RE: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like same loon as two weeks ago
I did not see the loon of two weeks ago so I can't speak to any comparisons with today's bird. However, I too find it hard to believe two loons would make the same mistake. I'm still wondering just what kind of mistake was made. It seems unlikely any loon would try to land or take off from this small area of water. More likely a loon would land on the other side of the road where there is much more open water. I wonder, like someone mentioned two weeks ago, if the original loon was sucked through the culvert pipe, depositing the bird on the east side of the road. If the pipe diameter is even large enough to pass a loon this might explain the wing injury. If today's bird is a different loon the same scenario could explain it's predicament. There is a significant whirlpool above the culvert on the west side of the road and I saw no sign this morning that the road was flooded last night, giving a bird the chance to just swim across the road. Anyway, just some thoughts... David McCartt --- On Thu, 4/28/11, Melissa Groo wrote: From: Melissa Groo Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like same loon as two weeks ago To: wingmagi...@gmail.com, cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu Cc: wildthingssanctu...@gmail.com Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 2:46 PM I wasn't able to observe it for more than 5 minutes, but maybe someone else might have time in the next day or two to watch it for a bit to see if it extends its wings (of course absence of impairment would not mean it's not the original bird, which may have recovered). Like Kevin, I have a hard time believing another common loon made the same error. It is in the small patch of water on the east side of the road, near the southern tip of the preserve, which is where the other one was found, and last seen.There doesn't seem to be enough room there for a loon to take off. Melissa Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:47:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like same loon as two weeks ago From: wingmagi...@gmail.com To: k...@cornell.edu CC: melg...@hotmail.com; cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu; wildthingssanctu...@gmail.com Can anyone tell if this bird is suffering the same impairment of its wing as the original Loon. That may make this call a little easier. Also, for people who have observed this present Loon and the environs, is there a greater expanse of water that will allow the bird to take off this time, if it is not the injured one? Thanks. Linda -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like same loon as two weeks ago
I wasn't able to observe it for more than 5 minutes, but maybe someone else might have time in the next day or two to watch it for a bit to see if it extends its wings (of course absence of impairment would not mean it's not the original bird, which may have recovered). Like Kevin, I have a hard time believing another common loon made the same error. It is in the small patch of water on the east side of the road, near the southern tip of the preserve, which is where the other one was found, and last seen.There doesn't seem to be enough room there for a loon to take off. Melissa Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:47:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like same loon as two weeks ago From: wingmagi...@gmail.com To: k...@cornell.edu CC: melg...@hotmail.com; cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu; wildthingssanctu...@gmail.com Can anyone tell if this bird is suffering the same impairment of its wing as the original Loon. That may make this call a little easier. Also, for people who have observed this present Loon and the environs, is there a greater expanse of water that will allow the bird to take off this time, if it is not the injured one? Thanks. Linda -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like same loon as two weeks ago
Can anyone tell if this bird is suffering the same impairment of its wing as the original Loon. That may make this call a little easier. Also, for people who have observed this present Loon and the environs, is there a greater expanse of water that will allow the bird to take off this time, if it is not the injured one? Thanks. Linda On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Kevin J. McGowan wrote: > Beautiful shots, thanks for putting them up. As I suspected, it is hard to > tell what is what with the throat lines. When birds move their feathers > don’t move the way it seems they should, and their appearance can change > markedly. > > > > It could just be the result of further molt, but the 15 April bird is > missing some white feathers on the back that are there on the 28th. You can > see that it has dark “blanks” in the rows of white squares, on both sides. > The 28 April bird does not. > > > > Honestly, I find it hard to believe there would be 2 loons making the same > mistake, but who knows. > > > > Kevin > > > > *From:* Melissa Groo [mailto:melg...@hotmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:37 AM > *To:* Kevin J. McGowan; mccart...@yahoo.com; CAYUGABIRDS-L > > *Subject:* RE: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like > same loon as two weeks ago > > > > I'll defer to your judgement, Kevin. Unfortunately I only took a few other > pics today but will post what I have along with some similar poses from a > couple weeks back. > Up now at > *http://tinyurl.com/3sttrou* > I think this was a case of wishful thinking --I was one of the group who > tried to help that wayward one out of those waters a couple weeks ago, and I > was so hoping we'd have another try with the same one! > > Melissa > -- > > From: k...@cornell.edu > To: melg...@hotmail.com; mccart...@yahoo.com; > cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:01:39 -0400 > Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like > same loon as two weeks ago > > Nice photos. It’s hard to be very confident in comparing the two photos > because the birds are in just different enough postures to be confusing. > But, looking at the spots and the extent of the two white lines under the > chin, this does not look like the same bird to me. > > > > Melissa, do you have a few others you could post with a couple different > angles? > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > *From:* bounce-23023439-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto: > bounce-23023439-3493...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Melissa Groo > *Sent:* Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:20 AM > *To:* mccart...@yahoo.com; CAYUGABIRDS-L > *Subject:* RE: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like > same loon as two weeks ago > > > > I went to Goetchius at 9:30 and took some hurried shots in bad light, > compared them to my shots of the loon a couple weeks ago (taken on April > 15). It looks to me like it's the same loon, but would be interested to know > what others think. I'm concluding this particularly from looking at the last > few rows of the larger markings on the back. > I've posted the pics for anyone who's interested, at > *http://tinyurl.com/3sttrou* > > Melissa Groo > -- > > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 05:42:33 -0700 > From: mccart...@yahoo.com > Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon > To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu > > I drove by Goetchius this morning just before 8am and found a COMMON LOON > in the same spot as the the one from a week and a half ago. I only spent a > few seconds watching it but it looked healthy. > > David McCartt > > > -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like same loon as two weeks ago
Beautiful shots, thanks for putting them up. As I suspected, it is hard to tell what is what with the throat lines. When birds move their feathers don't move the way it seems they should, and their appearance can change markedly. It could just be the result of further molt, but the 15 April bird is missing some white feathers on the back that are there on the 28th. You can see that it has dark "blanks" in the rows of white squares, on both sides. The 28 April bird does not. Honestly, I find it hard to believe there would be 2 loons making the same mistake, but who knows. Kevin From: Melissa Groo [mailto:melg...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:37 AM To: Kevin J. McGowan; mccart...@yahoo.com; CAYUGABIRDS-L Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like same loon as two weeks ago I'll defer to your judgement, Kevin. Unfortunately I only took a few other pics today but will post what I have along with some similar poses from a couple weeks back. Up now at http://tinyurl.com/3sttrou I think this was a case of wishful thinking --I was one of the group who tried to help that wayward one out of those waters a couple weeks ago, and I was so hoping we'd have another try with the same one! Melissa From: k...@cornell.edu To: melg...@hotmail.com; mccart...@yahoo.com; cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:01:39 -0400 Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like same loon as two weeks ago Nice photos. It's hard to be very confident in comparing the two photos because the birds are in just different enough postures to be confusing. But, looking at the spots and the extent of the two white lines under the chin, this does not look like the same bird to me. Melissa, do you have a few others you could post with a couple different angles? Kevin From: bounce-23023439-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-23023439-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Melissa Groo Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:20 AM To: mccart...@yahoo.com; CAYUGABIRDS-L Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like same loon as two weeks ago I went to Goetchius at 9:30 and took some hurried shots in bad light, compared them to my shots of the loon a couple weeks ago (taken on April 15). It looks to me like it's the same loon, but would be interested to know what others think. I'm concluding this particularly from looking at the last few rows of the larger markings on the back. I've posted the pics for anyone who's interested, at http://tinyurl.com/3sttrou Melissa Groo Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 05:42:33 -0700 From: mccart...@yahoo.com Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu I drove by Goetchius this morning just before 8am and found a COMMON LOON in the same spot as the the one from a week and a half ago. I only spent a few seconds watching it but it looked healthy. David McCartt -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like same loon as two weeks ago
I'll defer to your judgement, Kevin. Unfortunately I only took a few other pics today but will post what I have along with some similar poses from a couple weeks back. Up now at http://tinyurl.com/3sttrou I think this was a case of wishful thinking --I was one of the group who tried to help that wayward one out of those waters a couple weeks ago, and I was so hoping we'd have another try with the same one! Melissa From: k...@cornell.edu To: melg...@hotmail.com; mccart...@yahoo.com; cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:01:39 -0400 Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like same loon as two weeks ago Nice photos. It’s hard to be very confident in comparing the two photos because the birds are in just different enough postures to be confusing. But, looking at the spots and the extent of the two white lines under the chin, this does not look like the same bird to me. Melissa, do you have a few others you could post with a couple different angles? Kevin From: bounce-23023439-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-23023439-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Melissa Groo Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:20 AM To: mccart...@yahoo.com; CAYUGABIRDS-L Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like same loon as two weeks ago I went to Goetchius at 9:30 and took some hurried shots in bad light, compared them to my shots of the loon a couple weeks ago (taken on April 15). It looks to me like it's the same loon, but would be interested to know what others think. I'm concluding this particularly from looking at the last few rows of the larger markings on the back. I've posted the pics for anyone who's interested, at http://tinyurl.com/3sttrou Melissa GrooDate: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 05:42:33 -0700 From: mccart...@yahoo.com Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon To: cayugabird...@cornell.edui drove by Goetchius this morning just before 8am and found a COMMON LOON in the same spot as the the one from a week and a half ago. I only spent a few seconds watching it but it looked healthy. David McCartt -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like same loon as two weeks ago
Nice photos. It's hard to be very confident in comparing the two photos because the birds are in just different enough postures to be confusing. But, looking at the spots and the extent of the two white lines under the chin, this does not look like the same bird to me. Melissa, do you have a few others you could post with a couple different angles? Kevin From: bounce-23023439-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-23023439-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Melissa Groo Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:20 AM To: mccart...@yahoo.com; CAYUGABIRDS-L Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like same loon as two weeks ago I went to Goetchius at 9:30 and took some hurried shots in bad light, compared them to my shots of the loon a couple weeks ago (taken on April 15). It looks to me like it's the same loon, but would be interested to know what others think. I'm concluding this particularly from looking at the last few rows of the larger markings on the back. I've posted the pics for anyone who's interested, at http://tinyurl.com/3sttrou Melissa Groo Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 05:42:33 -0700 From: mccart...@yahoo.com Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu I drove by Goetchius this morning just before 8am and found a COMMON LOON in the same spot as the the one from a week and a half ago. I only spent a few seconds watching it but it looked healthy. David McCartt -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon --looks like same loon as two weeks ago
I went to Goetchius at 9:30 and took some hurried shots in bad light, compared them to my shots of the loon a couple weeks ago (taken on April 15). It looks to me like it's the same loon, but would be interested to know what others think. I'm concluding this particularly from looking at the last few rows of the larger markings on the back. I've posted the pics for anyone who's interested, at http://tinyurl.com/3sttrou Melissa Groo Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 05:42:33 -0700 From: mccart...@yahoo.com Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu I drove by Goetchius this morning just before 8am and found a COMMON LOON in the same spot as the the one from a week and a half ago. I only spent a few seconds watching it but it looked healthy. David McCartt -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Goetchius Wetland- Common Loon
I drove by Goetchius this morning just before 8am and found a COMMON LOON in the same spot as the the one from a week and a half ago. I only spent a few seconds watching it but it looked healthy. David McCartt -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
