[PMX:#] Re: [cayugabirds-l] Hurricane Sandy and Birding Potential
On 10/27/2012 9:34 AM, Marie P Read wrote: I tend to agree with Steve and Susie, I feel very sorry for birds affected by these extreme weather events, and view birders' excitement over such rarities as the frigatebird that showed up in the Cayuga Basin a couple of years back (and subsequently died) as rather mawkish. Give me a bird in its native habitat any time. Marie But what we all tend to forget, or don't want to remember is that regardless of where any animal' range is, nature can and will change that habitat. This is not some plan cooked up by birders, this is the way nature works. We can only stand and watch, this is what we do. The fact that we may take the opportunity to view this does not make us anything less than human. We tend to over anthropomorphize when dealing with other species and forget just where all of this is in the grand scheme we call nature. Enjoy nature, warts and all. As for me, if a rare bird shows up for what ever reason, I will enjoy it's beauty, not it's misery. Carl "For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know" Unknown Marine Khe Sahn, Vietnam -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Hurricane Sandy and Birding Potential
I, too, feel sad about the birds harmed by storms, and also those harmed in migration, and those harmed by towers, windows, oil spills, cats, deliberate habitat destruction by humans, unthinking habitat destruction through climate change, natural predation (yes, the shock of witnessing death turns my stomach even when it is to feed another bird), the high mortality of young birds, the lost migrants who may die because they flew the wrong direction or may never refind their breeding range or a mate. Ever since Malthus we've known that vast numbers of creatures die senselessly. I'd go crazy if I dwelled on it all, but I would like to change some of the human causes which the birds seem less adapted for. I suspect many of my fellow birders agree with me, and don't feel it's necessary to add the above as a disclaimer to discussions of these aspects of birding. Meanwhile I do enjoy the living birds I find and even to an extent the dead ones. I certainly enjoy and learn more about birds in their native range and habitat, but I cannot afford to travel to other continents or even to other parts of this continent very often, and I am reluctant to fly anyway because of the high ecological impact, so seeing a rare bird here is a special thing for me. And I really appreciate the work by Dave Nicosia and the other folks at eBird toward our knowledge of birds' ranges, migration habits, and how they interact with the weather. --Dave NutterOn Oct 27, 2012, at 09:35 AM, Marie P Read wrote:I tend to agree with Steve and Susie, I feel very sorry for birds affected by these extreme weather events, and view birders' excitement over such rarities as the frigatebird that showed up in the Cayuga Basin a couple of years back (and subsequently died) as rather mawkish. Give me a bird in its native habitat any time. Marie (currently in CA watching Pinyon Jays in their native habitat!) Marie Read Wildlife Photography 452 Ringwood Road Freeville NY 13068 USA Phone 607-539-6608 e-mail m...@cornell.edu http://www.marieread.com ***NEW*** Music of the Birds Vol 1 ebook for Apple iPad now available from iTunes http://itunes.apple.com/us/book/music-of-the-birds-v1/id529347014?mt=11 From: bounce-69406086-5851...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-69406086-5851...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Susan Fast [sustf...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:12 AM To: 'david nicosia'; CAYUGABIRDS-L; 'Bluewing' Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Hurricane Sandy and Birding Potential Why the unbridled glee over “maximum birds”? Sure, you may get a chance for a few tick marks on meaningless lists, but this storm will be far from an enjoyable experience for millions of birds. Disorientation, cold, wet, lack of food, even survival. Check out what Nature sends our way, but employ a little perspective and empathy for the birds. S. & S. Fast Brooktondale From: bounce-69402228-9286...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-69402228-9286...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of david nicosia Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:02 PM To: Cayugabirds- L; Bluewing Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Hurricane Sandy and Birding Potential All, The forecast track of Sandy is highly unusual and could make for some very interesting birding in its wake. It will all depend on where the center of the storm tracks relative to central NY. Latest model guidance and the hurricane center's forecast track show that by Tuesday into Wednesday the storm's center will be nearly stalled from north central PA to central NY. The storm rapidly moves west from off the east coast back toward our region Monday/Tuesday and then stalls out and weakens over our area. The storm spends all its time out over the open ocean until its rapid westward motion to our area. Will Cayuga lake/Whitney Point Dam and other inland lakes/rivers see pelagics, tropical-like birds etc?? Tuesday will be bad with high winds and heavy rains given this track...Wednesday conditions improve...so either Wednesday or especially Thursday could present a unique opportunity for mega rarities in our area if this forecast pans out. I can't overemphasize enough to be safe first E Bird has a nice website on all this http://ebird.org/content/ebird/news/hurricane-sandy Check it out and let's hope we make it through the storm with minimal damage and maximum birds!!! Dave Nicosia -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html'>http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabir
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Hurricane Sandy and Birding Potential
I tend to agree with Steve and Susie, I feel very sorry for birds affected by these extreme weather events, and view birders' excitement over such rarities as the frigatebird that showed up in the Cayuga Basin a couple of years back (and subsequently died) as rather mawkish. Give me a bird in its native habitat any time. Marie (currently in CA watching Pinyon Jays in their native habitat!) Marie Read Wildlife Photography 452 Ringwood Road Freeville NY 13068 USA Phone 607-539-6608 e-mail m...@cornell.edu http://www.marieread.com ***NEW*** Music of the Birds Vol 1 ebook for Apple iPad now available from iTunes http://itunes.apple.com/us/book/music-of-the-birds-v1/id529347014?mt=11 From: bounce-69406086-5851...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-69406086-5851...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Susan Fast [sustf...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:12 AM To: 'david nicosia'; CAYUGABIRDS-L; 'Bluewing' Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Hurricane Sandy and Birding Potential Why the unbridled glee over “maximum birds”? Sure, you may get a chance for a few tick marks on meaningless lists, but this storm will be far from an enjoyable experience for millions of birds. Disorientation, cold, wet, lack of food, even survival. Check out what Nature sends our way, but employ a little perspective and empathy for the birds. S. & S. Fast Brooktondale From: bounce-69402228-9286...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-69402228-9286...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of david nicosia Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:02 PM To: Cayugabirds- L; Bluewing Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Hurricane Sandy and Birding Potential All, The forecast track of Sandy is highly unusual and could make for some very interesting birding in its wake. It will all depend on where the center of the storm tracks relative to central NY. Latest model guidance and the hurricane center's forecast track show that by Tuesday into Wednesday the storm's center will be nearly stalled from north central PA to central NY. The storm rapidly moves west from off the east coast back toward our region Monday/Tuesday and then stalls out and weakens over our area. The storm spends all its time out over the open ocean until its rapid westward motion to our area. Will Cayuga lake/Whitney Point Dam and other inland lakes/rivers see pelagics, tropical-like birds etc?? Tuesday will be bad with high winds and heavy rains given this track...Wednesday conditions improve...so either Wednesday or especially Thursday could present a unique opportunity for mega rarities in our area if this forecast pans out. I can't overemphasize enough to be safe first E Bird has a nice website on all this http://ebird.org/content/ebird/news/hurricane-sandy Check it out and let's hope we make it through the storm with minimal damage and maximum birds!!! Dave Nicosia -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds> BirdingOnThe.Net<http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds> BirdingOnThe.Net<http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Hurricane Sandy and Birding Potential
>>Why the unbridled glee over “maximum birds”? Sure, you may get a chance for a >>few tick marks on meaningless lists, but this storm will be >>far from an >>enjoyable experience for millions of birds. Disorientation, cold, wet, lack >>of food, even survival. Check out what Nature sends our >>way, but employ a >>little perspective and empathy for the birds. Well said S and S Fasts! Amen! I do hope not many of those poor birds and humans get caught in the hurricane and die in our area like the Magnificent Frigatebird did. Meena Meena Haribal Ithaca NY 14850 http://haribal.org/ http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/ From: bounce-69406086-3493...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-69406086-3493...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Susan Fast [sustf...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:12 AM To: 'david nicosia'; CAYUGABIRDS-L; 'Bluewing' Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Hurricane Sandy and Birding Potential Why the unbridled glee over “maximum birds”? Sure, you may get a chance for a few tick marks on meaningless lists, but this storm will be far from an enjoyable experience for millions of birds. Disorientation, cold, wet, lack of food, even survival. Check out what Nature sends our way, but employ a little perspective and empathy for the birds. S. & S. Fast Brooktondale From: bounce-69402228-9286...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-69402228-9286...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of david nicosia Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:02 PM To: Cayugabirds- L; Bluewing Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Hurricane Sandy and Birding Potential All, The forecast track of Sandy is highly unusual and could make for some very interesting birding in its wake. It will all depend on where the center of the storm tracks relative to central NY. Latest model guidance and the hurricane center's forecast track show that by Tuesday into Wednesday the storm's center will be nearly stalled from north central PA to central NY. The storm rapidly moves west from off the east coast back toward our region Monday/Tuesday and then stalls out and weakens over our area. The storm spends all its time out over the open ocean until its rapid westward motion to our area. Will Cayuga lake/Whitney Point Dam and other inland lakes/rivers see pelagics, tropical-like birds etc?? Tuesday will be bad with high winds and heavy rains given this track...Wednesday conditions improve...so either Wednesday or especially Thursday could present a unique opportunity for mega rarities in our area if this forecast pans out. I can't overemphasize enough to be safe first E Bird has a nice website on all this http://ebird.org/content/ebird/news/hurricane-sandy Check it out and let's hope we make it through the storm with minimal damage and maximum birds!!! Dave Nicosia -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds> BirdingOnThe.Net<http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds> BirdingOnThe.Net<http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Hurricane Sandy and Birding Potential
Why the unbridled glee over "maximum birds"? Sure, you may get a chance for a few tick marks on meaningless lists, but this storm will be far from an enjoyable experience for millions of birds. Disorientation, cold, wet, lack of food, even survival. Check out what Nature sends our way, but employ a little perspective and empathy for the birds. S. & S. Fast Brooktondale _ From: bounce-69402228-9286...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-69402228-9286...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of david nicosia Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:02 PM To: Cayugabirds- L; Bluewing Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Hurricane Sandy and Birding Potential All, The forecast track of Sandy is highly unusual and could make for some very interesting birding in its wake. It will all depend on where the center of the storm tracks relative to central NY. Latest model guidance and the hurricane center's forecast track show that by Tuesday into Wednesday the storm's center will be nearly stalled from north central PA to central NY. The storm rapidly moves west from off the east coast back toward our region Monday/Tuesday and then stalls out and weakens over our area. The storm spends all its time out over the open ocean until its rapid westward motion to our area. Will Cayuga lake/Whitney Point Dam and other inland lakes/rivers see pelagics, tropical-like birds etc?? Tuesday will be bad with high winds and heavy rains given this track...Wednesday conditions improve...so either Wednesday or especially Thursday could present a unique opportunity for mega rarities in our area if this forecast pans out. I can't overemphasize enough to be safe first E Bird has a nice website on all this http://ebird.org/content/ebird/news/hurricane-sandy Check it out and let's hope we make it through the storm with minimal damage and maximum birds!!! Dave Nicosia -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: <http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME> Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES> Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: <http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> The Mail Archive <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds> Surfbirds <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html> BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird <http://ebird.org/content/ebird/> ! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Hurricane Sandy and Birding Potential
All, The forecast track of Sandy is highly unusual and could make for some very interesting birding in its wake. It will all depend on where the center of the storm tracks relative to central NY. Latest model guidance and the hurricane center's forecast track show that by Tuesday into Wednesday the storm's center will be nearly stalled from north central PA to central NY. The storm rapidly moves west from off the east coast back toward our region Monday/Tuesday and then stalls out and weakens over our area. The storm spends all its time out over the open ocean until its rapid westward motion to our area. Will Cayuga lake/Whitney Point Dam and other inland lakes/rivers see pelagics, tropical-like birds etc?? Tuesday will be bad with high winds and heavy rains given this track...Wednesday conditions improve...so either Wednesday or especially Thursday could present a unique opportunity for mega rarities in our area if this forecast pans out. I can't overemphasize enough to be safe first E Bird has a nice website on all this http://ebird.org/content/ebird/news/hurricane-sandy Check it out and let's hope we make it through the storm with minimal damage and maximum birds!!! Dave Nicosia -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
