cheapo Helicoid' focuser

2002-02-25 Thread Sid Washer

 The only drawback that I can see to this is you cannot turn your 
lever past the dowels so your range of focus would be imited by this.
   Your thinking is quite correct. That's the reason for the multiple 
start threads- to multiply the linear travel with reduced angular 
rotation. Given a suitable MS thread, your dowel-guided system works 
nicely.
  Happy building, bye, sid.

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Re: [Cameramakers] Cheapo Helicoid' focuser

2002-02-25 Thread Robert Mueller

Dear Barry,

Perhaps you have some advice on getting the depth correct.  The obvious 
solution is wires, for the outside thread (except for those who are lucky 
enough to have a thread micrometer.)  How is the mating inside thread 
monitored for depth?   This is the operation which was my worry when 
expressing concern.  With a single start thread you can advance in small 
steps, using the outside thread as a gauge.  With four starts that is a 
little trickier; you have to cut all four, test, and if more metal must be 
removed, repeat.  Conversely, if one can measure, there is no big problem 
in advancing the tool the right amount.  Unfortunately, I have never even 
seen a micrometer for inner threads!

You advice will be welcomed by all who might have to face this problem.

Bob




At 15:22 24.02.02 -0800, you wrote:


Hi Robert:

Most multi start threads used in photographic
equipment use three or four starts. All I have made as
replacements have been 4 starts. This is easily
indexed using a machined block under each of the jaws
on the four jaw chuck. You can do it, only the first
one is difficult. The second time you do a multistart
thread it is cake.

All the focusing helicals I have seen have 60 degree
included angle thread flanks.

Barry Young

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[Cameramakers] copier lenses

2002-02-25 Thread Robert Monaghan

the copier lenses I have seen have all been glass, mostly from 1980s surplus 
I'd bet. The plastic lenses you see are more from projection TV setups
and should be avoided (soft..). 

the projection quality of 8 1/2 x 11 prints strongly suggests the 
copier lenses can make excellent 8x10; many of these lenses seem to also 
work to cover up to 11x17 on many copier machines. 

these lenses are used all the time as astro spotting scopes, at infinity;
I don't know the infinity coverage, which probably varies with different
lens types and formulae, but again, I'd be surprised if 8x10 was a 
problem on any of them. I'd also be surprised if the result wasn't at 
least as good as some of the older barrel lenses, esp. as some of them 
seem to be coated optics etc.  

on the other hand, there are lots of process lenses being thrown away 
every day as folks switch to digital...

bobm

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[Cameramakers] re: focusing mounts

2002-02-25 Thread Robert Monaghan

I'd point you towards some of the amateur telescope maker designs for 
eyepiece focusing designs. A lot of these are built around plumbers 
tubing and brass/copper pipe stuff. But they have a lot of simple 
focusing mount designs that might be a starting point?... hth bobm

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Re: [Cameramakers] Homebuilt lights

2002-02-25 Thread Sid Washer

I'm not familiar with the Speedotron lights, but as long as the modeling 
light is inside a helical flash tube, there should be no real problem in 
adapting it to any stage lamp with enough room inside.
   bye, sid.

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Re: [Cameramakers] Cheapo Helicoid' focuser

2002-02-25 Thread Barry Young



Hello Robert:

Almost all internal thread pitch diameters are
measured with thread plug gages. You make one a little
big and one a little bit small. When the small one
enters and the big one doesn't, Ta da! you are there.
For thread form however, almost everybody uses the
impre4ssion method. The truly cool use dental
impressioning compound, You heat it with a lighter
(preferably a Bic lighter) and it softens. When you
press the softened impressioning compound into the
thread, it cools and solidifies leaving a near exact
replica of the thread. Dental compound is
dimensionally stable meaning it is the same size
when cool as when heated. Amazing stuff, but hard to
find and spendy. I recommend the poor mans impression
stick. If you have kids it is easy. Steal one of their
crayons when they are asleep. If you don't have kids,
steal one of those long tapered candles (tapers) the
better half uses to lure you over dinner. If you are
single, you can apply a light coating of spray on
cooking non stick super slick gizmo stuff (Pam) and
then fill a thread or three with epoxy. When it sets
up, you have a good impression. There is no stealing
for the single people though. The really cool thing to
do is to slap that impression you made on your optical
comparator. Lacking this, you can get at almost any
part of the thread by sawing your impression on the
band saw. Then you can just use calipers. BTW, since
this IS a photographic group, you CAN (and I have) use
an enlarger to project your threadform for easy
measuring on the baseboard. Like a shadowgraph. 

I don't want to bore the people here to tears so drop
me a line off list. Maybe I can give you even more
ideas on where to steal essential shop equipment.

Barry Young

Ooops, I mean borrow!




--- Robert Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear Barry,
 
 Perhaps you have some advice on getting the depth
 correct.  The obvious 
 solution is wires, for the outside thread (except
 for those who are lucky 
 enough to have a thread micrometer.)  How is the
 mating inside thread 
 monitored for depth?   This is the operation which
 was my worry when 
 expressing concern.  With a single start thread you
 can advance in small 
 steps, using the outside thread as a gauge.  With
 four starts that is a 
 little trickier; you have to cut all four, test, and
 if more metal must be 
 removed, repeat.  Conversely, if one can measure,
 there is no big problem 
 in advancing the tool the right amount. 
 Unfortunately, I have never even 
 seen a micrometer for inner threads!
 
 You advice will be welcomed by all who might have to
 face this problem.
 
 Bob
 
 
 
 
 At 15:22 24.02.02 -0800, you wrote:
 
 
 Hi Robert:
 
 Most multi start threads used in photographic
 equipment use three or four starts. All I have made
 as
 replacements have been 4 starts. This is easily
 indexed using a machined block under each of the
 jaws
 on the four jaw chuck. You can do it, only the
 first
 one is difficult. The second time you do a
 multistart
 thread it is cake.
 
 All the focusing helicals I have seen have 60
 degree
 included angle thread flanks.
 
 Barry Young
 
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