RE: IBM Series/1

[Jay West via cctalk]

I used to run a system at Anheuser-Busch in the late 80's, ISTR it was a 4331, 
4341, or 4381. Under VM/370, It ran SMI's (Systems Management, Inc) Pick/370 
OS. IBM terminals could attach direct or via an establishment controller, but 
dumb serial terminals could connect via the series/1's which acted as a front 
end processor/aggregator (via a Micom switch that just let you select the 
Pick/370 machine or one of the many Pr1me's about One Busch Place).

There was also a standalone series/1 next to it, which ran CDI's (forget the 
company name) implementation of Pick for the Series/1. They used this for 
connecting a bunch of serial ports to timeclocks throughout the plant. Workers 
coming in and out hit these and there was some Pick/BASIC code that comprised a 
time & attendance system. Data capture from the timeclocks involved the full 
character set which normal Pick I/O had issues with, so I wrote a program in 
Pick Assembler to deal with that and pass sanitized/escaped data back to the 
host.

My most distinct memory of this is the simultaneously cute and annoying 'BLEET' 
sound that each button on the front panel (membrane keypad) made.

Fun Times.

J

RE: Box of HP 1000 series MUX cards - 12040

[Jay West via cctalk]

Guy wrote...

Wow. Way to make everyone interested in restoring HP 1000 systems (me
included) hate you.


I'm thrilled that he took the time to post them here before they hit the
shredder. Thanks Jesse, much appreciated!

vax stuff

[Jay West via cctalk]

2  PrintServer 17

2  PrintServer 17 high-capacity (1500 sheet) paper trays

3  PS17 Maintenance kits (220 V)

2-4   PS17 Toner cartridges

2  LS17 Toner cartridges

1  MicroVax 3100

1  InfoServer 1000

1  vertical SCSI storage rack

 

Apparently in Johannesburg.. If interest contact me off-list.

 

J

RE: Pleas ID this IBM system....

[Jay West via cctalk]

No modern datacenter that I have seen still uses a raised floor *OTHER THAN* 
about 3 inches for a ground plane. There is a reason for that... the old idea 
of forced cooling under the floor and mixing power & data cables there has been 
found to be a truly bad idea.

Power in most any modern datacenter is via "track lighting" rails directly over 
the row of racks. Ex: https://www.starlinepower.com/busway/

HVAC units are generally not inside the datacenter any longer either, nor are 
UPS's. These cause access control issues with vendors doing maintenance and 
raises issues for publicly traded companies that must meet certain control & 
accountability standards. Not to mention locating them on the datacenter floor 
can cause issues with cool air routing. So these days the hot and cold aisles 
are alternating, with a windsock/tube above the racks for cold air delivery to 
the front and an 8 foot or so fan built in the hot aisle wall. This is the 
optimum place for particle (smoke) sensors as well. That design also lets in 
certain situations outside air to be used.

So to say you "definitely need a raised floor for a datacenter" is only true if 
you are trying to create a period replica. A modern datacenter built that 
way... well... not sure any self-respecting contractor would build one 'the old 
way' :)

J
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Stoness 
via cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 12:03 PM
To: Patrick Finnegan ; General Discussion: On-Topic and 
Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Re: Pleas ID this IBM system

all systems have their advantages disadvantages it all depends on what your 
doing and designs u choose. personaly i think raised floor and tray above are 
best then u keep all ur power below away from ur data lines plus but then ur 
setup is only as good as the lazyest tech u get comming in running stuff.

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 11:38 AM Patrick Finnegan via cctalk < 
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Tue, May 21, 2019, 04:13 Christian Corti via cctalk < 
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > You definitely need a raised floor
> > for a data center. You need it for forced air cooling and for 
> > running the water and condensate pipes.
>
>
> Ductwork doesn't have to be below the floor. Modern co-lo facilities 
> that I have been in (such as Switch Supernap) don't have a raised floor.
>
> Plumbing (unless you're doing aisle containment or RDHx) shouldn't run 
> through the IT space in the data center.
>
> Cooling water to racks should be dewpoint adjusted, so you don't need 
> condensate drains inside the DC.
>
> And overhead trays are much more difficult to
> > work with if you want to lay new cables because you have to climb up 
> > and down the ladder all the time, moving the ladder from here to 
> > there and back to here...
> >
>
> I solved that by having multiple ladders. In my experience, it's a lot 
> easier than trying to reach through a cluttered raised floor under racks.
>
> The only good reason that I have seen in this thread for a raised 
> floor is to match older equipment that routes cables downwards.
>
> Pat
>
> >
>

RE: Tape Storage Rack WAS: RE: 1/2" tape storage.

[Jay West via cctalk]

I have two of the authentic tape racks, the ones that held tapes by the snap 
closure on the flexible plastic ring. Both are about 65 to 70 inches tall. One 
is about 2 feet wide and I will be keeping that. The other is about 5 or 6 feet 
wide and should go to a good home. Both are in good condition. St. Louis, MO.

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of William 
Donzelli via cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2019 10:39 AM
To: Jon Elson ; General Discussion: On-Topic and 
Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Re: Tape Storage Rack WAS: RE: 1/2" tape storage.

> Yikes, I doubt anybody has manufactured these in the last 30 years. I 
> have one, but don't want to get rid of it until I scrap all my old 
> tapes.

They are not 100 percent authentic, but there are desktop wire file organizing 
racks that can hold tapes.

--
Will

RE: Mounting HP7970e 9-Trk 1/2" Tape Drive

[Jay West via cctalk]

Brent wrote...
There's no way you're angling a regular shafted screwdriver in there to
adequately tighten screws.
One could undo the catch that limits the angle of swing, but I still don't
expect it's going to swing far enough to get the frame out of the way, let
alone the PCBs and motors still in the way.
-

See? It's impossible to mount it without severe danger! In an effort to
promote public safety, just send all your 7970E's to me and I will keep them
somewhere that no one can get hurt on them! ;)

J

RE: Mounting HP7970e 9-Trk 1/2" Tape Drive

[Jay West via cctalk]

Chuck wrote...
--
The HP disk array rack is a pretty standard 19" EIA rack, with some extra slots 
for mounting the disk drive slides.

Looking at the 7970, without the mounting kit, it's a standard 19" wide.
 The right side flange has holes for mounting; the left side (the side with the 
support hinges for the works) has a similar flange, but without holes.  Since 
mounting holes on an 19" rack are 18" apart, I could see where just boring a 
couple of holes in the hinge-side flange and countersinking them for flathead 
bolts would work to secure the drive.
On the DA cabinet, however, the side "skins" project about an inch forward of 
the mounting rails, so you'd probably have to remove one to
get clearance to open the drive up for servicing.   On the other hand, a
"naked" rack would probably work just fine.
-
Yes, it's all "standard 19 inch" but. the HP gear and mounting kits of that 
time expected certain things to be present in the rack design/construction well 
beyond just the space between the vertical posts.

As I recall, on the left, the flange (where mounting holes are - on the right) 
does not have mounting holes. And drilling and tapping would be difficult 
because a 2 inch thick piece of solid metal from the side of the casting covers 
those. You would only be able to screw them in from the back, and in many racks 
that wouldn't be possible. Not to mention that part of that solid metal casting 
cantilevers when the unit is in the service position, so drilling all the way 
through (or anchoring the casting) is going to disallow getting to stuff you 
want to get to. And if you can't use the internal access door as-mounted, I'd 
bet the chance of injury or damage goes up exponentially every time you need to 
pull it out of the rack so you can get to stuff. There ARE bolt holes for 
attaching on the left, but they are not on the flange as they are on the right 
side. They are on the left side of the aluminum housing, about 7 inches back 
from the front, in a vertical line. You're not going to find a rack that has 
attach points there, and those are the PRIMARY attach points for the entire 
left hand side (and they are in aluminum housing, so absolutely depend on the 
steel bracket on the left for weight support).

I'm wondering if connecting the tape unit by using bolts along the outer 
flanges (assuming they were present on left and right - which they weren't) may 
not be sufficient given the weight of the unit. That is why the special HP 
mounting bracket has an L-angle on the bottom, to take much of the weight of 
the unit. Without it (ie. in a non-(hp-period)standard rack) I wonder if the 
flanges really aren't designed to hold that kind of weight.

So... I'm curious how they were actually mounted on the left in that particular 
rack. The only method I've ever seen that mostly works is using L-brackets 
under the unit. But that still doesn't attach the left side. Some may be ok 
with that I'm sure. I myself have visions of 150# of mostly cast aluminum and 
steel coming off those L brackets and they would bend the right racksupport 
severely (or the tape unit) for sure. 

I'm not at all saying it can't be done and done sufficiently. I'm just curious 
how :) I've been blessed with the right brackets and racks, so never had to 
mess with it. And like I said, haven't laid eyes on my 7970s in over a year, so 
my memory is prolly foggy :)

J

RE: Mounting HP7970e 9-Trk 1/2" Tape Drive

[Jay West via cctalk]

Chuck's retension levers any chance this is on thingiverse or would you
be willing to send me the .stl file so I can 3dprint my own? :)

I have not looked at my 7970's in quite some time, but I had thought the
previous discussion was for mounting the 7970's in an HP rack. Not all later
HP racks, but the 2 or 3 series that were predominant around the time of the
7970's, had a very specific build related to positioning of the holes (which
were actually a few sliding metal bars with tapped holes, not just holes all
up and down the rack). The 7970 mounting bracket was designed for that 'odd'
HP-way the racks were built at that time (they changed later). I do not
think that an HP rack called a "storage array" (obviously much later
production) would have the same hole (and more importantly, the channels
around the bars) pattern. Long story short, I am not positive that mounting
the 7970 in a non-HP  or HP but non-period rack would work 100% as
originally intended. It may stay in the rack, but there could be some
positional/operational issues.

Specifically what I'm wondering, without the bracket and in a "non-hp" hp
rack ;)... how did you bolt it on the left hand side? And are you sure that
with it mounted that way, the speed bolt on the front right inside the door
allows you to swing the unit all the way open without hitting the flush
surface on the left of the casting?

I need to go look at mine and see if I'm just remembering this all wrong...
lol

J 

RE: Mounting HP7970e 9-Trk 1/2" Tape Drive

[Jay West via cctalk]

Brent wrote...
---
The right side of the drive (should) have little pieces of 1/8" thick
aluminum glued at the back of the rack-mount holes to match the thickness of
the left-side bracket, to make the drive seat parallel to the face of the
rack.
In my (limited) experience those can have a tendency to fall off and may be
lost when the drive is unmounted due to dried glue.
---
The brackets I just posted about... I didn't just have the brackets made. I
had the complete mounting kit (including the little shims that brent
mentions above, and including all necessary nuts and bolts, and even the HP
mounting instructions that came with it) replicated. The bolts are actually
kind of critical for the right fit, due to the bevel of the bolt holes in
the bracket, as well as the depth of the bolts going in to the particular
confines of the mounting holes built into the rack. Long story short, it is
a complete mounting kit. If you search the archives for the mounting kit
part number you'll probably find the previous thread on this.

J

RE: Mounting HP7970e 9-Trk 1/2" Tape Drive

[Jay West via cctalk]

I'm sure there is a post in the archives about this...

There is a special custom HP bracket on the left. It is a heavy piece of
steel - and it MUST be, due to the weight and movement (swing out) of the
unit. I'm used to finding ways for one person to do a two man job when
mounting things in racks, but just don't do it with the 7970 - you will get
hurt. I had to get someone to help mainly because it's not just sliding in
on some kind of rails. You have to literally hold the unit in place in mid
air in the rack while getting to bolts and holes to align that you can't
even get to from your side of the swingout. ISTR it's around 150# or so.
Even with two people, there was a lot of huffing and straining - and that is
with the special bracket that is designed to sort of hold it in place (it
doesn't really) while you bolt it in.

I've probably had around ten 7970's go through my shop, and only one of them
ever came with that bracket. It is almost always lost. So... I had a friend
of mine that owns a machine shop fabricate a new mounting bracket for the
7970. I think I had him make around 8 or so, and I sent them off to other
collectors for the cost of having them made or shipping or smth. These
brackets are 100% identical to the originals and made from steel that is at
least as strong as the original, probably more.

I think I may have an extra one of those brackets that was made, will check.

J

OT Parts houses & scrappers

[Jay West via cctalk]

Kudos to Jesse for working with me offlist, I feel I've gotten a good deal. I 
appreciate the offers to help purchase, very much, but I got this taken care of 
directly with Jesse and I'm happy.

We have to understand, as others pointed out, that if no one speaks up for 
stuff at a price that can keep the parts houses in business then the parts 
won't be around. By the same token, the parts houses have to know we can't pay 
typical full price that corporations/military can. We must be willing to pay 
something above scrap value, of course.

I ask folks to keep an open mind and give Jesse a fair shake moving forward.

Best,

J

RE: HP board "gold recovery" garbage

[Jay West via cctalk]

Because Will, I'm not sure that would be fair to the other people already here 
watching or planning to bid. I'd be swooping in and changing an auction they 
were already looking at. And if it happens now those watchers will know who to 
be peeved at.

But if someone wins it, I'll pay $300 for just that one board.

-Original Message-
From: William Donzelli [mailto:wdonze...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:38 PM
To: Jay West ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic 
Posts 
Cc: Chris Hanson 
Subject: Re: HP board "gold recovery" garbage

Why not offer them a nice pile of money for just that board - make it worth 
their while to update the auction?

--
Will

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 5:34 PM Jay West via cctalk  
wrote:
>
> OMG no, that hurts more than just my heart because: That top board on 
> the stack is a 12922, part of that 3 board mux set for TSB. I sure 
> wish I had some spare cash at the moment.
>
> The ebay seller lists as "Cypress"? Pushing them out for gold?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chris 
> Hanson via cctalk
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 3:57 PM
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
> 
> Subject: HP board "gold recovery" garbage
>
> This hurts my heart:
>
>   HP Gold vintage 1970's high yeld recovery plated ic chips leads w 
> palladium caps
>   https://www.ebay.com/itm/382505855460
>
> Who cares what something could do, there might be pennies worth of 
> gold to be had!
>
>   -- Chris
>
>

RE: HP board "gold recovery" garbage

[Jay West via cctalk]

OMG no, that hurts more than just my heart because: That top board on the
stack is a 12922, part of that 3 board mux set for TSB. I sure wish I had
some spare cash at the moment.

The ebay seller lists as "Cypress"? Pushing them out for gold?

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chris
Hanson via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 3:57 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: HP board "gold recovery" garbage

This hurts my heart:

  HP Gold vintage 1970's high yeld recovery plated ic chips leads w
palladium caps
  https://www.ebay.com/itm/382505855460

Who cares what something could do, there might be pennies worth of gold to
be had!

  -- Chris

RE: Hewlett-Packard 3000, 9000, Itanium (HP-UX & MPE/iX) Servers, Storage Arrays, Replacement Parts, Maintenance, & Disaster back-ups

[Jay West via cctalk]

Grant wrote...
---
Conversely "Hay everybody, check out what we have for sale this week!" 
is not so cool.

--


I've dealt with Jesse before, at least I tried to. I needed a particular board 
that he had (part of a 12920 mux set) that has almost no commercial value. That 
board wasn't generally used under the more "still commercially viable" os's 
like rte. It was generally only used for HP TSB which isn't going to have 
commercial interest. He wanted somewhere around $1500 for it, and would not 
negotiate much really. ISTR that someone made mention that the stuff was 
pitched later, unsold. So sad.



I agree that the general introductory blast post was a bit over the top. But I 
don't think it's been posted here regularly, and vendors that obviously 
contribute here get a little leeway (Cindy). I figure some may not be familiar 
with Cypress/Dougherty systems so one intro email per six months or year 
doesn't bug me.  More often will draw some ire ;) If Dougherty Systems wants to 
participate in this mailing list, there needs to be some 'collector friendly' 
value, it's a two way street. I suggest that Jeff @ Cypress scan maybe a year 
of past postings by Cindy @ Electronics Plus, and emulate.


J

OT RE: Bogus "account hacked" message

[Jay West via cctalk]

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of John Foust
via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2019 6:33 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Bogus "account hacked" message

At 08:56 PM 1/8/2019, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
>I currently have 9000-some blocked IPs in hosts.deny, I wonder how much
that slows down my store.  Ugh, the stuff we are forced to go through.

Now you've increased your chances by 9000x that someday someone will
complain that they can't reach your site.  You said "botnet" right?

- John

RE: Want/Available list

[Jay West via cctalk]

This is not a peeing contest. Not concerned about who started it nor who said 
something last.

Everyone drop the angst, keep it amicable.

J

RE: Project sonoko, x11 xterm home-made

[Jay West via cctalk]

Carlo, I apologize that this list is difficult to follow and looks like spam to 
you. I'm not sure how to help you if that is your position.

I do suggest that you and Al work things out off-list so that things stay 
amicable here ;)

J

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Carlo Pisani 
via cctalk
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:38 PM
To: Al Kossow ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic 
Posts 
Subject: Re: Project sonoko, x11 xterm home-made

> > don't waste other people's projects for your stupidity!
> you're the one who sliced open their finger, asshat

ok, enjoy the ignore list, I have no time to waste with idiots like you

OT RE: 3D printer $179.99 (today ONLY) (Was: 8-Update

[Jay West via cctalk]

Fred wrote...
In addition, how hard would it be to 3D print some parts to turn it into a
PLOTTER?
---
I have not seen or done the below myself. But I have heard that there are
plenty of conversion kits out there for 3d printers to do:

As fred asked... https://tinyurl.com/y9d7sbwt

Also... PCB creation. Some are doing pcb's by adding a small laser module to
the hotend and exposing photoresist plates and then washing off all but the
traces and pads. Others are mounting a conductive ink pen to the hot end and
drawing the traces. Some are building thin channels for the traces, and
filling them with conductive paint.

Some are laser engraving or even cutting with a small (8000 mW continuous)
CO2 laser, again, on the hot end.

Some are casting metal parts by 3d printing molds.

There are new filament materials coming out all the time. My new favorite is
a wood filament. It's just wood particles in another medium, sure... but it
can be sanded and will take stain. That's close enough for me!

There's a reason getting a 3d printer took me away from vintage computers
for a while ;)

J

RE: 3D printer $179.99 (Was: 8-Update

[Jay West via cctalk]

Gene wrote...
For what you're going to use it for, that's a good choice.  I wouldn't 
recommend it as a printer though. ;)  (The design isn't bad, but it's not a 
very newbie-friendly printer.)
-
Gene, you're just sore that the $175 ender 3 is comparable to a Prusa i3 Mk3 
that costs $800  (those words are from the all3dp.com reviews, not me) ;) 
Actually, I think you're spot on when you say it's not newbie-friendly because 
it requires some tinkering once it's out of the box to get great results. 
Another side of that is that perhaps it's the newbies that really SHOULD spend 
the time tinkering to get it right, so they understand what to do when their 
other 3d printers go awry. I suspect most of the people here are the tinkering 
type ;)

Actually I misspoke when I said the ender 3 has design flaws. All of its flaws 
are in the execution of manufacturing, not in the design itself. Replace the 
extruder with an all-metal one instead of plastic (the plastic one cracked in a 
few weeks for me, so filament slippage) - cost is about $15. Drop in a 
borosilicate glass bed, so you can get better adhesion than the stock pad, 
easier removal, as well as more flexible choice of filament materials - that's 
about $20. Replace the z-axis rod coupler with one that actually doesn't slip - 
cost about $5. And while not necessary, it makes it a lot easier to get good 
parts if you add an automatic bed leveler - $70 (for the th3d one).

J

Off-Topic : RE: 3D printer $179.99 (Was: 8-Update

[Jay West via cctalk]

Fred wrote
>> If you are seriously considering getting one, consider:
>> https://www.woot.com/category/computers?ref=w_gh_cp_5
>> That offer is for 24 hours!

I've had dual time-sinks the past year, a 3d printer and a high end drone :)

The 3d printer I got was the creality ender 3 that is mentioned above. First, 
you will not find a bad review for it, all the reviews are glowing. Most 
reviews also say it's print quality and print-features are on-par with $1000+ 
printers. That is correct, and I paid $175 for mine. I love it. That being 
said, the ender 3 has some design deficiencies. If you buy one, plan on 
spending maybe $50 to $100 on upgraded options right off the bat. Once you do 
that - it is a better printer than many of the big names people will likely 
recommend.

If you are wanting to get a printer and start producing production quality 
parts right out of the box, the ender 3 is not for you. If you are willing to 
tinker and upgrade just a tiny bit... you'll be really happy.

J

RE: Old HP stuff

[Jay West via cctalk]

I could probably use one more period-correct HP rack if someone has one they 
need to go away. The HP mint gray ones, not the more modern beige/cream/white.

J

RE: cctalk/cctech

[Jay West via cctalk]

>>> I think it's time for cctech to die.
>>>
>>>
>> I agree!
>>
>>
> Not die so much as one become an alias of the other.  I actually use 
> them both, depending on the nature of my question.  Someone should run 
> a set of tests.

It was decided and announced long ago that cctalk and cctech would once again 
merge and become the same list. Nope, I still haven't gotten around to it. Yep, 
it is still going to happen.

J

OTsorta : Old phone system(s) avail

[Jay West via cctalk]

I know some of our members are into phones...

 

I am tossing the following in a skip to go to a recycler. I'd rather not
ship the units, but am willing to pull any boards if someone needs them.

 

Toshiba Strata DX

Toshiba CIX200

Toshiba CIX40

 

The will be sent off to recycler Monday or Tuesday.

 

J

RE: PDP-11 in russia?

[Jay West via cctalk]

We may have found someone at least on the right continent ;)

For those interested, he sent a pic (but haven't looked at it closely to see if 
the -11 is even in there):

http://www.ezwind.net/IMG_0223.JPG

J

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod G8DGR via 
cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 12:27 PM
To: Holm Tiffe ; General Discussion: On-Topic and 
Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: RE: PDP-11 in russia?

There were plenty of real PDP-11’s that found their way to Russia.
Often through front companies in say Vienna.

Rod Smallwood 
Digital Equipment Corporation 1975 – 1985


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Holm Tiffe via cctalk
Sent: 02 October 2018 18:01
To: Jay West; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: PDP-11 in russia?

Jay West via cctalk wrote:

> Someone has contacted me about a pdp-11 that controls a "measuring machine
> dea epsilon".
> 
>  
> 
> It appears that they want to replace the pdp-11 with a "ibm" (I'm guessing a
> pc), and then they would give the pdp-11 as a gift.
> 
>  
> 
> That is all the info I have. Are there any listmembers in Russia who would
> be able to take on a project?
> 
>  
> 
> J


This for sure isn't a PDP11, it would be an "ELEKTRONIKA 60" I think.
This is something like an 11/23 but with metric Connectors, PCBs are a
little bit bigger as PDP11's.

I do own such a beast, that's a picture from the CPU:

https://www.tiffe.de/Robotron/PDP-VAX/E60/E60-01.jpg

Other pictures are in the same directory (directory index is allowed).

..it's running RT11 from a 8" RX Floppy clone...

Regards,

Holm
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 Freiberger Straße 42, 09600 Oberschöna, USt-Id: DE253710583
i...@tsht.de Fax +49 3731 74200 Tel +49 3731 74222 Mobil: 0172 8790 741

RE: PDP-11 in russia?

[Jay West via cctalk]

Sorry, all I got was two sentences, a .ru email address and a +79 phone number 
:)

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Bill 
Gunshannon via cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 7:56 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: PDP-11 in russia?



On 10/02/2018 08:52 AM, Jay West via cctalk wrote:
> I do have a phone number for them. I am not really familiar with 
> international dialing, but it starts:
>
> +79507. which my google-fu seems to indicate is Slovenia?
>
>

I wouldn't call a Slovenian a Russian to his face.  :-)

It's also a very  long ways from Russia.

bill

RE: PDP-11 in russia?

[Jay West via cctalk]

I do have a phone number for them. I am not really familiar with international 
dialing, but it starts:

+79507. which my google-fu seems to indicate is Slovenia?

Maybe someone in the US could do the work if a tech-minded translator was 
available. 

J

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Katz 
via cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 7:47 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Re: PDP-11 in russia?

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 1:37 PM Jay West via cctalk 
wrote:

> Someone has contacted me about a pdp-11 that controls a "measuring 
> machine dea epsilon".
>

Russia is a pretty big place.  Any idea where? If we have list members in 
Ukraine versus Finland versus Romania it could make a huge difference. Or Japan 
if the machine is in Vladivostok.

PDP-11 in russia?

[Jay West via cctalk]

Someone has contacted me about a pdp-11 that controls a "measuring machine
dea epsilon".

 

It appears that they want to replace the pdp-11 with a "ibm" (I'm guessing a
pc), and then they would give the pdp-11 as a gift.

 

That is all the info I have. Are there any listmembers in Russia who would
be able to take on a project?

 

J

RE: pdp-11/34 extravaganza

[Jay West via cctalk]

This was claimed by the way..

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay West
via cctalk
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 2:02 PM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: pdp-11/34 extravaganza

I was contacted about an 11/34 system available. It appears to be not just a
system, nor just a system in a rack, but pretty much a full installation and
all the trimmings (printers, terminals, documentation, media, etc.). I am
pretty sure some of the terminals will invoke interest at the very least ;)

 

Note - the person who has it is looking for a sale. No prices have been
discussed, but my impression is they aren't going to let it all go for $50
:) The stuff is located in the Detroit metro area.

 

I am not (nor do I want to be) involved in this transaction in any way. I'm
just passing it on. I would prefer to pass it to someone who has a
demonstrated ability (and resources) for rescues of this size and type of
equipment. All I care about is that the equipment is rescued and by a
responsible party. Do not email me expressing interest in just one or two
items. I will pass it all to one person - if THEY want to part it out *after
the deal* that's fine. I do have a single picture I can forward. If
interested email me directly..

 

Terminals (screen, keyboard, mouse) (1 is custom built)

- Quantity: 2  -Tektronix 4012

- Quantity: 1  -Tektronix 4010

- Quantity: 1  - Custom Built Tektronix

 

Printer Terminal with Monitor (keyboard)

- Quantity: 1 - Digital VT100

- Quatity: 2  - Digital VT105

 

Printer Terminal

- Quantity: 2  - DEC Writer IV

 

PDP 11/34 (edit by jay - I believe there is only one 11/34, not 4. I could
be wrong.)

- Quantity: 1  - 11/34A-DH - 115 Volts / 60Hz

- Quantity: 1  - 1134A-XE - 120 Volts / 60Hz

- Quantity: 1  - 11/34A-YE - 120 Volts / 60Hz

- Quantity: 1  - 11/34A DE - 120 Volts / 60Hz

 

Digital RL01 - Quantity: 2

Digital RL02 - Quantity: 2

 

Digital RX02 - Quantity: 4 - 1 out of the 4 is non-functioning

Digital RX01- Quantity: 2

 

DEC Magnetic Disk Drivers

- Quantity: 23 (possibly more)

Some are RL01K-DC and some are RL02K-DC

One has Fortinet on it

 

IEE Serial Display Quantity: 1

 

Digital M9202  Quantity: 5

Digital M9741  Quantity: 1

Digital M9312  Quantity: 1

Digital M9302  Quantity: 2

Digital M7850  Quantity: 2

Digital M9301  Quantity: 2

 

Digital QSC H322 Quantity 1, possibly 2

 

Various Spare Parts

-Printing Paper

-Original Printing Ink

-INMAC Air Filters

-RX02 Replacement Fan

-Extra Cable for PDP 11/34

-Moss Memory for PDP 11/34

-Spare Power Supplies

-3 cases of documentation for the different components and programs

 

Half Rack with Built In Power Supply Digital 872-A Quantity: 1

Full Rack, Chasf CD3001-99-0141  Quantity: 1

 

 

 

 

 

 

pdp-11/34 extravaganza

[Jay West via cctalk]

I was contacted about an 11/34 system available. It appears to be not just a
system, nor just a system in a rack, but pretty much a full installation and
all the trimmings (printers, terminals, documentation, media, etc.). I am
pretty sure some of the terminals will invoke interest at the very least ;)

 

Note - the person who has it is looking for a sale. No prices have been
discussed, but my impression is they aren't going to let it all go for $50
:) The stuff is located in the Detroit metro area.

 

I am not (nor do I want to be) involved in this transaction in any way. I'm
just passing it on. I would prefer to pass it to someone who has a
demonstrated ability (and resources) for rescues of this size and type of
equipment. All I care about is that the equipment is rescued and by a
responsible party. Do not email me expressing interest in just one or two
items. I will pass it all to one person - if THEY want to part it out *after
the deal* that's fine. I do have a single picture I can forward. If
interested email me directly..

 

Terminals (screen, keyboard, mouse) (1 is custom built)

- Quantity: 2  -Tektronix 4012

- Quantity: 1  -Tektronix 4010

- Quantity: 1  - Custom Built Tektronix

 

Printer Terminal with Monitor (keyboard)

- Quantity: 1 - Digital VT100

- Quatity: 2  - Digital VT105

 

Printer Terminal

- Quantity: 2  - DEC Writer IV

 

PDP 11/34 (edit by jay - I believe there is only one 11/34, not 4. I could
be wrong.)

- Quantity: 1  - 11/34A-DH - 115 Volts / 60Hz

- Quantity: 1  - 1134A-XE - 120 Volts / 60Hz

- Quantity: 1  - 11/34A-YE - 120 Volts / 60Hz

- Quantity: 1  - 11/34A DE - 120 Volts / 60Hz

 

Digital RL01 - Quantity: 2

Digital RL02 - Quantity: 2

 

Digital RX02 - Quantity: 4 - 1 out of the 4 is non-functioning

Digital RX01- Quantity: 2

 

DEC Magnetic Disk Drivers

- Quantity: 23 (possibly more)

Some are RL01K-DC and some are RL02K-DC

One has Fortinet on it

 

IEE Serial Display Quantity: 1

 

Digital M9202  Quantity: 5

Digital M9741  Quantity: 1

Digital M9312  Quantity: 1

Digital M9302  Quantity: 2

Digital M7850  Quantity: 2

Digital M9301  Quantity: 2

 

Digital QSC H322 Quantity 1, possibly 2

 

Various Spare Parts

-Printing Paper

-Original Printing Ink

-INMAC Air Filters

-RX02 Replacement Fan

-Extra Cable for PDP 11/34

-Moss Memory for PDP 11/34

-Spare Power Supplies

-3 cases of documentation for the different components and programs

 

Half Rack with Built In Power Supply Digital 872-A Quantity: 1

Full Rack, Chasf CD3001-99-0141  Quantity: 1

 

 

 

 

 

 

VCFMW

[Jay West via cctalk]

Once again. Silent700 put together an incredible show for the Midwest
computer festival in Elk Grove. Every room that was rented was almost
overflowing most of the show, so I suspect attendance was great. I heard a
lot of good feedback on the speakers and presentations, and I also noticed
that the auction pile was bigger than each previous year.

 

I'm not sure which exhibit was my favorite, could be Pat's AVLVAX or Mikes
HP3000 - but I also seem to have spent more time than usual at all the C64,
A2+, and TRS80 machines. Maybe I'll take a detour to the 8-bitters in my
collection for the near term, we'll see!

 

In addition to the show, there were multiple parties and some late nights
spent hanging out with the folks I mostly get to see once a year so
friendships were renewed and such! Midwest is definitely a really fun show,
I strongly encourage anyone who hasn't been to come out next year.

 

Silent700 and helpers (mike et. Al.). thank you so much for your untiring
devotion to making Midwest such a great show.

 

J

 

 

RE: HP 7980 tape drives

[Jay West via cctalk]

Ed wrote...
--
can use the hpib but some one would have to be on way to grand canyon  and drop 
off..
---

You aware that your HP TSB systems wont speak HPIB?

J

RE: old DEC stuff

[Jay West via cctalk]

Dominique wrote:
$75 for one toggle switch ? $9,999.00 for a rusty PDP8L ?

hem ... No
-
Mitch Miller is a really good guy, and very "collector friendly".
He still sells to a lot of business clients, and those are the prices he can 
get for those in that market.

However, if you call or email him - let him know you are a collector - you'll 
find him willing to work with you.

Best,

J

RE: Happy Armed Forces Day 2018

[Jay West via cctalk]

Fred wrote...
d) The TRULY IMPORTANT issues will never be solved through the use of armed
forces:
big-endian V little-endian
vi v emacs
DEC V IBM
CDC V IBM
TRS80 V Apple
Atari V Commodore
IBM V Apple
Android V IOS
Linux V Windoze V MacOS
number of buttons on a mouse


You left off top-posting, and reply-to-list.

J

list server maintenance

[Jay West via cctalk]

Back up, testing.

RE: Blog in portuguese - are updates allowed/wanted?

[Jay West via cctalk]

Definitely OK by me, does anyone object?

Also don't forget www.tabalabs.com.br as well :)

J

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Alexandre 
Souza via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 2:52 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Blog in portuguese - are updates allowed/wanted?

Dear friends
I have a blog in portuguese where I write my adventures in repairing and 
maintaining old computers. Today's post is:
http://tabajara-labs.blogspot.com/2018/04/msx-yamaha-yis303yis503-e-seus-irmaos.html

Should I post updates to my blog here? Are these wanted/allowed? I believe yes 
to both

Thanks
Alexandre

(and don't forget to click on the ads and share around :) ) (and check often 
the blog, there are tons of great info :D) (and google translate is your 
friend!) (and the groove is in the heart :D )

RE: Scanned paperback book "RSX A User's Guide"

[Jay West via cctalk]

Mark - if you don't find another good spot for it, I'd be happy to host it for 
free. Perhaps rsx.classiccmp.org or such.

Best,

J

RE: Speed now & then

[Jay West via cctalk]

Liam wrote...
https://danluu.com/input-lag/

Hey thanks for that link... fun read!

J

RE: CLASSICCMP vs. RackSpace or Gmail

[Jay West via cctalk]

I suspect I must be missing something. I haven't gotten a request/question from 
Zane or Jim about anything lately.

As Doc said "Please state the nature of your emergency" :>

Let me know what you need and I'll be happy to help.

J

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Zane Healy via 
cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 9:58 AM
To: jim stephens ; General Discussion: On-Topic and 
Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Re: CLASSICCMP vs. RackSpace or Gmail

On 2018-02-05 22:09, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
> I'm subscribed twice, once from this personal domain, and also from my 
> gmail account which seems to be clunking along archiving everything on 
> google for free (for me).  No recommendation about signing up now, may 
> have some rating the list uses to require approval, etc., and Jay is 
> busy as hell?  Speculating on that.
> 
> thanks
> Jim

My assumption/hope is that Jay is simply busy.  I'm working on a couple 
projects where access to CLASSICCMP would be nice, and this email address is 
intermittent.

Zane

RE: Sneak peak: this year's VCF PNW/East/West shirt design

[Jay West via cctalk]

Gene wrote...
> Just...no.
Yeah, agreed. No.

Fred wrote...
>The "nuts" and "bolts" should be capacitors and chips.
>The squared off U shaped object nearest on the desk >should be replaced by
an Escher Fork (aka impossible >trident).
>soldering iron and scope, instead of hammer.
>maybe some magic smoke escaping from whatever he >works on.
>inadequate clutter.
>howzbout some books and schematics

Completely agreed (Fred). But by the time you add all that... it's too
detailed for a t-shirt. Actually, already is.

J

RE: Which Operating System for my DCC-116 E / Entrex 480 / Nixdorf 620 / Data General Nova 1200 clone ?

[Jay West via cctalk]

The 'other Jay' wrote...
--
Diagnostics for DG systems are notoriously difficult to find.  I have a few, in 
listing format.
--
I have a full official DG-issued/labeled original diagnostic OS tape. I do 
believe it is at 800bpi though. If I had an 800 bpi drive (everything I have is 
1600-6250) I'd image it for everyone.

I have a nice S/130 rack that I was almost finished restoring till Bruce Ray 
stopped responding. It's been sitting in my workshop for years now and I may 
have to just get rid of it. Next to it is a pile of about 8 nova 800/1200 cpus 
(all stuffed with boards) that I was going to start on next, but was waiting 
till the S/130 was done. I'd like to get done with them so I can move on to 
other machines that need to be restored... but may have to just move them out 
altogether.

I'm wary of just sending the tape through the mail for imaging maybe I can 
find someone local with an 800 bpi tape drive and eric smith's tapeutils.

J

test

[Jay West via cctalk]

Test - no reply needed.

RE: Altair Peripheral Emulator

[Jay West via cctalk]

My fault for being hopelessly backlogged. I will have a website spot ready for 
the content by tomorrow morning.

How about http://ape.classiccmp.org ? FreeBSD/Apache/MySQL/PHP ok?

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Richard Cini 
via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:08 PM
To: Mark G Thomas ; cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Altair Peripheral Emulator








I have the archive from Frank but I haven’t put it up yet. I 
was waiting for a sub-site on classiccmp. 
If you need it quicker, the Wayback Machine may have it. 



Get Outlook for iOS





On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 4:05 PM -0500, "Mark G Thomas via cctalk" 
 wrote:










Hi,

Does anyone know where I can find the Altair Peripheral Emulator?

Links I have found so far are all dead:

http://home.comcast.net/~forbin376

http://frankbarberis.tech.officelive.com/default.aspx

Mark


-- 
Mark G. Thomas (m...@misty.com), KC3DRE

RE: Almost PDP 11/05 on Ebay

[Jay West via cctalk]

A guy recently contacted me that had an 11/05 for sale, stating his first 
preference was it go to a museum and if that failed, he wanted to sell it. I 
sure hope he's not parting it out on ebay

Please don’t email me about it... if the museum he's currently talking to 
doesn't take it, I'll post it as 'equipment available' here.

Best,

J

RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Jay West via cctalk]

And FYI... bitsavers is mirrored multiple places, so if it is at bitsavers, 
it's already got multiple sources.

RE: List Problems?

[Jay West via cctalk]

Yes, I am aware of the list problems. Yes, it went down a couple weeks ago and 
again about a week ago. The issue is that I've been migrating the classiccmp 
server VM from an old falling apart cluster to a new one. Rather than just 
migrate it, I decided to take the time to upgrade everything. All software, all 
dependancies, OS, etc etc.

My approach was to create a new classiccmp server on the new cluster, and then 
migrate one website/ftp site/repository/mailinglist at a time. This way I could 
make sure things are running ok before just moving everything. What that means 
is that as of this moment, some classiccmp related websites are on the 'old' 
but running server, and some are on the 'new' but running server. That is why - 
for just one example - that when the old (but still in production) server went 
down a couple weeks ago (see below)... bitsavers still stayed up and running. 
It had already been migrated.

So on the old falling apart cluster where the old server is, there is a 
horrendous iscsi issue. This is partly a problem with freebsd and some silly 
assumptions made by the developers, or at least lack of time to fix it. It's 
also due to some bad network related items. But mostly it is due to the fact 
that all of our production clients we moved off the old stuff a year ago and 
that hardware isn't well maintained and targeted for decommission. That can't 
happen until my hobby classiccmp list/site, and all the vintage computer 
related sites that I host for free get moved.

Yes, there are active backups of everything. But whenever the iscsi issue 
presents itself, I have to restore the entire VM, and that takes a long long 
time.

So no Aaron - better hosting isn't needed. Nor is any donation. I just need to 
find a bunch of roundtuits so I can finish the migration. Then it will be 
stable again. This is a hobby, and life does intervene at times. About the only 
thing I'll ask is if you ever meet me in person at an event, buy me a glass of 
beer and I'll be happy.

J

RE: PDP8.org

[Jay West via cctalk]

So either it’s a bug and will be fixed soon, or we have a very limited window 
to grab it before DNS propagates.

As always - willing to host any classic computer related websites free of 
charge. Not trying to take aaron's site if he's still got it, just want to make 
sure it's preserved.

J

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Lyle Bickley 
via cctalk
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:49 PM
To: cctalk 
Cc: Torfinn Ingolfsen 
Subject: Re: PDP8.org

WHOIS on pdp8.org yields:
...
Admin Name: Aaron Nabil
Admin Organization: Aaron Nabil
Admin Street: PO BOX 87250
Admin City: Vancouver
Admin State/Province: Washington
Admin Postal Code: 98687
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: +1.36
Admin Phone
Ext: Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: krell...@gmail.com
Registry Tech ID: C73226545-LROR
Tech Name: Aaron Nabil
Tech Organization: Aaron Nabil
Tech Street: PO BOX 87250
Tech City: Vancouver
Tech State/Province: Washington
Tech Postal Code: 98687
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: +1.36
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax:
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: krell...@gmail.com
Name Server: NS2.SPIRITONE.COM
Name Server: NS.SPIRITONE.COM
DNSSEC: unsigned

Checking SPIRITONE DNS Servers yields:

lpb@honcho:~> nslookup pdp8.org NS.SPIRITONE.COM
nslookup: couldn't get address for 'NS.SPIRITONE.COM': not found lpb@honcho:~> 
nslookup ns.spiritone.com
Server: 75.75.75.75
Address:75.75.75.75#53

** server can't find ns.spiritone.com: NXDOMAIN

lpb@honcho:~> nslookup ns2.spiritone.com
Server:
75.75.75.75 Address:75.75.75.75#53

** server can't find ns2.spiritone.com: NXDOMAIN

So the Domain is still owned by Aaron, but the domain DNS record points to DNS 
Servers that are no longer in service or whose name has been changed.

Lyle
---

On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 10:38:39 -0700
Lyle Bickley via cctalk  wrote:

> pdp8.org is NOT in:
> 
> Comcast DNS:
> nslookup pdp8.org
> ;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 75.75.75.75, trying next server
> Server: 75.75.76.76
> Address:75.75.76.76#53
> 
> ** server can't find pdp8.org: SERVFAIL
> 
> Google DNS:
> nslookup pdp8.org 8.8.8.8
> Server: 8.8.8.8
> Address:8.8.8.8#53
> 
> ** server can't find pdp8.org: SERVFAIL
> 
> 
> Lyle
> ---
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 19:21:13 +0200
> Liam Proven via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> > On 28 October 2017 at 13:04, Torfinn Ingolfsen via cctalk 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Why?
> > > It works from here (Oslo, Norway) now.
> > 
> > Not from Prague...
> > 
> > «
> > This site can’t be reached
> > 
> > pdp8.org’s server DNS address could not be found.
> > 
> > Did you mean http://www.pdp8.net/?
> > Search Google for pdp 8 org
> > 
> > ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED
> > »
> >   
> 
> 
> 



--
Lyle Bickley
AF6WS'73
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"

RE: Contacting the list admin?

[Jay West via cctalk]

Got it covered.

RE: HP 21mx/whatever processor works with doublesided key... i forgot model#

[Jay West via cctalk]

Ed wrote...
--
HP 21mx/whatever   processor   works  with double  sided  key... (I forgot 
model#)
--
Given the way you phrased it, the correct replacement for 'whatever' is M
series. E and F never used the double sided key.
However, even that is not entirely correct. Older M's used the double sided
key. Later M's used the single sided key that is the same as the E and F.
 
And
---
It has ... of all things  3  tty  boards in it? what  is  with that? Multi
user without  a  mux?
---
Didn't you sell and support these things in a prior life? It was always far
more common to see the 21MX machines with 'discrete' tty boards rather than
muxes. There were only two mux boards, the one in 2000/Access which was very
uncommon as far as 21mx's go... and the one that RTE commonly used which was
also not super common to find in the wild. If you had a mux board, then I
would have been a bit surprised. Multiple tty boards? Not surprised, that
was the far more common thing more often than not, the 21mx's weren't
really used/targeted for multiuser (except 2000 TSB of course). RTE did
multiuser well, but... still was probably most often used in situations that
really didn't require it. Mux's weren't super common.
 
And

Has  2  memory boards   think I  remember   64k total.

64kb or 64kw? Remember, the M.E.M. option is required to support more than
32kw. On the M, MEM was optional. I believe it was standard on E & F.

And...
---
need to  find a  paper tape  basic   to   play  with.
---
There are plenty of those floating around. Google is your friend... I think
MU-BASIC may have been the one I heard people using? See below for a better
option
 
And...
--
Any other  advice?
--
You should probably start by reading an introduction to the 21MX to get some
basic background on the machines...
Go to: http://www.hpmuseum.net/exhibit.php?hwdoc=108
You should start with 02108-90004 followed by 02108-90002

Finally - for you (and anyone else) that has just a cpu or a cpu and minimal
peripherals, the best thing you can use to play with the machine is Terry
Newtons HP-IPL/OS.
See http://www.infionline.net/~wtnewton/oldcomp/hp2100/ and
http://newton.freehostia.com/net/hpiplos.html
Yes, you can run BASIC like you mention above. But it is a very well done
"Forth-like" system that is well developed/flushedout. So in addition to
BASIC, you get oh-so-many-wonderful-things. I very highly recommend that
anyone messing with 21mx/1000 systems take a good look at HP-IPL/OS.

Best,

J

RE: OT: the death of shortwave / Re: Hallicrafters S-85

[Jay West via cctalk]

Us lowly technician license holders would love to participate :)

J/KE0FJW

RE: Giving away my collection to someone just starting out in the hobby

[Jay West via cctalk]

If anyone has interest in Digital Aeon's (aka Steve Landon) "offer to get rid 
of his collection", please contact him directly off-list, and let's not 
continue this thread here.

J

offlist RE: Looking for Nova 1200 guts

[Jay West via cctalk]

Crates of 'em. Not sure how many are 800 vs 1200 though... 

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of jim stephens 
via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:42 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Looking for Nova 1200 guts

I would like to see if anyone has a processor, basic i/o and a memory board for 
said system.

Thanks
Jim

RE: More videos of VCF's Univac

[Jay West via cctalk]

VCF Univac 'project leader' wrote:
"Remember that there is only 32K of memory in the machine."

"only 32k"?? HP2K ran 32 users in 32K of ram, and did it quite well.

J

RE: Paging Dwight Elvey, Jay West and other Nicolet 1080 owners... [re-send]

[Jay West via cctalk]

Sellam wrote...
--
Dwight & Jay, I know you guys for sure have Nicolet 1080 minis.  And I think 
there's someone else that has one, maybe more.
--

My Nicolet was moved to another collector many years ago. I do not recall who 
for sure, but I think it was Dwight?

Best,

J

RE: Aaron Nabil & pdp-8.org

[Jay West via cctalk]

I was both stuck out of town as well as suffering a local mbox snafu so I
did not see this thread.

If anyone managed to save it, and the owner cannot be contacted/found, I'd
be happy to host it (or at least house it if permission is not obvious).

J

RE: (Classic Computers) HP 7970 1/2" 9-Track Reel-to-Reel Tape Drive

[Jay West via cctalk]

On 10/3/17 7:24 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> Al has a bunch of 7970 stuff on bitsavers, but not, I think (I could 
> be wrong) the manual specific to the B and C models.

I do have a chunk of HP service manuals (pretty sure 7970 included) that are in 
electronic format but have never made it online. If it needed, let me know what 
you're looking for.

J

RE: (Classic Computers) HP 7970 1/2" 9-Track Reel-to-Reel Tape Drive

[Jay West via cctalk]

Re: 7970's with HP-IB support

I had written….

I've never once seen that option in the wild though


To which Ed# replied...

YES! hp 30  series  3000  systems and 40  series  had   hpib  1600 bpi
7970e  in early days.


Generally, there are far more 2100/21MX systems still around and kicking
than there are 3000 systems, so I'd say my original statement is correct.

J

RE: (Classic Computers) HP 7970 1/2" 9-Track Reel-to-Reel Tape Drive

[Jay West via cctalk]

Jack wrote
> Question:  I understand that most (all?) of the '7970 drives interfaced 
> through the HP-IB IEEE-488 bus.

To which AEK replied
--
wrong.

full stop.
--

Welcome to our nook of the net. The grizzled veterans are here, and there's 
quite a few HP 2100/21MX folks lurking about. Ask away

To start... Al is correct. The 7970A/B used a basically proprietary interface. 
So did the 7970E, but on the E you could get an HP-IB option. I've never once 
seen that option in the wild though, so I don't think one would say "most" had 
it. I do have a handful of 7970E's running and a 7970B I should probably get 
rid of Chuck Guzis had recently posted the following which may shed light:

- Chuck Wisdom Follows --
If you're accustomed to a Pertec interface, then the 800 interface isn't 
terribly different, just dumber.  You still have a connector for the basic 
motion and status commands (i.e. forward, reverse, rewind, high-speed and 
online, loadpoint, ready, protect) and you have two 8-bit+parity clocked data 
channels for read and write respectively, each with their own connector.

However, there is no formatter, as on Pertec interface drives.  You get the 
raw, framed and deskewed data on read and pretty much anything you want to put 
in on write.   No "handshaking" as the interfaces are not buffered. {snip} The 
lack of a formatter means that you'll have to do the work of gap detection, 
parity checking/generation and CRC/LRCC interpretation and generation yourself, 
as well as manage the control lines.

I used a small STM32F407 MCU board (about $10) which has lots of 5V tolerant 
I/O, so receiving data and status is no problem.  For driving control lines, 
simply set the GPIO pins for open-drain operation.
There's something like 24ma of sinking capacity on those, so again, no need for 
intermediate logic.   Since I'm interested in reading tapes, but not writing 
them, I can't address the issue of what to do about that end.  My setup uses a 
serial port for interaction and a USB port that makes the onboard SDHC look 
like a generic storage device.  So, read a tape, dump the data into the SDHC 
(Chan's FATFS software is useful); suck it out via the USB port to a PeeSee.

To handle 1600 PE data would require yet another layer of software.
--

Hope this helps

J

RE: Joe Rigdon

[Jay West via cctalk]

I keep his pages online as he had a pretty huge amount of info and pictures.

On more than one occasion over the years I have tried to locate him, and posted 
on the list about it. There have been no positive responses

J

RE: HP 7970E - interest to split?

[Jay West via cctalk]

ED#WROTE
What is really  scarce is a  7 track  7970b!

I have a 7970B (needs some repair) that I would LOVE to trade for a 7970E.

J

RE: HP 7970E - interest to split?

[Jay West via cctalk]

I may be convinced to split it with you. I could always use another 7970E. I 
can't tell from the pictures if one is master and one is slave only 
though.. that would be key.

RE: HP 2108A key

[Jay West via cctalk]

Christian wrote
---
In total, there are three different keys used on the 21MX, 1000M and
1000E/F.
---

Ug... no. There are not 3 different keys used. And for the record, the 1000M
and 1000E/F are *ALL* 21MX's, at least in the end. They are also all
"1000's" in the end as well :> But 21MX & 1000M/E/F is redundant.

There are two different keys for the 21MX (later called the 1000) line. One
key is for the systems where the front panel was a keyswitch. This is the
one that is doublesided. The other key is for systems where the front panel
was just a latch for the door of the cpu chassis. This is the one that is
single sided, with two notches.

The 2105, 2108, and 2112 (M series) could be had with either an A or B rev
power supply. I believe the power supply (A vs B) dictates which key is used
(or more precisely, whether it is just a latch or a switch). I don't believe
the 2109, 2113 (E series) or 2111, 2117 (F series) ever came with an A rev
power supply, just B. But even if they did, it was probably for a very short
time, as the A rev power supply was a nightmarish abortion that was quickly
tossed for the B redesign. Perhaps the A was only around for the
2105/2108/2109, and was tossed by the time the later models came out. In any
case, just two keys.

That third picture that Christian supplied is either the same key but just a
different blank, or someone swapped some locks around (as the E/F he
pictures it on is definitely just a latch).

Bonus points if anyone knows where the "MX" came from in the 21MX moniker.
Hint... MeasureX.

There was actually a 3rd key in a similar architecture HP machine, the
2100A/S systems. Those machines used the ace key that we're all familiar
with already, but they are most definitely not 21MX boxes.

J

RE: HP 2108A key

[Jay West via cctalk]

No, that key won't work. The one Mike is looking for is dual sided key and 
controls a switch (off, on, standby, etc.). Yours the key is just a latch.

I had a ton of those A machines, but guess I traded them all off. Wouldn't 
surprise me, I standardized on the newer power supplies and E-series.

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay Jaeger via 
cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:13 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Re: HP 2108A key

Well, I don't think you checked with *this* Jay.  ;)

Would the key from an HP 2112B likely work?  It looks very much like the
2108A, just a tad larger (more cards).I have an HP 2112B, and it has
its key.

See a photo at :

http://webpages.charter.net/thecomputercollection/hp/hp2112b.htm

The key is 1 1/2" long, and has the number 4T1427 stamped on it.

JRJ


On 9/19/2017 6:38 PM, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote:
> 
>Does anyone have a key for a HP 2108A?  This is one of the original 
> 21MX M-series machines.  The key is NOT the same as for the E and 
> F-series machines.
> 
>I already checked with Jay.
> 
> 
> Mike Loewenmloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology 
>
> http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
> 

RE: oh, this is great news!

[Jay West via cctalk]

There is supposed to be a rule inside mailman, that if the x-spam-score
exceeds X (where X is I don't recall at the moment) it is deleted
automatically before moderation.

I'll check on why it made it.

J

RE: Interest in Prime manuals?

[Jay West via cctalk]

If DB doesn't want them, I will save/store them.

J

paging alexandre souza

[Jay West via cctalk]

Trying to reach alexander souza regarding his classiccmp hosted website, but
no response. Anyone know if he has a new email address or something?

 

J

More updates

[Jay West via cctalk]

For official bitsavers mirrors, rsyncd has been turned back on (it was off
while bitsavers was migrated to the new classiccmp server, and during
testing). If you host a bitsavers mirror and have any issues with rsync (you
will, if you were using the IP instead of the host name) please let me know
asap.

 

Websites hosted by the classiccmp server are being migrated one at a time
from the old server to the new server. For most of them, I can adjust DNS
(yes, the IP address of the classiccmp server is changing) so the change
will be transparent but for a few of them, I ask that the site owners be
ready and waiting to change DNS.

 

The disk space allocation for the free hosting vintage computer related
websites has been doubled, separately from the increase in disk space for
bitsavers. There is actually quite a backlog of people/organizations that
have requested free hosting for their vintage computer website and I have
had to put them all on hold for a long time due to shortage of disk space.
With this increase in disk space, I will be contacting each one soon and
saying "if you still want to proceed, I'm ready". If you wanted a free site
hosted and I do not contact you within the next 30 days, please reach out to
me again.

 

There has always been plenty of available space on our san, but the
classiccmp server has had some precarious issues preventing an easy increase
in space. I've rectified that by just spinning up a new VM and migrating
data. This also gets us on recent versions of freebsd, mailman,
apache/php/mysql/etc.

 

As long promised. and if I find enough round-tuits, the list(s) will get
recombined into one list again. Not sure I have the motivation to tackle
that one, but we'll see.

 

J

 

 

Update

[Jay West via cctalk]

Emergency moderation mode is in effect. Your posts to the list will likely
be delayed during this time. I'm sure it will return to non-emergency mode
quickly.

 

I've ended the previous thread. That's a bit of a shame, as many of the held
postings in that thread were pretty interesting stuff that was both thorough
and eloquent.

 

I did not ban anyone from the list as a result of this fiasco. The thought
was certainly in my head, but a brief count to 012 first has allowed me to
take a different approach: I'll be sending a few private emails shortly.

 

Of more upbeat importance. as of today the bitsavers.org pdf/bits archive
has received a few hundred more gb of space (their space was pretty
cramped). If anyone notices any issues with that site, as always let Al know
but for the next week or so please also let me know in an effort to address
as quickly as possible.

 

Thanks!

 

J

 

 

RE: Why women were the first computer programmers

[Jay West via cctalk]

You’re supposed to ‘allow’ (not that I need your permission) the list owner to 
take care of it. Everyone just assumed (jumped to the conclusion) that I was 
sexist. I deserve better than that, and I have nothing to prove.

 

Life’s too short. I’m done. For all the work and goodwill, I’m just tagged as a 
sexist in a nanosecond by folks without adequate information, or told I have to 
explain myself. I do not.

 

Funny – I’m sometimes chastised by list members for coming down on them for 
off-topic convo, so much so that there became two lists. And now I’m chastised 
for not coming down on people enough. Or chastised for not picking and choosing 
who/how/why to come down on someone the way a particular person thinks I 
should. Screw it.

 

J

From: Michael Mulhern [mailto:mich...@jongleur.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:53 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org>; 
Jay West <jw...@classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Why women were the first computer programmers

 

 but you admonish one publicly, and not the other that solicited the 
response. What am I supposed to read into that?

 

M. 

 

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 at 9:40 am, Jay West via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org 
<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote:

And if you don't think that evan's post was a personal attack, then I 
just don't know what I can tell you. I saw that and jumped on it first.

> On a technical list with adults, I believe that when someone posts something 
> on-topic which has portions you do not personally like that perhaps the adult 
> thing is to take the points that are in-common and expand on them, leaving 
> the points behind that you find offensive or inappropriate. The rest will be 
> dealt with off-list, as I have done in the past.



-- 

 

 

Blog: RetroRetrospective – Fun today with yesterday's gear…….. 
<http://www.jongleur.co.uk/blogs/> 

Podcast: Retro Computing Roundtable <http://rcrpodcast.com/>  (Co-Host)

RE: Why women were the first computer programmers

[Jay West via cctalk]

I wrote...
> I did not say sexism was ok. 

To which toby replied...
>That is, indeed, the message you are sending

No. It is not. It is what you are saying that I intend. And not that I have to 
explain myself but historically when anyone posts something I'd like to 
curb, I generally do it off-list. There are exceptions - which is my 
discretion. I did not yet get a chance to respond to it as I normally do that 
during the evenings.  But I have always said that the biggest way to get in 
trouble here is personal attacks. And if you don't think that evan's post was a 
personal attack, then I just don't know what I can tell you. I saw that and 
jumped on it first.
 
> On a technical list with adults, I believe that when someone posts something 
> on-topic which has portions you do not personally like that perhaps the adult 
> thing is to take the points that are in-common and expand on them, leaving 
> the points behind that you find offensive or inappropriate. The rest will be 
> dealt with off-list, as I have done in the past.


*Did* you, in this instance?

Because when somebody posts such vile, wrong, offensive and harmful 
essentialist hogwash, as Rod did, on a public list, I would be expecting swift 
action from the moderator, in private and/or in public. If you had given prompt 
notice of doing so, then readers wouldn't have had to censure it themselves.

So... what you're saying is... I have to report to you and the list, give you 
prompt notice of what I do/decide and what private emails I send OR ELSE you 
get to decide? That is not how it works.

J

RE: Why women were the first computer programmers

[Jay West via cctalk]

Seth, my wife is one of those engineers that you speak of. She has 30+ years at 
a 'well known global engineering company'. She has succeeded greatly and she 
has done so specifically by insisting that she be treated the same, not 
differently.

She discusses the stance that you wrote below very often, and I can tell you 
that any time someone says 'we have to have men talk differently'... she is 
greatly offended by the implication.

And no - we don't have to give engineers the right to be bad engineers. When 
you accept bad engineers as ok, generally - people die.

But the first part of your post is very on-topic and interesting, thank you for 
that.

Best,

J

RE: Why women were the first computer programmers

[Jay West via cctalk]

Several wrote...

> You may feel free to remove me from this list.
And
> Likewise.
And
> That's it for me and this list.

I did not say sexism was ok. Those that are reading that in to it - please 
click unsubscribe as you are obviously looking for an excuse to do so 
regardless. Or perhaps you're upset I won't give you a soapbox to commandeer 
the list discussion. Either way - please leave.

Please note that I said to keep things in a historical perspective and 
on-topic. I don't think that is saying sexism is ok.

On a technical list with adults, I believe that when someone posts something 
on-topic which has portions you do not personally like that perhaps the adult 
thing is to take the points that are in-common and expand on them, leaving the 
points behind that you find offensive or inappropriate. The rest will be dealt 
with off-list, as I have done in the past.

While one could argue about the intent of the original poster, one cannot argue 
that the personal attack - and namecalling - from Evan was acceptable. It was 
not.

J

RE: Why women were the first computer programmers

[Jay West via cctalk]

It was written...
---
That's crude, ignorant, sexist, and wrong.
---

The above statement sounds to me as being intolerant, hatespeech, and 
judgemental. Why do you think you have the right to determine that and apply 
labels to someone?

The world has gone mad with political correctness, and I will - at least in the 
very tiny corner of it that I control - not allow it.

Feel free to continue this discussion, but keep it to historical perspective 
and on-topic. If I see even one post that is attacking someone personally or 
politically, the list will go into emergency moderation mode. I will not allow 
political BS (nor personal attacks) here.

J

RE: WTB: RX02 Floppy Disks

[Jay West via cctalk]

Eric (via AEK) wrote
--
"RX02 format uses single-density address fields even for double density. The 
RX02 can "reformat" standard single-density into RX02 modified MFM format just 
by rewriting all of the data fields.

It still can't low-level format a blank or MFM disk."

So you have to have a single-density IBM formatted disk which the RX02 can 
convert
--
Assuming DEC hardware. ISTR that if you have one of the fairly common DSD 
drives (ex DSD440/880) then you can in fact format the RX02 disks.

J

RE: Wang 2200 system for sale in St. Louis, Mo.

[Jay West via cctalk]

Jim wrote...
--
Passing this along to the list.  This looks like a very nice system.

Via Steve Stengel.

Craigslist listing says it is @ an American Legion post.  Looks to be in 
north county,   American Legion Post 444 on Old Jamestown Road.

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/for/d/wang-vintage-computer/6224951354.html
---
I am pondering this, only because... it's a DESK man. It's in a DESK! What's 
not to love? :)

I had heard (not sure if true) that the basic environment on some Wang mini's 
of the time was greatly influenced by HP2000/TSB. If so, I might go after it. A 
*DESK*, man!

Really don't have the room for it though... someone should save it.

J

Yet More Equipment Available - Codex 6745/PDP11/IBMS1??

[Jay West via cctalk]

I got the following email, not sure what to make of it.. 

I just happen to have a PDP11 you might be interested in 

 

It is a Codex 6745

 

I have 4 work stations the processor and the server 

 

I also have an IBM series one complete with all of the log books that go
with it ,a beautiful large carriage printer with paper,

 

and a few work stations 

 

Many of the signatures in the log books are from Cornell students who are
famous geeks now

 

I am interests in SELLING all of them

 

So never heard of a statmux being an -11, but hey. 4 workstations and a
server eh? :)

 

But what piqued my curiosity more was the IBM series/1 system complete with
logbooks of cornell students?

 

Either this is a total scam, or the owner expects serious $$.

 

Regardless, if anyone wants to wrangle with this, drop me an email off-list
and I'll put you in contact with them.

 

Best,

 

J

 

Equipment Available - Russian

[Jay West via cctalk]

So Mihail contacted me and he wants to get rid of (sell) 3 old Russian
computers with documentation.

 

Pictures at: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByRamH3wFb6SYU1kclZQNWxkQUU

 

If anyone is interested, contact me off-list and I'll put you in touch with
the owner.

 

Best,

 

J

 

 

Boards stripped from MRI available

[Jay West via cctalk]

Some guy contacted me saying he had pulled all the boards from an MRI
machine that had a problem with the moving bed. Hr

 

He gave me an excel spreadsheet of what appeared to be AD/DA stuff branded
IMATRON, Dec boards (M8043, M8044DF, M8186), Distributed Logic MQ759
controller, some Computer Products serial IO boards, a pair of Mentec Quad
CPU boards (M100-04 rev D), and some dynafive corp 8 slot qbus backplanes.

 

I made a small offer on the mentec boards and got a one-word "NO" email
back. I suspect this guy thinks he is going to get thou$ands per board. I'm
not inclined to pursue this, but if anyone sees something they gotta have,
let me know and I'll put you in touch with him.

 

Then again, his demeanor makes me think he sent this email to several
thousand people lol

 

Best,

 

J

 

 

vintage apple collection

[Jay West via cctalk]

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/sop/6209023826.html

 

Not connected to the seller in any way, a friend of mine in phx just sent me
the link as he knew I was "in to old computers".

 

J

RE: Manual sought - Northern Telecom Spectron D101

[Jay West via cctalk]

John wrote...
--
I saw your post online regarding the D-101 Datascope Manual. If you still
have copy, I'm interested. Please let me know?
Thank you.
--

He must be referring to a post I had made... quite some time ago I was
looking for manuals... I did find them. I'll reply to him directly off-list.

J

OT (was RE: CFL AND BBS software for PDP11)

[Jay West via cctalk]

Unless somehow the discussion of CFL bulbs revolves around front panel light
replacement this thread needs to die.

J

RE: xv and VMS

[Jay West via cctalk]

3rd

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Bill
Gunshannon via cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:28 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: RE: xv and VMS


I'll second that.

bill


From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Cameron Kaiser via
cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:37 PM
To: rllo...@telus.net; cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: xv and VMS

> I am now retired so maybe I will find
> the time to get all that software glued together.

Retirement as an attempt to gain more free time just doesn't work.

--
 personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/
--
  Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com *
ckai...@floodgap.com
-- Stop repeat offenders. Don't re-elect them!

test, please ignore

[Jay West via cctalk]

Don't need a response, please ignore.

 

J

RE: Did we miss the 20th anniversary of classiccmp?

[Jay West via cctalk]

Pontus wrote...
-
You could argue that years are index starting from zero. Thus the 20-year
celebration is next year and we have ample time to prepare.
-
That's a hilariously great idea for the rationalization and justification
department *grin*

J

RE: Did we miss the 20th anniversary of classiccmp?

[Jay West via cctalk]

Zane wrote...
-
I think it's safe to say that a list dedicated to computer history, forgot its 
own history.
-

I beg to disagree with the premise. Yes, there are quite a few people here that 
focus on the history and historical aspects of the hobby. But that doesn't mean 
the list is "dedicated to computer history". It's a significant component, but 
many are here just for the love of the old machines, the knowledge that is 
present, electronics, software design, etc.

And yes, many are here just for the relationships and comradery that has 
developed over decades of the lists existence.

But that being said... we should have had a party or something *grin*.

J

RE: bitsavers rsync server down

[Jay West via cctalk]

Sam wrote…

How does one back up a system like that?
-

Well, it’s rsynced to X mirror sites around the globe (where X is I forgot, but 
I believe around 8 or 10 sites). So one site going dark isn’t going to make the 
content go away – even if the dead site is the master site on classiccmp. The 
frequency of the rsync is up to each mirror ISTR, but many do rsync daily.

Second, most of the classiccmp server is rsynced from the datacenter to a 12tb 
nas at my house about once a month just in case something bad happens.

It’s not a perfect system, but should be adequate. I’ve been pondering a few 
modifications to the above lately what with all the shuffling going around 
anyways….

 

Best,

 

J

RE: Bitsavers size

[Jay West via cctalk]

Alexandre wrote...
--
Is there interesting of having a "comunity backup" of bitsavers in Brazil?
--

I just host the main repository and rsyncd to the mirrors. The site is 100% 
owned and maintained by Al Kossow. So you'd need to ask that question of Al 
as he's the one that decides how many mirrors and where and who.

As I recall - two primary rules are that any mirrors that offer the content 
publicly, must not make any presentation changes. They must mirror the site 
exactly as the original, no changes to the files or presentation. In addition, 
the files all remain as bitsavers files (you cant get a mirror, sync the 
contents, and then say it's all yours and represent it as such, nor add your 
own files to it). Otherwise - no more mirror for you ;)

At least, that's my recollection. Of course, AEK is in charge of all that, I 
just implement what he wishes :)

Questions or comments about this should all be directed to Al via email... his 
baby.

J

RE: bitsavers rsync server down

[Jay West via cctalk]

Gene wrote
-
One of these days you should post a list. :)
-
Ha! I Have, several times. I'm still wrapping up the datacenter migration.
At this point, its down to loose ends and freebie/myhobbystuff :)

The classiccmp server will be reloaded, a few much needed disks added... and
there's been a host (pun intended) of classic computing websites asking to
be hosted here and I've been putting them off till the above is completed.

Still working on those roundtuits, but it'll happen.

J

RE: bitsavers rsync server down

[Jay West via cctalk]

Ben wrote...

Just how big is the server?

Bitsavers that is publicly visible is around 275gb but there's some other
bitsavers working areas.

But the classiccmp server... has significantly more than that, due to all
the classiccmp related websites and archives/repositories that are hosted
there.

J

RE: bitsavers rsync server down

[Jay West via cctalk]

Did you perhaps change your IP address? Bitsavers rsync access is only
allowed per specific IP addresses...

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay West
via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:19 AM
To: 'Christian Corti' <c...@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de>; 'General Discussion:
On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Subject: RE: bitsavers rsync server down

That's my fault I'm still mopping up pieces from our datacenter move.

I'll try to get it resolved today.

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Christian
Corti via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 3:06 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: bitsavers rsync server down

Hi,

for those who wonder why our mirror at
  bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de
is outdated:
The reason is that the main rsync server is down/unavailable since March,
11. I've already contacted Al several days ago but haven't got any response
yet.

Christian

RE: bitsavers rsync server down

[Jay West via cctalk]

That's my fault I'm still mopping up pieces from our datacenter move.

I'll try to get it resolved today.

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Christian
Corti via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 3:06 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: bitsavers rsync server down

Hi,

for those who wonder why our mirror at
  bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de
is outdated:
The reason is that the main rsync server is down/unavailable since March,
11. I've already contacted Al several days ago but haven't got any response
yet.

Christian

RE: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

[Jay West via cctalk]

I would suggest that the premise (“C is so evil”) of your question (“why is {C} 
so successful?”) is incorrect.

 

No C is not evil, yes it is wildly successful.

 

Now the ++ in C++…. THAT is evil ;)

 

J

From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Charles 
Dickman via cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 7:38 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

 

 

RE: Any faithful VT100 Emulators?

[Jay West via cctalk]

Ethan wrote...

-

I'm following this thread because I too want a decent terminal emulator that
works with a variety of vintage text editors (that seems to be the torture
test) but for Linux or OS X.  Putty seems to be a repeat suggestion but it's
not for my platforms.

--

The most faithful vt100 emulation I've seen myself (not that I've done a big
study or anything) is SecureCRT from Van Dyke. It is a commercial product,
but about the only commercial product I've decided is worth the cost. I use
it daily and pay for upgrades and new releases gladly.

 

I do know that they came out with a version for OSX a while back. I expect
that to be robust. There is a version for Linux, never tried that as I'm a
FreeBSD zealot. There is also an iphone/ipad app by secureCRT and I've used
it in a few pinches but never on a classic system. And the company has
actually heard of VMS ;)

 

Their support is off-the-charts. On more than one occasion I've emailed them
asking for this or that... and several times I've seen it implemented on the
next release. They actively listen and implement.

 

If the linux and OSX and app versions are as good as the windows one... it's
worth a shot.

 

J

 

RE: I hate the new mail system

[Jay West via cctalk]

It was written
==
This header change thing is A BIG MESS! Make it like before, PLEASE!
It's just annoying, unusable (On my iOS devices, I can't find the original
sender at all!) and completely unneeded.

I'm losing fun using the list.
--

We've been in the process of moving our datacenter. As a result, changing
headers on this list has been the last thing on my mind priority-wise.

Add to that, we still have a few machines to move that will require
hand-reimplementation instead of just migration, and those have to be
finished first (paying customers).

Add to that... when THIS server gets reimplemented, the lists will be
recombined and the above patch should not be necessary.

So - given available time and priorities, I'd appreciate it if you could
suffer the lack of fun for a few weeks or a couple months, whatever it takes
me to (a) find the time and (b) to get it done. After that, I'm sure the fun
will return. Thanks for patience and understanding!

Best,

J

server up

[Jay West via cctalk]

The server seems to be alive at the new IP, mail flowing, websites up..

 

Still checking a few things, but appears complete.

 

J

server downtime

[Jay West via cctalk]

The classiccmp host will be going down tonight around 8pm. It should be back
up by 2am tomorrow.

 

This will affect the mailing list as well as any and all websites hosted by
the classiccmp server.

 

While we provide DNS for most of those websites, there are a few that still
maintain their own DNS elsewhere. For those folks, the new IP address of the
server will be 71.91.242.75

 

Best,

 

J

 

HP 9815A

[Jay West via cctalk]

Local electronics place has a HP 9815A for sale, the appearance from a 10
foot distance was "fair" or slightly less than fair condition. If someone is
serious about it, let me know and I'll inquire further.

 

J