Re: [Catalyst] Web hosting?
I've now sorted this out with DreamHost and we now have an account. On 04/01/2008, Martin Ellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The refusal email was (on face) from a human, and did not state any reason. I've replied asking for an explanation. On 04/01/2008, Jon Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 09:28 +0800, Martin Ellison wrote: Dreamhost have refused to accept our site on the grounds of their frad detection system. No explanation given, and I have no idea why as this is a legitimate business. Did you contact a human at Dreamhost and ask why? In contrast to some hosting providers, I have found Dreamhost's humans to be reasonable people. -- Jon SchutzMy tech notes http://notes.jschutz.net Chief Technology Officer http://www.youramigo.com YourAmigo ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ -- Regards, Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) IT: http://methodsupport.com Personal: http://thereisnoend.org -- Regards, Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) IT: http://methodsupport.com Personal: http://thereisnoend.org ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Web hosting?
On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 09:28 +0800, Martin Ellison wrote: Dreamhost have refused to accept our site on the grounds of their frad detection system. No explanation given, and I have no idea why as this is a legitimate business. Did you contact a human at Dreamhost and ask why? In contrast to some hosting providers, I have found Dreamhost's humans to be reasonable people. -- Jon SchutzMy tech notes http://notes.jschutz.net Chief Technology Officerhttp://www.youramigo.com YourAmigo ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Web hosting?
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:05:17PM +0800, Martin Ellison wrote: OK, I am discussing this with DreamHost, and hope to be able to resolve the issue. But... when I originally started this thread, several posters suggested various hosting companies at around the USD 50-100/month level, which was good, but not in the same category as DreamHost (about USD6/month). So, what I would like to ask in this post is for a Plan B in case DreamHost fall through: can anyone recommend another good hosting company that supports Catalyst at around the USD 10 / month level, more or less? I was running some Cat apps off a host on ASmallOrange, who were $15 for three months, or $5/month. They seemed alright. tjc On 04/01/2008, Martin Ellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The refusal email was (on face) from a human, and did not state any reason. I've replied asking for an explanation. On 04/01/2008, Jon Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 09:28 +0800, Martin Ellison wrote: Dreamhost have refused to accept our site on the grounds of their frad detection system. No explanation given, and I have no idea why as this is a legitimate business. Did you contact a human at Dreamhost and ask why? In contrast to some hosting providers, I have found Dreamhost's humans to be reasonable people. -- Jon SchutzMy tech notes http://notes.jschutz.net Chief Technology Officer http://www.youramigo.com YourAmigo ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ -- Regards, Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) IT: http://methodsupport.com Personal: http://thereisnoend.org -- Regards, Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) IT: http://methodsupport.com Personal: http://thereisnoend.org ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Web hosting?
G'day! Jumpline are offering 12 months free VDS hosting at the moment using this coupon: https://ssl.jumpline.com/order/?c=3UFWOTHC I'm just about to have a go setting up my first hosted Catalyst app on there to see if it works. I figure if I can't get it going in their environment at least I'm not out of pocket. On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 12:07 +0800, Martin Ellison wrote: Can anyone recommend a web hosting provider for Catalyst applications? Or for that matter, warn us off any providers that you have had bad experiences with? -- Shane McEwan Don't anthropomorphise computers, they don't like it! ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Web hosting?
I use Media Temple. I think you can get Cat to run on their Grid service, but I've never actually tried. I pay the $50/mo for a base level dedicated-virtual host. By default those hosts come with a Plesk install, but you can easily (free) request a plain vanilla linux host that runs normal old Centos 4. Amazing service, excellent upgrade paths, fair pricing, and no downtime to be heard of (on the dv product, which I can speak for). I do run 2 small Cat apps there, but these guys are just good hosting in general in my opinion. -d Martin Ellison wrote: Thanks Ashley. 1. What sort of outages dopes DreamHost have? 2. Any other hosting companies? 3. Should we go for a virtual server instead, and install Catalyst myself? On 16/12/2007, *Ashley Pond V* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DreamHost is used by a few of us. It has several caveats. They oversell and are somewhat dishonest about how they do it and what their definitions for disk usage are. They have more outages than some hosts (I would not put a 24/7 business there) b/c they let a lot of dynamic, db-heavy, sites sit on boxes together. That said, they have a nice control panel, they usually do seem to try to please, they are typically zippy for flat files, and I can't find anyone else who offers half of what they do, including fastcgi to run you Cat app, for $8/month. I've been there for 4 years for about 15 sites. There is a Catalyst promotion code so that your signup goes to benefit Cat development. Check the archives or (better still, they've changed how referrals work in the last year) wait for someone else to post it again. -Ashley On Dec 15, 2007, at 8:07 PM, Martin Ellison wrote: Can anyone recommend a web hosting provider for Catalyst applications? Or for that matter, warn us off any providers that you have had bad experiences with? -- Regards, Martin ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) IT: http://methodsupport.com Personal: http://thereisnoend.org ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk mailto:Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ -- Regards, Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) IT: http://methodsupport.com Personal: http://thereisnoend.org ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Web hosting?
I started this same thread a few months ago and many people were kind enough to reply. It seemed a decision between linode.com and slicehost.com. Slicehost sounds cool and very well may be cool, however it is newer, has a waiting list (not extremely long), and what got me was that they say no up front but then require up front just to get early on the list. By contrast I have watched linode for a long time, and I had an awesome chat with its owner caker, who periodically adds new resources to your account for free, and it seems they have more offerings, including upcoming HA failover across linodes it seems. Anyway both have neat looking communities and possibly slicehost has newer technology but it's a tossup to me, as linode also is not standing still. Finally they have multiple data centers including one at Huriccaine Electric which I also had watched for a while. Getting a linode at HE which is 50-100ms closer was also a big plus. Add to that a very personal vibe I got from caker, which decided me. My own decision was to start off with a single linode and also get a baby account on hostgator, which also was top in reviews. I got it for some family sites and to hold heavy content like film. Possibly catalyst might even work in their environment but I am planning on using the linode for that. Probably the linode will have to be upgraded with memory. I have not had time to play with it yet so I can't report on the result, but so far it looks nice and inexpensive. Since I joined in fact I have gotten a free upgrade already. Granted VPS companies have to keep up with the market, I left my old one due to incompetence and overcharging. Possibly slicehost may have difficulty keeping up but I wish them all luck and wouldn't mind getting a slice too some time to try out. Both linode and slicehost give you a choice of distros and root access which should make catalyst installation easy. Perhaps someone else can give you their experience but first you might want to search the archive. Matt R. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Web hosting?
Le Dim 16 décembre 2007 12:17, Will Hawes a écrit : I've used www.bytemark.co.uk for the past two years and have found pricing, uptime and support to be excellent. On Dec 15, 2007, at 8:07 PM, Martin Ellison wrote: Can anyone recommend a web hosting provider for Catalyst applications? Or for that matter, warn us off any providers that you have had bad experiences with? If you're in Europe, check this: http://www.kimsufi.com/ If that's too light, have a look there: http://www.ovh.com/fr/produits/start100m.xml I have one of each and am really satisfied with both. Much better imho than a virtual server. David Morel ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Web hosting?
I used bytemark.co.uk for several years, had great service and zero downtime. I'd recommend them. Then I found linode.com for about the same price and twice as much memory (about 300MB, which I did really need after porting to catalyst), and also great refs. Been there for several months now, also very impressive. The web interface is also neat and hadny for quick checks. These virtual servers are so good and cheap that you'd be nuts to do it any other way, unless you are very budget constrained indeed. -- Daniel McBrearty email : danielmcbrearty at gmail.com http://www.engoi.com http://danmcb.vox.com http://danmcb.blogger.com find me on linkedin and facebook BTW : 0873928131 ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Web hosting?
What distro are you using I'm curious. Then I found linode.com for about the same price and twice as much memory (about 300MB, which I did really need after porting to catalyst), and also great refs. Been there for several months now, also very impressive. The web interface is also neat and hadny for quick checks. These virtual servers are so good and cheap that you'd be nuts to do it any other way, unless you are very budget constrained indeed. -- Daniel McBrearty email : danielmcbrearty at gmail.com http://www.engoi.com http://danmcb.vox.com http://danmcb.blogger.com find me on linkedin and facebook BTW : 0873928131 ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Web hosting?
On Dec 15, 2007, at 10:21 PM, Martin Ellison wrote: Thanks Ashley. 1. What sort of outages dopes DreamHost have? http://uptime.besthostratings.com/viewreport.php?host=dreamhost 2. Any other hosting companies? I was with http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_vps.html for awhile so I could run a modperl app. I liked them very much. I never had a single outage in two years (it was low traffic though) and was only asked to reboot my stuff once. 3. Should we go for a virtual server instead, and install Catalyst myself? Maybe. If you do that don't use DreamHost, I think. If you're paying $50+, look at JohnCompanies or some of the ones others have mentioned. My install on DreamHost is completely custom though, just on a regular account; in a local lib. That's part of why I like them enough to stay despite some problems. You can do almost anything with your account. On 16/12/2007, Ashley Pond V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DreamHost is used by a few of us. It has several caveats. They oversell and are somewhat dishonest about how they do it and what their definitions for disk usage are. They have more outages than some hosts (I would not put a 24/7 business there) b/c they let a lot of dynamic, db-heavy, sites sit on boxes together. That said, they have a nice control panel, they usually do seem to try to please, they are typically zippy for flat files, and I can't find anyone else who offers half of what they do, including fastcgi to run you Cat app, for $8/month. I've been there for 4 years for about 15 sites. There is a Catalyst promotion code so that your signup goes to benefit Cat development. Check the archives or (better still, they've changed how referrals work in the last year) wait for someone else to post it again. -Ashley On Dec 15, 2007, at 8:07 PM, Martin Ellison wrote: Can anyone recommend a web hosting provider for Catalyst applications? Or for that matter, warn us off any providers that you have had bad experiences with? -- Regards, Martin ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]) IT: http://methodsupport.com Personal: http://thereisnoend.org ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ -- Regards, Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) IT: http://methodsupport.com Personal: http://thereisnoend.org ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Web hosting?
On Dec 16, 2007 7:15 PM, Matt Rosin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What distro are you using I'm curious. I use a Debian 4.0 image that they had. It's been very good so far. I always use Deb/Ubuntu pretty much. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Web hosting?
Matt Rosin wrote: What distro are you using I'm curious. Ubuntu 6.06. Also tried CentOS 5 but didn't get on too well with it. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Web hosting?
On Sunday 16 December 2007 06:50:41 am Matt Rosin wrote: I started this same thread a few months ago and many people were kind enough to reply. It seemed a decision between linode.com and slicehost.com. Slicehost sounds cool and very well may be cool, however it is newer, has a waiting list (not extremely long), and what got me was that they say no up front but then require up front just to get early on the list. Actually slicehost has cleared out their backlog, there's once again no wait. Minimum prepayment term is still 3 months and it doesn't look like they intend to change that, but if you cancel within a month (for example) they'll still refund you two. Larger prepayments get a discount, but that's probably not a big incentive if you're just trialing them :) Linode offers a bit more RAM and a higher bandwidth cap for the price, which is nice, while Slicehost gives you four virtual CPUs, more I/O allowance, and has a nifty backup system. Both have very responsible developers/admins. I've been running some things (including a couple Catalyst sites) on Slicehost now for over a year, and they've been good to me. No performance issues once I figured out how best to configure apache to save on memory. Linode certainly looks good too. I figure it's the kind of competition that benefits the customer. Andrew ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Web hosting?
DreamHost is used by a few of us. It has several caveats. They oversell and are somewhat dishonest about how they do it and what their definitions for disk usage are. They have more outages than some hosts (I would not put a 24/7 business there) b/c they let a lot of dynamic, db-heavy, sites sit on boxes together. That said, they have a nice control panel, they usually do seem to try to please, they are typically zippy for flat files, and I can't find anyone else who offers half of what they do, including fastcgi to run you Cat app, for $8/month. I've been there for 4 years for about 15 sites. There is a Catalyst promotion code so that your signup goes to benefit Cat development. Check the archives or (better still, they've changed how referrals work in the last year) wait for someone else to post it again. -Ashley On Dec 15, 2007, at 8:07 PM, Martin Ellison wrote: Can anyone recommend a web hosting provider for Catalyst applications? Or for that matter, warn us off any providers that you have had bad experiences with? -- Regards, Martin ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]) IT: http://methodsupport.com Personal: http://thereisnoend.org ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
