Source for DEC TC01 (and similar) bulbs?
Anyone sitting on a pile of these or know where to find some? These were originally Dialco 507-3917 or Drake 11-507 based on what was installed in mine. 24V, 40mA, white. A total of 23 bulbs were dead on my TC01's panel. I've installed a pile of electrically/physically compatible bulbs that I happened to have, but they're yellow/orange and have a different visual design (the yellow lens sticks out 1/8" or so, whereas the orginals were flush). I'm honestly fine with using them but it'd be nice to have something that looks original. And a small progress update: Found that the IOT decode for READ STATUS B wasn't working, which is done on the W103 decoder at E/F19. With that resolved the diagnostics are behaving much more rationally. This took me much too long to trace down, but I learned a lot about how the controller works and found a fun (but ultimately harmless) bug in the Basic Exerciser diagnostic that threw me off for a couple of days... The Search Scope loop diagnostic shows block numbers going by in both directions so a lot of the drive and controller are working, but there's some glitchiness in bits 2, 5, 8, and 11 of the data so I need to trace that down; I hope it's not the tape head. - Josh
Re: PDP-11/70 Boards
On 12/4/21 7:02 PM, Fritz Mueller via cctalk wrote: On Dec 4, 2021, at 3:57 PM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: What kind of load tester are you looking to buy? I have an 11/45 which I need to test the power supplies on too. My experience with an 11/45 (serial # 343) was that the regulators were pretty indestructable, but the AMP Mate-n-Lok connectors burned up on a regular basis. Jon
Re: PDP-11/70 Boards
> On Dec 4, 2021, at 3:57 PM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk > wrote: > What kind of load tester are you looking to buy? I have an 11/45 which I need > to test the power supplies on too. I picked up a Kunkin KP184 this last year, and it does nicely for testing those brick regulators and the power control boards in isolation (a bit more convenient than the old light bulb or power resistor approach.) Some of the large electrolytics in those bricks will likely have dried out. I disassemble and “reform" these with a bench supply and current limiting resistor on any of these bricks I have not yet personally serviced (Yes, I know the reforming thing is controversial for some. I think its safe to say it at least doesn’t hurt anything :-) Check the big bridge rectifiers carefully; I’ve seen a few of those cracked or toasted. It’s also been my experience that beyond the bricks that are dead or fail at the start, some smaller fraction will also let go after the first few hours of continuous operation. The don’t tend to fail with fireworks — you’ll generally get a slowly increasing whiff of magic smoke so generally plenty of time to shut things down. The operation indicator bulbs on these seem almost always dead. You can sub CM7381 for the +5V regulators, and OL-6003BP for the -15V. Last, if you have H742 supplies on your 11/45, be sure to check the small muffin fan above the power control board. It is quite common for parts of the internal wiring harness to rub up against these and stall them out, eventually leading to a fried controller board. Good luck! Good winter time project :-) —FritzM.
Re: Women of Computing
Yea Lego is finicky with lugs Mostly for access to the lug bulk though no? On Sat., Dec. 4, 2021, 5:53 p.m. Alan Perry via cctalk, < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I was just now catching up with my LEGO Ideas e-mail (I went through my > cctech mail first :) and see that the Women of Computing set was put > together and proposed by the same woman who did the Women of NASA set. > > > As far as my wife, she is active in two local LEGO user groups and was > the one of those club's liaison with LEGO (until last month when the > club lost its official club status with LEGO). Seeing LEGO this close is > sometimes not the best idea if one wants to remain an enthusiastic > supporter of the company. > > > On 12/4/21 3:29 PM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote: > > Lego puts poly pocket to shame. I agree with urwife and thank her for her > > work lobbying lego plz keep it up itsthe truly universal toy of > everything > > > > On Sat., Dec. 4, 2021, 5:24 p.m. Alan Perry via cctalk, < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> LEGO is not doing this. This is part of the LEGO Ideas program, ideas > >> for LEGO sets submitted by the LEGO user community. Someone proposes a > >> set to the community and, if it gets 10,000 votes from the community, > >> LEGO will consider making an official set out of it. Other examples of > >> LEGO Ideas sets are the Saturn V rocket and ISS. > >> > >> > >> This set was likely inspired by another Ideas set that went through the > >> process and became an official set - > >> https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/women-of-nasa-21312 > >> > >> > >> LEGO itself has been a bit behind the curve on including female minifigs > >> in their sets. My wife is active in the AFOL (Adult Fans Of LEGO) > >> community. She has been lobbying LEGO for more female figures for much > >> of her life, partly because LEGO was considered a "boys'" toy when we > >> were growing up. (We were born at the beginning of Gen X FWIW.) > >> > >> > >> alan > >> > >> > >> On 12/4/21 12:09 PM, Brielle via cctalk wrote: > >>> See, if it had been presented like that, it would likely have not > >> elicited the same response. > >>> It’s sad, but I understand the reason why they are doing it. Lego has > >> always been a bit progressive - even going as far as in commercials that > >> girls can play with legos too. > >>> Unfortunately, the ones that throw the term ‘woke’ around like that > tend > >> to have pretty strong feelings about a “woman’s place in society”. > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:55 PM, newsgro...@micromuseum.co.uk wrote: > > On the contrary I consider it implicit that they played an equal role > >> - and the need to make toys to indicate it is somewhat sad. > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Brielle via > >> cctalk > Sent: 04 December 2021 19:53 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < > >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Women of Computing > > Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a great way to render any point > you > >> are trying to make moot. Great way to make people people not take you > >> seriously. > He may as well have just come out and said, “It triggers me and I > don’t > >> like having to acknowledge that women exist in the field of computer > >> history.” > — Brie > > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:43 PM, Jason Howe via cctalk < > >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > I'm curious what your definition of 'woke' is, because it seems > >> grossly misapplied in this instance. > > --Jason > > > > > >>> On 12/4/21 10:20, Chris Long via cctalk wrote: > >> Great.not. > >> > >> Why do we need woke Lego? >
RE: PDP-11/70 Boards
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Jay Jaeger via > cctalk > Sent: 04 December 2021 23:21 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: PDP-11/70 Boards > > On 12/1/2021 11:55 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > > From the blog of someone who got a KB11-A working > > > > It's Fritz Mueller's blog; at about the top of this page: > > > >https://fritzm.github.io/category/pdp-116.html > > > > he's just turned the machine on for the first time, and you can follow > > as he chases, finds and fixes CPU problems. The KB11-C/D of the -11/70 > > is _very_ similar to the KB11-A he was dealing with (they are > > _basically_ the same CPU, with a cache, and other stuff added on the > > other side from the CPU, on the KB11-C/D), so there are probably some > > good lessons to be learned. > > > > Very useful to see as I ponder trying to get my 11/45 (with a KB11-D in > it) going again. I think next time I work on this beastie I will roll it out > from my > main room where the lighting and access are just OK into my larger room > where my PC is kept temporarily, for easier access. > Going to want to buy a load tester and thoroughly check out the power > supplies first - which are unfortunately really heavy (and may not be > mounted quite properly, either), as it has been several years since I turned > the thing on. What kind of load tester are you looking to buy? I have an 11/45 which I need to test the power supplies on too. > > JRJ
Re: Women of Computing
I was just now catching up with my LEGO Ideas e-mail (I went through my cctech mail first :) and see that the Women of Computing set was put together and proposed by the same woman who did the Women of NASA set. As far as my wife, she is active in two local LEGO user groups and was the one of those club's liaison with LEGO (until last month when the club lost its official club status with LEGO). Seeing LEGO this close is sometimes not the best idea if one wants to remain an enthusiastic supporter of the company. On 12/4/21 3:29 PM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote: Lego puts poly pocket to shame. I agree with urwife and thank her for her work lobbying lego plz keep it up itsthe truly universal toy of everything On Sat., Dec. 4, 2021, 5:24 p.m. Alan Perry via cctalk, < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: LEGO is not doing this. This is part of the LEGO Ideas program, ideas for LEGO sets submitted by the LEGO user community. Someone proposes a set to the community and, if it gets 10,000 votes from the community, LEGO will consider making an official set out of it. Other examples of LEGO Ideas sets are the Saturn V rocket and ISS. This set was likely inspired by another Ideas set that went through the process and became an official set - https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/women-of-nasa-21312 LEGO itself has been a bit behind the curve on including female minifigs in their sets. My wife is active in the AFOL (Adult Fans Of LEGO) community. She has been lobbying LEGO for more female figures for much of her life, partly because LEGO was considered a "boys'" toy when we were growing up. (We were born at the beginning of Gen X FWIW.) alan On 12/4/21 12:09 PM, Brielle via cctalk wrote: See, if it had been presented like that, it would likely have not elicited the same response. It’s sad, but I understand the reason why they are doing it. Lego has always been a bit progressive - even going as far as in commercials that girls can play with legos too. Unfortunately, the ones that throw the term ‘woke’ around like that tend to have pretty strong feelings about a “woman’s place in society”. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:55 PM, newsgro...@micromuseum.co.uk wrote: On the contrary I consider it implicit that they played an equal role - and the need to make toys to indicate it is somewhat sad. -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Brielle via cctalk Sent: 04 December 2021 19:53 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < cctalk@classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Women of Computing Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a great way to render any point you are trying to make moot. Great way to make people people not take you seriously. He may as well have just come out and said, “It triggers me and I don’t like having to acknowledge that women exist in the field of computer history.” — Brie On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:43 PM, Jason Howe via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: I'm curious what your definition of 'woke' is, because it seems grossly misapplied in this instance. --Jason On 12/4/21 10:20, Chris Long via cctalk wrote: Great.not. Why do we need woke Lego?
Re: Women of Computing
Lego puts poly pocket to shame. I agree with urwife and thank her for her work lobbying lego plz keep it up itsthe truly universal toy of everything On Sat., Dec. 4, 2021, 5:24 p.m. Alan Perry via cctalk, < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > LEGO is not doing this. This is part of the LEGO Ideas program, ideas > for LEGO sets submitted by the LEGO user community. Someone proposes a > set to the community and, if it gets 10,000 votes from the community, > LEGO will consider making an official set out of it. Other examples of > LEGO Ideas sets are the Saturn V rocket and ISS. > > > This set was likely inspired by another Ideas set that went through the > process and became an official set - > https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/women-of-nasa-21312 > > > LEGO itself has been a bit behind the curve on including female minifigs > in their sets. My wife is active in the AFOL (Adult Fans Of LEGO) > community. She has been lobbying LEGO for more female figures for much > of her life, partly because LEGO was considered a "boys'" toy when we > were growing up. (We were born at the beginning of Gen X FWIW.) > > > alan > > > On 12/4/21 12:09 PM, Brielle via cctalk wrote: > > See, if it had been presented like that, it would likely have not > elicited the same response. > > > > It’s sad, but I understand the reason why they are doing it. Lego has > always been a bit progressive - even going as far as in commercials that > girls can play with legos too. > > > > Unfortunately, the ones that throw the term ‘woke’ around like that tend > to have pretty strong feelings about a “woman’s place in society”. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:55 PM, newsgro...@micromuseum.co.uk wrote: > >> > >> On the contrary I consider it implicit that they played an equal role > - and the need to make toys to indicate it is somewhat sad. > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Brielle via > cctalk > >> Sent: 04 December 2021 19:53 > >> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > >> Subject: Re: Women of Computing > >> > >> Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a great way to render any point you > are trying to make moot. Great way to make people people not take you > seriously. > >> > >> He may as well have just come out and said, “It triggers me and I don’t > like having to acknowledge that women exist in the field of computer > history.” > >> > >> — Brie > >> > >>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:43 PM, Jason Howe via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm curious what your definition of 'woke' is, because it seems > grossly misapplied in this instance. > >>> > >>> --Jason > >>> > >>> > > On 12/4/21 10:20, Chris Long via cctalk wrote: > Great.not. > > Why do we need woke Lego? > >> >
Re: Women of Computing
There's allot of masojinisitc crap in the system though.. I hear about it from female friends. That were in school and now in the field it's there and changing some countries or cities are worse then others as well On Sat., Dec. 4, 2021, 4:48 p.m. Chris Long via cctalk, < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I accept that far less women than men work in computing. > > I believe however that this is large due to their own perception of the > industry and their career choices. > > Almost all the women I know would describe working in it as "sad" or > "geeky" and several of them are married men who do work in IT. > > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Toby Thain via > cctalk > Sent: 04 December 2021 22:24 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Women of Computing > > On 2021-12-04 2:55 p.m., Chris Long via cctalk wrote: > > On the contrary I consider it implicit that they played an equal role - > and the need to make toys to indicate it is somewhat sad. > > > > False. Women still do not play 'an equal role' in STEM today, and did not > in the 20th C either. Have you ever reflected on why not? It is a systemic > issue that has been well studied and documented, and most relevantly, > described by women. > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Brielle via > > cctalk > > Sent: 04 December 2021 19:53 > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > > Subject: Re: Women of Computing > > > > Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a great way to render any point you > are trying to make moot. Great way to make people people not take you > seriously. > > > > He may as well have just come out and said, “It triggers me and I don’t > like having to acknowledge that women exist in the field of computer > history.” > > > > — Brie > > > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:43 PM, Jason Howe via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> > >> I'm curious what your definition of 'woke' is, because it seems > grossly misapplied in this instance. > >> > >> --Jason > >> > >> > >>> On 12/4/21 10:20, Chris Long via cctalk wrote: > >>> Great.not. > >>> > >>> Why do we need woke Lego? > > > > > > >
Re: Women of Computing
LEGO is not doing this. This is part of the LEGO Ideas program, ideas for LEGO sets submitted by the LEGO user community. Someone proposes a set to the community and, if it gets 10,000 votes from the community, LEGO will consider making an official set out of it. Other examples of LEGO Ideas sets are the Saturn V rocket and ISS. This set was likely inspired by another Ideas set that went through the process and became an official set - https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/women-of-nasa-21312 LEGO itself has been a bit behind the curve on including female minifigs in their sets. My wife is active in the AFOL (Adult Fans Of LEGO) community. She has been lobbying LEGO for more female figures for much of her life, partly because LEGO was considered a "boys'" toy when we were growing up. (We were born at the beginning of Gen X FWIW.) alan On 12/4/21 12:09 PM, Brielle via cctalk wrote: See, if it had been presented like that, it would likely have not elicited the same response. It’s sad, but I understand the reason why they are doing it. Lego has always been a bit progressive - even going as far as in commercials that girls can play with legos too. Unfortunately, the ones that throw the term ‘woke’ around like that tend to have pretty strong feelings about a “woman’s place in society”. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:55 PM, newsgro...@micromuseum.co.uk wrote: On the contrary I consider it implicit that they played an equal role - and the need to make toys to indicate it is somewhat sad. -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Brielle via cctalk Sent: 04 December 2021 19:53 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Women of Computing Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a great way to render any point you are trying to make moot. Great way to make people people not take you seriously. He may as well have just come out and said, “It triggers me and I don’t like having to acknowledge that women exist in the field of computer history.” — Brie On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:43 PM, Jason Howe via cctalk wrote: I'm curious what your definition of 'woke' is, because it seems grossly misapplied in this instance. --Jason On 12/4/21 10:20, Chris Long via cctalk wrote: Great.not. Why do we need woke Lego?
Re: PDP-11/70 Boards
On 12/1/2021 11:55 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > From the blog of someone who got a KB11-A working It's Fritz Mueller's blog; at about the top of this page: https://fritzm.github.io/category/pdp-116.html he's just turned the machine on for the first time, and you can follow as he chases, finds and fixes CPU problems. The KB11-C/D of the -11/70 is _very_ similar to the KB11-A he was dealing with (they are _basically_ the same CPU, with a cache, and other stuff added on the other side from the CPU, on the KB11-C/D), so there are probably some good lessons to be learned. Very useful to see as I ponder trying to get my 11/45 (with a KB11-D in it) going again. I think next time I work on this beastie I will roll it out from my main room where the lighting and access are just OK into my larger room where my PC is kept temporarily, for easier access. Going to want to buy a load tester and thoroughly check out the power supplies first - which are unfortunately really heavy (and may not be mounted quite properly, either), as it has been several years since I turned the thing on. JRJ
RE: Women of Computing
I accept that far less women than men work in computing. I believe however that this is large due to their own perception of the industry and their career choices. Almost all the women I know would describe working in it as "sad" or "geeky" and several of them are married men who do work in IT. -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Toby Thain via cctalk Sent: 04 December 2021 22:24 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Women of Computing On 2021-12-04 2:55 p.m., Chris Long via cctalk wrote: > On the contrary I consider it implicit that they played an equal role - and > the need to make toys to indicate it is somewhat sad. > False. Women still do not play 'an equal role' in STEM today, and did not in the 20th C either. Have you ever reflected on why not? It is a systemic issue that has been well studied and documented, and most relevantly, described by women. > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Brielle via > cctalk > Sent: 04 December 2021 19:53 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Women of Computing > > Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a great way to render any point you are > trying to make moot. Great way to make people people not take you seriously. > > He may as well have just come out and said, “It triggers me and I don’t like > having to acknowledge that women exist in the field of computer history.” > > — Brie > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:43 PM, Jason Howe via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> I'm curious what your definition of 'woke' is, because it seems grossly >> misapplied in this instance. >> >> --Jason >> >> >>> On 12/4/21 10:20, Chris Long via cctalk wrote: >>> Great.not. >>> >>> Why do we need woke Lego? > >
Re: Women of Computing
On 2021-12-04 2:55 p.m., Chris Long via cctalk wrote: On the contrary I consider it implicit that they played an equal role - and the need to make toys to indicate it is somewhat sad. False. Women still do not play 'an equal role' in STEM today, and did not in the 20th C either. Have you ever reflected on why not? It is a systemic issue that has been well studied and documented, and most relevantly, described by women. -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Brielle via cctalk Sent: 04 December 2021 19:53 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Women of Computing Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a great way to render any point you are trying to make moot. Great way to make people people not take you seriously. He may as well have just come out and said, “It triggers me and I don’t like having to acknowledge that women exist in the field of computer history.” — Brie On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:43 PM, Jason Howe via cctalk wrote: I'm curious what your definition of 'woke' is, because it seems grossly misapplied in this instance. --Jason On 12/4/21 10:20, Chris Long via cctalk wrote: Great.not. Why do we need woke Lego?
alt.folklore.computers... Altair Bob
A very, very long time ago, when dinosaurs still roamed the earth (or at least the computer rooms) there was a guy on usenet who called himself "Altair Bob" and offered to buy Altair computers. This was back when they weren't worth all that much (mid to late 1980s). He must have bought a dozen or so (as I remember). Does anybody know who he really was and what became of his (what I'm assuming was a) collection? Just idle curiosity brought on by a recent discussion of collections being destroyed by widows. Bill S. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: pdp8/L restoration time, part 1: switches
If u hunt around u can find similar switches in e-waste or even new. Then make some baskets u can attach. Like they did or if u got patience u can take those right apart and rebuild as the pins sit in a cardboard like material the plastic switch slides on with metal inserts for making contact. Need to get around finishing rebuilding mine. Mine had been ripped off but it u can see how they are assemble here https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/16586222513/in/album-72157651577592077/ On Sat., Dec. 4, 2021, 3:46 p.m. Chris Zach via cctalk, < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I've decided it's time to fix my second pdp8/L. First one is missing (I > think it's at the bottom of the closet) so I'll work on this one for > awhile. > > First problem: Testing the lamps and switches. If the switches don't > work or the lamps are out it's not going to be easy to troubleshoot. > Currently I'm missing 5 of the plastic switches, and I have 2-3 switches > with a broken pivot. > > Since I was going to need new plastic switch covers I fired up the 3d > printer, downloaded the STL file for making them (thank you for putting > that up!) and ran off a few for testing. It helps a lot to set the > bridge angle value to 60% or so, that allows a nice solid bridge for the > two "teeth" that engage the rocker switch. Also don't bother with PLA: > The plastic pivots are too weak and break pretty quickly. Use PETG, > which requires higher heat (240 instead of 200 at the head and 70 > instead of 60 at the base) but it is more than strong enough for the > pivots to go in without issues. > > Testing the switches I found that one of the data/address switches was > reading high ohmage (20) when closed in the down direction and two of > the data entry (spring loaded) switches were intermittent. Sprayed in a > bit of Deoxit, and they now switch cleanly and without bounce. That > would probably have driven me crazy if I tried to test with that. > > Next step: Check out the power supply. > > C >
pdp8/L restoration time, part 1: switches
I've decided it's time to fix my second pdp8/L. First one is missing (I think it's at the bottom of the closet) so I'll work on this one for awhile. First problem: Testing the lamps and switches. If the switches don't work or the lamps are out it's not going to be easy to troubleshoot. Currently I'm missing 5 of the plastic switches, and I have 2-3 switches with a broken pivot. Since I was going to need new plastic switch covers I fired up the 3d printer, downloaded the STL file for making them (thank you for putting that up!) and ran off a few for testing. It helps a lot to set the bridge angle value to 60% or so, that allows a nice solid bridge for the two "teeth" that engage the rocker switch. Also don't bother with PLA: The plastic pivots are too weak and break pretty quickly. Use PETG, which requires higher heat (240 instead of 200 at the head and 70 instead of 60 at the base) but it is more than strong enough for the pivots to go in without issues. Testing the switches I found that one of the data/address switches was reading high ohmage (20) when closed in the down direction and two of the data entry (spring loaded) switches were intermittent. Sprayed in a bit of Deoxit, and they now switch cleanly and without bounce. That would probably have driven me crazy if I tried to test with that. Next step: Check out the power supply. C
Re: Women of Computing
On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 06:20:33PM -, Chris Long via cctalk wrote: > Great.not. > > Why do we need woke Lego? To annoy people who use dogwhistles.
Re: Women of Computing
Woke lego?? What lego has been at fore front of this idea of being open to all for a long time so woke hah no being there as a community of growing and creativity yes... What's wrong with bringing out a set to celebrate these women who in many cases worked in toxic male bs environments... let's celebrate. Not complain plus there's now a univac in an official lego set!! On Sat., Dec. 4, 2021, 12:20 p.m. Chris Long via cctalk, < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Great.not. > > Why do we need woke Lego? > > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Zane Healy via > cctalk > Sent: 03 December 2021 17:35 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Women of Computing > > I really want to see this set produced, especially for the “Ada Lovelace” > and “Admiral Hopper” portions of the set. > > > https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/a4ae09b6-0d4c-4307-9da8-3ee9f3d368d6/post/f39b7001-bf76-46ba-9d61-cb586f1c7a7d > > https://ideas.lego.com/projects/3bf5b46c-6c87-4a2d-a2e1-d31ed0e2739e > > Zane > > > >
Re: Women of Computing
See, if it had been presented like that, it would likely have not elicited the same response. It’s sad, but I understand the reason why they are doing it. Lego has always been a bit progressive - even going as far as in commercials that girls can play with legos too. Unfortunately, the ones that throw the term ‘woke’ around like that tend to have pretty strong feelings about a “woman’s place in society”. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:55 PM, newsgro...@micromuseum.co.uk wrote: > > On the contrary I consider it implicit that they played an equal role - and > the need to make toys to indicate it is somewhat sad. > > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Brielle via cctalk > Sent: 04 December 2021 19:53 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Women of Computing > > Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a great way to render any point you are > trying to make moot. Great way to make people people not take you seriously. > > He may as well have just come out and said, “It triggers me and I don’t like > having to acknowledge that women exist in the field of computer history.” > > — Brie > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:43 PM, Jason Howe via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> I'm curious what your definition of 'woke' is, because it seems grossly >> misapplied in this instance. >> >> --Jason >> >> On 12/4/21 10:20, Chris Long via cctalk wrote: >>> Great.not. >>> >>> Why do we need woke Lego? > >
RE: Women of Computing
On the contrary I consider it implicit that they played an equal role - and the need to make toys to indicate it is somewhat sad. -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Brielle via cctalk Sent: 04 December 2021 19:53 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Women of Computing Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a great way to render any point you are trying to make moot. Great way to make people people not take you seriously. He may as well have just come out and said, “It triggers me and I don’t like having to acknowledge that women exist in the field of computer history.” — Brie > On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:43 PM, Jason Howe via cctalk > wrote: > > I'm curious what your definition of 'woke' is, because it seems grossly > misapplied in this instance. > > --Jason > > >> On 12/4/21 10:20, Chris Long via cctalk wrote: >> Great.not. >> >> Why do we need woke Lego?
Re: Women of Computing
Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a great way to render any point you are trying to make moot. Great way to make people people not take you seriously. He may as well have just come out and said, “It triggers me and I don’t like having to acknowledge that women exist in the field of computer history.” — Brie > On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:43 PM, Jason Howe via cctalk > wrote: > > I'm curious what your definition of 'woke' is, because it seems grossly > misapplied in this instance. > > --Jason > > >> On 12/4/21 10:20, Chris Long via cctalk wrote: >> Great.not. >> >> Why do we need woke Lego?
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I'm curious what your definition of 'woke' is, because it seems grossly misapplied in this instance. --Jason On 12/4/21 10:20, Chris Long via cctalk wrote: Great.not. Why do we need woke Lego? -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Zane Healy via cctalk Sent: 03 December 2021 17:35 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Women of Computing I really want to see this set produced, especially for the “Ada Lovelace” and “Admiral Hopper” portions of the set. https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/a4ae09b6-0d4c-4307-9da8-3ee9f3d368d6/post/f39b7001-bf76-46ba-9d61-cb586f1c7a7d https://ideas.lego.com/projects/3bf5b46c-6c87-4a2d-a2e1-d31ed0e2739e Zane
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On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 10:20 AM Chris Long via cctalk wrote: Great.not. Why do we need woke Lego? Excellent use of compression on the list: a question that contains its own answer :-) Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
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I really want to see this set produced, especially for the ???Ada Lovelace??? and ???Admiral Hopper??? portions of the set. https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/a4ae09b6-0d4c-4307-9da8-3ee9f3d368d6/post/f39b7001-bf76-46ba-9d61-cb586f1c7a7d https://ideas.lego.com/projects/3bf5b46c-6c87-4a2d-a2e1-d31ed0e2739e Great.not. Why do we need woke Lego? OK, Boomer. On Sat, 4 Dec 2021, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: The correct answer is women and men in computing within some sort of historical context so that it does not seem like the fact that a person happens to be a woman that they're being featured rather than due to their actual accomplishments. The title sounds like a Playboy spread. Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler versions of it would certainy sell better. Especially if life sized. 'course, there's already Lego computer porn. https://ideas.lego.com/projects/efdc9919-0435-4a50-ab6d-a74f7aa7113d https://archive.curbed.com/2017/7/27/16053224/chris-mcveigh-lego-building-guide-desktop-computer But, could it compete with a Monroe-Bot? (Futurama, "I dated a robot" Season 3, episode 47)
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On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 10:59 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > The correct answer is women and men in computing within some sort of > historical context so that it does not seem like the fact that a person > happens to be a woman that they're being featured rather than due to their > actual accomplishments. How dare LEGO(tm) remind me that women exist? This is clearly communism. - Seth -- Seth Morabito Poulsbo, WA w...@loomcom.com
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The correct answer is women and men in computing within some sort of historical context so that it does not seem like the fact that a person happens to be a woman that they're being featured rather than due to their actual accomplishments. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1:38 PM Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: > On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 10:20 AM Chris Long via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > > Great.not. > > > > Why do we need woke Lego? > > > > OK, Boomer. > - Josh > > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Zane Healy via > > cctalk > > Sent: 03 December 2021 17:35 > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > Subject: Women of Computing > > > > I really want to see this set produced, especially for the “Ada Lovelace” > > and “Admiral Hopper” portions of the set. > > > > > > > https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/a4ae09b6-0d4c-4307-9da8-3ee9f3d368d6/post/f39b7001-bf76-46ba-9d61-cb586f1c7a7d > > > > https://ideas.lego.com/projects/3bf5b46c-6c87-4a2d-a2e1-d31ed0e2739e > > > > Zane > > > > > > > > >
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On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 10:20 AM Chris Long via cctalk wrote: > Great.not. > > Why do we need woke Lego? > OK, Boomer. - Josh > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Zane Healy via > cctalk > Sent: 03 December 2021 17:35 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Women of Computing > > I really want to see this set produced, especially for the “Ada Lovelace” > and “Admiral Hopper” portions of the set. > > > https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/a4ae09b6-0d4c-4307-9da8-3ee9f3d368d6/post/f39b7001-bf76-46ba-9d61-cb586f1c7a7d > > https://ideas.lego.com/projects/3bf5b46c-6c87-4a2d-a2e1-d31ed0e2739e > > Zane > > > >
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Great.not. Why do we need woke Lego? -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Zane Healy via cctalk Sent: 03 December 2021 17:35 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Women of Computing I really want to see this set produced, especially for the “Ada Lovelace” and “Admiral Hopper” portions of the set. https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/a4ae09b6-0d4c-4307-9da8-3ee9f3d368d6/post/f39b7001-bf76-46ba-9d61-cb586f1c7a7d https://ideas.lego.com/projects/3bf5b46c-6c87-4a2d-a2e1-d31ed0e2739e Zane
