[cayugabirds-l] Hoary redpoll question.
Hi folks. I was watching some birds on a tray feeder recently -some redpolls, tree sparrows, siskins and a few house sparrows. One redpoll looked suspiciously like a hoary. While I've definitely seen 3 hoaries this winter, I haven't yet seen enough to feel really confident in positively identifying one. Needless to say the house sparrows were bullying the other birds, and all the other birds soon scattered. All but one - the "hoary" It would have none of the sparrows' bullying and, in fact, was quite aggressive toward them. It charged at them and caused THEM to flee. I was quite surprised by this so my question is this - do hoary redpolls tend to be more aggressive than common redpolls? Might this be another "mark" to help identify one? Thanks for the help. Pete Sar -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Hoary or not?
John wrote: By the way, even if some newer studies can find a nuclear difference, we still have to make a subjective decision about how much of a difference is sufficient for us to accept them as one or two species. Our decisions may turn out better (we may reverse ourselves less often) if we can relax our desire for bright lines enough to acknowledge that speciation events can only be recognized retrospectively: there will be cases in which it is simply too soon to tell whether a permanent parting of ways has occurred. A few tens-of-thousands of generations might give us the answer, but at present there may be no fact of the matter. -Geo Kloppel -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Hoary or not?
I think the genetic analyses provide very strong evidence for a lack of speciation between/among redpolls. Providing additional very weak support, I have been able to watch 20-100 redpolls on the railing of our deck about 10' from our dining table. It has seemed to me that there is a gradation in size and color between what could have been a Hoary and what looked more like a pale common redpoll. (One of three Hoary-like birds on our deck one was quite sick. I was kind of hoping that the Sharpy that has been hanging out in our yard {His arrival corresponded to a great the decline in redpolls, probably because the big flocks decided not to feed here} would get get his meal from this sick bird.) Still, I am not ready to totally reject the hypothesis of two species. I'm not totally convinced that they are only a gradation within the same species because of a similar situation with Golden-winged and Blue-winged warblers. At least as of a couple years ago there were no detected nuclear genetic markers that distinguished Golden-winged from Blue-winged warblers despite considerable effort to find them. But we know there are genetic differences between GW and BW. GW and BW look different. In some locations they select dramatically different microhabitats for nesting. They sing different primary songs (usually). They have distinct mitochondrial DNA, which suggests about 2 million years of isolation. If nulear DNA studies can't find the different genes that determine color, then such studies at a moderately detailed level by current techniques are not able to detect differences that we know do occur. By the way, even if some newer studies can find a nuclear difference, we still have to make a subjective decision about how much of a difference is sufficient for us to accept them as one or two species. Great fun this melding of nuclear genetics and birding. John From: bounce-72618183-25065...@list.cornll.edu [bounce-72618183-25065...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Geo Kloppel [geoklop...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:53 PM To: cayugabirds-l Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Hoary or not? Thanks, Laura, that ABA discussion was very interesting. I found myself in Ryan O'Donnell's camp; the reported lack of genetic differentiation between Common and Hoary Redpolls just didn't seem to justify the suggestion that we ought to practice Hoary Denial, and Andy Boyce's quick dismissal of the likely explanation left me groping for about three imperfectly remembered sentences from E. O. Wilson's popular writing. Happily, I didn't need to look them up, as Ryan neatly framed that explanation in just three words: incomplete lineage sorting. Redpolls at my feeders peaked near 300. I tried hard to call one or two of them Hoary, but for whatever reason, I just couldn't make it stick. My failure had little if anything to do with doubts about the legitimacy of the split, and I'm not challenging anyone else's distinctions, but somehow I still feel better after reading through that discussion! -Geo Kloppel On Jan 24, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Laura Stenzler l...@cornell.edumailto:l...@cornell.edu wrote: Hi All, I found a very interesting article (link below), followed by a discussion, about the ‘Hoary Redpoll Question” which you might want to look at. Don’t skip the comments at the end. There are some familiar names taking part in that discussion. Food for thought….. http://blog.aba.org/2013/01/open-mic-redpolls.html Laura Laura Stenzler Lab Manager Fuller Evolutionary Biology Program Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Rd. Ithaca, New York 14850 Office: (607) 254 2141 Lab:(607) 254 2142 Fax:(607) 254 2486 l...@cornell.edumailto:l...@cornell.edu -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basicshttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Informationhttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leavehttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm Archives: The Mail Archivehttp://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Nethttp://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBirdhttp://ebird.org/content/ebird/! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basicshttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Informationhttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leavehttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm Archives: The Mail Archivehttp://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Nethttp://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBirdhttp://ebird.org/content/ebird/! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http
Re:[cayugabirds-l] Hoary Redpolls, Sapsucker Woods
Hi all, Sorry if my email was at all ambiguous yesterday, I certainly did not mean to imply any doubt in the presence of these birds, only that I had not personally seen them but wanted to get the word out to those who hadn't heard. The only one I had seen at that point was what I called a probable female, only because I hadn't gotten a great look and wasn't sure if anyone else had seen it, but after seeing it again it looks great for a female Hoary. Several other reliable folks got looks at the male Hoary on Tuesday and I believe yesterday as well, as well as the two or more rostrata Commons. Here are a couple shots of the female Hoary a little before noon yesterday: https://picasaweb.google.com/37855303614931880/Winter20122013#5837046743855356226 https://picasaweb.google.com/37855303614931880/Winter20122013#5837046740542652034 https://picasaweb.google.com/37855303614931880/Winter20122013#5837046740484257202 https://picasaweb.google.com/37855303614931880/Winter20122013#5837046746606254146 https://picasaweb.google.com/37855303614931880/Winter20122013#5837046754743758850 https://picasaweb.google.com/37855303614931880/Winter20122013#5837046753371691938 Haven't heard any reports of these birds yet today, but the flock seems to still be around. Good birding, -Jay On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Jay McGowan jw...@cornell.edu wrote: A probable female and a reported male HOARY REDPOLL are frequenting the north (and presumably south) feeders at the Lab of Ornithology at Sapsucker Woods today (and for a couple of days before this, apparently.) Also reportedly at least two Greater (rostrata) Common Redpolls. Jay -- Jay McGowan Macaulay Library Cornell Lab of Ornithology jw...@cornell.edu -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Hoary or not?
Hi All, I found a very interesting article (link below), followed by a discussion, about the 'Hoary Redpoll Question which you might want to look at. Don't skip the comments at the end. There are some familiar names taking part in that discussion. Food for thought. http://blog.aba.org/2013/01/open-mic-redpolls.html Laura Laura Stenzler Lab Manager Fuller Evolutionary Biology Program Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Rd. Ithaca, New York 14850 Office: (607) 254 2141 Lab:(607) 254 2142 Fax:(607) 254 2486 l...@cornell.edumailto:l...@cornell.edu -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Hoary or not?
Thanks, Laura, that ABA discussion was very interesting. I found myself in Ryan O'Donnell's camp; the reported lack of genetic differentiation between Common and Hoary Redpolls just didn't seem to justify the suggestion that we ought to practice Hoary Denial, and Andy Boyce's quick dismissal of the likely explanation left me groping for about three imperfectly remembered sentences from E. O. Wilson's popular writing. Happily, I didn't need to look them up, as Ryan neatly framed that explanation in just three words: incomplete lineage sorting. Redpolls at my feeders peaked near 300. I tried hard to call one or two of them Hoary, but for whatever reason, I just couldn't make it stick. My failure had little if anything to do with doubts about the legitimacy of the split, and I'm not challenging anyone else's distinctions, but somehow I still feel better after reading through that discussion! -Geo Kloppel On Jan 24, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Laura Stenzler l...@cornell.edu wrote: Hi All, I found a very interesting article (link below), followed by a discussion, about the ‘Hoary Redpoll Question” which you might want to look at. Don’t skip the comments at the end. There are some familiar names taking part in that discussion. Food for thought….. http://blog.aba.org/2013/01/open-mic-redpolls.html Laura Laura Stenzler Lab Manager Fuller Evolutionary Biology Program Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Rd. Ithaca, New York 14850 Office: (607) 254 2141 Lab:(607) 254 2142 Fax:(607) 254 2486 l...@cornell.edu -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Hoary Redpolls, Sapsucker Woods
A probable female and a reported male HOARY REDPOLL are frequenting the north (and presumably south) feeders at the Lab of Ornithology at Sapsucker Woods today (and for a couple of days before this, apparently.) Also reportedly at least two Greater (rostrata) Common Redpolls. Jay -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Hoary Redpoll and Snow Buntings
This morning around 9:30 I looked out at the Redpolls and other birds at the feeders and found an overall lighter looking Redpoll with a white rump, and after a bit of watching, got a good enough look to confirm clean unstreaked under tail coverts, the first Hoary Redpoll on our yard list. It was feeding not at the feeders, but on the Black eyed Susan seed heads we had left in the front garden. Later this morning on my way home coming over Buffalo Hill Rd I found a flock of close to 100 Snow Buntings on the fields of the Snow Farm. This is the farm towards the south end of Buffalo Rd (the only farm on Buffalo Rd.) While I did look for Longspurs, and found none, it was not a long look, as it was quite windy up there and I was less warmly covered than I could have been... Bill Baker - This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Hoary Redpoll in Brooktondale
We have a Hoary Redpoll that's been coming consistently to our feeders in Brooktondale for the last few days!! It has taken me about 30 looks and a few pictures to convince myself, but it really does look different Sandy Podulka -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Hoary Redpolls
Hi all, I just saw a probable female HOARY REDPOLL in a group of about 220 Common Redpolls that were working (and by working I mean flying over and occasionally landing in trees for less than a minute at a time) the area around the parking area of the new FLLT preserve on Irish Settlement Road, south of Hammond Hill and north of the Park Preserve. This bird was paler and fluffier than the birds it was with, with two thin streaks on the side, ending before the flanks, a fluffy white rump, and apparently one thin streak on the undertail. The flock was not cooperative and there could have been other interesting birds. This may be the same group I had over the Park Preserve half an hour ago. This Hoary was very similar to a bird I had in a group of 350+ redpolls at Fire Lane E on Lake Como Road yesterday morning. In addition to this female, I had what appeared to be a male Hoary as well, perhaps the same that Ann reported last week. Birds were flighty and difficult there too, and there were some pale Commons as always, so be prepared for confusion and frustration. Always fun to watch, though. A group of 20+ EVENING GROSBEAKS was on East Lake Road here, but didn't stay long. Jay -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Hoary Redpoll
Hi All, Sorry for the late post. The Hoary Redpoll I saw was on Lake Como Road (in Summer Hill) at Nick's place. Sorry I don't know the exact address. I actually stayed on Lake Como Road even though his home is on the lake. There was a cleared off area, so... I grabbed my scope and watched from above. There were 3 or so feeders I could see, and Redpolls came in by the numbers. The Hoary was distinctive to me because there were hardly any strips on the sides. It did have a reddish breast, so it wasn't totally frosty. The face was a little more squished in than the other Redpolls. Three or so years back, Chris Wood and Jeff Gerbrecht helped me ID them. Good Birding, Ann ps While I was there I heard a bird call 3 times. I had no idea what it was and I couldn't find it. I am pretty good with bird songs, but I did't recognize that sound. If you go there, please pay attention to it. Thanks. -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Hoary Redpoll and N. Goshawk
We had a large flock (over three dozen) Redpolls descend on the feeders today and one was a classic Hoary; they joined Red-breasted Nuthatches and a huge flock of goldfinch as well as two Pine Siskins. While doing our count here this morning we had a beautiful adult male Northern Goshawk as well as a Northern Mockingbird, cowbirds and red-wings among the more common species. Merry Christmas to all JS -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ Conserve and Create Habitat -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re:[cayugabirds-l] Hoary Redpoll
Sorry for the somewhat vague directions earlier. The location we were referring to was what we have generally called Mud Lock, called Cayuga Lock in eBird and perhaps elsewhere. Tim and company found the flock on the west shore, opposite River Road on the east side. We parking in the small lot just north of the main parking area to view the eagle nest, then crossed the lock on the small bridge (I didn't know you could do that!) The redpoll flock was working a variety of weeds between two dikes on this side, probably 120-150 birds all together, though the flock size would vary as some birds moved out of sight behind the dikes. One of the birds was a fairly obvious female HOARY, extremely pale (visible even in flight), with very limited streaking on the sides, only a very thin streak on the undertail, and a fluffy white rump. A second female was very likely another Hoary, but not quite as obvious. Dim light and distant birds made for difficult photography, but here is a shot of the more obvious bird: https://picasaweb.google.com/37855303614931880/Winter20122013?authkey=Gv1sRgCLfOr5y2mYH36QE#5817549408969593586 Andrew Van Norstrand and I had been working up the lake and continued after the redpolls. Generally it was very quiet today with the wind and the rain. The only other real birds of note were several hundred Snow Geese and a single juvenile ROSS'S GOOSE that flew into Knox-Marsellus Marsh while we were scanning the other birds there. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Jay McGowan jw...@cornell.edu wrote: Brad tried to post earlier, but he, Tim, and Luke found a HOARY REDPOLL with 100+ Common Redpolls feeding in the weeds on the other side of the Cayuga Lock at the north end of the lake. Bird is still present. Jay -- Jay McGowan Macaulay Library Cornell Lab of Ornithology jw...@cornell.edu -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Hoary Redpolls
Hello all, Today there were ~150 COMMON REDPOLLS with 2 and maybe 3 HOARY REDPOLLS and ~20 American Goldfinches here at the house in Scott. There was a definite FEMALE HOARY REDPOLL and an IMMATURE FEMALE HOARY REDPOLL present. A third immature Hoary looked good, but it took off before I could get enough for a confirmation. cheers, Matt Young myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Hoary Redpole - Beaver Lake Nature Center - Onandaga County
Gerry Rising and I visited the many feeders at the center by late morning Thursday. A good variety and numbers of feeder birds plus we saw additional birds walking in from the parking lot ($3/car). The Redpoles were late arriving but most species showed within 30 minutes of sitting down in the comfortable rocking chairs. It was difficult finding the Hoary but it stayed around long enough for good looks. Not much happening that we could see on the west side .side of Sodus Bay. Jerry LazarczykGrand Island NY $65/Hr Job - 25 Openings Part-Time job ($20-$65/hr). Requirements: Home Internet Access http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4d54acae18a68249d36st03duc -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Hoary Redpoll, Greater Common Redpolls, Evening Grosbeaks and Purple Finches
Hello all, Julie and I did a little birding and then snowshoeing today. In Scott on Glen Haven Rd were 40+ COMMON REDPOLLS and 6 PURPLE FINCHES ( a few nice males). I talked to the person that lives at the Eaton Rd feeders Summerhill and he said he hadn't seen the flock of 30 Evening Grosbeaks in 10 days. I did however find 6 EVENING GROSBEAKS at the Hovel Chalet on Fillmore --this is just uphill from Eaton Rd. On Lake Como Rd at Fire Ln E there was a massive flock of 250+ COMMON REDPOLLS. In the 30 minutes I checked the flock I found 1 Immature ssp. exilipes HOARY REDPOLL, 1 possible Immature ssp. hornemanni Hoary Redpoll, and 2 good GREATER COMMON REDPOLLS. The possible hornemanni was noticeably large and the two Greater Commons also noticeably larger and darker than the other redpolls. The black bib was much more extensive on both Greater Common Redpolls. This flock is worth spending some time with. It's one of the most impressive redpoll flocks I've ever seen at a feeder station. I could have stayed all day, but needed to get going for some snowshoeing. cheers, Matt mail2web LIVE Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Hoary Redpolls- Richford
Hi All, This morning Esther and I were treated to the sight of 110+ Redpolls as they swirled around our front yard. Unfortunately I didn't have the time to really check them out but Esther did and she got a good count as they came down to forage under the feeders. There were still some up in the elm but they scattered before she could count them. However, she was pretty certain that there were a few HOARY REDPOLLS in this flock. She noted that these birds were distinctly lighter in color than the others and really stood out amongst the crowd. Good Birding, David McCartt Tubbs Hill Rd. Richford -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --