[cctalk] Re: How to shutdown RT11?
Ok, Bill. Still feels strange. No need to park the HD head either I guess. Please take a look at this picture. Knowing nothing, I did a .SHOW ALL and this list of JOBs showed up. Are these not background processes? https://w2hx.com/x/VintageComp/micropdp/20240321_203329.jpg Thanks 73 Eugene W2HX My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos -Original Message- From: Bill Gunshannon via cctalk Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 9:23 PM To: W2HX via cctalk Cc: Bill Gunshannon Subject: [cctalk] Re: How to shutdown RT11? On 3/21/2024 9:19 PM, W2HX via cctalk wrote: > I just got a pdp-11 to boot and it seems to have rt-11 installed. How do I > do an orderly shutdown? Google has info on simh but this ain't that. > > Thanks! > 73 Eugene w2hx > Turn off the power switch. Unlike most other OSes people here are familiar with there are no background processes running on RT-11. bill KB3YV
[cctalk] Re: How to shutdown RT11?
On 3/21/2024 9:19 PM, W2HX via cctalk wrote: I just got a pdp-11 to boot and it seems to have rt-11 installed. How do I do an orderly shutdown? Google has info on simh but this ain't that. Thanks! 73 Eugene w2hx Turn off the power switch. Unlike most other OSes people here are familiar with there are no background processes running on RT-11. bill KB3YV
[cctalk] How to shutdown RT11?
I just got a pdp-11 to boot and it seems to have rt-11 installed. How do I do an orderly shutdown? Google has info on simh but this ain't that. Thanks! 73 Eugene w2hx
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On 3/21/2024 6:52 PM, mark audacity romberg via cctalk wrote: Why are you paying for postage as an eBay seller? Buyer paying postage is the standard. At sub $20 they aren't worth the effort. It would cost more than that in postage. And if the cost of shipping is more than the cost of the item I stop at that point. As another note, back when I tried to be an eBay seller, I had eBay refuse to let me sell things claiming I was asking too much for postage. Being as the only shipping method I ever used was the USPS "if it fits it ships" which seemed to be pretty much the cheapest method I could find. It seemed they wanted me to subsidize the shipping myself. I gave up trying. bill
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 4:52 PM Ali via cctalk wrote: > > Why are you paying for postage as an eBay seller? Buyer paying postage > > is the standard. > > > > I think Bill is just being a decent guy and saying that it would cost more > to ship it out then the item would cost/be bought for (i.e. $20 for item, > $50 to ship) and how that wouldn't be nice or make sense for the buyer. > > But that is just a guess. > > -Ali > No, from what I saw, the average price was sub-$20 including shipping. It's easy enough to ship though: a quick wrap in some bubble wrap and throw it in a USPS standard sized Priority Mail box and out it goes. A quick $5-$10 for a few minutes of your time (if you're experienced at it). Sellam
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
> Why are you paying for postage as an eBay seller? Buyer paying postage > is the standard. > I think Bill is just being a decent guy and saying that it would cost more to ship it out then the item would cost/be bought for (i.e. $20 for item, $50 to ship) and how that wouldn't be nice or make sense for the buyer. But that is just a guess. -Ali
[cctalk] Re: VAX 4000 console SLU in need of some TLC
On 21/03/2024 21:51, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: Assuming you find a solution for the console port issue, can't you just try netbooting it and see what mac address the load requests have? You could either use some ethernet monitoring software such as tcpdump, ethermon, wireshark or whatever or your MOP server may even report load requests it sees on the network to OPCOM. I have a W7 system running SIMH that I was going to configure as the cluster master ... I completely forgot that I could just turn on the OPER console replies and look for a message. I can even boot the VS400-60 over the ethernet to prove that I have SIMH configured properly. Of course, I don't know that the console ethernet works, but this would tell me pretty clearly one way or the other. Thanks for that: I blame the 5 hours of driving for me missing the obvious, but it might be the 20+ years of not fiddling with OpenVMS on a daily basis :-) Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
[cctalk] Re: VAX 4000 console SLU in need of some TLC
On 21/03/2024 22:03, Jonathan Stone wrote: What kind of VAX 4000? One with DSSI connectors on the "S:U", or the /VAX 4000-200/KA660, which has serial and Ethernet? IIRC you can klludge up the latter using a KA630 SLU, and either re-using the AUI/10base-2 part of the SLU, or kludging one from a DEQNA/DELQA to act like the AUI-select switch setting and AUI of the original Those come off the KA660 in a single IDC connector, 50 pin if memory serves. I have no idea about substituting for DSSI. It's a VAX 4000-300 (KA670) in a BA440, so it has two DSSI, ethernet, the usual switches and LED display. I can switch ethernet between AUI and BNC (the green LEDs change) and I have known working DETPM AUI<->RJ45 interfaces, so ethernet may be OK. I have found one panel for a KA650 (uV 3500/3600) that has an OK connector but is otherwise a bit toasty, so I'll try carefully removing that tomorrow. If that goes OK, then I'll remove the MMJ socket from the VAX 4000 console SLU: it's dead so there's not really much risk here as long as I'm careful with the PCB. At least I could then tack on 6 wires and find a way of interfacing. I do have at least one H8584-AC, which is an MMJ socket and an RJ45 plug. So with a bit of measuring I could probably find an RJ45 socket and rig up some temporary franken-console. Or, if the KA650 donor is really too far gone, and its socket survives half a dozen cable insertion-removals with no harm, then I could just fit that in place. If the console ethernet doesn't work, I think I can drop in the DELQA with appropriate handles from the KA650 system ... I think that the BA440 Q-bus metalwork and the BA213 metalwork are compatible. If not I have one Q-bus DELQA panel and I'm sure that neither the VAX nor anything else in there with it care too much about RF interference these days! I can find new MMJ plugs all over the place (admittedly I'm assuming that Mouser and Farnell could actually supply them!!) but the corresponding sockets seem to be lost to time. Or at least they remain beyond my goolge-fu. Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
Why are you paying for postage as an eBay seller? Buyer paying postage is the standard. > At sub $20 they aren't worth the effort. It would > cost more than that in postage.
[cctalk] Re: VAX 4000 console SLU in need of some TLC
Pin 2 is TXD+ so I suppose that the RX side still works. I have no suitable storage for this system (well, I have some RF71 drives but not the carriers that would be needed to connect to the backplane properly), so I was planning to netboot from a SIMH instance on a PC. However, to configure that I would need the ethernet MAC address, and I can't think of a simple way to get that. unless someone knows whether the ethernet ID prom is readable in something like a TL866II Plus? Assuming you find a solution for the console port issue, can't you just try netbooting it and see what mac address the load requests have? You could either use some ethernet monitoring software such as tcpdump, ethermon, wireshark or whatever or your MOP server may even report load requests it sees on the network to OPCOM. Regards, Peter Coghlan.
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
Considering how high some prices are on eBay. I would rather something go to a good home at a lower price than help drive the prices up on ePay. On 3/21/2024 4:01 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 12:33 PM CAREY SCHUG via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: --does anybody want to comment on whether ebay prices are less, similar, or greater than at live VCFs? I have not made the effort to collect history. It depends, usually less. Sometimes the same or more. Sellam
[cctalk] VAX 4000 console SLU in need of some TLC
I have a VAX 4000 with a console SLU that has been host to a battery for far too long. I removed the battery some time ago and cleaned things up with vinegar and IPA. Then I had PSU issues, which I've resolved by swapping for a NOS one (thanks Witchy!). Last Wednesday (13-MAR-2024) it booted to the dead sergeant prompt for the first time in a decade or two (I would guess). It was set to 19200 baud and the console 7-segment LED was a bit the worse for wear, but it responded to the VT420 quite happily. But tonight, although it seemed to power up OK, the console was unresponsive. Shining a light into the MMJ socket showed pin 2 is missing (2nd from the left looking into the socket (https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/connectors/serial/dec-mmj-serial/). The rest show patches of the sort of green you would expect from something that has been near a leaky battery for some time. Now I have some console SLUs for the KA650 (uVAX 3600) which have also generously hosted batteries for longer than they should, but I suppose if one of those has an OK looking socket I can try a swap. Otherwise, does anyone have any ideas for a source? I know I could solder to the six pins at the back and make an adapter, but that is I think would be a stop gap 9or a last resort if no parts are available. Pin 2 is TXD+ so I suppose that the RX side still works. I have no suitable storage for this system (well, I have some RF71 drives but not the carriers that would be needed to connect to the backplane properly), so I was planning to netboot from a SIMH instance on a PC. However, to configure that I would need the ethernet MAC address, and I can't think of a simple way to get that. unless someone knows whether the ethernet ID prom is readable in something like a TL866II Plus? Anyway, thanks in advance for any suggestions or ideas. Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 12:33 PM CAREY SCHUG via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > --does anybody want to comment on whether ebay prices are less, similar, > or greater than at live VCFs? I have not made the effort to collect > history. > It depends, usually less. Sometimes the same or more. Sellam
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
I assumed the checking ebay was to get a price. I do that all the time, but have never sold anything. --to see what they sold for over time, maybe the last few weeks they went for $50, but most of the time they go for $30, so if not in a hurry, I just keep bidding $30 till I get one. --does anybody want to comment on whether ebay prices are less, similar, or greater than at live VCFs? I have not made the effort to collect history. --Carey > On 03/21/2024 2:26 PM CDT Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > > On 3/21/2024 2:02 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:58 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> > >> Are Wacom CTE-430 tablets worth anything? > >> > >> bill > >> > > > > Bill, > > > > eBay is good for gauging interest and pricing out stuff like this. Recent > > sales there show there is at least general interest, and they seem to sell > > for sub-$20 each. > > > > As a buyer I have done well on eBay. As a seller all I ever did was > waste my time. At sub $20 they aren't worth the effort. It would > cost more than that in postage. > > How about an HP Scanjet IIcx scanner with SCSI interface. Other than > historical value probably not much interest there either. > > bill
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On 3/21/2024 2:02 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:58 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: Are Wacom CTE-430 tablets worth anything? bill Bill, eBay is good for gauging interest and pricing out stuff like this. Recent sales there show there is at least general interest, and they seem to sell for sub-$20 each. As a buyer I have done well on eBay. As a seller all I ever did was waste my time. At sub $20 they aren't worth the effort. It would cost more than that in postage. How about an HP Scanjet IIcx scanner with SCSI interface. Other than historical value probably not much interest there either. bill
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:58 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Are Wacom CTE-430 tablets worth anything? > > bill > Bill, eBay is good for gauging interest and pricing out stuff like this. Recent sales there show there is at least general interest, and they seem to sell for sub-$20 each. Sellam
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
Are Wacom CTE-430 tablets worth anything? bill
[cctalk] Cleanup time again
Time to dispose of some more of my stuff so it doesn't end up in the trash when my widow has to clear the house. Any interest in BA356-SBs? All with disks in them. And I have a decent stack of used RZs in caddies. I even still have 11 RZ28's still in the static bags. Would have to be someone close enough to pick them up here in the Poconos but I have seen a lot of postings from people in Eastern PA and north and middle NJ. Is it worth my taking the time to count up exactly what I have or would no one be interested in making an offer. They will not be going on eBay. Just for information, I have used these with PDP-11's with 3rd party SCSI modules, PC's with SCSI Cards and Ersatz-11 and even a Tandy Color Computer with a TC^3 SCSI card and NitrOS9. bill
