Re: [cctalk] Replacing the Flyback Transformer From My VAXmate

2020-05-18 Thread Gregory Beat via cctalk
Rob -

It has been 35+ years since I worked for an Apple dealer, during the Macintosh 
announcement (and Apple sales, service training).  I no longer have any of 
those documents.  
The Apple Community is extensive, and a quick Google search turned up many 
comments about Flyback, Damping Diode, & CRT replacements for early Macintosh.
One individual acquired a replacement Flyback from Spain ($16 USD) for his 
Apple.
Suggest you research those Apple owners for Mac specifications — possible 
replacement.
https://macgui.com/news/article.php?t=446

greg

> On May 18, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Rob Jarratt  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for this. I am having trouble finding any information on them, such
> as datasheets. Any ideas where to find this kind of information?
> 
> Regards
> Rob
>> ==
>> From: "Rob Jarratt" 
>> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
>> Subject: Replacing the Flyback Transformer From My VAXmate
>> 
>> I am about as certain as I can be that the flyback transformer from my
>> VAXmate monitor board has failed. I know this is probably impossible, but I 
>> am 
>> wondering if there is a way to find a more modern equivalent? How
>> standardised are these things? I do see a lot that appear to have the same
>> circular arrangement of the pins.
>> 
>> The VAXmate one is a Tai-Ho TH-1802B and according the Technical
>> Description has a primary voltage of +28V and produces auxiliary voltages as 
>> follows:
>> 
>> +13.1kV @85uA max
>> +950V @200uA
>> +45V @75mA max
>> -100V @1.2mA
>> 
>> Regards
>> Rob


[cctalk] Re: Replacing the Flyback Transformer From My VAXmate

2020-05-18 Thread Gregory Beat via cctalk
Tai-Ho (Taiwan) was the OEM supplier for flyback transformers used by Apple in 
the early Macintosh computers (1984+).

Russell Industries (New York, USA) produced replacement flyback transformers 
for monitors and TVs, these appear on eBay and remaining TV repair supply 
houses.

As noted, while the circular pin-out is often standardized, the voltages need 
to be double-checked.

greg
chicago
==
From: "Rob Jarratt" 
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
Subject: Replacing the Flyback Transformer From My VAXmate

I am about as certain as I can be that the flyback transformer from my
VAXmate monitor board has failed. I know this is probably impossible, but I
am wondering if there is a way to find a more modern equivalent? How
standardised are these things? I do see a lot that appear to have the same
circular arrangement of the pins.

The VAXmate one is a Tai-Ho TH-1802B and according the Technical Description
has a primary voltage of +28V and produces auxiliary voltages as follows:

+13.1kV @85uA max
+950V @200uA
+45V @75mA max
-100V @1.2mA

Regards
Rob

Re: [cctalk] Replacing the Flyback Transformer From My VAXmate

2020-05-18 Thread Gregory Beat via cctalk
Rob -

A DEC Part Number would speed up your Part Search.
  
Radwell, a surplus dealer in New Jersey, lists a DEC terminal Flyback 
Transformer.
DEC Part number: 16-27975-01 (supposedly used in the DEC VT320 terminal)
https://www.radwell.com/en-US/Buy/MONITOR%20TECHNOLOGIES/MONITOR%20TECHNOLOGIES/16-27975-01

A quick search on eBay produced this flyback candidate by Dalbani, a Miami, FL 
reseller.
eBay auction # 123532693525
Replacement 16-27975-01 Flyback Transformer for DEC CRT TVs.

Please verify the part number to ensure compatibility. These Items are not 
manufactured anymore. Order before we are out of stock permanently. All items 
are new old stock and guaranteed for functionality.







RE: [cctalk] Re: Replacing the Flyback Transformer From My VAXmate

2020-05-18 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk



> -Original Message-
> From: cctech  On Behalf Of Gregory Beat via
> cctech
> Sent: 18 May 2020 20:08
> To: cct...@classiccmp.org
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Replacing the Flyback Transformer From My VAXmate
> 
> Tai-Ho (Taiwan) was the OEM supplier for flyback transformers used by
Apple
> in the early Macintosh computers (1984+).
> 
> Russell Industries (New York, USA) produced replacement flyback
transformers
> for monitors and TVs, these appear on eBay and remaining TV repair supply
> houses.
> 
> As noted, while the circular pin-out is often standardized, the voltages
need to
> be double-checked.


Thanks for this. I am having trouble finding any information on them, such
as datasheets. Any ideas where to find this kind of information?

Regards

Rob


> 
> greg
> chicago
> ==
> From: "Rob Jarratt" 
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> Subject: Replacing the Flyback Transformer From My VAXmate
> 
> I am about as certain as I can be that the flyback transformer from my
> VAXmate monitor board has failed. I know this is probably impossible, but
I am
> wondering if there is a way to find a more modern equivalent? How
> standardised are these things? I do see a lot that appear to have the same
> circular arrangement of the pins.
> 
> The VAXmate one is a Tai-Ho TH-1802B and according the Technical
> Description has a primary voltage of +28V and produces auxiliary voltages
as
> follows:
> 
> +13.1kV @85uA max
> +950V @200uA
> +45V @75mA max
> -100V @1.2mA
> 
> Regards
> Rob=



Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread David Kuder via cctalk
If anyone is interested in taking over my PS/2 mouse to DEC mouse adapter
(tested working on VAXStation, should also work on VT340+, etc)

https://bitbucket.org/tinyscsi/decmouse/raw/fc73c57dce5926ac1ab9f0958ba82cf1e8cbe88e/DECMouse.ino

You could implement both keyboard and mouse on one controller that has two
serial ports (I use Teensy's)

On Mon, May 18, 2020, 8:34 PM Ethan Dicks via cctalk 
wrote:

> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 6:34 PM Steve Malikoff via cctalk
>  wrote:
> > There is a project that seems to be going along the same idea,
> http://www.kbdbabel.org/
>
> Interesting starting point, but I tried to browse the code and it
> flashed up instructions for how to use cvs or rsync to pull the code
> down.
>
> Last substantial update seems to be from 2009.  Lots of 8051 source.
> Not impossible to still find those, but a little on the chunky side
> for this decade.
>
> One could learn much from reading the code and inspecting the
> schematics, I'm sure.
>
> -ethan
>


Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
Sophie Haskins wrote:
> A long term dream of mine is to build some sort of general-purpose box
> that can make connections to arbitrary vintage computer
> keyboard/mouse/video ports, and connect in to modern HDMI & USB
> peripherals to make it easier to just pull a machine off the shelf and
> get going.

I'm kind of moving in this direction a tiny bit.  I have a set of
software emulators that I install on Raspberry Pis.  My idea is that
they should boot straight into the emulator and connect to a host
computer over the network.


Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Ron Pool via cctalk
If anyone wants a PS/2 keyboard adapter that emulates an LK201, there's Peter 
Bosch's Arduino Nano based lk201emu: https://github.com/peterbjornx/lk201emu
His writeup on this is still in the Wayback Machine: 
https://web.archive.org/web/20180703165508/https://peterbjornx.nl/vtkbd/
I can no longer find a copy of Peter's schematic for this online, but at some 
point I grabbed a copy of it.  I've renamed it from schem.pdf to 
lk201emu-schem.pdf and made it available at: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1XmRClTCoIedfXDcUbcaJi-A9QXr7SCEo

-- Ron
 





FTGH - Decstation 5000 plus many extras

2020-05-18 Thread Kevin Parker via cctalk

Lets have another go (but this time I have some pictures)

Decstation 5000/125 – also houses a CD drive.
Two expansion storage boxes – one has a tape drive and the other one has 
a floppy drive.
Two very large and heavy RGB Digital monitors – one has both Digital and 
Sony branding on the back of it. I haven’t dug the other one out as its 
in a corner and is dam heavy but it looks the same as the other one.

Box of spares (RAM, CPU's, HDDs etc.)

I’ve never powered it up – it was a rescue – I believe it was a server 
in a TAFE college in Adelaide. This is all I got from the rescue bar the 
box of spares. The original owner had tossed all the documentation and 
software.


Please note that the stand is not included in my offer and its located 
in south western Victoria (Australia).


Photos:

http://koken.advancedimaging.com.au/index.php?/albums/decstation/


Kevin Parker




Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 6:34 PM Steve Malikoff via cctalk
 wrote:
> There is a project that seems to be going along the same idea, 
> http://www.kbdbabel.org/

Interesting starting point, but I tried to browse the code and it
flashed up instructions for how to use cvs or rsync to pull the code
down.

Last substantial update seems to be from 2009.  Lots of 8051 source.
Not impossible to still find those, but a little on the chunky side
for this decade.

One could learn much from reading the code and inspecting the
schematics, I'm sure.

-ethan


Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 6:47 PM sales--- via cctalk
 wrote:
> On 2020-05-18 17:34, Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote:
> > There is a project that seems to be going along the same idea,
> > http://www.kbdbabel.org/
> >
> > Steve.
>
> Except that I can tell you from experience that not all 4p4c terminal
> keyboards are interchangeable. I you plug a Wyse into a Televideo, or
> vice versa, the keyboard will not work, and sometimes causes a small
> fire

That is very true.  DEC LK201/LK401, etc, and compatibles are all +12V
devices with +12V and gnd on specific pins (not mirrored or
mirror-safe).  I have, as I mentioned, a Planar terminal, an ELT-320.
It is a third-party device with an LK201 socket (and a PC-AT keyboard
socket - either one can be used).  Other vendors are free to do as
they please because they expect to sell you a device with their
keyboard.  I'm sure some are +5V devices and many are +12V.  Doesn't
take much of a difference to cause problems, especially if your +12V
line isn't current-limited.

Making a universal keyboard interface definitely faces some physical challenges.

-ethan


Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread sales--- via cctalk

On 2020-05-18 17:34, Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote:

Sophie said
I would absolutely be interested in this - while I'd love to use 
original hardware where possible, it's not always easy to get 
peripherals at the same time as machines. A long term dream of mine is 
to build some sort of general-purpose box that can make connections to 
arbitrary vintage computer

keyboard/mouse/video ports, and connect in to modern HDMI & USB
peripherals to make it easier to just pull a machine off the shelf and
get going.
There is a project that seems to be going along the same idea,
http://www.kbdbabel.org/

Steve.


Except that I can tell you from experience that not all 4p4c terminal 
keyboards are interchangeable. I you plug a Wyse into a Televideo, or 
vice versa, the keyboard will not work, and sometimes causes a small 
fire


Cindy


Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Steve Malikoff via cctalk
Sophie said
> I would absolutely be interested in this - while I'd love to use original 
> hardware where possible, it's not always easy to get peripherals at the same 
> time as machines. A long term dream of mine is to build some sort of 
> general-purpose box that can make connections to arbitrary vintage computer
keyboard/mouse/video ports, and connect in to modern HDMI & USB peripherals to 
make it easier to just pull a machine off the shelf and get going.
There is a project that seems to be going along the same idea, 
http://www.kbdbabel.org/

Steve.



RE: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Electronics Plus via cctalk
Readymade cables exist to allow Wyse and other terminal keyboards to work on 
USB. Would a reverse of this work?



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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Warner Losh 
via cctalk
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 4:48 PM
To: Ethan Dicks; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: LK201 emulation

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:46 PM Ethan Dicks via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 5:28 PM Paul Koning via cctalk
>  wrote:
> > What I was talking about is a way to use a PC USB keyboard in place of
> an LK201, when your last remaining real LK201 has just failed.  That
> involves a USB jack, a LK201-compatible handset jack, some electronics, and
> software to speak the protocols involved.  That's what I have just
> prototyped.
>
> I would make a few of these.  Could be handy at a VCF if your LK201
> dies, or doesn't fit in your luggage.
>

I'd want a couple of these, especially if it let my Rainbow boot 'headless'
otherwise. I've been experimenting with different LCD displays in an effort
to replace the VR201 display with that. If I could then plug in any old
keyboard I had laying around (USB or PS/2) that would be really nice...

Warner


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Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:46 PM Ethan Dicks via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 5:28 PM Paul Koning via cctalk
>  wrote:
> > What I was talking about is a way to use a PC USB keyboard in place of
> an LK201, when your last remaining real LK201 has just failed.  That
> involves a USB jack, a LK201-compatible handset jack, some electronics, and
> software to speak the protocols involved.  That's what I have just
> prototyped.
>
> I would make a few of these.  Could be handy at a VCF if your LK201
> dies, or doesn't fit in your luggage.
>

I'd want a couple of these, especially if it let my Rainbow boot 'headless'
otherwise. I've been experimenting with different LCD displays in an effort
to replace the VR201 display with that. If I could then plug in any old
keyboard I had laying around (USB or PS/2) that would be really nice...

Warner


Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 5:28 PM Paul Koning via cctalk
 wrote:
> What I was talking about is a way to use a PC USB keyboard in place of an 
> LK201, when your last remaining real LK201 has just failed.  That involves a 
> USB jack, a LK201-compatible handset jack, some electronics, and software to 
> speak the protocols involved.  That's what I have just prototyped.

I would make a few of these.  Could be handy at a VCF if your LK201
dies, or doesn't fit in your luggage.

-ethan


Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 5:20 PM Electronics Plus via cctalk
 wrote:
> Do you guys want original LK201s, or other keyboards that LOOK like LK201s
> in the caps and layout, or converters?
> I am a little confused...   LK201 clones do not have the clip offset on the
> terminal connector, so you would have to replace the connector. I have no
> idea if the protocol, voltage, etc is the same.

LK201 keyboards and variants (LK401, clones, etc) have a narrow 4p4c
"handset jack" connector, not offset like an MMJ serial connector.

The power is +12V, the serial protocols are the same.  I've used
LK401s on VT220s and Rainbows, I've used LK401s and LK201s on a Planar
terminal with an "LK201" input jack.  That part is standard.

Speaking for myself, I have a pile of devices (DECmates,
Professionals, Rainbows, VT220, VT240...) that have a 4-place narrow
handset jack for a keyboard, and most of them are expecting an LK201.
I also have a large assortment of LK201s (with and without the WPS/EDT
"Gold Key" keycaps) and 1-2 smaller but compatible keyboards.  Every
time I pull an LK201 off the shelf, I'm wondering if it's going to
work.  I have 2-3 dead ones for sure.  I think at least one of them
has a dead matrix because IIRC, it was causing "4 - keyboard error"
until I dismantled it and unplugged the mylar keyboard matrix sheet.
I suspect that the paint layer has either oxidized to high
resistance/open circuit or there's a short somewhere.  I haven't
investigated that further.  I am also aware of some electronics
failures.  I can obviously mix and match bits to have as many working
keyboards as possible, but that is a finite decreasing number.

What I would find handy in one regard is being able to use a PS/2 or
USB modern keyboard on 1980s DEC equipment as if I was plugging in an
LK201.

I would also probably employ a device that I could plug a real DEC
keyboard into but that talked PS/2 or USB to be able to use that with
a modern machine.  One application would be to use it with Simh or
even just a dumb terminal emulator (Glass, etc) with a real terminal
feel.

I might employ a device that replaced the electronics in a dead LK201
but I wouldn't need that many of them.

-ethan

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Sophie
> Haskins via cctalk
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 3:41 PM
> To: Paul Koning; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: LK201 emulation
>
> I would absolutely be interested in this - while I'd love to use original
> hardware where possible, it's not always easy to get peripherals at the same
> time as machines. A long term dream of mine is to build some sort of
> general-purpose box that can make connections to arbitrary vintage computer
> keyboard/mouse/video ports, and connect in to modern HDMI & USB peripherals
> to make it easier to just pull a machine off the shelf and get going.
>
> > On May 17, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk
>  wrote:
> >
> > Gentlepeople,
> >
> > I've been having problems with broken LK201s, so as a workaround I created
> an adapter that connects to a standard PC USB keyboard and makes it look
> like an LK201.  It's based on an Arduino (specifically, Adafruit Trinket M0,
> an amazingly tiny yet powerful small microprocessor).
> >
> > It's working at this point, though it needs a few small software tweaks to
> make it complete.  I'm going to turn my breadboard into something slightly
> more polished.
> >
> > Question to the list: is this something that would be of interest to
> others?  If yes, I can make the design available.  Perhaps the PCB layout
> and parts list.  I don't think I want to get into building units for others,
> though.
> >
> >   paul
> >
>
>
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Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
Paul Koning wrote:
>> On May 18, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> ...
>> I also find myself with several flakey LK201s.
>> 
>> To be honest, I wouldn't be interested in replacing them with PC keyboards.
>> I'd prefer to get my LK201s back in action.
>> 
>> If the issues are in the keyswitches or the flexi-print stuff connecting them
>> to the electronics, it looks like it will be nearly impossible to do anything
>> with them.
>
> Yes, and that is the case with mine.  I know from years past that those
> switches are vulnerable to contamination.
>

I fear it may be the same with mine.  Most of mine seem to behave as if keys
are intermittently stuck down but no amount of tapping, shaking etc seems
to help.

>
>> However, if it turns out that the issues are in the electronics part of the
>> keyboard and they are not easily repairable for one reason or another, I may
>> be interested in a drop in replacement for the original electronics.
>
> Since that wasn't my scenario I haven't tried to do that.  It seems easy
> enough.  The main issue is that you need a controller with enough I/O lines
> to run the scan.  A BeagleBone would be ample; an Arduino might not be.
>

Fair enough.  Sorry for the digression.

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.

>   paul
>


Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk



> On May 18, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Electronics Plus via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do you guys want original LK201s, or other keyboards that LOOK like LK201s
> in the caps and layout, or converters?
> I am a little confused...   LK201 clones do not have the clip offset on the
> terminal connector, so you would have to replace the connector. I have no
> idea if the protocol, voltage, etc is the same.

I think you're confused between terminals and keyboards.

LK201 keyboards don't have offset clips (MMJ connectors).  Instead, they use a 
standard telephone handset connector. 

What I was talking about is a way to use a PC USB keyboard in place of an 
LK201, when your last remaining real LK201 has just failed.  That involves a 
USB jack, a LK201-compatible handset jack, some electronics, and software to 
speak the protocols involved.  That's what I have just prototyped.

paul



RE: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Electronics Plus via cctalk
Do you guys want original LK201s, or other keyboards that LOOK like LK201s
in the caps and layout, or converters?
I am a little confused...   LK201 clones do not have the clip offset on the
terminal connector, so you would have to replace the connector. I have no
idea if the protocol, voltage, etc is the same.

Cindy

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Sophie
Haskins via cctalk
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 3:41 PM
To: Paul Koning; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: LK201 emulation

I would absolutely be interested in this - while I'd love to use original
hardware where possible, it's not always easy to get peripherals at the same
time as machines. A long term dream of mine is to build some sort of
general-purpose box that can make connections to arbitrary vintage computer
keyboard/mouse/video ports, and connect in to modern HDMI & USB peripherals
to make it easier to just pull a machine off the shelf and get going.

> On May 17, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk
 wrote:
> 
> Gentlepeople,
> 
> I've been having problems with broken LK201s, so as a workaround I created
an adapter that connects to a standard PC USB keyboard and makes it look
like an LK201.  It's based on an Arduino (specifically, Adafruit Trinket M0,
an amazingly tiny yet powerful small microprocessor).
> 
> It's working at this point, though it needs a few small software tweaks to
make it complete.  I'm going to turn my breadboard into something slightly
more polished.
> 
> Question to the list: is this something that would be of interest to
others?  If yes, I can make the design available.  Perhaps the PCB layout
and parts list.  I don't think I want to get into building units for others,
though.
> 
>   paul
> 


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Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Sophie Haskins via cctalk
I would absolutely be interested in this - while I'd love to use original 
hardware where possible, it's not always easy to get peripherals at the same 
time as machines. A long term dream of mine is to build some sort of 
general-purpose box that can make connections to arbitrary vintage computer 
keyboard/mouse/video ports, and connect in to modern HDMI & USB peripherals to 
make it easier to just pull a machine off the shelf and get going.

> On May 17, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Gentlepeople,
> 
> I've been having problems with broken LK201s, so as a workaround I created an 
> adapter that connects to a standard PC USB keyboard and makes it look like an 
> LK201.  It's based on an Arduino (specifically, Adafruit Trinket M0, an 
> amazingly tiny yet powerful small microprocessor).
> 
> It's working at this point, though it needs a few small software tweaks to 
> make it complete.  I'm going to turn my breadboard into something slightly 
> more polished.
> 
> Question to the list: is this something that would be of interest to others?  
> If yes, I can make the design available.  Perhaps the PCB layout and parts 
> list.  I don't think I want to get into building units for others, though.
> 
>   paul
> 



Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 8:32 AM Paul Koning via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> > However, if it turns out that the issues are in the electronics part of
> the
> > keyboard and they are not easily repairable for one reason or another, I
> may
> > be interested in a drop in replacement for the original electronics.
>
> Since that wasn't my scenario I haven't tried to do that.  It seems easy
> enough.  The main issue is that you need a controller with enough I/O lines
> to run the scan.  A BeagleBone would be ample; an Arduino might not be.
>

Yea. I have one LK201 that I fried the controller board on by connecting
12V to the wrong lead and popping a few components off the board...  I've
replaced the exploded ones and it still doesn't work :( Would be cool to be
able to use it again...

Warner


RE: Evans & Sutherland PS-2?

2020-05-18 Thread markwgreen--- via cctalk
I have one, but no documentation I'm afraid.  The last time I turned it on was 
20 years ago.  The last thing I remember is the fuse in the display blowing.  I 
ordered replacements, but never got it going again.

They take a lot of power, where mine is currently sitting I don't have the 
power to bring it up.  In the next year or so I plan to build a special room 
with lots of power for my old graphics devices.  I'll get back on it then, 
hopefully I'll be at least semi-retired by then.

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From: cctalk  On Behalf Of Brad Parker via cctalk
Sent: May 18, 2020 2:15 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Evans & Sutherland PS-2?

Does anyone have, or know of low level documentation for Evans & Sutherland 
Picture System 2 hardware?

I walk past a PS-2 monitor all the time and some of us started talking about 
bringing it back to life.  I'm not sure if more of the system exists, but it 
might.  I plan to check.

I looked on bitsavers and there's nothing I could find on the picture system.  
Other E&S hardware, but not PS.

Anyone know if any systems still exist?  I'd have to think the CHM has at least 
one.   Back in the day they were sort of required for anyone doing commercial 
animation (or at least, that's what I could claim/recall but it was a long time 
ago)

Brad





Re: Evans & Sutherland PS-2?

2020-05-18 Thread Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
Brad Parker wrote:
> Does anyone have, or know of low level documentation for Evans &
> Sutherland Picture System 2 hardware?

Sorry, I can't help.  Is there any software for it?

I do consider making an emulator for the E&S LDS-1.


Evans & Sutherland PS-2?

2020-05-18 Thread Brad Parker via cctalk
Does anyone have, or know of low level documentation for Evans & 
Sutherland Picture System 2 hardware?


I walk past a PS-2 monitor all the time and some of us started talking 
about bringing it back to life.  I'm not sure if more of the system 
exists, but it might.  I plan to check.


I looked on bitsavers and there's nothing I could find on the picture 
system.  Other E&S hardware, but not PS.


Anyone know if any systems still exist?  I'd have to think the CHM has 
at least one.   Back in the day they were sort of required for anyone 
doing commercial animation (or at least, that's what I could 
claim/recall but it was a long time ago)


Brad




Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk



> On May 18, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> ...
> I also find myself with several flakey LK201s.
> 
> To be honest, I wouldn't be interested in replacing them with PC keyboards.
> I'd prefer to get my LK201s back in action.
> 
> If the issues are in the keyswitches or the flexi-print stuff connecting them
> to the electronics, it looks like it will be nearly impossible to do anything
> with them.

Yes, and that is the case with mine.  I know from years past that those 
switches are vulnerable to contamination.

> However, if it turns out that the issues are in the electronics part of the
> keyboard and they are not easily repairable for one reason or another, I may
> be interested in a drop in replacement for the original electronics.

Since that wasn't my scenario I haven't tried to do that.  It seems easy 
enough.  The main issue is that you need a controller with enough I/O lines to 
run the scan.  A BeagleBone would be ample; an Arduino might not be.

paul



Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
Paul Koning wrote:
>
> Gentlepeople,
> 
> I've been having problems with broken LK201s, so as a workaround I created
> an adapter that connects to a standard PC USB keyboard and makes it look
> like an LK201.  It's based on an Arduino (specifically, Adafruit Trinket M0,
> an amazingly tiny yet powerful small microprocessor).
>
> It's working at this point, though it needs a few small software tweaks to
> make it complete.  I'm going to turn my breadboard into something slightly
> more polished.
> 
> Question to the list: is this something that would be of interest to others?
> If yes, I can make the design available.  Perhaps the PCB layout and parts
> list.  I don't think I want to get into building units for others, though.
>

I also find myself with several flakey LK201s.

To be honest, I wouldn't be interested in replacing them with PC keyboards.
I'd prefer to get my LK201s back in action.

If the issues are in the keyswitches or the flexi-print stuff connecting them
to the electronics, it looks like it will be nearly impossible to do anything
with them.
   
However, if it turns out that the issues are in the electronics part of the
keyboard and they are not easily repairable for one reason or another, I may
be interested in a drop in replacement for the original electronics.

I've opened up one of mine just now and extracted the PCB.  There are eight
10 microfarad axial electrolytic capacitors on it.  Each of them has some green
salty corrosion deposits on one or both of their leads while the leads on the
other components are bright and shiney.  If I had spares available, I would
try replacing these components and see if it makes a difference.  I unsoldered
them anyway in case they cause damage to the PCB.  Most of them measured ok
on the capacitance range on my multimeter but one of them reads only 3.5
microfarads.

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.


>   paul
>


Re: LK201 emulation

2020-05-18 Thread Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
Paul Koning wrote:
> Question to the list: is this something that would be of interest to
> others?  If yes, I can make the design available.  Perhaps the PCB
> layout and parts list.

Yes, I'm interested.  I also have a broken LK201, and I have a Trinket
lying around.