Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
> On Aug 25, 2019, at 2:05 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > >> From: Jon Elson > >> I have NEVER had even the SLIGHTEST damage with FedEx, even their >> ground service. This could just be statistical chance > > This. I once had FexEx Ground destroy the entire packaging of a shipment (one > of those rigid plastic tubs, sealed closed with those tension tapes) so badly > they had to build entirely new packaging for it. > > Assume _all_ shippers will throw your item across the room, and pack > accordingly - because they will. > I have found that if the item is packed *appropriately* in a crate and then put on a pallet it receives much gentler handling than something that’s been stuffed in a cardboard box. It all comes down to what is the item worth to *you*. Yes, doing what I proposed will cost more in shipping but what is that cost relative to the value (to you) of the item and the difficulty in replacing it? TTFN - Guy
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
> From: Jon Elson > I have NEVER had even the SLIGHTEST damage with FedEx, even their > ground service. This could just be statistical chance This. I once had FexEx Ground destroy the entire packaging of a shipment (one of those rigid plastic tubs, sealed closed with those tension tapes) so badly they had to build entirely new packaging for it. Assume _all_ shippers will throw your item across the room, and pack accordingly - because they will. Noel
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
On 08/24/2019 04:06 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: What use is insurance? If the unique machine that you have been searching for for so long it destroyed in shipping, the insurance company pays you less than it's value It seems shippers have some label or something that identifies high-value packages, and if one gets damaged, some manager comes down hard on the person who did it. So, packages that are insured for higher values are USUALLY treated with greater care. Accidents can happen, of course. There also seems to be a BIG difference in the usual level of care provided by different shippers. I have had several things smashed by UPS, some of them REALLY took a lot of effort to smash. I have NEVER had even the SLIGHTEST damage with FedEx, even their ground service. This could just be statistical chance, but I don't think so. I also had several international shipments with the US Post Office just totally disappear if I forgot to insure them. Never had one damaged or lost if insured. Jon
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
John Herron wrote: > > With all of the stories. I don't know if it exists internationally but I > think the moral is get insurance with shipper. > What use is insurance? If the unique machine that you have been searching for for so long it destroyed in shipping, the insurance company pays you less than it's value (they're not going to pay you greater than it's value) in money but does nothing to help you locate another example of the same machine and get it shipped safely to you. Maybe a better moral would be "If you want to make sure it arrives safely, go and get it yourself". Regards, Peter Coghlan. > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 12:31 PM Steven Stengel via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > Howdo I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who > > has good rates? > > Thanks- > > Steve > > > > > > >
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
On 8/24/2019 1:25 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: With all of the stories. I don't know if it exists internationally but I think the moral is get insurance with shipper. I thought it was DRIVE your own FORKLIFT. So how did the orginal companies like DEC ship thier products? Ben.
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
With all of the stories. I don't know if it exists internationally but I think the moral is get insurance with shipper. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 12:31 PM Steven Stengel via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who > has good rates? > Thanks- > Steve > > >
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
On 8/22/2019 6:23 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: The machine was later returned to the US and was used as a "test mule". At Microdata, we were touring the country on a mission to fix some bugs that customers were having, and happened to be in Dallas when a problem with one of a customers drives was serious enough we had to pull and replace it. The drive was shipped counter to counter same day on Delta. We went to the Delta Freight @ the airport to pick it up, and the guy on duty went back to get it after some delay. I think we were the first ones to get there for that flight, and he was absent for a while, but some yelling got his attention. Anyway we go to the dock which is at the front of this 30' long bay which went out the other end, and waited. He was told it was heavy, crated, and needed a hand truck. Even offered ours. After about 5 min we here this crash, then another, at about a 5 or so second rep. After about 5, the end of a crate about the right size to be ours appeared. It was tilted up, and then fell out upside down as the guy flipped it over again. He had gotten in about 10 of those flips before we used some salty language and told him to stop and we went with our handtruck. Made sure he saw the Fragile stickers all over and ignore them. Reported him to the 800# and called in to several places the next day. Anyway it worked fine. Also on the thread topic, PM'ed Steve. I quoted a shipment to Latvia 2 days ago, breathtakingly expensive. It was the same size as his parcel. thanks JIm
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
On 08/22/2019 02:09 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Many ages ago, I worked for a company that made 12-bit computers for radiation treatment planning. they palleted a computer and shipped it to Holland for a trade show. At the arrival airport, somebody pushed it out of the cargo bay with no conveyor belt below, and it fell something like 30 feet to the ground. the pallet was reduced to splinters, and the case of the machine was seriously MASHED. The techs who were going to set it up didn't think it had any chance of working, but they pulled all the boards, beat on the case some to straighten it, put the boards back in, and it fired right up! The machine was later returned to the US and was used as a "test mule". Jon
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
I had an interesting experience with UPS - they shipped me a tape library from the U.S. to Canada... when it arrived, the inside was completely trashed. As in, no recognizable components bigger than a credit card. UPS insisted that the condition of the tape library was as they received it for shipment. Until I sent them a photograph of the puncture mark made by THEIR forklift, right through THEIR shipping documents... From: "cctalk" To: "cctalk" Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 12:21:39 PM Subject: Re: Shipping from Europe to USA > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > > > >> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Peter Corlett via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:30:10PM +, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote: >> ... >>> Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to >>> drop >>> the package. Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel >>> corner* had a dent! >> >> Hence that old joke: "If being air dropped out of a C-130 into a minefield >> constitutes 'moderately rough handling', what constitutes 'very rough >> handling'?" "Being shipped UPS". > > I'm reminded of a legendary story from a long time ago, of a DEC disk being > air-shipped to a customer. RP03? Not sure, but something of that size class. > > The story was that the shipping company hadn't strapped it down properly, so > when the plane applied takeoff power, the drive slid backwards in the cargo > hold. Fast enough to exit the hold through the airplane skin, landing on the > runway with a nice bounce. > > The drive was taken back to Maynard, where it was observed that the corner of > the frame was badly bent. The techs propped it up on a cinder block and > turned the drive on; it worked fine. > > Sure sounds like a fairy tale, but it's a fun one. Friend who owned a larger regional ISP back in the day bought a new Ascend MAX. It shipped UPS and arrived with a perfect boot print on the side of the box. To this day we still make jokes about UPS playing soccer with the package. (Semi-related side story; A few months after installation, the Max started dropping calls on one line card. Ascend refused to RMA it because it passed diagnostics. They went back and forth over for a week or so until one day their sysadmin had enough; He calmly removed the card from the chassis and, with an Ascend tech on speakerphone, smashed the thing to bits with a hammer. “Oh, it just failed. Won’t pass diagnostics anymore.” He got his RMA number. The replacement card worked without issue for the next several years.)
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 9:26 AM Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > > > KE11-A Field Maintenance Print Set > > > http://manx-docs.org/details.php/1,9358 > > > > Speaking of KE11-A's, does anyone know what's behind the bidding wars on > > recent eBay KE11-A component board listings, e.g.: > > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/372685033144 > > No idea. I have those boards in my box of KA11 boards and since they > arrived together, I expect I have the right backplane in my BA11-C, > but I am also surprised to see such interest in just the boards. > Perhaps someone has a broken KE11-A and doesn't want to/is unsure how > to do component-level repair. > Maybe someone had one shipped by UPS and only the backplane survived? Regards, Peter Coghlan > > -ethan >
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > > > >> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Peter Corlett via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:30:10PM +, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote: >> ... >>> Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to >>> drop >>> the package. Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel >>> corner* had a dent! >> >> Hence that old joke: "If being air dropped out of a C-130 into a minefield >> constitutes 'moderately rough handling', what constitutes 'very rough >> handling'?" "Being shipped UPS". > > I'm reminded of a legendary story from a long time ago, of a DEC disk being > air-shipped to a customer. RP03? Not sure, but something of that size class. > > The story was that the shipping company hadn't strapped it down properly, so > when the plane applied takeoff power, the drive slid backwards in the cargo > hold. Fast enough to exit the hold through the airplane skin, landing on the > runway with a nice bounce. > > The drive was taken back to Maynard, where it was observed that the corner of > the frame was badly bent. The techs propped it up on a cinder block and > turned the drive on; it worked fine. > > Sure sounds like a fairy tale, but it's a fun one. Friend who owned a larger regional ISP back in the day bought a new Ascend MAX. It shipped UPS and arrived with a perfect boot print on the side of the box. To this day we still make jokes about UPS playing soccer with the package. (Semi-related side story; A few months after installation, the Max started dropping calls on one line card. Ascend refused to RMA it because it passed diagnostics. They went back and forth over for a week or so until one day their sysadmin had enough; He calmly removed the card from the chassis and, with an Ascend tech on speakerphone, smashed the thing to bits with a hammer. “Oh, it just failed. Won’t pass diagnostics anymore.” He got his RMA number. The replacement card worked without issue for the next several years.)
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Peter Corlett via cctalk > wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:30:10PM +, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote: > ... >> Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to drop >> the package. Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel >> corner* had a dent! > > Hence that old joke: "If being air dropped out of a C-130 into a minefield > constitutes 'moderately rough handling', what constitutes 'very rough > handling'?" "Being shipped UPS". I'm reminded of a legendary story from a long time ago, of a DEC disk being air-shipped to a customer. RP03? Not sure, but something of that size class. The story was that the shipping company hadn't strapped it down properly, so when the plane applied takeoff power, the drive slid backwards in the cargo hold. Fast enough to exit the hold through the airplane skin, landing on the runway with a nice bounce. The drive was taken back to Maynard, where it was observed that the corner of the frame was badly bent. The techs propped it up on a cinder block and turned the drive on; it worked fine. Sure sounds like a fairy tale, but it's a fun one. paul
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:30:10PM +, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote: > A few weeks ago I shipped approx 39 kilos from The Netherlands to USA (HP > A990). At least in Holland, most shippers do not accept such heavy stuff (max > 30 kilos). Yeah, well, "dat kan niet" *is* the Dutch motto. I'm surprised it's not on the passport. > Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to drop > the package. Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel > corner* had a dent! Hence that old joke: "If being air dropped out of a C-130 into a minefield constitutes 'moderately rough handling', what constitutes 'very rough handling'?" "Being shipped UPS".
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
The automated package sorting I'm told includes dropping packages from one conveyor belt to another, and stuff can fall up to 6ft (though more likely when something gets clogged/jammed up and packages fall off of the conveyor system). 39kg/90lbs is heavy enough that it probably should be palletized/crated and go freight. I'd probably pick a postal service, or DHL as my first pick for shipping ~50lb internationally. Pat On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:30 PM Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote: > > A few weeks ago I shipped approx 39 kilos from The Netherlands to USA (HP > A990). > At least in Holland, most shippers do not accept such heavy stuff (max 30 > kilos). > > Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to drop > the package. > > Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel corner* had a dent! > > I thought I packed it well (enough), but my advice is: using UPS you cannot > get it packed well enough ☹ > > > > > > > Van: cctalk namens Steven Stengel via cctalk > > Verzonden: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:31:46 PM > Aan: Cc > Onderwerp: Shipping from Europe to USA > > How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who has > good rates? > Thanks- > Steve > >
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:31:46AM -0700, Steven Stengel via cctalk wrote: > How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who has > good rates? "Europe" contains so many diverse states and cultures that you're going to have to be a bit more precise about where in the 4 million square miles of Europe it is. A country would be a good start, but a province or city would be better if it's a large country. Likewise, it can matter which US state it's being delivered to. You will also need to be more precise about the weight, since "50 pound" sounds like an estimate. In particular, 50lb is 22.7kg, and a common price band is "under 20kg", so if you can shave 2.7kg off it, you'll save money. To give a guideline price from the local incumbent, PostNL will charge €105.30 to shift a 20kg "pakket" (no larger than 1m×50cm×50cm) from the Netherlands to the USA. If it's 20.001kg, they'll tell you to get knotted with your overweight package as they'll only do up to 30kg within Europe. "About a hundred" is also in line with quotes I had for shipping ~20kg from London to Houston a few years back. It's possible that you can find somebody who is prepared to forfeit their hold space on an international flight and take their personal stuff in hand luggage. Baggage handlers can be clumsy, thieving little buggers, but they're still nowhere near as awful as couriers.
RE: Shipping from Europe to USA
A few weeks ago I shipped approx 39 kilos from The Netherlands to USA (HP A990). At least in Holland, most shippers do not accept such heavy stuff (max 30 kilos). Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to drop the package. Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel corner* had a dent! I thought I packed it well (enough), but my advice is: using UPS you cannot get it packed well enough ☹ Van: cctalk namens Steven Stengel via cctalk Verzonden: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:31:46 PM Aan: Cc Onderwerp: Shipping from Europe to USA How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who has good rates? Thanks- Steve
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
On 8/22/2019 11:31 AM, Steven Stengel via cctalk wrote: How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who has good rates? Thanks- Steve Well good packing would double the weight, and how fast do you/they need it? Ben.
Shipping from Europe to USA
How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who has good rates? Thanks- Steve
