Re: IBM Xstation 140?

[Chris Hanson via cctalk]

On Nov 2, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Electronics Plus  wrote:
> 
> Memory
> User-installable RAM boards provide the 425 with RAM in increments of 8, 16

> From 
> http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/hp/9000_400/A2100-90600_HP_9000_425_Owners_Guide_Aug91.pdf
>  
> 

Yes, I’ve read that, thanks. What I need is the actual *pinout* for the memory 
boards which is the sort of thing that’d be in a hardware reference manual 
rather than a user’s manual. (Along with pinouts for the DIO-II expansion slot.)

> If this is standard ECC memory, then I have plenty of it on hand. But HP was 
> known to use some really funky looking memory.

They use standard *memory* on non-standard *boards*.

The ICs are standard, for example in 
> a 4MB board uses nine 80ns 
514256 ICs and a trio of 74AS1004 hex inverter-drivers. However, the boards are 
not SIMMs, they use a 72-pin header.

My theory is that given they used the same ICs as everyone else, it should be 
easy to design and fabricate a SIMM adapter from the board pinout.

This RAM also appears to have been used in the HP-9000/375 and /380, in case 
someone has a hardware reference manual for those.

  -- Chris

RE: IBM Xstation 140?

[Electronics Plus via cctalk]

-Original Message-


I sure wish someone had a an HP-Apollo 9000/400 series hardware reference with 
RAM board pinouts, whether scanned or in print…

  -- Chris
Memory
User-installable RAM boards provide the 425 with RAM in increments of 8, 16
and 32 Mbyte blocks. They have an Error Checking and Correcting (ECC)
ability. Standard RAM is 8 Mbytes, expandable to 64 Mbytes for the 425t and
16 Mbytes expandable to 128 Mbytes for the 425s.
RAM boards are used in pairs. There are eight sockets on the system board for
four board pairs. RAM Upgrades are available as follows:
two 4 Mbyte boards that add an 8 Mbyte block of memory.
two 8 Mbyte boards that add a 16 Mbyte block of memory.
two 16 Mbyte RAM boards that add a 32 Mbyte block of memory (for 425s
only)
For example, to obtain the maximum 64 Mbyte of RAM for the 425t would
require four 16 Mbyte RAM Board pairs ( i.e. eight 8 Mbyte boards) inserted
in the eight sockets.

>From 
>http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/hp/9000_400/A2100-90600_HP_9000_425_Owners_Guide_Aug91.pdf

If this is standard ECC memory, then I have plenty of it on hand. But HP was 
known to use some really funky looking memory.

Cindy


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Re: IBM Xstation 140?

[Chris Hanson via cctalk]

On Nov 2, 2018, at 7:49 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> I bought a VME10 keyboard from them about 6 months ago
> then the rest finally showed up a week or two ago, so now I have a complete 
> one
> with color monitor.

Glad to see you got that, I was kind of bothered by the listing of the VME/10 
not having a keyboard.

Unfortunately the University pulled RAM from some systems for some reason, so 
the HP-Apollo 9000/425t that I got from them has no memory and it’s difficult 
to actually come by some.

I sure wish someone had a an HP-Apollo 9000/400 series hardware reference with 
RAM board pinouts, whether scanned or in print…

  -- Chris

Re: IBM Xstation 140?

[Stefan Skoglund via cctalk]

tor 2018-11-01 klockan 14:36 -0700 skrev Al Kossow via cctalk:
> Wondering if this is an IBM Xstation 140 with token ring
> 
> Wonder what processor it uses..
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/273538296972
> 

The seller has a seagate 4038 (ST-412) disk for sale.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-SEAGATE-TECHNOLOGY-ST-4038-HARD-DISK-DRIVE-HDD/283230331379

I wonder... shape (have a DEC PRO and something which uses an ACB 4000
ie SCSI-MFM...)

Re: IBM Xstation 140?

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 11/2/18 4:56 AM, emanuel stiebler wrote:

> So is this thing on ebay the 140? Probably would bite, still have the
> Eval Board for the R33020 and manuals somewhere ...
> 

yes.

I just bought an NCD19 from them, now I'm trying to find NCDware old enough
to support it (it has a 68020). They bought a bunch of stuff from Univ of AZ
and have been selling it off for a few months. Unfortunately, they split things
up but they will deal. I bought a VME10 keyboard from them about 6 months ago
then the rest finally showed up a week or two ago, so now I have a complete one
with color monitor.

They are the people I bought the Intel Paragon software from..

Re: IBM Xstation 140?

[emanuel stiebler via cctalk]

On 2018-11-01 18:29, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:

> On 11/1/18 3:13 PM, Kevin Bowling via cctalk wrote:
> 
>>140 CPU Planar 33 MHz LSI R33020  193-273
> 
> http://ps-2.kev009.com/ohlandl/RS6000/193-273.txt

So is this thing on ebay the 140? Probably would bite, still have the
Eval Board for the R33020 and manuals somewhere ...

Re: IBM Xstation 140?

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 11/1/18 3:13 PM, Kevin Bowling via cctalk wrote:

>140 CPU Planar 33 MHz LSI R33020  193-273

http://ps-2.kev009.com/ohlandl/RS6000/193-273.txt

Re: IBM Xstation 140?

[Kevin Bowling via cctalk]

7010 Xstation
   120 CPU Planar 8 MHz 80186 190-027-1
   130 CPU Planar 12.5 MHz 80C186  190-027
   140 CPU Planar 33 MHz LSI R33020  193-273
   150 CPU Planar Motorola 88110 193-018
   160 CPU Planar 66 MHz PowerPC 603 195-027
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:51 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> If I recall correctly the Xstation 120 (the first of them) used an 8086 
> (might have been an 80186).  The big issue was that you couldn’t do anything 
> with it because what was in ROM/FLASH was only smart enough to be able to 
> TFTP the rest of the microcode (not terribly useful if you don’t have the 
> image it wants to TFTP).
>
> I think the 140 fixed that (and is somewhat telling from all of the Intel 
> flash parts on the board).  But I don’t know what CPU it’s using.  The IBM 
> metal can is probably the graphics controller.
>
> TTFN - Guy
>
>
> > On Nov 1, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk  
> > wrote:
> >
> > Wondering if this is an IBM Xstation 140 with token ring
> >
> > Wonder what processor it uses..
> >
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/273538296972
> >
>

Re: IBM Xstation 140?

[William Donzelli via cctalk]

The 120 also used a 34010 to handle the graphics, I think? It has been
a long time...

--
Will
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 5:51 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> If I recall correctly the Xstation 120 (the first of them) used an 8086 
> (might have been an 80186).  The big issue was that you couldn’t do anything 
> with it because what was in ROM/FLASH was only smart enough to be able to 
> TFTP the rest of the microcode (not terribly useful if you don’t have the 
> image it wants to TFTP).
>
> I think the 140 fixed that (and is somewhat telling from all of the Intel 
> flash parts on the board).  But I don’t know what CPU it’s using.  The IBM 
> metal can is probably the graphics controller.
>
> TTFN - Guy
>
>
> > On Nov 1, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk  
> > wrote:
> >
> > Wondering if this is an IBM Xstation 140 with token ring
> >
> > Wonder what processor it uses..
> >
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/273538296972
> >
>

Re: IBM Xstation 140?

[Ed C. via cctalk]

RISC @ 33MHZ

On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 10:51 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> If I recall correctly the Xstation 120 (the first of them) used an 8086
> (might have been an 80186).  The big issue was that you couldn’t do
> anything with it because what was in ROM/FLASH was only smart enough to be
> able to TFTP the rest of the microcode (not terribly useful if you don’t
> have the image it wants to TFTP).
>
> I think the 140 fixed that (and is somewhat telling from all of the Intel
> flash parts on the board).  But I don’t know what CPU it’s using.  The IBM
> metal can is probably the graphics controller.
>
> TTFN - Guy
>
>
> > On Nov 1, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk 
> wrote:
> >
> > Wondering if this is an IBM Xstation 140 with token ring
> >
> > Wonder what processor it uses..
> >
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/273538296972
> >
>
>

Re: IBM Xstation 140?

[Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk]

If I recall correctly the Xstation 120 (the first of them) used an 8086 (might 
have been an 80186).  The big issue was that you couldn’t do anything with it 
because what was in ROM/FLASH was only smart enough to be able to TFTP the rest 
of the microcode (not terribly useful if you don’t have the image it wants to 
TFTP).

I think the 140 fixed that (and is somewhat telling from all of the Intel flash 
parts on the board).  But I don’t know what CPU it’s using.  The IBM metal can 
is probably the graphics controller.

TTFN - Guy


> On Nov 1, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Wondering if this is an IBM Xstation 140 with token ring
> 
> Wonder what processor it uses..
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/273538296972
> 

IBM Xstation 140?

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

Wondering if this is an IBM Xstation 140 with token ring

Wonder what processor it uses..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/273538296972