[cctalk] Re: Found the DSM orange manual
Hello, As a MUMPS programmer, I would definitely be interested… A former boss lent me his copy once. I should have scanned it. Tommy Chang Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 28, 2023, at 2:37 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > Well, it's huge. As in totally fills a large DEC binder. Seems to have the > following: > > Introduction to DSM > > Language reference > > User's Guide > > XDT reference > > Release Notes > > Would go well with that copy of DSM I have imaged on an RD52 drive. > > So does anyone in MD have access to a faster scanner than mine (Pixma 870)? > > CZ > >> On 6/28/2023 5:29 PM, Paul Koning wrote: >> On Jun 28, 2023, at 5:21 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: >>> >>> While looking for my RSX11 DECNET manual (because the online version >>> doesn't have any examples of commands which is why you look in the manual >>> in the first place) I found a copy of the DSM binder AA-K676B-TK and ilk. >>> >>> Is this online or does anyone else have it? >> It sure doesn't seem to be on-line. In fact, Googling that document number >> produces exactly one hit (another DEC document which mentions this document >> in the text). Getting that scanned would be neat. >> >>paul
[cctalk] Re: PCs Limited XT
Interesting thought. I don't think I ever had to look for a layer 3 RPL helper. RPL seems to have fallen out of favor around the time IP took over the world. On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 9:06 AM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > That was it, Remote Program Load. Simple protocol, ran at the MAC layer > if I recall, and worked. However it had an issue with routers and I > think BOOTP was easier to use with a "helper" on the switch or router to > handle it. > > Old stuff. But yes pull that ROM chip or Arcnet card and it should boot > to floppy or HD. > > CZ > > On 6/22/2023 11:46 PM, Ken Seefried via cctalk wrote: > >> BOOTP load of a DOS from a Netware or 3Com server. > > Could that be RPL? I have a WD800x ethernet card with netboot PROM sold > > with a "Netware ready" or some such workstation that it took me a bit to > > figure out was looking for an RPL boot server, not BOOTP/TFTP. > > > > On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 9:11 PM Chris Zach via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > wrote: > > > >> Sitting here paging in old stuff from my brain. I'll bet you have an > >> ArcNet card, and on the card it has a BIOS bootloader that was designed > >> to do a BOOTP load of a DOS from a Netware or 3Com server. > >> > >> Pull the card and it will probably boot normally off the floppy. > >> > >> CZ > >> > >> On 6/14/2023 7:16 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > >>> Guys...I just wanted to know if anyone has either an original user/tech > >>> guide or worked with the actual specific machine. Maybe there is a > >>> password reset util disk image floating around specific to the original > >> PCs > >>> Limited system, or a backdoor password ...that's what I am after...the > >>> original stuff that came with it. > >>> > >>> I learned ctrl+alt+ - toggles Turbo/ regular mode, by trial and error. > >>> > >>> Bill > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2023, 6:36 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk < > >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> > >>> wrote: > >>> > What cards are plugged into the motherboard? > > What video do you have connected? > > On 3 digit error codes, 4xx was monochrome video problems > > Do you get any beeps? > > Does it have a dipswitch (SW1)? What are the current settings of it? > With all cards removed, and SW1 (if it has one) switches 5 and 6 off, > do > you get beeps? > > > Do you have any other 5160s available? (consider swapping BIOS ROM) > >
[cctalk] Re: IMSAI BASIC PROM set?
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 7:39 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > So I was able to get the listing for the PROMs by using the HEX file of > IMSAI BASIC 1.4 from.Rich Cini's website. I was able to then pull the > Intel papertape file image using Teraterm to capture the log of the session > while using to load BASIC into the IMSAI. I can use the log to make an > ePROM-friendly file. Sounds like a convoluted way to convert a HEX file into a binary file, or whatever you mean by an EPROM friendly file. I imagine most EPROM programmers can directly take an Intel HEX file as an input file. If you needed a binary file, you could also use SRecord 1.65 srec_cat to convert the Intel HEX file to a binary file, and split it up into smaller chunks if you need to split the 8KB binary into smaller EPROMs. https://srecord.sourceforge.net/
[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?
That's a good point, though like you I don't know of anything that ever tried to take advantage of that theory (though I wouldn't have been paying enough attention at the time to confidently comment, so...). Since it's not 'common knowledge' that it was done, I'd surmise either 1) the reality is harder than the theory, or 2) it made more sense to wait for Intel chips with less limitations, which seemed to me to be what was going on at the time. But certainly an interesting 'what if'. KJ On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 3:37 AM Christian Corti via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jun 2023, Ken Seefried wrote: > > Didn't see anyone mention it, but one should recall that the whole memory > > space on the 8088/8086 was 1M, so a 'limit' (whatever kind) of 640K > wasn't > > Well, it only has 20 address bits. But it can address much more memory > because it has additional information on some status pins about what > segment register is used for adressing. So in theory, you could have one > separate 1Mb of memory for each possible segment register. Or at least you > could easily separate the stack from the other memory. > Anyone here know of a design that actually made use of this? > > Christian >
[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?
Not sure how any of that relates to my post. On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 12:47 AM ben via cctalk wrote: > On 2023-06-22 10:04 p.m., Ken Seefried via cctalk wrote: > > Didn't see anyone mention it, but one should recall that the whole memory > > space on the 8088/8086 was 1M, so a 'limit' (whatever kind) of 640K > wasn't > > the dumbest computer design decision ever made. In addition to that, > Intel > > was telling people to get ready to jump to iAXP432 because 8086/80286 was > > nothing but a stopgap, and anyway the 80286 was for high-end minicomputer > > replacements, so why assume that more than 1M on an 8086-type CPU for PCs > > for an OS that was going to be obsoleted anyway was the future. > > > > KJ > > > The 640K is a minor point.Look at the PDP 11 you had hoards virtual > memory but code and data only 64kb each. Same as the Intel's small > model. How long were OS's crippled by this fact? > Did the iAXP432 just have 64kb segments as well? > Ben. > > >
[cctalk] Re: IMSAI BASIC PROM set?
So I was able to get the listing for the PROMs by using the HEX file of IMSAI BASIC 1.4 from.Rich Cini's website. I was able to then pull the Intel papertape file image using Teraterm to capture the log of the session while using to load BASIC into the IMSAI. I can use the log to make an ePROM-friendly file. Imsai 8K basic fills ..1FDB and stores programs from 2000, so you need some RAM after IFFFh (8K). My IMSAI has an IMSAI SIO serial card. Bill On Thu, Jun 29, 2023, 8:36 AM Bill Degnan wrote: > It's in the Imsai Basic manual as a choice for loading g the software. > > I had the ROM set (8 proms) but I must have overwritten them a long time > ago. > > So, I wanted to make a new set, hoping someone had the eprom files avail > so I could make. > > If not I will build a new setsome.other way. Does anyone have the > papertape image of IMSAI basic 1.3 or 1.4? > > Bill > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 11:04 PM Doug Jackson via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> Wait !! - there was BASIC in ROM for the IMSAI? >> >> How was the memory laid out? What I/O devices did it expect? >> >> Does it run with a Z80 CPU, or only the 8080? >> >> Kindest regards, >> >> Doug Jackson >> >> em: d...@doughq.com >> ph: 0414 986878 >> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 at 12:51, steve shumaker via cctalk < >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: >> >> > That would be the Imsai 8K BASIC? If so, I have the assembler listing >> > as part of the Imsai manual set. >> > >> > Steve >> > >> > On 6/28/23 7:43 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: >> > > Anyone have the 2716 ePROM listing for IMSAI Basic. Version 1.4 or >> > > whatever. I once had it, can't find my copy. If not 2716, I'll take >> any >> > > listing that I can convert somehow. >> > > Thanks >> > > Bill >> > >> > >> >
[cctalk] Re: VCF Southwest 2023 some highlights
Wow..!! Very nice collection there, Christian! Mark -Original Message- From: Christian Corti via cctalk Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 12:52 AM To: Mark Huffstutter via cctalk Cc: Christian Corti Subject: [cctalk] Re: VCF Southwest 2023 some highlights On Mon, 26 Jun 2023, Mark Huffstutter wrote: > I've never seen an HP-9830A that gorgeous, and with the Companion > HP-9866A printer no less, wow! That setup was quite usual I think. We also have the 8" disk station from Infotek (alas, the interface module has been lost, I can't find it). It is stacked on top of the 9830 and below the printer. We also have several peripherals, like HP the papertape reader, plotter, serial I/O and external cassette unit. Christian
[cctalk] Re: Rainbow H7842 PSU Fault
Thank you to everyone who helped me with this. The PSU if finally fixed. I have posted about it on my blog: https://robs-old-computers.com/2023/06/29/h7842-finally-fixed/ Regards Rob > -Original Message- > From: Rob Jarratt > Sent: 25 June 2023 18:07 > To: 'Tony Duell' ; r...@jarratt.me.uk > Cc: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > ; 'Brent Hilpert' > Subject: RE: [cctalk] Re: Rainbow H7842 PSU Fault > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tony Duell > > Sent: 25 June 2023 18:00 > > To: r...@jarratt.me.uk > > Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > ; Brent Hilpert > > Subject: Re: [cctalk] Re: Rainbow H7842 PSU Fault > > > > On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 5:52 PM Rob Jarratt > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Before I confuse matters too much I should point out that I was not > > > using > > the Rainbow power switch unit but one from a DECmate. I had > > erroneously thought there was a fault with the Rainbow one. I think > > the fan supply may be different on the DECmate switch, so ignore the bit > about the fan turning. > > > > It appears that there are 2 ways of powering (different types of) fans > > with this power supply. Whether one was used in the Rainbow and the > > other in the Decmate I know not. But anyway : > > > > A 12V DC fan running off the DC output of the power supply. This is > > the one shown in my schemtic for the supply. Note the jumper link in > > the fan power plug that means the supply doesn't get mains if you forget to > plug the fan in. > > That is what I failed to notice and I thought that somehow there was a fault > in > the switch unit. > > > > > A 115V AC fan connected to the unused pair of pins on the AC input > > cable to the power supply (top right of the 'switch/fan assy' in my > > schematc. This uses the primary winding of the startup transformer as > > an autotransformer on 230V mains. > > > > Note that the latter fan will run if the chopper side of things is > > dead, the former won't. > > > > -tony
[cctalk] Re: HP2100A available
This has sold! -- Will On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 9:23 AM William Donzelli wrote: > > This is on Discord. > > I have an HP 2100A with a paper tape punch (a HP labelled Facit), tape > punch (HP), and an 7900A disc. The thing is in decent shape - full of > cards. The keyswitch is out of the thing, but I am pretty sure I still > have it. > > Right now, I have me hands on the 2100A and Facit paper tape punch > (with bracket) - can I get $1000 for this combo? When I get my hands > on the reader and 7900A ( I think they are just buried!), we can deal > with them later, as I do not like to sell what my hands are not on. > Located around Kingston NY. > > Oh, I have a 5 foot rack for this thing, still back at the old house. > > -- > Will
[cctalk] HP2100A available
This is on Discord. I have an HP 2100A with a paper tape punch (a HP labelled Facit), tape punch (HP), and an 7900A disc. The thing is in decent shape - full of cards. The keyswitch is out of the thing, but I am pretty sure I still have it. Right now, I have me hands on the 2100A and Facit paper tape punch (with bracket) - can I get $1000 for this combo? When I get my hands on the reader and 7900A ( I think they are just buried!), we can deal with them later, as I do not like to sell what my hands are not on. Located around Kingston NY. Oh, I have a 5 foot rack for this thing, still back at the old house. -- Will
[cctalk] Re: IMSAI BASIC PROM set?
It's in the Imsai Basic manual as a choice for loading g the software. I had the ROM set (8 proms) but I must have overwritten them a long time ago. So, I wanted to make a new set, hoping someone had the eprom files avail so I could make. If not I will build a new setsome.other way. Does anyone have the papertape image of IMSAI basic 1.3 or 1.4? Bill On Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 11:04 PM Doug Jackson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Wait !! - there was BASIC in ROM for the IMSAI? > > How was the memory laid out? What I/O devices did it expect? > > Does it run with a Z80 CPU, or only the 8080? > > Kindest regards, > > Doug Jackson > > em: d...@doughq.com > ph: 0414 986878 > > > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 at 12:51, steve shumaker via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > That would be the Imsai 8K BASIC? If so, I have the assembler listing > > as part of the Imsai manual set. > > > > Steve > > > > On 6/28/23 7:43 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > > Anyone have the 2716 ePROM listing for IMSAI Basic. Version 1.4 or > > > whatever. I once had it, can't find my copy. If not 2716, I'll take > any > > > listing that I can convert somehow. > > > Thanks > > > Bill > > > > >
[cctalk] Re: Any RSX-11 fans able to identify file types?
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023, Bill Gunshannon wrote: Don't know the 8600. Wasn't the RL02 on the 11/730 actually connected to a PDP-11 that functioned as a console? Surely no version of VMS ever fit on a 10M disk, did it? The 730 does not have a PDP-11 as frontend. It uses the RB730 integrated disk controller with attachments for the RL02 and R80 drives. The R80 provides 120MB of storage, enough for a small VMS installation. And as it's a Unibus machine, you can add more peripherals. Christian
[cctalk] Re: VCF Southwest 2023 some highlights
On Mon, 26 Jun 2023, Mark Huffstutter wrote: I've never seen an HP-9830A that gorgeous, and with the Companion HP-9866A printer no less, wow! That setup was quite usual I think. We also have the 8" disk station from Infotek (alas, the interface module has been lost, I can't find it). It is stacked on top of the 9830 and below the printer. We also have several peripherals, like HP the papertape reader, plotter, serial I/O and external cassette unit. Christian
