Re: [ccp4bb] Rigaku high voltage tank

2011-09-28 Thread William Scott
On Sep 28, 2011, at 7:15 AM, Artem Evdokimov wrote:

 Are you indeed referring to the oil-filled high voltage transformer core in
 the older model generators?

Yes.

 (Newer ones tend to use solid state voltage multipliers).

That sounds much more sane.

 I recall that there were issues with those things that were
 eventually traced to elevated humidity. Now, that was humidity around 80%
 which should not be the case for most systems these days since most of us
 seem to prefer humidity controlled environments (for the sake of the
 cryostreams) but it might be worth checking some local leaks etc.

Well, I'm at DIY-U, so this very likely is a potential source of the problem.

We have to supply our own hamsters for the electrical generators, too.

 One more reason that the tank transformer might go bad would be inadequate
 matching between power input and drain, especially high-drain situation
 caused by an undetected high current (like a parasite current too weak to
 cause arcing, but strong enough to damage transformer over time). Did
 your/Rigaku's engineer check the voltages and currents in the tube tower? Do
 you have the option to record currents while no one is attending the
 instrument (in the even that the problem is intermittent)?

I don't think anything like that was ever done, but I am not sure.  We shipped 
it back 
to them, and they need more money to continue diagnosis, so we are probably
just going to cut our losses on this decade-long nightmare.


 
 Artem
 On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Patrick Loll pat.l...@drexel.edu wrote:
 
 Bill,
 
 What do you mean by high voltage tank? When I hear this term, I think of
 the oil- (and PCB-) filled tank housing the transformer on an old generator;
 but there's nothing like that on the R-Axis. Do you mean the blue box
 housing the detector controller? If so, then I can tell you that we've had
 ours plugged into a 1000 VA UPS (APC Back UPS Pro) for 10 years, with never
 a glitch (and I'm told that Philly power is not pretty).
 
 If instead you're referring to the high voltage tank on the generator, then
 I have no idea of what to do (although replacing the power cable doesn't
 sound like a bad idea)...you'd probably need to steal an entire 7-11 to pay
 for a UPS large enough to condition power for that.
 
 Pat
 
 On 26 Sep 2011, at 10:15 PM, William G. Scott wrote:
 
 Hi Citizens:
 
 We seem to run through high voltage tanks on our Raxis IV like guano goes
 through a goose.  Has anyone else had this problem, and, more importantly,
 what is the best way to protect them.  I am assuming it might have something
 to do with our electrical supply, which is a bit unreliable.
 
 Also, does anyone have an extra used functional one they want to get rid
 of?  We've run out of 7-11s to rob to pay for this, and our friendly and
 helpful radiation safety staff think the best way to deal with this problem
 is to hack apart the power cable, so it is a current (so to speak) source of
 frustration.
 
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Bill
 
 
 
 
 
 William G. Scott
 Professor
 Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
 and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
 228 Sinsheimer Laboratories
 University of California at Santa Cruz
 Santa Cruz, California 95064
 USA
 
 

William G. Scott

Contact info:
http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/


Re: [ccp4bb] Rigaku high voltage tank

2011-09-27 Thread Patrick Loll
Bill,

What do you mean by high voltage tank? When I hear this term, I think of the 
oil- (and PCB-) filled tank housing the transformer on an old generator; but 
there's nothing like that on the R-Axis. Do you mean the blue box housing the 
detector controller? If so, then I can tell you that we've had ours plugged 
into a 1000 VA UPS (APC Back UPS Pro) for 10 years, with never a glitch (and 
I'm told that Philly power is not pretty).

If instead you're referring to the high voltage tank on the generator, then I 
have no idea of what to do (although replacing the power cable doesn't sound 
like a bad idea)...you'd probably need to steal an entire 7-11 to pay for a UPS 
large enough to condition power for that.

Pat

On 26 Sep 2011, at 10:15 PM, William G. Scott wrote:

 Hi Citizens:
 
 We seem to run through high voltage tanks on our Raxis IV like guano goes 
 through a goose.  Has anyone else had this problem, and, more importantly, 
 what is the best way to protect them.  I am assuming it might have something 
 to do with our electrical supply, which is a bit unreliable.
 
 Also, does anyone have an extra used functional one they want to get rid of?  
 We've run out of 7-11s to rob to pay for this, and our friendly and helpful 
 radiation safety staff think the best way to deal with this problem is to 
 hack apart the power cable, so it is a current (so to speak) source of 
 frustration.
 
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Bill
 
 
 
 
 
 William G. Scott
 Professor
 Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
 and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
 228 Sinsheimer Laboratories
 University of California at Santa Cruz
 Santa Cruz, California 95064
 USA
 


[ccp4bb] Rigaku high voltage tank

2011-09-26 Thread William G. Scott
Hi Citizens:

We seem to run through high voltage tanks on our Raxis IV like guano goes 
through a goose.  Has anyone else had this problem, and, more importantly, what 
is the best way to protect them.  I am assuming it might have something to do 
with our electrical supply, which is a bit unreliable.

Also, does anyone have an extra used functional one they want to get rid of?  
We've run out of 7-11s to rob to pay for this, and our friendly and helpful 
radiation safety staff think the best way to deal with this problem is to hack 
apart the power cable, so it is a current (so to speak) source of frustration.


Thanks in advance.

Bill





William G. Scott
Professor
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
and The Center for the Molecular Biology of RNA
228 Sinsheimer Laboratories
University of California at Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, California 95064
USA