Re: [cayugabirds-l] Stewart Park boundaries

2015-11-15 Thread Kenneth V. Rosenberg
Missing from this exchange is the fact that it was DEC's top waterfowl 
biologist, in consultation with the DEC office in Cortland, who recommended 
that the easiest way to resolve the human conflicts was to enforce the already 
existing ordinance passed by the City of Ithaca, but not recently enforced. We 
welcome the mayor and the City to communicate the results of their meetings and 
decisions last winter/ so everyone would stop wondering about what is 
legal/possible and what is not.

Ken

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Dave Nutter 
> wrote:

As you say, it may be that the City would not succeed in a direct assertion of 
the ban. And maybe there will not be a direct challenge. However, it also may 
be that the City or others can convince the State, on the basis of such 
conflicts as Elaina documented in the most wild and remote corner of the City, 
as well as other factors, such as the reliance of such a large proportion of 
the Redhead population on this area, or the illegal chasing of ducks by 
hunters, that this is not an appropriate activity on this part of the lake.

--Dave Nutter

On Nov 15, 2015, at 07:57 AM, Geo Kloppel 
> wrote:


Afraid not. That's just where the well-established supremacy of the state's 
sole authority to regulate hunting comes in. This is not an issue where home 
rule rights might plausibly be asserted. State-wide regulation of hunting is 
clearly a preemptive "general law" as defined in Article IX of the state 
constitution, and elaborated in the state publication linked below, bottom of 
page 3.

https://www.dos.ny.gov/lg/publications/Adopting_Local_Laws_in_New_York_State.pdf

-Geo


The question is whether the City can enforce its ban on the lake. Some people 
say not. I thought that last year the mayor said he would test it. If 
successful it would make most of the shallows at the south end of the lake into 
a waterfowl sanctuary.

--Dave Nutter

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Stewart Park boundaries

2015-11-15 Thread Geo Kloppel
The state has the authority to restrict or ban hunting in any area it 
designates, for any of a variety of reasons, including public safety. And the 
state already has the resources in place to communicate and enforce such 
restrictions. If the city or its citizens want a ban in the waters off Stewart 
Park, the wisest course IMO would be to appeal directly to DEC to impose one, 
rather than challenge the state's authority by attempting to enforce a city 
ordinance of dubious validity.

-Geo 

On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:41 AM, "Kenneth V. Rosenberg"  wrote:

> Missing from this exchange is the fact that it was DEC's top waterfowl 
> biologist, in consultation with the DEC office in Cortland, who recommended 
> that the easiest way to resolve the human conflicts was to enforce the 
> already existing ordinance passed by the City of Ithaca, but not recently 
> enforced. We welcome the mayor and the City to communicate the results of 
> their meetings and decisions last winter/ so everyone would stop wondering 
> about what is legal/possible and what is not. 
> 
> Ken
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Dave Nutter  wrote:
> 
>> As you say, it may be that the City would not succeed in a direct assertion 
>> of the ban. And maybe there will not be a direct challenge. However, it also 
>> may be that the City or others can convince the State, on the basis of such 
>> conflicts as Elaina documented in the most wild and remote corner of the 
>> City, as well as other factors, such as the reliance of such a large 
>> proportion of the Redhead population on this area, or the illegal chasing of 
>> ducks by hunters, that this is not an appropriate activity on this part of 
>> the lake.
>> --Dave Nutter
>> 
>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 07:57 AM, Geo Kloppel  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Afraid not. That's just where the well-established supremacy of the state's 
>>> sole authority to regulate hunting comes in. This is not an issue where 
>>> home rule rights might plausibly be asserted. State-wide regulation of 
>>> hunting is clearly a preemptive "general law" as defined in Article IX of 
>>> the state constitution, and elaborated in the state publication linked 
>>> below, bottom of page 3.
>>> 
>>> https://www.dos.ny.gov/lg/publications/Adopting_Local_Laws_in_New_York_State.pdf
>>> 
>>> -Geo 
>>> 
 
 The question is whether the City can enforce its ban on the lake. Some 
 people say not. I thought that last year the mayor said he would test it. 
 If successful it would make most of the shallows at the south end of the 
 lake into a waterfowl sanctuary.
 --Dave Nutter
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Re:[cayugabirds-l] Franklin's Gull, Myers Point

2015-11-15 Thread Jay McGowan
No luck trying to refind the Franklin's from Long Point and Aurora, but we
can see a large feeding flock of gulls on the water off Deans Cove on the
west side, so if you are in that area it might be worth stopping in to take
a look.

Jay
On Nov 15, 2015 8:15 AM, "Jay McGowan"  wrote:

> A few minutes ago an adult FRANKLIN'S GULL flew in to Myers Point,
> apparently from the south, and landed on the north side of the spit, out of
> sight for us at the lighthouse. We tried to reposition to get a look but it
> flew before any other birds and quickly headed off to the north with some
> Ring-billed. We are still here and it has not returned, but there is still
> at least one Franklin's on Cayuga Lake!
>
> Jay and Brad
>

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Stewart Park boundaries

2015-11-15 Thread Dave Nutter

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Loon watch and foy here

2015-11-15 Thread John and Sue Gregoire
John, Meena,
I was joking about following Rte 15 southbound! The majority of birds yesterday 
were
indeed flying on a line that would have taken them to Watkins Glen. Did they 
turn?
Where? Why?

These birds were at sufficient althitude to bring the rivers in view quickly 
and the
Bay within a very short time. Our old banding station on the Patuxent River was 
at
the same longitude as our current station between the lakes here.

I agree with a direct flight. The rivers only provide a sense of confidence 
that, in
case of an in-flight emnergency, a suitable divert field is available 
throughout the
journey south.

A few years ago some folks from the Maryland Orn. Soc. conducted a watch at Pt
Lookout ( Md shore at confluence of the Potomac,Patuxent and the Bay). The 
timing of
touch downs there would coincide nicely with the flight times with tail wind 
that we
were discussing yesterday -about 5 hours.  All in all, much faster than we can 
drive
or sometimes fly IFR.

John
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On Sat, November 14, 2015 21:00, John Greenly wrote:
> Hi Meena and John
>
> Have to chime in here, as the lake and I are rather good friends, from a few
> thousand hours of rowing and sailing!  From Taughannock State Park it's 8 
> miles on
> the water to Stewart Park at the bottom end of the lake, and the west shore 
> down
> there (Hog Hole) is only 1.8 miles east of a direct southerly line from the 
> shore at
> Taughannock.  I don't know how you figured those large numbers of miles;  
> below
> Taughannock, around about Myers, the lake actually bends more southerly, not 
> to the
> east. On the other hand, Watkins Glen at the south end of Seneca Lake is 
> about 17
> miles WSW from Taughannock, a direction that would be just right if the Loons 
> were
> migrating to Pittsburgh.
>
> I do wonder where they go from here though.  The Susquehanna takes an 
> extremely
> twisty course with a large easterly excursion in Pennsylvania, it would be
> interesting to know whether they follow it or just go straight, which would 
> save
> hours of flight.
>
> Cheers,
> John Greenly
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2015, at 6:42 PM, John Confer wrote:
>
>> Hi Meena,
>>
>>  Good to see you at Taughannoch.
>>
>>   John and Sue Gregoire and I thought that some of the big, loose flocks of 
>> loons
>> that were well north of the point we stood on at Taughannoch was far more 
>> likely
>> to take them over the southern tip of Seneca Lake than to the southern tip of
>> Cayuga  Lake. As I look at Google Earth, that seems a much more likely 
>> location
>> that they fly over over than the southern tip of Cayuga. Measured in Google, 
>> it
>> looks to me that the southern tip of Cayuga Lake is more than 10 miles east 
>> of
>> due south from the tip of Taughannock.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John
>>
>> 
>> From: bounce-119895794-25065...@list.cornell.edu
>>  on behalf of Meena Madhav 
>> Haribal
>> 
>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:00 PM
>> To: k...@empacc.net
>> Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L
>> Subject: Re:[cayugabirds-l] Loon watch and foy here
>>
>> John,
>> I am not sure if they are following Susquehanna or they are just taking a 
>> direct
>> route. If you look up on the map, it seems they can fly directly to 
>> Chesapeake Bay
>> in direct line, they don't need to follow Route 15 as we do.  Route 15 is at 
>> least
>> 20 miles left to their target destination in our area. Also, as I mentioned
>> earlier the Cayuga Lake southern tip bends to east substantially by about  4 
>> or 5
>> miles to the east from Taughannock State park if draw straight line south.  
>> They
>> know what they are doing!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Meena
>>
>> Meena Haribal
>> Ithaca NY 14850
>> 42.429007,-76.47111
>> http://www.haribal.org/
>> http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/
>> Ithaca area moths: https://plus.google.com/118047473426099383469/posts
>> Dragonfly book sample pages: 
>> http://www.haribal.org/dragonflies/samplebook.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: John and Sue Gregoire 
>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 3:03 PM
>> To: Meena Madhav Haribal
>> Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L
>> Subject: Re: Loon watch and foy here
>>
>> Meena pls pass to Wes and Diane. Sue and I continued on to Seneca Lake where 
>> we
>> found no loons. In thinking about those high Southwestward flyers we believe 
>> they
>> had plenty of altitude to spot the Susquehanna and thus took a bit more 
>> direct
>> route
>> down Rte 15! (runs alongside the river from Corning south).
>>
>> At home we also had Fox Sparrow and our FOY American Tree Sparrow.
>>
>> Terrific morning with good company!
>>
>> John
>> --
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>> Field Ornithologists
>> 

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Stewart Park boundaries

2015-11-15 Thread Geo Kloppel
Afraid not. That's just where the well-established supremacy of the state's 
sole authority to regulate hunting comes in. This is not an issue where home 
rule rights might plausibly be asserted. State-wide regulation of hunting is 
clearly a preemptive "general law" as defined in Article IX of the state 
constitution, and elaborated in the state publication linked below, bottom of 
page 3.

https://www.dos.ny.gov/lg/publications/Adopting_Local_Laws_in_New_York_State.pdf

-Geo 

> 
> The question is whether the City can enforce its ban on the lake. Some people 
> say not. I thought that last year the mayor said he would test it. If 
> successful it would make most of the shallows at the south end of the lake 
> into a waterfowl sanctuary.
> --Dave Nutter

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[cayugabirds-l] Franklin's Gull, Myers Point

2015-11-15 Thread Jay McGowan
A few minutes ago an adult FRANKLIN'S GULL flew in to Myers Point,
apparently from the south, and landed on the north side of the spit, out of
sight for us at the lighthouse. We tried to reposition to get a look but it
flew before any other birds and quickly headed off to the north with some
Ring-billed. We are still here and it has not returned, but there is still
at least one Franklin's on Cayuga Lake!

Jay and Brad

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Loon watch and foy here

2015-11-15 Thread John Greenly
This is interesting. Taking another look at the map,  I see that birds 
diverging from the west shore of Cayuga above Taughannock would pass by 
Connecticut Hill  on a straight course toward the Chesapeake, and would 
converge with the Susquehanna at Sayre, Pa,  at its confluence with the Chemung 
River coming east from Corning. Might be interesting to have observers on Conn. 
Hill the next time there is a big flight.

As they go by us above Cayuga the birds are undoubtedly following the wind more 
than the water, and with a N wind there is a strong updraft generated up the 
hills westward from the lower part of the lake.  Maybe that's what they are 
using, to gain altitude.

--John Greenly


On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:20 AM, John and Sue Gregoire wrote:

> John, Meena,
> I was joking about following Rte 15 southbound! The majority of birds 
> yesterday were
> indeed flying on a line that would have taken them to Watkins Glen. Did they 
> turn?
> Where? Why?
> 
> These birds were at sufficient althitude to bring the rivers in view quickly 
> and the
> Bay within a very short time. Our old banding station on the Patuxent River 
> was at
> the same longitude as our current station between the lakes here.
> 
> I agree with a direct flight. The rivers only provide a sense of confidence 
> that, in
> case of an in-flight emnergency, a suitable divert field is available 
> throughout the
> journey south.
> 
> A few years ago some folks from the Maryland Orn. Soc. conducted a watch at Pt
> Lookout ( Md shore at confluence of the Potomac,Patuxent and the Bay). The 
> timing of
> touch downs there would coincide nicely with the flight times with tail wind 
> that we
> were discussing yesterday -about 5 hours.  All in all, much faster than we 
> can drive
> or sometimes fly IFR.
> 
> John
> -- 
> John and Sue Gregoire
> Field Ornithologists
> Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory
> 5373 Fitzgerald Road
> Burdett,NY 14818-9626
> N 42 26.611' W 76 45.492'
> Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/
> "Conserve and Create Habitat"
> 
> On Sat, November 14, 2015 21:00, John Greenly wrote:
>> Hi Meena and John
>> 
>> Have to chime in here, as the lake and I are rather good friends, from a few
>> thousand hours of rowing and sailing!  From Taughannock State Park it's 8 
>> miles on
>> the water to Stewart Park at the bottom end of the lake, and the west shore 
>> down
>> there (Hog Hole) is only 1.8 miles east of a direct southerly line from the 
>> shore at
>> Taughannock.  I don't know how you figured those large numbers of miles;  
>> below
>> Taughannock, around about Myers, the lake actually bends more southerly, not 
>> to the
>> east. On the other hand, Watkins Glen at the south end of Seneca Lake is 
>> about 17
>> miles WSW from Taughannock, a direction that would be just right if the 
>> Loons were
>> migrating to Pittsburgh.
>> 
>> I do wonder where they go from here though.  The Susquehanna takes an 
>> extremely
>> twisty course with a large easterly excursion in Pennsylvania, it would be
>> interesting to know whether they follow it or just go straight, which would 
>> save
>> hours of flight.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> John Greenly
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2015, at 6:42 PM, John Confer wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Meena,
>>> 
>>> Good to see you at Taughannoch.
>>> 
>>>  John and Sue Gregoire and I thought that some of the big, loose flocks of 
>>> loons
>>> that were well north of the point we stood on at Taughannoch was far more 
>>> likely
>>> to take them over the southern tip of Seneca Lake than to the southern tip 
>>> of
>>> Cayuga  Lake. As I look at Google Earth, that seems a much more likely 
>>> location
>>> that they fly over over than the southern tip of Cayuga. Measured in 
>>> Google, it
>>> looks to me that the southern tip of Cayuga Lake is more than 10 miles east 
>>> of
>>> due south from the tip of Taughannock.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: bounce-119895794-25065...@list.cornell.edu
>>>  on behalf of Meena Madhav 
>>> Haribal
>>> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:00 PM
>>> To: k...@empacc.net
>>> Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L
>>> Subject: Re:[cayugabirds-l] Loon watch and foy here
>>> 
>>> John,
>>> I am not sure if they are following Susquehanna or they are just taking a 
>>> direct
>>> route. If you look up on the map, it seems they can fly directly to 
>>> Chesapeake Bay
>>> in direct line, they don't need to follow Route 15 as we do.  Route 15 is 
>>> at least
>>> 20 miles left to their target destination in our area. Also, as I mentioned
>>> earlier the Cayuga Lake southern tip bends to east substantially by about  
>>> 4 or 5
>>> miles to the east from Taughannock State park if draw straight line south.  
>>> They
>>> know what they are doing!
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Meena
>>> 
>>> Meena Haribal
>>> Ithaca NY 14850
>>> 42.429007,-76.47111
>>> http://www.haribal.org/
>>> 

[cayugabirds-l] Stevenson compost birds

2015-11-15 Thread Kevin J. McGowan
I've been gone a week, but went out to the Cornell compost today to census 
crows and had a few noteworthy birds. In addition to the American and Fish 
crows I was seeking, I saw a single adult LESSER BLACK-BACKED GULL and an 
unexpected first-cycle ICELAND GULL. The Iceland was very pale and quite small, 
a good head smaller than the Herring Gulls around it. White wingtips, pale 
back, short, all-black bill. No Franklin's Gull, although I was hoping to find 
one to make my 10th gull species there.

Most unusual bird was a very dark, western calurus-type Red-tailed Hawk. I 
looked up and saw it soaring over the compost, coming in from the north. It was 
an all dark hawk, with head, body, and underwings all dark; lighter, but not 
bright primaries and secondaries, and a lighter, red tail. I got it in my 
binoculars and whipped my car around to get a better look. It sailed high over 
the compost, then joined in with another Red-tailed Hawk (a normal, 
pale-bellied bird) and circled over the fields to the east. My first thought 
was western red-tail, but I  asked myself what was the most likely dark buteo? 
Rough-legged Hawk is the most common dark hawk around here, and it is getting 
on into late November, so that would have to be the most likely thing. But, the 
bird did not have white in the primaries or at the base of the tail, and when I 
got the scope on it, the tail was definitely red. As I watched in the scope it 
banked towards me as it soared in a circle, and the head and breast showed dark 
reddish, contrasting slightly with the darker belly and underwings. It looked 
like a typical dark western Red-tailed Hawk, with noticeable fine dark barring 
in the flight feathers and tail. It circled with the other Red-tail and a 
couple of Turkey Vultures, and then drifted off to the SE over Ellis Hollow. I 
got some photos and will post the best ones soon.

Other birds of notes were 40 Brown-headed Cowbirds and a Fox Sparrow.

Kevin

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Franklin's Gull, Myers Point

2015-11-15 Thread Gary Kohlenberg
I went up the west side of the lake today shortly after Jay’s email. As 
yesterday, no luck finding the Franklin’s Gull, but the number of Loons on the 
lake is quite impressive. Most of the feeding activity is north of Sheldrake, 
both gulls and loons, and most of the birdlife is far from either shore making 
viewing a challenge for one teeny rare gull. Today’s nice weather and calmer 
winds were helpful and just at Dean’s Cove on one sweep across I counted over 
300 C. Loons.
I’m not sure where this mysterious Franklin’s Gull is spending its time, but I 
hope it continues to stay a while. The highest concentration of Bonaparte’s 
Gulls yesterday were at Mud Lock. I don’t necessarily think the Franklin’s Gull 
would favor hanging with any particular species, but just be attracted to good 
food sources indicated by others.

Gary


On Nov 15, 2015, at 11:03 AM, Jay McGowan 
> wrote:


No luck trying to refind the Franklin's from Long Point and Aurora, but we can 
see a large feeding flock of gulls on the water off Deans Cove on the west 
side, so if you are in that area it might be worth stopping in to take a look.

Jay

On Nov 15, 2015 8:15 AM, "Jay McGowan" 
> wrote:

A few minutes ago an adult FRANKLIN'S GULL flew in to Myers Point, apparently 
from the south, and landed on the north side of the spit, out of sight for us 
at the lighthouse. We tried to reposition to get a look but it flew before any 
other birds and quickly headed off to the north with some Ring-billed. We are 
still here and it has not returned, but there is still at least one Franklin's 
on Cayuga Lake!

Jay and Brad

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[cayugabirds-l] another one

2015-11-15 Thread joe & Diana
Hi, 
 Sorry about two posts, but I think there were two Yellow- headed Blackbirds, 
quite close together.

Diana Whiting
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[cayugabirds-l] Flycatchers at Lansing Center Trail

2015-11-15 Thread Sandy
I just heard a flycatcher call and saw three sparrow-sized birds fly away from 
me. I was
Slow to find my bins buried under stuff. Did see yellow on sides as wings were 
flapping. Many bugs on the trail today. Call I heard matched the call of great 
crested flycatcher  have they been seen here?

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[cayugabirds-l] yellow headed blackbird

2015-11-15 Thread joe & Diana
Hi All,  

What another beautiful day. There were thousands of blackbirds this afternoon 
on East Road. I was photographing them until the neighbor's plane repeatedly 
flew in circles around the fields, eventually scattering them. I have been 
interrupted in a lot of ways, but that is a new one. Maybe flying lessons were 
going on, but I was hoping they weren't going to fly into a flock of birds. 
Anyway, I am looking through the images and there is a yellow headed blackbird, 
a first for me.  Maybe they will be around tomorrow.

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