[ccp4bb] DNA length for crystallization

2012-02-15 Thread LISA
Hi all,

I have a DNA binding protein. I can get crystals when I mix 8-28 nt dsDNA
with my protein. But neither of them has good diffraction. Some biochemical
data said the longer of DNA, the tigher of the binding betwwen DNA and my
protein. The binding is not sequence-specfic. Does anyone have suggestion
of the optimization? What is the good length of DNA for crystallization?
Thank you.

Lisa


Re: [ccp4bb] DNA length for crystallization

2012-02-15 Thread Antony Oliver
Lisa, there isn't unfortunately a hard and fast rule for the length of DNA used 
in co-crystallisation. It usually is just a case of screening different 
lengths, permuting the sequence, and investigating overhangs or gaps in the DNA 
duplex.  We generally work with oligos between 8 and 21 nts in length, but 
there are many examples of longer DNAs being co-crystallised, the nucleosome 
comes to mind as an extreme example. 

Do you know if the protein binds better to DNA containing secondary structure 
elements, such as hairpin loops? This can make a difference, especially when 
you don't have sequence-specificity.

Tony O. 

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On 15 Feb 2012, at 08:07, LISA science...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I have a DNA binding protein. I can get crystals when I mix 8-28 nt dsDNA 
 with my protein. But neither of them has good diffraction. Some biochemical 
 data said the longer of DNA, the tigher of the binding betwwen DNA and my 
 protein. The binding is not sequence-specfic. Does anyone have suggestion of 
 the optimization? What is the good length of DNA for crystallization?
 Thank you.
 
 Lisa


Re: [ccp4bb] DNA length for crystallization

2012-02-15 Thread James Stroud
Use 5' overhangs of two and make the DNA 10, 11, 15, 20, 21 25, 26, 30, or 31 
bases in length. Count the overhangs in the length.

If you don't know where to start, try 15, 25, and 26 first because they will 
make 2(1) screws, which are good for crystals.

James


On Feb 15, 2012, at 1:06 AM, LISA wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I have a DNA binding protein. I can get crystals when I mix 8-28 nt dsDNA 
 with my protein. But neither of them has good diffraction. Some biochemical 
 data said the longer of DNA, the tigher of the binding betwwen DNA and my 
 protein. The binding is not sequence-specfic. Does anyone have suggestion of 
 the optimization? What is the good length of DNA for crystallization?
 Thank you.
 
 Lisa


Re: [ccp4bb] DNA length for crystallization

2012-02-15 Thread William G. Scott
This paper is a favorite:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2160019

J Mol Biol. 1990 May 5;213(1):159-66.
Crystallization of Escherichia coli catabolite gene activator protein with its 
DNA binding site. The use of modular DNA.




On Feb 15, 2012, at 12:06 AM, LISA wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I have a DNA binding protein. I can get crystals when I mix 8-28 nt dsDNA
 with my protein. But neither of them has good diffraction. Some biochemical
 data said the longer of DNA, the tigher of the binding betwwen DNA and my
 protein. The binding is not sequence-specfic. Does anyone have suggestion
 of the optimization? What is the good length of DNA for crystallization?
 Thank you.
 
 Lisa


Re: [ccp4bb] DNA length for crystallization

2012-02-15 Thread Xun Lu
Hi Lisa,

I will second James' suggestion. DNA packing seems really important, and
making the DNA length as X half turns is usually good for packing (X=2, 3,
4 ...).

Another thing you might want to try is Hoogstein base pairing.

Cheers,
Xun

On Wednesday, February 15, 2012, James Stroud xtald...@gmail.com wrote:
 Use 5' overhangs of two and make the DNA 10, 11, 15, 20, 21 25, 26, 30,
or 31 bases in length. Count the overhangs in the length.

 If you don't know where to start, try 15, 25, and 26 first because they
will make 2(1) screws, which are good for crystals.

 James


 On Feb 15, 2012, at 1:06 AM, LISA wrote:

 Hi all,

 I have a DNA binding protein. I can get crystals when I mix 8-28 nt
dsDNA with my protein. But neither of them has good diffraction. Some
biochemical data said the longer of DNA, the tigher of the binding betwwen
DNA and my protein. The binding is not sequence-specfic. Does anyone have
suggestion of the optimization? What is the good length of DNA for
crystallization?
 Thank you.

 Lisa


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