Re: [CentOS] Happy 15th Birthday, CentOS!

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

Happy Birthday to the best"est" OS ever!..here's to 15 more...and 
then some!!!




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On 4/15/19 12:19 PM, Albert McCann wrote:

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Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 7:15 AM
To: CentOS mailing list 
Subject: [CentOS] Happy 15th Birthday, CentOS!

CentOS is 15 years old today!

Hear the story from some of our community members at
https://blog.centos.org/2019/04/centos15-2/

Happy birthday and well done!

Al McCann
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Re: [CentOS] C 7 and gssproxy

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 1/25/19 10:27 AM, mark wrote:

Ok, folks,

I brought this up some time ago, and got no replies. We have a good
number of systems - > 100 - and we use sssd. On the C 7 boxen, which is
most of them, gssproxy *frequently* (like once a day or so) dies with a
SEGV. It restarts fine. Dies again eventually.

ARE other people seeing this? If so, I guess we get to file a bug
report with upstream. Speaking as an old C programmer, dying with a
SEGV? Really? In production?

mark



I myself have never heard or seen of this. I wonder if it's something to 
do with the ssd's themselves?...maybe you got a bad batch? or maybe 
there's a configuration setting that's not tweaked just right? Because 
if this happens continually? then its a recurring issues which means its 
something that the OS can't correct on it's own. Maybe pull those drives 
one at a time (assuming you have spare drives to "cover" as stand-in 
replacements until you suss it out? Just my two cents on the matter.




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Re: [CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024

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On 11/2/18 4:02 PM, Frank Cox wrote:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/

That's still several years in the future, of course.

I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure
many of you fine folks do the same.

But it's interesting nonetheless.


I dunno, I've TRIED to like KDEreally I have, but its just so 
kludgy, and menu-obsessed, that I can never really get it to where I'm 
comfortable with it. I've been using Gnome since the early days of 
Fedora and have watched it progress, I guess its just a better fit for 
me. And the older version that comes with CEntOS is also just fine. So 
this isn't heartbreaking for me as much as to those who have use KDE and 
have grown to love it over the years.


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Re: [CentOS] IBM buying RedHat

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 10/30/18 3:27 AM, rai...@ultra-secure.de wrote:

Am 2018-10-30 08:06, schrieb Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.:



Yeah.I guess that's one way to look at it.

My biggest worry? Is I've placed so much time and effort "getting to
know" Fedora and its intricacies, idiosyncrasies, its ins and
outs...dealt with ridicule on this very same list when I first
started, have "cut my teeth" on learning VERY hard lessons about
certain syntax in the Terminal and what NOT to type...only to have
that all "taken" away from me at the whim of IBM. It just seems
unfair. I'm hoping like H3LL that the developers @ Fedora are
seriously thinking about forking "Just In Case"!? I mean they could
still use the .RPM extensions, and possibly even still pull their code
from RHEL, but at least they would be autonomous and wouldn't have to
rely on IBM's good will in order to keep on churning out whatto
me...is the best Linux distro on the planet! As I write thisI'm
eyeballing the spare ThinkPad T-410 that I've neglected since I have
Fedora running on a Dell XPS, and I'm thinking its time to get "back
to my roots" and to find a distro I can put on that device and run
without concernI've heard some decent things about this "Pop-OS"
which comes with System76's hardware. Maybe I'll give that a
spin..then like I had said before...there's always Debian plain
vanilla...with maybe MATE or Cinnamon?.or else its going to have
to be where I buckle down and finally learn all there is to know about
LFS and Arch Linux and then move on to one of those...(God!.at
47!?its like how can I POSSIBLY start over again!?...) and THIS is
the kind of turmoil that ensues when a corporation buys a fully
functioning open course company!



I think you seriously underestimate the amount of influence and sheer 
man-power RedHat brings to Linux - and IBM, too.


https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/2017/10/2017-linux-kernel-report-highlights-developers-roles-accelerating-pace-change/ 



There's a reason RHEL is an enterprise-distribution - and Debian 
et.al. aren't (and never will, outside their niches).


RedHat writes ton of code that is needed for Linux to be truly 
"Enterprise" and that exists nowhere else.
The above statistics is only the kernel - but Enterprise Linux is so 
much more than a kernel.
That code isn't going to write itself, nor is somebody else going to 
pick up unless someone will pay the bill.
Maybe somebody can fork all the code and maintain it for a while - but 
to stay relevant, there must be further development, a roadmap ...


Sure, there's Google and a couple of other companies - but they really 
only write for themselves and as much as people try cargo-culting 
them, most companies aren't Google and their use-case hardly matches 
anyone else's.


I still remember when SAP announced that their engineers had ported 
their ERP to Linux - a sparetime-project at the beginning - and they 
were making it a tier 1 platform.

That was over 20 years ago.

Linux has come a long way.



True. It has, but still as another poster stated?

"/_But it is also entirely possible that CEntOS 8 will be the last one 
to come out. Before a corporate agenda will "merge" it with their 
general philosophy. _//_

_//__//_
_//_To me it looks pathetic that a lively profitable entity with an 
entirely different corporate psychology is consumed by big 
conglomerates. What for? _//_

_//__//_
_//_By the way I am 60 and been following Linux/Linus since Kernel 0.99. 
Some time before RedHat appeared strong on the scene."_//_

_//__//_
_//_Andreas - 10.2018 _/

It might not be a "PROBABLE" scenario...but its is a POSSIBLE one! What 
would that entail? Just because Red Hat is a strong contributor to the 
code nowif "Big Daddy" says to pull the plugwho's to refuse 
them?...they OWN Red Hat now! And this was my concern, at least as its 
own entity, RHEL had the luxury of whom to do business with and whom to 
reject / turn down. Now? They will be "goaded"? into playing with 
whomever the headmaster SAYS they're to play with! I dunnomaybe I'm 
thinking about it too much but it just doesn't bode well when a company 
gets bought out with nary a resistance. I guess only time will tell.




EGO Ii








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Re: [CentOS] IBM buying RedHat

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 10/30/18 3:20 AM, Rob Kampen wrote:

On 30/10/18 20:06, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:


On 10/30/18 2:46 AM, Simon Matter wrote:

On 10/29/18 1:55 AM, Simon Matter wrote:
To me it seems like, if they are smart, they will try to push IBM 
POWER
and RedHat Linux together to establish real competition in the 
hardware
market again (and of course don't forget to keep Fedora/CentOS 
alive)!

Er, RHEL has been running on Power for a very long time. The fastest
supercomputer in the world is Power9 + RHEL.
What I meant is that POWER could become a competitor for Intel/AMD 
based
servers. We're now running AMD EPYC servers with 64Cores/128Threads 
and we

didn't find any POWER system which could compete in this area.

Also, looking at TOP500 list there are not so many POWER systems 
anymore.

IBM could change this now.

Regards,
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Yeah.I guess that's one way to look at it.

My biggest worry? Is I've placed so much time and effort "getting to 
know" Fedora and its intricacies, idiosyncrasies, its ins and 
outs...dealt with ridicule on this very same list when I first 
started, have "cut my teeth" on learning VERY hard lessons about 
certain syntax in the Terminal and what NOT to type...only to 
have that all "taken" away from me at the whim of IBM. It just seems 
unfair. I'm hoping like H3LL that the developers @ Fedora are 
seriously thinking about forking "Just In Case"!? I mean they could 
still use the .RPM extensions, and possibly even still pull their 
code from RHEL, but at least they would be autonomous and wouldn't 
have to rely on IBM's good will in order to keep on churning out 
whatto me...is the best Linux distro on the planet! As I write 
thisI'm eyeballing the spare ThinkPad T-410 that I've neglected 
since I have Fedora running on a Dell XPS, and I'm thinking its time 
to get "back to my roots" and to find a distro I can put on that 
device and run without concernI've heard some decent things about 
this "Pop-OS" which comes with System76's hardware. Maybe I'll give 
that a spin..then like I had said before...there's always Debian 
plain vanilla...with maybe MATE or Cinnamon?.or else its going to 
have to be where I buckle down and finally learn all there is to know 
about LFS and Arch Linux and then move on to one of 
those...(God!.at 47!?its like how can I POSSIBLY start over 
again!?...) and THIS is the kind of turmoil that ensues when a 
corporation buys a fully functioning open course company!


wow, I am just 62 and looking forward to the next round of CentOS - 
version 8 coming up? - must be due soon 

Love learning new stuff, it never gets old (pun intended).
sorry for the noise, but couldn't resist, must be the age 




Hahahaah!.good one! Now THAT made me smile!.thanks for the 
laugh! Gotta remember to not always be the Doom & Gloom bearer! :o)! 
Guess I'll just keep on truckin' with F29...and hope all goes well.




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Re: [CentOS] IBM buying RedHat

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 10/30/18 2:46 AM, Simon Matter wrote:

On 10/29/18 1:55 AM, Simon Matter wrote:

To me it seems like, if they are smart, they will try to push IBM POWER
and RedHat Linux together to establish real competition in the hardware
market again (and of course don't forget to keep Fedora/CentOS alive)!

Er, RHEL has been running on Power for a very long time.  The fastest
supercomputer in the world is Power9 + RHEL.

What I meant is that POWER could become a competitor for Intel/AMD based
servers. We're now running AMD EPYC servers with 64Cores/128Threads and we
didn't find any POWER system which could compete in this area.

Also, looking at TOP500 list there are not so many POWER systems anymore.
IBM could change this now.

Regards,
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Yeah.I guess that's one way to look at it.

My biggest worry? Is I've placed so much time and effort "getting to 
know" Fedora and its intricacies, idiosyncrasies, its ins and 
outs...dealt with ridicule on this very same list when I first started, 
have "cut my teeth" on learning VERY hard lessons about certain syntax 
in the Terminal and what NOT to type...only to have that all "taken" 
away from me at the whim of IBM. It just seems unfair. I'm hoping like 
H3LL that the developers @ Fedora are seriously thinking about forking 
"Just In Case"!? I mean they could still use the .RPM extensions, and 
possibly even still pull their code from RHEL, but at least they would 
be autonomous and wouldn't have to rely on IBM's good will in order to 
keep on churning out whatto me...is the best Linux distro on the 
planet! As I write thisI'm eyeballing the spare ThinkPad T-410 that 
I've neglected since I have Fedora running on a Dell XPS, and I'm 
thinking its time to get "back to my roots" and to find a distro I can 
put on that device and run without concernI've heard some decent 
things about this "Pop-OS" which comes with System76's hardware. Maybe 
I'll give that a spin..then like I had said before...there's always 
Debian plain vanilla...with maybe MATE or Cinnamon?.or else its 
going to have to be where I buckle down and finally learn all there is 
to know about LFS and Arch Linux and then move on to one of 
those...(God!.at 47!?its like how can I POSSIBLY start over 
again!?...) and THIS is the kind of turmoil that ensues when a 
corporation buys a fully functioning open course company!




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Re: [CentOS] I can't find grub-install in CENTOS 7 1804

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 10/09/2018 02:01 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote:


On 10/8/18 7:25 PM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
How can I install it? It looks like this grub-install cannot be 
easily installed.



If you're on a BIOS systems, you're looking for "grub2-install". If 
you're on a UEFI system, then you don't need that tool.  The 
bootloader is on a mounted FAT filesystem, and managed with "efibootmgr".


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I was always under the impression this was handled during installation? 
(where you're prompted as to where to install the boot-grub-loader file?)



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS on new Thinkpads

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

I've had success on "older" model Lenovos.(T-410 / T-420 / T-430) but 
anything beyond those seems to have some issue or another. I was even able to 
swap the standard drive to an SD (250GB) on a T-430 and it's running g like a 
champ. A lot of the newer stuff is OK as long as you don't have any boutique 
drivers for video network or sound. YMMV. On Sep 29, 2016 9:18 PM, John R 
Pierce  wrote:
>
> On 9/29/2016 5:55 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: 
> > It seems optical drives are gone. Do I boot the iso from USB or what's 
> > the procedure now? 
>
> yup, put iso on USB, go to town. 
>
> > Generally seeking new laptop advice. If Lenovo is not good is anyone 
> > using Toshiba? 
>
> I have not much cared for Lenovo since IBM sold out to them.    I've 
> been generally quite happy with business grade ('Latitude') Dell 
> laptops...  my wife's got an XPS15 (running Windows) thats very nice, 
> gorgeous IPS 1920x1080 screen, very slim, nicely made, and her new work 
> laptop is a Latitude 5500-something thats also a really nice super-slim 
> thing, has monster battery life, and all the latest USB C and so forth, 
> but it too is running Windows 7 as thats what she needs for her 
> techwriter job (Adobe Framemaker on Linux is very poorly supported). 
>
>
> -- 
> john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz 
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Re: [CentOS] "upstream testing"??

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 02/07/2016 04:09 PM, Alexander Dalloz wrote:

Am 07.02.2016 um 22:00 schrieb Bear Tooth:

[Follow-ups set to gmane.linux.centos.general]

  My wife had been running CentOS 6.4 almost since
its inception; then her PC broke down.

 We got a PC from System76, and Ubuntu turned out
utterly unsuitable for us, as expected -- as bad
  for us as Gnome3. (I had previously bought a System76
net book (starling iirc), and immediately installed the
then current Fedora; all has been well with that.

 This time, alas!, I thought I should let her try Ubuntu;
so I tried running it myself for an houror two
to get it set up and tweaked.

 I couldn't even find any of the apps I wanted to tweak!
So I put in an install disk for CentOS, and rebooted.

 It never came near finishing the reboot. Up popped the
following:


 Detected CPU family 6 model 94.

 Warning: Intel CPU model -- this hardware has not
 undergone upstream testing. Please see

 http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ for more information.

 tsc: Fast TSC calibration failed.

 I have consulted that FAQ and more, and also System76's.
I've consulted and tried more other things than most of you
likely want to hear about. No joy.

 I've also tried rebooting without any install disk, with a
Fedora install disk, with various helps such as super grub disk,
and finally even with DBAN.

 The machine doesn't even find any of those. On any reboot, it
just goes to that CentOS error message, and stops.

I've also googled for '"upstream testing" hardware'

Any thoughts or experience??.





Did you try adding to the kernel line the parameter "clocksource=tsm" 
or "clocksource=acpi_pm"?


Alexander

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Just a thought, but maybe try doing the "Unetbootin/.ISO file build" on 
another pc / laptop and attempt booting from the USB instead of a CD? 
Just my thoughts on the matter. Its something I would do just to get the 
OS installed, then I'd worry about the upstream stuff 
afterwards...perhaps after the install and a tremendous system-wide 
upgrade, things might look a little better? PLUS she'd at least have the 
OS on her machineI'm just sayin' LoL!



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 08/01/2015 09:28 PM, Earl A Ramirez wrote:

On 2 August 2015 at 03:11, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com
wrote:


Greetings all, just wondering if anyone knows if / when there will be
training materials for RHEL 7 (CEntOS7) available? The last book I was able
to purchase was the study guide for the RHSCA / RHCE exam, (by Michal
Jang!) Does anyone know if / when the next versions will be out? I'd like
to go through it all with the latest and not last years model under my
belt!


Thanks!


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You can check this out [0]

[0]
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WFEIS0S?psc=1redirect=trueref_=oh_aui_d_detailpage_o02_


AWESOME!thanks SO much


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[CentOS] CentOS 7

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

Greetings all, just wondering if anyone knows if / when there will be 
training materials for RHEL 7 (CEntOS7) available? The last book I was 
able to purchase was the study guide for the RHSCA / RHCE exam, (by 
Michal Jang!) Does anyone know if / when the next versions will be out? 
I'd like to go through it all with the latest and not last years model 
under my belt!



Thanks!


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Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/11/2015 03:02 PM, Always Learning wrote:

On Sun, 2015-01-11 at 20:04 +0100, Sven Kieske wrote to Valeri Galtsev 


I can't take this serious as it seems you didn't research any of the
design goals of systemd and any of the shortcomings of old init systems.

Design goals ?  Compatibility with and/or minimum disruption to existing
systems ?

It was arrogant change with absolutely no regard for the existing
Centos/RHEL users. That *is* a strange design goal (or 'objective' in
English).  Some may consider that goal an inadvertent omission.

Obviously designed by non-Centos/RHEL users for their personal amusement
and pleasure and not as an acceptable enhancement that could be
implemented, perhaps in phases, within minimum disruption to existing
systems reliant on stable Centos/RHEL.  Yes, I know it takes brains to
properly consider all the implications of major changes. On this
occasion it seems the 'brains' were holidaying away from the influence
of due diligence and old fashioned commonsense.

Why should the 'brains' care ? They don't run systems that require
stability and reliability - that is why they lurk in Fedora where
disruption is a scheduled design goal.

Remember that English phrase?  Fools step-in where wise men fear to
tread.

Hopefully the next improvement will consider the adverse affect on the
non-Fedora users and on their well-tuned systems.


There's always the option of just NOT upgrading...and using what you 
currently have...(I'm just now going from CentOS 5 to CentOS 6!) I'm 
just saying.



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Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/11/2015 03:09 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:

On Sun, January 11, 2015 2:05 pm, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 01/11/2015 03:02 PM, Always Learning wrote:

On Sun, 2015-01-11 at 20:04 +0100, Sven Kieske wrote to Valeri Galtsev



I can't take this serious as it seems you didn't research any of the
design goals of systemd and any of the shortcomings of old init
systems.

Design goals ?  Compatibility with and/or minimum disruption to existing
systems ?

It was arrogant change with absolutely no regard for the existing
Centos/RHEL users. That *is* a strange design goal (or 'objective' in
English).  Some may consider that goal an inadvertent omission.

Obviously designed by non-Centos/RHEL users for their personal amusement
and pleasure and not as an acceptable enhancement that could be
implemented, perhaps in phases, within minimum disruption to existing
systems reliant on stable Centos/RHEL.  Yes, I know it takes brains to
properly consider all the implications of major changes. On this
occasion it seems the 'brains' were holidaying away from the influence
of due diligence and old fashioned commonsense.

Why should the 'brains' care ? They don't run systems that require
stability and reliability - that is why they lurk in Fedora where
disruption is a scheduled design goal.

Remember that English phrase?  Fools step-in where wise men fear to
tread.

Hopefully the next improvement will consider the adverse affect on the
non-Fedora users and on their well-tuned systems.



There's always the option of just NOT upgrading...and using what you
currently have...(I'm just now going from CentOS 5 to CentOS 6!) I'm
just saying.


Indeed. Or another system altogether (sihg). I'm just extending your
thought half a step farther ;-)

Valeri


Valeri Galtsev
Sr System Administrator
Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
University of Chicago
Phone: 773-702-4247

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And that's the beauty of it...the extending of thoughts to achieve a 
common goal.



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Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/11/2015 09:24 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:

On Sun, January 11, 2015 7:29 pm, Keith Keller wrote:

On 2015-01-12, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:

PS I guess I just mention it. I'm quite happy about CentOS (or RedHat if
I
look back). One day I realized how happy I am that I chose RedHat way
back, - that was when all Debian (and its clones like Ubuntu,...) admins
were fighting with the consequences of this:
http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 . If I had Debian machine I
would not only regenerate all key pairs, certs, etc. I would question
sanity of that box then, and will not be certain what confidential stuff
could have been stolen from it... I realized then that that level big
flop
never happened to RedHat. I couldn't even point to something that would
constitute big flop RedHat of then. One only criticizes something while
one cares about it ;-)

Heartbleed was pretty scary, no?  I'd consider that at least as bad as
the predictable number generator issue.


Well, heratbleed and shellshock were pretty much global: all systems (not
only Linuxes, not to say particular Linux distributions - my FreeBSD boxes
were affected too) using openssl or bash were affected... Same bad, yet
these were not flops of particular distribution, so whichever system you
decided to stick with , you had these. Not certain about you, but this
kind of makes difference for me. When I say I'm happy about [me choosing
way back] RedHat heartbleed, no heartbleed, no difference.

Valeri


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I guess everyone will have an opinion of systemd whether it be good or 
bad. The only resolution is to either use a distro that has systemd on 
it, use a distro that DOESN'T have systemd on it...or build your OWN 
distro and don't include systemd! I guess when it all boils down to it, 
there's STILL choice.even when it doesn't seem like there is!



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Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/11/2015 09:38 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:

On Sun, January 11, 2015 8:29 pm, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 01/11/2015 09:24 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:

On Sun, January 11, 2015 7:29 pm, Keith Keller wrote:

On 2015-01-12, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:

PS I guess I just mention it. I'm quite happy about CentOS (or RedHat
if
I
look back). One day I realized how happy I am that I chose RedHat way
back, - that was when all Debian (and its clones like Ubuntu,...)
admins
were fighting with the consequences of this:
http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 . If I had Debian machine
I
would not only regenerate all key pairs, certs, etc. I would question
sanity of that box then, and will not be certain what confidential
stuff
could have been stolen from it... I realized then that that level big
flop
never happened to RedHat. I couldn't even point to something that
would
constitute big flop RedHat of then. One only criticizes something
while
one cares about it ;-)

Heartbleed was pretty scary, no?  I'd consider that at least as bad as
the predictable number generator issue.


Well, heratbleed and shellshock were pretty much global: all systems
(not
only Linuxes, not to say particular Linux distributions - my FreeBSD
boxes
were affected too) using openssl or bash were affected... Same bad, yet
these were not flops of particular distribution, so whichever system you
decided to stick with , you had these. Not certain about you, but this
kind of makes difference for me. When I say I'm happy about [me choosing
way back] RedHat heartbleed, no heartbleed, no difference.

Valeri


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I guess everyone will have an opinion of systemd whether it be good or
bad. The only resolution is to either use a distro that has systemd on
it, use a distro that DOESN'T have systemd on it...or build your OWN
distro and don't include systemd! I guess when it all boils down to it,
there's STILL choice.even when it doesn't seem like there is!


I wouldn't quite agree with you about someone building one's own Linux
distro without systemd. You see, systemd _IS_ in the mainstrem Linux
kernel which you imminently have to use. Having distro with kernel to that
level not mainstream, so systemd related stuff is stripped off it is quite
a task. Less that writing one's own kernel and building system based on
it, still...

Valeri


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I am sorry...you're right. I was basing that statement on the devs who 
forked Debian to make Devuan. I assumed that they are building a version 
of the linux kernel with no systemd in it. (Maybe I'm wrong?will 
have to check out a few articles and find out what's really going on!) 
My apologies...once again



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Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/11/2015 10:25 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:

On 01/11/2015 08:50 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 01/11/2015 09:38 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:

On Sun, January 11, 2015 8:29 pm, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 01/11/2015 09:24 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:

On Sun, January 11, 2015 7:29 pm, Keith Keller wrote:

On 2015-01-12, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:

PS I guess I just mention it. I'm quite happy about CentOS (or RedHat
if
I
look back). One day I realized how happy I am that I chose RedHat way
back, - that was when all Debian (and its clones like Ubuntu,...)
admins
were fighting with the consequences of this:
http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 . If I had Debian
machine
I
would not only regenerate all key pairs, certs, etc. I would question
sanity of that box then, and will not be certain what confidential
stuff
could have been stolen from it... I realized then that that level big
flop
never happened to RedHat. I couldn't even point to something that
would
constitute big flop RedHat of then. One only criticizes something
while
one cares about it ;-)

Heartbleed was pretty scary, no?  I'd consider that at least as bad as
the predictable number generator issue.


Well, heratbleed and shellshock were pretty much global: all systems
(not
only Linuxes, not to say particular Linux distributions - my FreeBSD
boxes
were affected too) using openssl or bash were affected... Same bad, yet
these were not flops of particular distribution, so whichever system
you
decided to stick with , you had these. Not certain about you, but this
kind of makes difference for me. When I say I'm happy about [me
choosing
way back] RedHat heartbleed, no heartbleed, no difference.

Valeri


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I guess everyone will have an opinion of systemd whether it be good or
bad. The only resolution is to either use a distro that has systemd on
it, use a distro that DOESN'T have systemd on it...or build your OWN
distro and don't include systemd! I guess when it all boils down to it,
there's STILL choice.even when it doesn't seem like there is!


I wouldn't quite agree with you about someone building one's own Linux
distro without systemd. You see, systemd _IS_ in the mainstrem Linux
kernel which you imminently have to use. Having distro with kernel to
that
level not mainstream, so systemd related stuff is stripped off it is
quite
a task. Less that writing one's own kernel and building system based on
it, still...

Valeri


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University of Chicago
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I am sorry...you're right. I was basing that statement on the devs who
forked Debian to make Devuan. I assumed that they are building a version
of the linux kernel with no systemd in it. (Maybe I'm wrong?will
have to check out a few articles and find out what's really going on!)
My apologies...once again

No, you are correct.  They would just have to figure out how to do it on
their own in a way that works.

The bottom line is that every bit of the code that is used for CentOS is
released to everyone.  One needs to either use what is compiled or be
smart enough to take the source code and make it do what they want.

That can be done .. but it is much easier to bitch about what someone
else is doing that actually do something themselves .. so what you will
see is a bunch whinning all over the Internet and people using whatever
is released .. because the whinners are too lazy to actually work on an
open source project.




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I will admit to being a bit of a whiner when I first came to Linux, and 
it was over the massive changes that took place in Gnome 3. it was so 
long ago that I can't even remember what I was complaining about,...but 
after like a month the issue was reverted back, or reinstated, and 
I've never complained since then. And the reason I don't complain 
anymore?..I had gotten an email response once (will have to dig through 
the millions I have to find it!...unless I deleted it..) from a person 
who worked on a project, it wasn't the one I had been complaining about 
but it was something popular, and he went into great detail as to what 
is needed and required of him on a daily basis just to make sure

Re: [CentOS] Command Line Commands Aren't Working.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 07/13/2014 09:41 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 09:09:55PM -0400, EGO-II.1 wrote:
 Ok so I've gone ahead and gotten CentOS to install to a Unetbootin USB,
 but when I go to install it from there and get the usual command prompt,
 I try to get a GUI by going startx...but I get an error that says
 startx: command not found How do I get the GUI to install from the
 Live usb? (Mind you I chose the netinstall since it was smaller!) I have
 tried everything I know...but cannot seem to get the GUI to come up.
 (This also includes the yum groupinstall Desktop environment command
 which I’m told is ALSO not found!...what gives?) any advice or help
 anyone can give would be greatly appreciated!
 I put up a little page which gives, among other things, the packages you
 need to get a basic X with dwm (which isn't in repos.)

 My page is at http://srobb.net/minimaldesktop.html



 What desktop are you expecting to get.

 If you're looking for the standard Gnome desktop, it's probably something
 like yum groupinstall 'Gnome Desktop' (or yum install
 @gnome-desktop-environment)

Thanks so much for the reply, I guess I should have RTFM huh? I was 
trying to get the Gnome desktop, but I think I will just try again later 
on in the week when time permits. I will definitely try the suggestions 
you gave me. But one thing I noticed?...is that even whenI type in just 
yum it returns a command not found..what would cause that? or am I 
just stoopid?I know when the USB boots up it gives me the option to 
Install CentOs which I do select...and since it goes through all the 
motions and lands me at a # command prompt...then it MUST have 
installed properlyno? sorry for being such a pest.


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Re: [CentOS] Command Line Commands Aren't Working.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

Which is funny, because I remember doing this same exact thing for C6 
and startx worked right away..hmm...I guess they changed some 
things around for this version?...or maybe it really IS because I went 
and tried to do this with a netinstall instead of the regular CD/DVD 
iso.?...


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On 07/13/2014 09:48 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 09:41:51PM -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 09:09:55PM -0400, EGO-II.1 wrote:


 Ok so I've gone ahead and gotten CentOS to install to a Unetbootin USB,
 but when I go to install it from there and get the usual command prompt,
 I try to get a GUI by going startx...but I get an error that says
 startx: command not found How do I get the GUI to install from the
 Live usb?
 By the way, the startx command itself is provided by the xorg-x11-xinit
 package.  I have another small page explaining how to use yum provides to
 find what package gives what command at http://srobb.net/yumprovides.html



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Re: [CentOS] Command Line Commands Aren't Working.....

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On 07/13/2014 10:07 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 09:09:55PM -0400, EGO-II.1 wrote:
 Ok so I've gone ahead and gotten CentOS to install to a Unetbootin USB,
 but when I go to install it from there and get the usual command prompt,
 I try to get a GUI by going startx...but I get an error that says
 startx: command not found How do I get the GUI to install from the
 Live usb? (Mind you I chose the netinstall since it was smaller!) I have
 tried everything I know...but cannot seem to get the GUI to come up.
 (This also includes the yum groupinstall Desktop environment command
 which I’m told is ALSO not found!...what gives?) any advice or help
 anyone can give would be greatly appreciated!
 Sounds as if you didn't select what class of system to install, or
 chose one without a graphical desktop when you were in the installer.

Well it's like I had said before.when the USB boots up, it doesn't 
give me any type of real options except to install the OSor Test 
the media and THEN install the os. when I select Install the OS it 
automatically scrolls through a whole lot of lines of code and things 
its doing...and then drops me to the # command prompt. Maybe I'll 
download the CD/DVD iso and try again with the LiveUSB creator. Thanks 
again one and all for your insightful and helpful comments and advice. 
(Will definitely be KEEPING the links sent!...for future reference! 
since I plan on introducing this OS to my company for server usage!)

Cheers!


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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/19/2014 07:33 AM, Ned Slider wrote:
 On 19/01/14 05:41, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
 On 01/17/2014 03:33 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Warren Young war...@etr-usa.com wrote:
 Anyway, if you want a wide-open Linux, Les, you know where to get it.
 Sigh..., It's complicated.   I want stability and reliable security
 updates. But I don't like  being dependent on any single entity to
 provide that. Maybe that goes back to relying on some ATT unix
 systems in what seems like another life.   Even though semi-compatible
 alternatives were available, being forced to change was somewhat
 painful.   So I don't necessarily want wide-open, just a little more
 open than being married.

 I don't really think the CentOS team has an evil plan here, but they
 should take it as a compliment that I think they are smart enough to
 fool me if they did want to do something like inject a hidden backdoor
 with their builds.  But, the bigger question is where it leaves us if
 they just decide to quit after assimilating most of the related
 systems under a build ecosystem that no one else can reproduce easily.

 Maybe it might be a good idea to do some research on Debian
 systems?...and using them for file and system servers?..I'm just
 sayin' LoL!


 When there is discernible evidence of a deterioration of service, maybe.
 But until then it's all just FUD.

 If anything, the evidence currently points to a vastly improved picture
 since the delays of a few releases back. Back then there was cause for
 concern. At present I see far less cause for concern. Of course things
 can change, but at present I see no reason to be concerned. I've never
 been very good at predicting the future so I will stick to looking at
 what the present is telling me, and currently the CentOS team are doing
 a good job on delivering the core product in a timely fashion. That is a
 metric I can measure today and it tells me something meaningful. IF that
 changes and things observably deteriorate then there are alternatives
 but I'd rather make decisions based on what I observe today rather than
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Well I for one will not be jumping ship anytime in the foreseeable 
future. CEntOS (wish they would change the way it appears to the 
world...the e should be capitalized...as the OS isits the start 
of a real word!but I digress!) CEntOS has been good to meand has 
never given me problems since installing it at 6.0's release. If 
anything this should solidify the fact that CEntOS is TRULY an 
Enterprise Class OS available to the masses from a Community that has 
the (strength?clout?resources?) of Red Hat Enterprise 
Linux...(this might make my taking the RHCSA a bit easier 
too!...(wonder if there are any CEntOS certification exams?.or 
would that be an over-saturation of the market?like...if you're 
not RHCSA approved...then you go for second string CEntOS?..maybe 
its better to NOT have one then!...)


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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/17/2014 03:33 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Warren Young war...@etr-usa.com wrote:
 Anyway, if you want a wide-open Linux, Les, you know where to get it.
 Sigh..., It's complicated.   I want stability and reliable security
 updates. But I don't like  being dependent on any single entity to
 provide that. Maybe that goes back to relying on some ATT unix
 systems in what seems like another life.   Even though semi-compatible
 alternatives were available, being forced to change was somewhat
 painful.   So I don't necessarily want wide-open, just a little more
 open than being married.

 I don't really think the CentOS team has an evil plan here, but they
 should take it as a compliment that I think they are smart enough to
 fool me if they did want to do something like inject a hidden backdoor
 with their builds.  But, the bigger question is where it leaves us if
 they just decide to quit after assimilating most of the related
 systems under a build ecosystem that no one else can reproduce easily.

Maybe it might be a good idea to do some research on Debian 
systems?...and using them for file and system servers?..I'm just 
sayin' LoL!


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Re: [CentOS] Your opinion about RHCSA certification

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/16/2014 08:46 AM, Vishesh kumar wrote:
 RHCSA gives good opportunity to learn all basics on Redhat Linux. Good to
 start with this.

 Thanks


 On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Fabrizio Di Carlo 
 dicarlo.fabri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello to all,

 I'm currently studying (and collecting notes here
 https://github.com/fdicarlo/RHCSA_cs) for RHCSA. My plan is to RHCSA
 - RHCE and then RHCSS.

 What I want to ask you is:

 - What do you think about it?
 - Did you find it useful?
 - Do you have any advices?

 Best regards,
 Fabrizio

 --
 The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a
 faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant
 and has forgotten the gift. (A. Einstein)

 La mente intuitiva è un dono sacro e la mente razionale è un fedele
 servo. Noi abbiamo creato una società che onora il servo e ha
 dimenticato il dono.  (A. Einstein)

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I too am studying for the RHCSA.and while it IS tough (SO different 
from when I had to study for Windows 2000 Server Administration certs!) 
I wonder if the fact that Red Hat is about to release version 7 if the 
6.x exams are still going to be valid?...and if so..for how much longer?


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS Tshirt ideas

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/09/2014 08:22 PM, david wrote:
 Karanbir

 Whatever you guys come up with, I hope it has CentOS somewhere in
 the printing.  I also hope that geeks like me who aren't present at
 that conference have a chance to get the T-shirts, even if we have to
 pay for shipping.

 David Kurn
 San Francisco



 At 03:07 PM 1/9/2014, you wrote:
 hi,

 We have, like in the years past, a table at Fosdem and I'd like to get
 some tshirts printed to hand out. In the past, the Linux Ninja's and
 Beards ones got quite a bit of attention ( and both were not brand
 spammy, which is always nice ).

 Reaching out to the mailing list for ideas on what we can do this year,
 with the caveat that I need to finalise by this weekend if we are to get
 anything in by Fosdem.

 thanks in advance,

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Re: [CentOS] 3rd party repositories

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 10/18/2013 11:05 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
 On 10/18/2013 1:52 PM, isdtor wrote:
 Can anyone comment on the use of 3rd party repos for newer versions of
 software like php, python and mysql? Two I am aware of are puias and ius.
 note that there is now a php5.3 in the base repository, I believe it was
 part of the 6.4 update, its called php53.  I would use this over a 3rd
 party packaged version unless there's an overriding reason you need a
 different build.





Also, isn't there a way to download the packages / apps that you want 
directly from the homepage? for instance Debian didn't come with the 
latest version of LibreOffice, so my friend just went to the LibreOffice 
site and downloaded and installed the latest version. Not sure if this 
is the same with .rpm based distros but I don't see why not? This would 
also allow you to be selective and use / install JUST the packages you 
need or want without dealing with changing or messing with your repos.


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Re: [CentOS] 3rd party repositories

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 10/18/2013 11:47 PM, Keith Keller wrote:
 On 2013-10-19, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconno...@gmail.com wrote:
 Also, isn't there a way to download the packages / apps that you want
 directly from the homepage?
 Sure, but this can be time-consuming, not every software package
 provides a suitable rpm, and even if they do, you still need to install
 the dependencies yourself, because rpm will just tell you they're
 missing, not find and install them.  A yum repo is more automated and
 convenient if one carries the software you want.

 This would
 also allow you to be selective and use / install JUST the packages you
 need or want without dealing with changing or messing with your repos.
 You can always be selective about what software packages you install, no
 matter how many third-party repositories you use.  The challenge with
 other repos is that they may provide conflicting packages, but you
 should be selective about which repos you install in order to minimize
 problems.

 The CentOS wiki has an entry about third party repositories:

 http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories

 I have successfully used rpmforge, EPEL, and ELRepo (specifically
 elrepo-kernel).

 --keith

Wow!Didn't know just how deep this subject was! I guess I'll be 
leaving my CEntOS 6.4 box well enough alone and will wait for the repos 
to update / upgrade my software and systems!...Thanks for the info!


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[CentOS] Really Weird Question.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

So I just got ahold of an old e-Machine (Model EL1600) with 1GB of 
memory. I was going to install CEntOS on it and try to run VirtualBox 
for other OS'es. I am curious to know if I have to stick with the 2GB 
max the specs say the machine can take or if its possible to install a 
4GB module that is designed the same? In other words I have seen 2GB DDR 
PC2700 memory that will fit the casing and work, but I have ALSO seen 
4GB DDR PC6400 memory modules with the same number of pins (240) will 
this work? I would want to have as much memory in there that will allow 
the VirtualBox to run smoothly.any help would be appreciated!


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Re: [CentOS] Really Weird Question.....

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 08/19/2013 09:23 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
 On 8/19/2013 5:20 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
 So I just got ahold of an old e-Machine (Model EL1600) with 1GB of
 memory. I was going to install CEntOS on it and try to run VirtualBox
 for other OS'es. I am curious to know if I have to stick with the 2GB
 max the specs say the machine can take or if its possible to install a
 4GB module that is designed the same? In other words I have seen 2GB DDR
 PC2700 memory that will fit the casing and work, but I have ALSO seen
 4GB DDR PC6400 memory modules with the same number of pins (240) will
 this work? I would want to have as much memory in there that will allow
 the VirtualBox to run smoothly.any help would be appreciated!

 if you are running VMs, you pretty much have to have more real memory
 than all your VM's plus your main system are using.  I run virtualbox on
 machines with 8gb and more ram.   with only 1gb, if you run a single
 512MB VM, you'll only have 512MB left for your regular system too.
 what are you going to install in a 512MB VM other than very stripped
 systems?


I see that Stephen was right, this box will only max out at 2GB,.so 
I guess I'll install something else on it and look to install  CEntOS on 
the uber-machine that I have on standby (1TB HDD - 6GB RAM - 
AMDFX9370...etc.) I just wanted to see if there was any hope for this 
boxthanks everyone!


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Re: [CentOS] Red Hat CEO: Go Ahead, Copy Our Software

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On 08/16/2013 10:58 AM, Tom Bishop wrote:
 Snip...

 The bottom line ... Robert is correct, the relationship is certainly
 symbiotic and not parasitic.  Red Hat (the company) needs to make money,
 and software that is built on the same code base is available for free
 as well.  It is a win-win ... which is exactly what the GPL provides for.



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Re: [CentOS] Red Hat CEO: Go Ahead, Copy Our Software

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I have no problems with RedHat and have used CEntOS steadily for quite 
some time now. Even though it's at home on my personal machines, I have 
been aching for my company to adopt an open source alternative to the 
five or six Windows 2008 servers that are currently in place...and I've 
made progess! So MUCH progress that in another month I'm to have a 
sit-down with the higher-ups from Accounting...IT...and Corporate to 
determine if my suggestion warrants merit, and if sohow to go about 
implementing itwhen I finally do get my chance on the mike so to 
speak?...I'll be recommending both Red Hat AND CEntOS.as they're 
basically the same thing...and the things I won't be able to 
troubleshoot myself...I'll have the RedHat Tech Support handle. Either 
way I see it as a win-win situation. The author might have flubbed a few 
things...as others have stated, CEntOS...isn't a parasite to 
RedHatbut more a sibling. And RedHat really DOESN'T own any of the 
source code it sells! but hey...everyone makes mistakes!..LoL! I 
will say this: I have used Windows since the Win '95 era, and even 
though they have come a long way, I have not enjoyed using my computers 
as much as when I installed Linux, and not just CEntOSbut 
Fedora...UbuntuopenSuSE..Debianetc. I wish there was a way 
to return' the favor to al lthe developers and contributors to the Open 
Source movement!


Cheers!




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On 08/15/2013 04:59 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 3:20 PM,  m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 Yeah, and the author *really* doesn't understand, and didn't bother to
 try, to do their research.

 Excerpt:
 Arguably one critical area that CentOS hasn't helped Red Hat is with
 developers. While developers want the latest and greatest technology, Red
 Hat's bread-and-butter audience over the years has been operations
 departments, which want stable and predictable software. (Read: boring.)
 CentOS, by cloning RHEL's slow-and-steady approach to Linux development,
 is ill-suited to attracting developers.
 --- end excerpt ---
 How about the real history, where Red Hat took a bunch of software
 developed by others, published the barely-working stuff with horrible
 bugs (read the changelogs if you disagree), then accepted
 contributed debugging, fixes and improvements from the users until it
 was good enough to charge for, then they cut off access even to the
 people who had helped make it usable.  And CentOS helps fix that
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Re: [CentOS] Mirror failure

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 08/14/2013 05:02 PM, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 On 14/08/13 21:57, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 Phil Dobbin wrote:
 On 14/08/13 21:35, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 Phil Dobbin wrote:
 Hi, all.

 I was getting:

 `http://mirror01.th.ifl.net/epel/6/x86_64/repodata/c60f7c3ee6f9a4902d5ce9dd181a84ca684bba1a1df1c612702c7c6760a04645-filelists.sqlite.bz2:
 [Errno 14] PYCURL ERROR 6 - Couldn't resolve host
 'mirror01.th.ifl.net'
 Trying other mirror.
 snip
 from epel: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
  You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem`

 every time I ran `sudo yum update'. This happened on Fedora 17 also.
 I've had to switch both machines to Ubuntu because I need working
 machines.

 I've Googled this extensively  changed my nameservers, commented out
 relevant lines in the configs, etc, etc but no luck so far. Ubuntu
 works fine  I have no network problems (two HP ProCurves 2124s working
 normally over the rest of the network: 17 machines).

 Is there a workaround for this as I need a working CentOS box.
 You *did* do yum clean all, correct?

 No. Was that all it took? Of the thousand answers found on Google that
 didn't work, that wasn't mentioned once.
 Did you try it?
 If you could explain why that would work I'd be eternally grateful  all
 ears.
 Your google fu needs work. It should have found a zillion hits.

 What happens is that yum caches the mirror addresses, and uses the cached
 addresses, rather than look them up every bloody time. Clearing all,
 including the cache, will force it to look Out There again.

 Not a hit on Google concerning this. Try it.

 Thanks for the info,

 Cheers,

  Phil...

Just curious, would this apply to any other rpm-based Linux distro? as 
well(FedoraScientific?etc?)


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Re: [CentOS] Mirror failure

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On 08/14/2013 11:29 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:42:28PM -0400, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
 On 08/14/2013 05:02 PM, Phil Dobbin wrote:

 On 14/08/13 21:57, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 I was getting:

 `http://mirror01.th.ifl.net/epel/6/x86_64/repodata/c60f7c3ee6f9a4902d5ce9dd181a84ca684bba1a1df1c612702c7c6760a04645-filelists.sqlite.bz2:
 [Errno 14] PYCURL ERROR 6 - Couldn't resolve host
 'mirror01.th.ifl.net'
 Trying other mirror.
 snip
 from epel: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
   You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem`

 You *did* do yum clean all, correct?

 No. Was that all it took? Of the thousand answers found on Google that
 didn't work, that wasn't mentioned once.
 What happens is that yum caches the mirror addresses, and uses the cached
 addresses, rather than look them up every bloody time. Clearing all,
 including the cache, will force it to look Out There again.

 Just curious, would this apply to any other rpm-based Linux distro? as
 well(FedoraScientific?etc?)
 It should work with any distribution that uses yum.

Ok...cool thanks for the info!!


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Re: [CentOS] How does such long term support work?

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On 07/30/2013 01:19 PM, Digimer wrote:
 On 30/07/13 12:39, Patrick wrote:
 I've had nothing but trouble with BSD/Linux over the past year or so.

 I've been on Centos 6.4 for about a half day now and I am loving it.

 I am just wondering though, how does a 7 year support cycle work?

 I see that there is libreoffice which is kinda new. Is this because open
 office is under oracle's influence?

 I am on gnome 2 right now, will I wake up one day in the next 7 years to
 gnome 3 ? I really don't want to. Will I just have gnome 2 + bug fixes?

 If so how does the community do this if the gnome people drop support
 for gnome 2.

 Thanks-Patrick
 To expand on Mark's reply;

 CentOS is a community maintained, binary compatible version of Red Hat
 Enterprise Linux. That means that, minus trademarked content, it is
 identical in every way to RHEL (warts and all). Red Hat somewhat
 recently announced that they were extending support from 7 years to 10
 years, too.

 Red Hat's claim to fame, and the reason for their popularity, is that
 they maintain a super-stable OS. Once a major version is released, say
 6.0, all versions of all software will (almost) never change. So the
 version released on 6.0 will be the same version available when the last
 6.X version is retired. This means that you never have to worry about
 conflicts and faults caused by library or dependency apps changing over
 time.

 As for support; Red Hat takes responsibility of maintaining *all*
 applications in their OS. Of course, most issues are resolved with help
 from the original authors, but they will take over if the original
 project dies or significantly changes for whatever reason.

 CentOS, in the meantime, very quickly recompiles updates as they're
 released from Red Hat and makes them available to their users. They do
 this for all supported releases and plan to do so for the foreseeable
 future. Given their past excellent track record, I personally have every
 reason to trust them. So CentOS will continue to provide support for
 CentOS 5 until 2017 and CentOS 6 until 2020.

 This is why RHEL and CentOS are so extremely popular in enterprise. It's
 arguably the most supported and longest living release cycle in the
 Linux ecosystem.

 hth

Good to know there's a reliable server/desktop OS that can withstand the 
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Re: [CentOS] Update to Gnome 3

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On 07/24/2013 07:44 AM, AJH wrote:
 Hello,

 just a little question:

 Exists a way to update the Gnome 2.28.1 out of box at Centos 6.4 to a
 Gnome 3?

 And if yes...how does this work?

 thanks a lot.

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Re: [CentOS] DL380g8 - smart array B320i - CentOS 6.4

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On 07/01/2013 01:57 PM, Nathan Duehr wrote:
 On Jun 26, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Marcelo Roccasalva 
 marcelo-cen...@irrigacion.gov.ar wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:52 AM, ☼ Francis francis.s.mend...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Este é Inglês lista utilize palavras em inglês


 2013/6/26 Sergio Alex sergio...@gmail.com

 Gostaria de instalar o Centos 6.4 em um dl380e g8 com uma smart array
 b320i, na instalação não possui drives por isso aparece que não há discos
 disponíveis, baixei os drives para red hat .dd do site da HP, como poderia
 carregar esses drives durante a instalação? gravei eles em um pen drive.

 Obrigado.
 You need a license from HP to access your hard disks... Stupid, but real...

 --
 Marcelo
 It's their new method of saying they have the cheapest servers.  Yes, but you 
 can't access the hard drives you just installed...

 You need licenses for both the type of disk (if they're SAS, for example) and 
 licenses for turning on the array controller.  You enter them into the BIOS.

 Not kidding...

 DRM'ed server hardware.  Pure evil.

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What about this? I once had problems with Yum...but after using this I 
don't anymore..

YumEx On CEntOS? 
http://falsinsoft.blogspot.com/2013/01/install-yum-extender-into-centos-6.html


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Re: [CentOS] Slightly OT: Samsung Chromebook

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On 05/15/2013 06:55 PM, Fred Roller wrote:
 On 05/15/2013 11:57 AM, SilverTip257 wrote:
 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org
 wrote:
 On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 11:44 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
 I'm thinking of buying a Samsung Chromebook,
 largely for use while travelling.
 But I'd like to use it at home linked to my CentOS-6.4 server,
 rather than to the cloud.
 I'm wondering if this is practicable?
 I use LaTeX quite a lot,
 and I don't know if I could (a) download LaTeX to the Chromebook,
 (b) run LaTeX on the cloud,
 or (c) run LaTeX on my server from the Chromebook.
 Has anyone experience of doing this sort of thing?
 [snip]

 It all depends what you (the OP) is looking to do in conjunction with your
 CentOS box.
 I'd start by finding out from somebody what the stock OS has in terms of
 functionality and packages (ex: VPN support [2]).

 [0] http://www.google.com/intl/en_us/chrome/devices/chromebook-pixel/
 [1]
 http://www.zdnet.com/chromebook-pixel-google-io-could-reveal-its-secret-mission-715420/
 [2] http://support.google.com/chromeos/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=1282338

 I have been using one for a client to test for integration. Prominently
 app driven so you will be looking for your support there.  If it were
 actually mine the OS would have been replaced by now.  It is handy
 though since there is a choice of ssh clients available making working
 on my CentOS servers easy and the 8+ hour battery life gives me a days
 work without plugging in.  Printing is cloud based and most of your life
 is spent in gmail (drive, calendar, docs, etc).  Google does give you
 100Gb of online storage with your purchase I believe but make sure the
 first user you log on with is the one you want to have it;
 non-transferable from what I understand.

 Native OS makes it easy to reset when you push too hard :)  I plan on
 testing NX for GUI connection to *nix systems but haven't gotten that
 far yet.  Right now, my personal position is you can get more bang for
 your buck else where.   Hope this helps.

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I'm glad this was postedeven if it IS OT. I was planning on getting 
a Chromebook, but was going to install a different OS...(I was hoping 
for either Debian or Fedora!) I don't know if either will work with the 
machine without glitches.


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Re: [CentOS] Slightly OT: Samsung Chromebook

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On 05/15/2013 10:33 PM, SilverTip257 wrote:
 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. 
 eoconno...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm glad this was postedeven if it IS OT. I was planning on getting

 Yeah and now I've taken it completely off-topic (see below).


 a Chromebook, but was going to install a different OS...(I was hoping
 for either Debian or Fedora!) I don't know if either will work with the
 machine without glitches.

 Debian
 http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Samsung/ARMChromebook
 http://blog.brocktice.com/2013/03/09/running-debian-wheezy-7-0-on-the-chromebook-pixel/
 http://www.chromebook-linux.com/2011/11/how-to-install-gnulinux-debian-603-on.html

 Fedora
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Samsung_Chromebook_2012
 https://www.berrange.com/posts/2013/03/31/automated-install-of-fedora-18-arm-on-a-samsung-google-chromebook/
 http://liliputing.com/2012/11/fedora-linux-runs-on-the-249-samsung-chromebook-too.html
 http://www.muktware.com/4733/fedora-17-runs-google-chromebook


 On many of those links (Debian+Fedora) speak of switching to Chromebook
 developer mode and one of the Fedora ones it instructs to back up firmware.
   Sounds like fun.

 Sort of reminds me of my idea to put Linux on an older Apple Xserve...
 1.  Does Fedora/CentOS/Debian support PowerPC?  Yes
 2.  Does XYZ piece of hardware work?  Maybe - I came up with a load of
 maybes.

 Some hardware is built to run the manufacturer's supported OS and not much
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OMG!I guess I'll just have to go another routethis looks all so 
complicated just to get a different OS to install?.Hmmm.I wonder 
if Google built it this way on PURPOSE?..


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[CentOS] I Know It's A Stupid Question......

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

But I'm trying to give my son a cool-yet-kind-of-geeky 13th 
Birthday Present..he hinted he liked the CentOS logo, but where 
would I find things that are branded with it?searching the web 
doesn't really help me much, only because I'm not sure what I need to be 
looking for...any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance!!




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Re: [CentOS] preventing apache from being a mail relay

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 03/03/2013 04:49 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 On 03/03/2013 04:33 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
 Am 03.03.2013 22:30, schrieb Robert Moskowitz:
 I am trying to recall back at least 2 years, and my notes are poor, and
 my searching appears to be worst...

 Seems I recall that last when I set up my apache server, the spammers
 were posting to it so it would send out the spam on port 25.  There was
 some conf that I did to block this, but I did not document it, and I
 can't find any reference to this
 what are you speaking about?
 apache is a WEBSERVER and has NOTHING to do with email
 There was an attack, and if you search you will find references to it,
 where the spammers post to your web server in such a way that they relay
 out port 25.  They send to your port 80, but you send out port 25.  For
 example:

 http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-173601.html

 My old server has been running smoothly for over two years, but it is
 time to bring the software current.  I did all the work on this back
 then, or maybe before and copied from my earlier server.  This time I am
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If / when I get the guts to build my own Apache web server...I would 
think that the ONLY way to do it would be to document EVERYTHINGsort 
of as a Just-In-Case policy?or is it only after you've built 
it?...and when you make CHANGES to your serverTHAT'S when you 
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Re: [CentOS] Is this right? -- Centos 6 and RHEL 6 infrastrure for continuous update/upgrade

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 02/10/2013 03:37 AM, James Hogarth wrote:
 I would assume (and I know it's not good to do that!) that the updates
 and patches that are pushed out through the repos are something not to
 be ingored,so why would the severity of one be that big an
 issue?(and I'm just curious...not trying to start a war!..LoL!)

 For a start there's threes categories: bug fixes, enhancements and security
 fixes.

 The first will cover things like typos in man pages or behaviour that is
 not right but has no risk to the system.

 The second adds something new to a package - tzdata is a good example here.

 The third is security issues - these will generally fix one or more CVE
 announcements.

 Within that third category there are different levels of security issue
 depending on the nature of the problem.

 For example if something needs an interactive login as an unprivileged user
 to cause a process (eg mysqld) to fail that could be low security risk
 given the need to be on the system and only a denial of service to that one
 subsystem and no data loss.

 A higher category might be an unprivileged user being able to escalate
 their privileges to obtain increased access to a system they shouldn't have
 - there was a sudo exploit last year that would fall into this.

 The most severe category of security issue would allow am unprivileged user
 to remotely gain privileged access... This leads to full system compromises
 and should always be patched asap - especially on public facing systems.

 Sometimes it's possible to chain these things together... Fire example
 there might be a way for an unprivileged user to run arbitrary code (think
 a php big perhaps) which you could then chain to a local privilege
 escalation to take full control of a system.

 This is also why selinux is important to confine services to prevent them
 from going out of their allowed domain and mitigating security issues as
 and when they arise.

 As an admin rather than just updating everything all the time it's best
 practice to schedule updates and test them before major roll outs.
 Depending on the severity of the issue it may be something you delay to a
 standardised patching schedule (eg once a month update things) or treat as
 an emergency an roll out much quicker.

 Does that help explain things?
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Most DEFINITELY! I can see I'll be picking your brains as MUCH as 
possibleas I attempt to get an RHCSA certification!...LoL! I've been 
using Fedora 18 and CEntOS on two different machines now, and I would 
always see these SEL Alerts...not knowing what they wereI will be 
paying MUCH more attention to them from now on. Also I am going to check 
for updates more frequently, I currently have my machien just give me a 
notification when there's new updates available, but maybe scheduling it 
for the last / first of every month isn't such a bad idea, at least I'd 
be able to keep track of what's going on on those machines! As it stands 
now I can't tell you when last either one of them were updated!well 
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Re: [CentOS] LibreOffice 4.0 on Centos 5.9

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On 02/10/2013 12:34 PM, fred smith wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 03:31:44PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:

 Am 10.02.2013 15:11, schrieb fred smith:
 I've just installed LibreOffice 4.0.0.3 on my Centos 5.9 system. the
 previous version (3.4.x) was working fine. But 4.0.0.3 won't start up.
 When run from a terminal it prints:

 no suitable windowing system found, exiting.

 Is this yet another case of apps moving on beyond compatibility with
 the older components in C5?

 Or any hints for making it work?
 why are you using a LTS distribution to get the latest
 packages run whch even are not in Fedora?
 because, well, it's my main home machine which among other things
 acts as a mail server for the domain, and I just hate having to go
 thru the pain of re-customizing a new installation to get it the way
 I want/like it. that's why I run a non-bleeding-edge distro.

 which, of course, then implies that some new software won't be
 compatible. Hence my question regarding compatibility.

 maybe at least CentOS 6 instead 5 would be a better base
 for bleeding software
 I'm sure I'll upgrade it soon (for some values of soon), but in the
 meantime, still wondering if anyone else has made it work.


Me being a total noobie when it comes to CentOS (I've installed 6!) I am 
guessing that I'd be better off just using what works with it. I'm not 
trying to break my fledgling server, which doesn't even have any apps on 
it yet, except what came with it. I may at some point install 
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Re: [CentOS] Is this right? -- Centos 6 and RHEL 6 infrastrure for continuous update/upgrade

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On 02/09/2013 05:58 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
 On 02/08/2013 07:45 PM, Gelen James wrote:

 snip
 supposed I installed with Centos 6.2 last year, and let's say Centos 6.4 
 comes out two months later and I have not updated a single package since 
 initial installation until Centos 6.4 comes out (I am way too lazy :)
 That would be extremely unfortunate ... because there are *VERY
 IMPORTANT* security updates that come out between point releases.

 There are 2 classes of these updates (Critical and Important) that
 should be applied ASAP after release to prevent root access by
 unauthorized users.  It is extremely important to maintain Internet
 facing machines updated with security updates.  There are 2 less severe
 security updates (Moderate and Low) that should also be installed, but
 are not as critical ... and there are also bugfix and enhancement
 updates that are a convenience, but likely not required.

 Machines get rooted if security updates are skipped ... don't do it.

 Our CentOS Announce list has Topics that split those announcements so
 you can minimize the traffice you get.  One topic is Security
 Updates ... utilizing that and the Daily Digest feature, you can get
 one e-mail (only on days when we do a security release) to get minimum
 contact for only important announcements.  Please use it.

 To understand how Red Hat rates Severity ... please review this:

 https://access.redhat.com/security/updates/classification/

 Here is also some good reading concerning security metrics:

 http://www.redhat.com/security/data/metrics/

 Stay updated !!!

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I would assume (and I know it's not good to do that!) that the updates 
and patches that are pushed out through the repos are something not to 
be ingored,so why would the severity of one be that big an 
issue?(and I'm just curious...not trying to start a war!..LoL!)


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Re: [CentOS] Mail notification in panel/system tray on CentOS 6

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On 01/28/2013 02:48 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:
 On 27/01/13 07:13, SilverTip257 wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Giles Coocheygi...@coochey.net  wrote:

 On 25/01/2013 15:00, Toralf Lund wrote:

 Hi.

 Does anyone know of a way to add a new mail notification icon to the
 panel/system tray under CentOS 6?
 On CentOS 5, I used the mail-notification software package provided by
 the Fedora EPEL distribution, but this is gone from the version 6
 repository, and the one from version 5 won't install just like that due
 to dependency issues. Maybe it's possible to resolve those, but I'm
 wondering if that's the way to go, or if there is a better alternative
 these days.



 In the old days we used biff... then xbiff came along... new fangled
 things!

 Something like: 
 http://homepages.shu.ac.uk/~**cmsps/freeScripts/xbiff.pyhttp://homepages.shu.ac.uk/~cmsps/freeScripts/xbiff.py

 Don't some MUAs come with small panel applets for this?


 @Toralf:

 I have Evolution Mail on my work desktop (not CentOS) set to display
 pop-ups (using libnotify).  I don't recall though if I had to do anything
 more than click a check box in Evolution's preferences.

 You might consider having your MUA do the notifying rather than having an
 applet go check your inbox for you.
 I'm mostly using thunderbird for e-mail, and it actually also supports
 notification via pop-ups. But:

   1. I think it's nice to be able to close the application completely
  when not working on e-mail.
   2. Global popups are generally annoying/too obtrusive. A small icon
  that changes state is much better.

 - Toralf




 It isn't so common to receive email locally anymore, most people are using
 remote mail servers.

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I'm going to follow this thread carefully, as I too would like to change 
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[CentOS] Installing RHEL On Laptop.....

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Not sure if this is the right place to come to, but I don't have RHN 
support.I'm hoping someone can help me out here.

I have downloaded the RHEL .ios file and burned it to DVD/CD, my laptop 
is primed to Boot From CD/ROM Drive, I start the installation using the 
semi-graphical interface, and the first few options are a breeze, then 
it gets to identifying the CD drive and it asks me which driver I want 
to usethere's only a list of about 10 and NONE of them work, when I 
select it, it searches for a minute, then it goes back to the Install 
Your CD Drive screen. Is there some way to skip this part? or to have 
the install disc automatically find this info? Did I download the wrong 
version of RHEL? (supposedly it's free...but I do not know this for 
suremaybe there's a different version than the one with the paid 
subscription and support?) Any help someone can give would be 
appreciatedI've included the output of my lshw in the hopes that 
someone can point me to the file that I need to get past this point?

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xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx 
smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic popcnt 
tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx lahf_lm ida arat epb xsaveopt pln pts 
dtherm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid cpufreq
   configuration: cores=2 enabledcores=2 id=0 threads=4
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 6.3 - which repos to use?

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/27/2013 05:46 PM, Rob Kampen wrote:
 On 01/28/2013 04:18 AM, John Hinton wrote:
 On 1/26/2013 4:21 PM, James Freer wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Reindl 
 Haraldh.rei...@thelounge.net  wrote:
 Am 26.01.2013 22:07, schrieb James Freer:
From what i have seen of fedora and centos in the rpm world the 
 repos
 are very much better in the debian world. To me the stability comes
 from the distro and it's repos. Not being able to install Abiword or
 yumex, having to spend time selecting options for repos to me simply
 isn't worth it.

 I've just installed a Slackware distro today and it's the best i've
 ever tried in 6 years of using linux. It's speed, ease of 
 installation
 put's it in a league of its own. Or as their 'chilling warning goes'
 Once you go Slack... you never go back!
 have fun with a package management without dependency tracking
 well, without the probles above are hidden, but not solved

 a funny thing to play with - but laughable for production environments
 which you maintain over many years without reinstall them ever

 Like debian is improved on with derivative distros, when i said slack
 i was referring to a derivative Salix... with package management
 Gslapt which is very similar to synaptic. Hate to say it but imo very
 much better than yum.

 You've been a nice friendly crowd but centos isn't for me.

 james
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 If I were doing a desktop setup, I would very likely not use CentOS
 EL. Remember E stands for Enterprise. What is an enterprise? What
 expectations does an enterprise have? Our 'enterprise' is web facing
 servers doing hosting and email mostly. In the hosting world, the users
 get to put up their content. Most of the time this 'enterprise' solution
 is great. I don't have to worry about upgrades that break things. I
 would not know for instance if a PHP upgrade broke a website until the
 client let us know. This might be the day it happened or it might be
 months after it occurred. Yes, some folks don't actually look at their
 website or maybe just one portion of their website for months. For
 instance, maybe a photo album script. The enterprise life pretty much
 avoids any of these issues. I can update something like Postfix without
 worrying about it being a new version with a new config file. The
 benefits to the 'enterprise' world are huge. Stuff very rarely breaks.
 If I am developing for CentOS 'EL', I would likely use CentOS as my
 desktop version. If my goal is watching movies, viewing images, doing
 graphics work... I think I would at least look at the other distros for
 something that stays current.
 I use CentOS 6.x for my desktops for these enterprise long life 
 stability reasons.
 I do want to see movies, work with image files etc, but I also need it 
 to work everyday,
 just like it did the previous day. It is my workstation, it needs to 
 do all the basics reliably
 year after year. So for me the upgrade path is use CentOS 5.x until 
 6.1 was released - at that time
 the various repos usually have all the tools I need for a desktop 
 workstation.
 I will use 6.x until 7.1 comes out and at that time upgrade my various 
 workstations - say every 4 years or so.
 I guess the decision varies around the user either wanting to play 
 with the OS and related software
 OR
  use it to perform work reliably day after day.

 CentOS is not bleeding edge. I rarely ever suffer a cut. Instead,
 stability and reliability. If we do something to break email or web
 services, our phones start ringing within 5 minutes. Those are not happy
 customers.


Needless to say there ARE other distros better suited for being used as 
a desktop environment. CentOS is usually used as a server for it's 
stability, availability, and its compatibility with most of the repos 
that are out there. For desktops...a lot of companies use something with 
a little less management needs and something that most users can move 
about freely in, withouth having too much of a hard time making things work.


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Re: [CentOS] Question: How to utilize multi-core CPUs

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 12/23/2012 06:40 PM, fred smith wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 05:22:52PM -0600, Mike Watson wrote:
 I've installed CentOS 6.3 on a quad-four box.  The model only indicated
 dual core but CentOS is telling me there are four.  This is the first
 multi-core Linux installation I've had. What is the best way to utilize
 the multi-core CPUs? I'd like to distribute the load but I'm unsure how
 to do that.
 Is it possible the motherboard is one of those that automatically unlocks
 hidden cores? sometimes, or so one hears, CPU vendors will lock some of
 the cores on a chip and sell it as having fewer cores than it actually
 has. The reasons usually given are either that some of the cores don't
 pass tests but the others do, or sometimes they need to fill gaps in
 production of the lower-end parts. some motherboards have technology
 (read: kludges) for discovering and unlocking such hidden cores. YMMV.

 As for how to utilize it, the LInux scheduler will assign programs to
 the cores as it sees fit. If the app you want to run is multi-threaded,
 its threads will be distributed across multiple cores if the scheduler
 thinks there are CPU cycles going to waste on some cores.

 I've heard that it is posible to tie a process to a specific core,
 but I have no idea how one does it in real life.

 Fred

I would think this is something you WOULDN'T want to do?...supposing 
that the core you tie a process to fails?wouldn't that be something 
you'd like to avoid at all costs? I thought that was the whole premise 
for having multi-cores...not just for speed, but to also ensure that the 
processing power needed for multiple running apps was there and 
available. But these are just my own personal observations of course


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