Re: S/36 in Milwalkee

[Jason T]

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Mister PDP  wrote:
> This popped up on the VCF yesterday and I have been talking with the guy
> and am going to go pick it up on Sunday, I will be picking up the computer
> and the software and hopefully all the manuals too. I am going to archive

I had written to owner saying I could pick up the manuals but not the
machine.  Good to see someone is getting it all!

-j

Re: S/36 in Milwalkee (also ebay has one)

[jim stephens]

On 11/5/2016 3:40 PM, Paul Berger wrote:

On 2016-11-05 4:07 PM, Al Kossow wrote:


On 11/5/16 11:24 AM, Jason T wrote:

I'm guessing
it's far more due to IBM having never released anything close to
technical documentation on the architecture

S/32 - 36 ar

probably more expensive, there is a 36 on epay for 350 bucks (1 bid)

1985-IBM-5364-S-36-PC-2-HDD-Floppy-Drive-Interface-Cable-PC-Driver-Card-/

http://www.ebay.com/itm/182337093160

thanks,
Jim

Re: S/36 in Milwalkee

[Paul Berger]

On 2016-11-05 4:07 PM, Al Kossow wrote:


On 11/5/16 11:24 AM, Jason T wrote:

I'm guessing
it's far more due to IBM having never released anything close to
technical documentation on the architecture

S/32 - 36 are fairly well documented. It's just non-trivial to do the work
and would require someone to reverse-engineer with a machine next to them.

S34 would probably be easier though since it only has one processor and
didn't have quite as much LSI in it.

If you need some place to dump the resulting scans and disk images, I can
put them on bitsavers. I still have several boxes of S/36 documentation in
the backlog.


The architecture of both the S/34 and S/36 is very similar and both of 
teem include two processors the CSP and MSP.  The CSP handled most of 
the I/O operations as well as getting the system off the ground while 
the MSP processor executed the user programs.  Even the S/32 is very 
similar.  The S/32 was a single user machine with up to 64K of memory, a 
10MB disk and either a dot matrix or belt printer built in.  The S/34 
added more memory and multi user capability. S/36 again increased the 
maximum memory, had faster processors, a much improved user interface on 
the OS (SSP) and added one more instruction.  The MSP memory in the S/34 
and S/36  was divided into 64K segments and no program object could be 
larger than 64K.  The hardware itself is pretty unspectacular, the main 
reason for the popularity of S/36 was the availability of software and  
the ease of use of the system.  They where commonly found in small 
businesses that had no DP staff, at a  lot of my S/36 customers,  the 
person looking after the S/36 was the controller.  The user interface on 
the AS/400 was largely based on the S/36 SSP.


Paul.

Re: S/36 in Milwalkee

[Al Kossow]

oh, and FWIW the 'monitor' you need is a Twinax terminal.
They are a bit more comomon than coax ones and seem to be
less desirable.

On 11/5/16 12:07 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/5/16 11:24 AM, Jason T wrote:
>> I'm guessing
>> it's far more due to IBM having never released anything close to
>> technical documentation on the architecture
> 
> S/32 - 36 are fairly well documented. It's just non-trivial to do the work
> and would require someone to reverse-engineer with a machine next to them.
> 
> S34 would probably be easier though since it only has one processor and
> didn't have quite as much LSI in it.
> 
> If you need some place to dump the resulting scans and disk images, I can
> put them on bitsavers. I still have several boxes of S/36 documentation in
> the backlog.
> 
> 

Re: S/36 in Milwalkee

[Al Kossow]

On 11/5/16 11:24 AM, Jason T wrote:
> I'm guessing
> it's far more due to IBM having never released anything close to
> technical documentation on the architecture

S/32 - 36 are fairly well documented. It's just non-trivial to do the work
and would require someone to reverse-engineer with a machine next to them.

S34 would probably be easier though since it only has one processor and
didn't have quite as much LSI in it.

If you need some place to dump the resulting scans and disk images, I can
put them on bitsavers. I still have several boxes of S/36 documentation in
the backlog.

Re: S/36 in Milwalkee

[Noel Chiappa]

> I don't usually post here so if I am somehow posting wrong please tell
> me.

Nope, you're good.

Good luck with the machine! And thanks ever so much for posting all the
info that goes with it.

Noel

Re: S/36 in Milwalkee

[Mister PDP]

Hello,

I don't usually post here so if I am somehow posting wrong please tell me.

This popped up on the VCF yesterday and I have been talking with the guy
and am going to go pick it up on Sunday, I will be picking up the computer
and the software and hopefully all the manuals too. I am going to archive
all the software and manuals that do not already exist on the internet.

Just thought I would put that out there...

(VCF Thread Link:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?54749-Ibm-5360-free-pickup-only)

Thank you

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Jason T  wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Ken Seefried  wrote:
> > Noticed this on Nekochan:
> > http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=4=16731198
>
> This is making me a bit sad.  Not over the fact I can't take on
> another computer the size of a small car - those days are likely
> behind me and for good reason - but that this is in that class of
> machines that will likely never be emulated in software.  I'm guessing
> it's far more due to IBM having never released anything close to
> technical documentation on the architecture than pure lack of
> interest, given the obscure machines that have been emulated.
>
> It's not far from me.  Maybe I can rescue the docs...
>

Re: S/36 in Milwalkee

[Jason T]

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Ken Seefried  wrote:
> Noticed this on Nekochan:
> http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=4=16731198

This is making me a bit sad.  Not over the fact I can't take on
another computer the size of a small car - those days are likely
behind me and for good reason - but that this is in that class of
machines that will likely never be emulated in software.  I'm guessing
it's far more due to IBM having never released anything close to
technical documentation on the architecture than pure lack of
interest, given the obscure machines that have been emulated.

It's not far from me.  Maybe I can rescue the docs...

S/36 in Milwalkee

[Ken Seefried]

Noticed this on Nekochan:
http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=4=16731198

No affiliation

-

Hi,

I have an IBM 5360 with all of the manuals, cables, etc. The monitor
is missing. There are boxes and boxes of manuals, modems, cables, etc.
This is free for someone who wants to pickup in Milwaukee. This
posting will be active for a week. If I do not have any takers, it is
going to recycling.

Thanks!