Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
Alvar Freude wrote: Perl IS NOT dead. But for people who are not part of the Perl community, it either looks dead (or only for some small shell scripting) or they don#t know it at all. And then there's the people who just like to talk. Many of those who say Perl is ugly the loudest haven't even seen a real Perl project in their whole life. They're just passing along the jokes about Perl because they want to be part of the group. I even heard Perl?! With that ugly sytax?! from people who haven't written more than 500 lines of code in their entire life. The biggest problem that Perl has at the moment (imho) is not the lack of positive marketing, but the people working against it, for whatever reason. gr., Robert ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
Brandon Black wrote:
On 11/30/06, Sebastian Riedel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And p5 development is not as active as you might think,
just take a look at the comments under
http://use.perl.org/~sri/journal/31519.
The quote Perl5 is not dead, it's just very, very stable sums it up
quite well.
216 distinct threads in the past 3 weeks on the p5p mailing list
(according to gmail) say otherwise. P5 development is definitely
active. The upload activity on CPAN is on a constant upwards trend.
The mere existence of groundbreaking modules like Moose are hard
evidence as well.
In fact, P5P has more traffic than all the Perl6 lists combined. My
perl6 folder has 163 unread messages, and p5p has 754. (Yes, I'm a bit
behind.)
Perl. Is. Not. Dead.
Is there anything more we need to add to this discussion?
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Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
On 12/1/06, Jonathan Rockway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perl. Is. Not. Dead. No one *here* is stating that Perl is really dead. Otherwise we'd all be undead zombies from hell or something like that. Anyone who's inside the Perl community knows it's alive and kicking and that most of Perl's widely known problems are actually FUD. The real problem is that it currently seems to be an ever shrinking community. Perl's liveliness needs exposure besides what has already been done - that's what everyone is arguing for IMO. And, of course, it's much easier said than done. -Nilson Santos F. Jr. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
On Dec 1, 2006, at 8:45 AM, Jonathan Rockway wrote: Perl. Is. Not. Dead. Is there anything more we need to add to this discussion? The last two big companies I worked for were both moving away from Perl. One of them was Amazon.com (I known there are still a few boosters and projects for Perl there but as a whole the company has become quite anti-Perl and has been rewriting everything in Java it can get budget money for). It isn't because Perl isn't useful, Perl helped build both of the companies, but because it has an image of not being up to the task. Sure Perl's not dead but that's at least 100 high paying, high profile Perl jobs in my town alone that are gone. Not because Perl sucks but because a lot of people think it does. There is nothing wrong with trying to improve Perl's image. ...If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Yep. -Ashley ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 04:43:03PM -0200, Nilson Santos Figueiredo Junior wrote: On 12/1/06, Jonathan Rockway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perl. Is. Not. Dead. No one *here* is stating that Perl is really dead. Otherwise we'd all be undead zombies from hell or something like that. Anyone who's inside the Perl community knows it's alive and kicking and that most of Perl's widely known problems are actually FUD. The real problem is that it currently seems to be an ever shrinking community. Unfortunately, FUD drives the real world. How often do projects get written in Perl or Ruby or Python because it is the best choice vs. what the managers think is the best choice? What's the goal? Open up the paper and see lots of listing for Perl jobs? That managers pick Perl/Catalyst over another solution? That Perl is popular enough to drive up demand for good perl programmers? Perl and Catalyst can do the job. We know that. So the problem is getting the word out. Perl's liveliness needs exposure besides what has already been done - that's what everyone is arguing for IMO. And, of course, it's much easier said than done. Right. Public relation firms exist for a good reason. But PR is expensive. Without some good corporate sponsorship we would need a bit of fund raising. I wonder how much income has been generated from using Catalyst. I'd give a small chunk of cash to TPF (or whatever) if I knew there were enough others doing the same to make it count. I joked once on IRC about Catalyst certification -- ads in IT magazines would suggest that managers look for and higher only certified Cat programmers... Of course, those are the ones who's dues paid for the ad in the first place. What was that organization that did all those TCO reports for Microsoft? -- Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
On 12/1/06, Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 04:43:03PM -0200, Nilson Santos Figueiredo Junior wrote: On 12/1/06, Jonathan Rockway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perl. Is. Not. Dead. No one *here* is stating that Perl is really dead. Otherwise we'd all be undead zombies from hell or something like that. Anyone who's inside the Perl community knows it's alive and kicking and that most of Perl's widely known problems are actually FUD. The real problem is that it currently seems to be an ever shrinking community. Unfortunately, FUD drives the real world. How often do projects get written in Perl or Ruby or Python because it is the best choice vs. what the managers think is the best choice? What's the goal? Open up the paper and see lots of listing for Perl jobs? That managers pick Perl/Catalyst over another solution? That Perl is popular enough to drive up demand for good perl programmers? On the other side of the coin, my company is actively hiring right now and we've been flooded by people who have that same perception and poor Perl knowledge. To the point that we've had candidates inform us it would be highly advantageous to rewrite certain parts in C (of all languages). Perl has always had a stigma attached to it that it was a hackish language. This comes from perl4, in my opinion. When Perl 5 came out, it turned Perl into a language that can actually be used for larger projects, and used very well. I believe Perl 6 will take the simplicity that Perl offers, as well as the capability and put a new face on it that will help justify the time to give Perl a second look. Perl is not dead. However, Perl is not a language many people feel comfortable putting their career on the line. A very good friend of mine, who is a brilliant programmer, abandoned Perl for Java because of job security. I'm hoping to win him back to the Perl side, but he's not alone. Why bother risking the safety of your career because you want to hang on to what most people consider an out-of-date and less capable language? There is very little incentive to do so. Right now it is more beneficial for developers to focus on other languages, because there are more jobs out there. Regardless of death, that part is true and easily substantiated. My opinion on changing that is to simply do very cool things in Perl, get people who want to work on cool things, and just get it done. Things like plat_forms help, as well, and I hope the Catalyst team does very well. Hopefully these things help contribute in someway to promote the idea that Perl is a good language. -J. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
J. Shirley wrote:
A very good friend of mine, who is a brilliant programmer, abandoned
Perl for Java because of job security. I'm hoping to win him back to
the Perl side, but he's not alone. Why bother risking the safety of
your career because you want to hang on to what most people consider
an out-of-date and less capable language?
Hmm, I didn't know that you were only allowed to know one programming
language. You probably don't want to tell him this, but [whispering]
some people know both! I hear some legends even know... get this...
*three* programming languages!
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Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
On 12/1/06, Jonathan Rockway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: J. Shirley wrote: A very good friend of mine, who is a brilliant programmer, abandoned Perl for Java because of job security. I'm hoping to win him back to the Perl side, but he's not alone. Why bother risking the safety of your career because you want to hang on to what most people consider an out-of-date and less capable language? Hmm, I didn't know that you were only allowed to know one programming language. You probably don't want to tell him this, but [whispering] some people know both! I hear some legends even know... get this... *three* programming languages! Hyperbole much? There is a difference between the languages known, and what is recognizable as a persons career language. The vast majority of developers focus specifically on one language, and then have other languages that they know, but to a lesser degree. As someone who has screened probably around a thousand resumes in the last 12 months, I can say that this is the way most developers are. If someone claims they are advanced or experts in more than one language, they tend to either be liars, or open source developers. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
apv wrote: The last two big companies I worked for were both moving away from Perl. One of them was Amazon.com (I known there are still a few boosters and projects for Perl there but as a whole the company has become quite anti-Perl and has been rewriting everything in Java it can get budget money for). It isn't because Perl isn't useful, Perl helped build both of the companies, but because it has an image of not being up to the task. Sure Perl's not dead but that's at least 100 high paying, high profile Perl jobs in my town alone that are gone. Not because Perl sucks but because a lot of people think it does. Funny you mention Amazon switching to Java. I would expect more Ruby projects from them since the Jeff Bezos / 37signals deal. http://www.37signals.com/svn/archives2/bezos_expeditions_invests_in_37signals.php -- sebastian ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
On 12/1/06, Sebastian Riedel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: apv wrote: The last two big companies I worked for were both moving away from Perl. One of them was Amazon.com (I known there are still a few boosters and projects for Perl there but as a whole the company has become quite anti-Perl and has been rewriting everything in Java it can get budget money for). It isn't because Perl isn't useful, Perl helped build both of the companies, but because it has an image of not being up to the task. Sure Perl's not dead but that's at least 100 high paying, high profile Perl jobs in my town alone that are gone. Not because Perl sucks but because a lot of people think it does. Funny you mention Amazon switching to Java. I would expect more Ruby projects from them since the Jeff Bezos / 37signals deal. http://www.37signals.com/svn/archives2/bezos_expeditions_invests_in_37signals.php -- sebastian ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ All of Amazon's front-end is in Mason (and as such, Perl) along with their middle-ware. The backend is changing out, but that has usually been in C/C++ and is switching to Java. -- J. Shirley :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: Killing two stones with one bird... http://www.toeat.com - http://code.toeat.com/~jshirley ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
AW: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
Do we have any participates yet? Hi! -- some days ago I wrote: There is an international contest and comparison with scientific evaluation about programming languages (and frameworks) for web development. http://www.plat-forms.org/ Reminder: Today is the last day you can send your request of participation! If you want to participate or if you have already filled out the Request for admittance, http://www.plat-forms.org/how_to_apply.htm then it would be good if you join the perl mailing list to the contest: https://lists.odem.org/mailman/listinfo/perl-platform Ciao Alvar -- ** Alvar C.H. Freude, http://alvar.a-blast.org/ ** http://www.wen-waehlen.de/ ** http://odem.org/ ** http://www.assoziations-blaster.de/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: AW: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
Hi, -- Sascha Kiefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do we have any participates yet? there is one Catalyst team from Geneva. And there are several teams that are interested to participate, but I have no definitive answer yet. So at the moment I think it would be good if we get at least one more them. Ciao Alvar -- ** Alvar C.H. Freude, http://alvar.a-blast.org/ ** http://www.wen-waehlen.de/ ** http://odem.org/ ** http://www.assoziations-blaster.de/ pgpeSFEgMqDdl.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
Quoting Sascha Kiefer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Do we have any participates yet? Yes, we do. But we have only one team, not only for Catalyst, but for Perl as a whole :-( -- Cedric Bouvier ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
Cédric Bouvier wrote:
Quoting Sascha Kiefer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Do we have any participates yet?
Yes, we do. But we have only one team, not only for Catalyst, but for Perl as
a
whole :-(
Seems like a waste anyway. Is Perl really going to win a competition
sponsored by Zend?
(playing into the hands of Zend's marketing department)++ # cough.
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Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
Jonathan Rockway wrote: Seems like a waste anyway. Is Perl really going to win a competition sponsored by Zend? (playing into the hands of Zend's marketing department)++ # cough There will be no overall winner, just one per platform. So the more teams your platform has the better you look. Having only one team for Perl is quite bad, especially since one of the organizers happens to be the iX magazine (http://www.heise.de/ix/), which has a big influence in the german speaking world. :/ -- sebastian ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
Hi, -- Cédric Bouvier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, we do. But we have only one team, not only for Catalyst, but for Perl as a whole :-( we have two Perl teams, one Catalyst, one Mason. We need at least (!) one more Perl team. There are two or three teams which are interested in participating, but I got no final status yet. So, it would be good if the Catalyst community can spend one more team. Or tow, three ... ;-) Having more teams should be good for several reasons: we can show that Perl isn't dead (at the moment it looks half-dead), and there are more options to choose from. Ciao Alvar -- ** Alvar C.H. Freude, http://alvar.a-blast.org/ ** http://www.wen-waehlen.de/ ** http://odem.org/ ** http://www.assoziations-blaster.de/ pgppVNDSyjQ40.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
Sebastian Riedel wrote:
Jonathan Rockway wrote:
Seems like a waste anyway. Is Perl really going to win a competition
sponsored by Zend?
(playing into the hands of Zend's marketing department)++ # cough
There will be no overall winner, just one per platform.
So the more teams your platform has the better you look.
Having only one team for Perl is quite bad,
especially since one of the organizers happens to be the iX magazine
(http://www.heise.de/ix/),
which has a big influence in the german speaking world. :/
Yeah, I know *I'm* going to abandon Perl as a result of the contest. I
mean, Perl's not cool anymore right? Speed and features are for Web 1.0
losers!
/sarcasm
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Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
Jonathan Rockway wrote: Yeah, I know *I'm* going to abandon Perl as a result of the contest. I mean, Perl's not cool anymore right? Speed and features are for Web 1.0 losers! /sarcasm Yeah, lets just ignore marketing completely, who needs new users, they are just annoying anyway. /sarcasm :-) -- sebastian ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
Hi, -- Jonathan Rockway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like a waste anyway. Is Perl really going to win a competition sponsored by Zend? Every Perl-using company is free to do sponsoring. But the competition is NOT analysed by Zend or other sponsoring companies. It will be analysed by an independent team at the University of Berlin. And I am sure, that neighter Prof. Prechelt nor the iX magazine do anything to prefer a sponsor or their preferred language. So, if you want to play into the hands of Zend's marketing department, you have to show that everything else is not dead and that everything else is better then PHP. You can't compete PHP when diving away. Ciao Alvar -- ** Alvar C.H. Freude, http://alvar.a-blast.org/ ** http://www.wen-waehlen.de/ ** http://odem.org/ ** http://www.assoziations-blaster.de/ pgpiWYeG5UsSd.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
On 11/30/06, Alvar Freude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having more teams should be good for several reasons: we can show that Perl isn't dead (at the moment it looks half-dead), and there are more options to choose from. IMHO, Perl does *not* look half dead. The rate of CPAN modules uploaded per year continues to rise, anyone could name a litany of high and low profile sites that still run perl, and the perl job market is great. Active cutting-edge development continues in both p5 and of course the various p6-related efforts. Perl has never been a slick, well-marketed language, but it is still the duct-tape of the Internet. In spite of Perl's complete lack of kissing up to the Enterprise world, it's still an A-rated language on the TIOBE index: http://www.tiobe.com/index.htm?tiobe_index The lack of participants in a competition like this says to me that most Perl developers that could participate are just too busy with real work to bother. -- Brandon ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
Hi, -- Brandon Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO, Perl does *not* look half dead. Perl IS NOT dead. But for people who are not part of the Perl community, it either looks dead (or only for some small shell scripting) or they don#t know it at all. That's reality. The rate of CPAN modules uploaded per year continues to rise, anyone could name a litany of high and low profile sites that still run perl, and the perl job market is great. Active cutting-edge development continues in both p5 and of course the various p6-related efforts. yes, I know, I am using Perl every day. But who knows this outside of the Perl community? The lack of participants in a competition like this says to me that most Perl developers that could participate are just too busy with real work to bother. this is true for all the other languages too. Ciao Alvar -- ** Alvar C.H. Freude, http://alvar.a-blast.org/ ** http://www.wen-waehlen.de/ ** http://odem.org/ ** http://www.assoziations-blaster.de/ pgp126L5jg6FL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
Brandon Black wrote: On 11/30/06, Alvar Freude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having more teams should be good for several reasons: we can show that Perl isn't dead (at the moment it looks half-dead), and there are more options to choose from. IMHO, Perl does *not* look half dead. If a lot of people outside the Perl community say it looks half dead, then it does to them. Ignoring and/or denying doesn't make it better, you have to accept the feedback and react to it. The rate of CPAN modules uploaded per year continues to rise, anyone could name a litany of high and low profile sites that still run perl, and the perl job market is great. Active cutting-edge development continues in both p5 and of course the various p6-related efforts. Perl has never been a slick, well-marketed language, but it is still the duct-tape of the Internet. But the problem is nobody outside the Perl community notices it. And p5 development is not as active as you might think, just take a look at the comments under http://use.perl.org/~sri/journal/31519. The quote Perl5 is not dead, it's just very, very stable sums it up quite well. In spite of Perl's complete lack of kissing up to the Enterprise world, it's still an A-rated language on the TIOBE index: http://www.tiobe.com/index.htm?tiobe_index But it's losing a lot of ground to Python and Ruby recently. (http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/04/state_of_the_computer_book_mar_3.html) -- sebastian ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Last Chance / Last Day: Web development platform contestand Perl / Catalyst
On 11/30/06, Sebastian Riedel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And p5 development is not as active as you might think, just take a look at the comments under http://use.perl.org/~sri/journal/31519. The quote Perl5 is not dead, it's just very, very stable sums it up quite well. 216 distinct threads in the past 3 weeks on the p5p mailing list (according to gmail) say otherwise. P5 development is definitely active. The upload activity on CPAN is on a constant upwards trend. The mere existence of groundbreaking modules like Moose are hard evidence as well. -- Brandon ___ List: Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org Listinfo: http://lists.rawmode.org/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.rawmode.org/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
