Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[Jack Aboutboul]

Thanks Rich for the kind words and Johnny for the support as well. Rich is 
correct about the non-profit foundation that was setup to facilitate community 
ownership and involvement. No one party owns or controls AlmaLinux.

We don’t view anyone as "the other team” either, and we are glad, and here, to 
work together with everyone.

The way we see it is that we are all family now as well and people have 
different needs. We are sure CentOS Stream is going to be great for those whose 
needs it fills and you really can’t beat the engineering team behind it. Time 
has already proven their prowess and some of them are close personal friends. 
That being said, we are trying our absolute hardest to make sure that we are 
the best community and distribution for people whose needs fall on the other 
side of the road.

We are here to work together to build an ecosystem that is greater than the sum 
of its parts. I’ve spent, at this point, the majority of my life in the the EL 
extended family (including Fedora) and I can confidently say it is the most 
powerful platform for innovation, certainly of my generation. It has helped 
either directly or indirectly spawn or support probably most of today’s most 
leading technological advancements, everything from the the way we develop and 
deploy software, huge advancements in space exploration, particle physics 
research, AI, biological breakthroughs, art, finance and everything in between. 
 It’s taken a collaborative, global effort to make that materialize and we are 
here to keep that going.

There is no horizon we cannot explore, no sea we cannot cross and no peak we 
cannot summit. Together.

Thanks,
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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[Tom Bishop]

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 9:11 AM Johnny Hughes  wrote:

> On 4/5/21 1:42 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> >
> > On 4/5/21 12:55 PM, Ruslanas Gžibovskis wrote:
> >> Also maintained by business unit, which might impact later changes
> >> when you
> >> tight your prod to it.
> >
> > A major part of the announcement videocast was about the formation of
> > the 501c6 non-profit foundation that will back the distro. While it does
> > indeed appear that everyone *currently* working on it works for
> > CloudLinux it was also clear that their longer-term intention is to have
> > the Alma Foundation be completely independent.
> >
> > Yeah, I know, I shouldn't be promoting the "other team," but I don't see
> > them that way, and I would not want this list to be a source of any
> > misinformation about them.
> >
>
> Rich .. I agree .. I don't see Igor and company as the other team either.
>
> I wished the almalinux team well on their launch day on reddit.  This is
> because I know many of the people involved in CloudLinux and I have met
> them plenty of times at cPanel conferences and other places.  I trust
> Igor and his team.
>
> I personally feel that CentOS Stream is a great distro and once you guys
> actually see it in practice with all the engineering effort and
> community involvement working as envisioned, you will like it and it
> will meet your needs.
>
> In my post I said as much about CentOS Stream .. but also IF you still
> want to do a downstream and not slightly upstream build of EL source
> code, I definitely would look at AlmaLinux.
>
> Here is a link to my post:
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/AlmaLinux/comments/mgic42/congrats_on_almalinux_release/
>
> My ultimate goal is to make CentOS Stream the most used community
> distribution in the world .. but, in doing that there is no need to be
> negative toward AlmaLinux.
>
> Thanks,
> Johnny Hughes
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+1 agree, thanks for the additional information and staying positive in
regards to other alternatives.
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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[Johnny Hughes]

On 4/5/21 1:42 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> 
> On 4/5/21 12:55 PM, Ruslanas Gžibovskis wrote:
>> Also maintained by business unit, which might impact later changes
>> when you
>> tight your prod to it.
> 
> A major part of the announcement videocast was about the formation of
> the 501c6 non-profit foundation that will back the distro. While it does
> indeed appear that everyone *currently* working on it works for
> CloudLinux it was also clear that their longer-term intention is to have
> the Alma Foundation be completely independent.
> 
> Yeah, I know, I shouldn't be promoting the "other team," but I don't see
> them that way, and I would not want this list to be a source of any
> misinformation about them.
> 

Rich .. I agree .. I don't see Igor and company as the other team either.

I wished the almalinux team well on their launch day on reddit.  This is
because I know many of the people involved in CloudLinux and I have met
them plenty of times at cPanel conferences and other places.  I trust
Igor and his team.

I personally feel that CentOS Stream is a great distro and once you guys
actually see it in practice with all the engineering effort and
community involvement working as envisioned, you will like it and it
will meet your needs.

In my post I said as much about CentOS Stream .. but also IF you still
want to do a downstream and not slightly upstream build of EL source
code, I definitely would look at AlmaLinux.

Here is a link to my post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AlmaLinux/comments/mgic42/congrats_on_almalinux_release/

My ultimate goal is to make CentOS Stream the most used community
distribution in the world .. but, in doing that there is no need to be
negative toward AlmaLinux.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[Ljubomir Ljubojevic]

On 4/6/21 3:29 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:



On 4/6/21 9:24 AM, mark wrote:

On 4/5/21 3:24 PM, J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote:
I installed the beta when it came out on a VM running under C7.  I 
upgrade every day or two and Alma upgrades have so far been seamless. 
It's transited from beta to RC and now to stable.


I installed the RC on a USB stick to allow me to run as bare metal on 
a laptop (which unfortunately has to remain as Win10).  It ran fine 
until the upgrade to stable, but then corrupted the image during the 
upgrade. I reinstalled and it seems to be running fine.


No one has said it, but everyone that's tried it - what's it at? I'm 
on CentOS 7. Do I have to go to 8 for Alma? Is there a 7? Is the 
conversion script someone mentioned for same release, or upgrade, or...?


They will not be doing a 7. Just 8.

That said ... it's probably a great idea to take this conversation over 
to *their* mailing lists. There's an extent to which this conversation 
is relevant to this list - after all, we're all part of the same 
extended family now - but once it starts becoming a technical discussion 
of Alma itself, it's veering off-topic, and you'll get better answers 
over there.


--Rich (With community manager hat on, trying to avoid this thread 
getting out of hand. No, it's not yet. Just trying to avoid it.)


+1

mark, CentOS 7 will be fully supported till EOL, so why waste time on AL7?

I would not convert CL7 to any 8 but if that is only reason you are 
asking about AL7 then your best bet is to convert CL7 to last CL8 (not 
CS8) and then convert CL8 to AL8.


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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[Peter Eckel via CentOS]

> Looking.  Rocky was supposed to release something at the beginning of the
> month, but I haven't seen anything.

The release was postponed by one month.

"Unfortunately we’ve had to revise our previous update for a release candidate 
from March 31 to April 30, due to complications in the build efforts. We 
continue to make steady progress, and are optimistic about our revised 
timeline."





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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[Frank Ramaekers]

Looking.  Rocky was supposed to release something at the beginning of the
month, but I haven't seen anything.

-Frank

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Subject: [CentOS] almalinux?

Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see 
from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.

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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[Rich Bowen]

On 4/6/21 9:24 AM, mark wrote:

On 4/5/21 3:24 PM, J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote:
I installed the beta when it came out on a VM running under C7.  I 
upgrade every day or two and Alma upgrades have so far been seamless. 
It's transited from beta to RC and now to stable.


I installed the RC on a USB stick to allow me to run as bare metal on 
a laptop (which unfortunately has to remain as Win10).  It ran fine 
until the upgrade to stable, but then corrupted the image during the 
upgrade. I reinstalled and it seems to be running fine.


No one has said it, but everyone that's tried it - what's it at? I'm on 
CentOS 7. Do I have to go to 8 for Alma? Is there a 7? Is the conversion 
script someone mentioned for same release, or upgrade, or...?


They will not be doing a 7. Just 8.

That said ... it's probably a great idea to take this conversation over 
to *their* mailing lists. There's an extent to which this conversation 
is relevant to this list - after all, we're all part of the same 
extended family now - but once it starts becoming a technical discussion 
of Alma itself, it's veering off-topic, and you'll get better answers 
over there.


--Rich (With community manager hat on, trying to avoid this thread 
getting out of hand. No, it's not yet. Just trying to avoid it.)




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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[mark]

On 4/5/21 3:24 PM, J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote:
I installed the beta when it came out on a VM running under C7.  I 
upgrade every day or two and Alma upgrades have so far been seamless. 
It's transited from beta to RC and now to stable.


I installed the RC on a USB stick to allow me to run as bare metal on a 
laptop (which unfortunately has to remain as Win10).  It ran fine until 
the upgrade to stable, but then corrupted the image during the upgrade. 
I reinstalled and it seems to be running fine.


No one has said it, but everyone that's tried it - what's it at? I'm on 
CentOS 7. Do I have to go to 8 for Alma? Is there a 7? Is the conversion 
script someone mentioned for same release, or upgrade, or...?


mark



I've been trialing Springdale as well (as a VM).

Requirements are:
 OwnCloud
 DokuWiki
 Zotero
 DNS slave, eventual master
 DHCP server
 NFS server
 Thunderbird
 Firefox
 KeePass
 OpenOffice
 FreeCAD
 Octave
 Lilypond and Frescobaldi
 Compilers: GNU and others.
I'll probably think of a few users as I work through them!


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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[Fred]

There used to be several RHEL clones too, but many (some??) have dropped by
the wayside. I started with TaoLinux, a rebuild of EL6, by basically one
guy at a university, because he wanted his own RHEL clone to run at work.
when he changed jobs he worked with Johnny to come up with a transition for
Taolinux users to turn their systems into CentOS systems. As I understand
it, also, Scientific Linux has quit and urges its users to go to Centos (or
did, before the big hullabaloo in the CentOS world). there was also
Whitebox LInux, but I don't know what ever became of it.

So, hopefully those doing rebuilds of 8 will also eventually coalesce into
a smaller number, hopefully 1.

Fred

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:31 PM Simon Matter  wrote:

> > Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see
> > from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.
> >
> >   mark
>
> I hoped they would join forces and produce only one RHEL clone but put
> some effort into bringing EPEL to a usable state for EL8 instead. IMHO
> that would help *MUCH* more than to have two almost identical rebuilds of
> RHEL.
>
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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[J Martin Rushton via CentOS]

I installed the beta when it came out on a VM running under C7.  I 
upgrade every day or two and Alma upgrades have so far been seamless. 
It's transited from beta to RC and now to stable.


I installed the RC on a USB stick to allow me to run as bare metal on a 
laptop (which unfortunately has to remain as Win10).  It ran fine until 
the upgrade to stable, but then corrupted the image during the upgrade. 
I reinstalled and it seems to be running fine.


I've been trialing Springdale as well (as a VM).

Requirements are:
OwnCloud
DokuWiki
Zotero
DNS slave, eventual master
DHCP server
NFS server
Thunderbird
Firefox
KeePass
OpenOffice
FreeCAD
Octave
Lilypond and Frescobaldi
Compilers: GNU and others.
I'll probably think of a few users as I work through them!

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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[Nicolas Kovacs]

Le 05/04/2021 à 18:20, mark a écrit :
> I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see from over the weekend on slashdot
> that almalinux stable is released.

Linux.

Reinventing the wheel since 1991.

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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[Rich Bowen]

On 4/5/21 12:55 PM, Ruslanas Gžibovskis wrote:

Also maintained by business unit, which might impact later changes when you
tight your prod to it.


A major part of the announcement videocast was about the formation of 
the 501c6 non-profit foundation that will back the distro. While it does 
indeed appear that everyone *currently* working on it works for 
CloudLinux it was also clear that their longer-term intention is to have 
the Alma Foundation be completely independent.


Yeah, I know, I shouldn't be promoting the "other team," but I don't see 
them that way, and I would not want this list to be a source of any 
misinformation about them.


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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[Peter Eckel via CentOS]

Hi Simon,

+1

I expect that to happen sooner or later. Currently Alma has a head start with 
Rocky postponed until the end of April, but to me the race is still open.

As is the case with many other colleagues, I'm currently stuck with RHEL clones 
because RHEL/CentOS is what my customers are using and they are not going to 
switch to Debian/FreeBSD/Ubuntu/whatever any time soon for a plethora of 
reasons. So it would be nice to have a one-stop-solution instead of having to 
decide which of the clones will be the more future-proof option.

Regards,

  Peter.

> On 5. Apr 2021, at 20:31, Simon Matter  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see
>> from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.
>> 
>>mark
> 
> I hoped they would join forces and produce only one RHEL clone but put
> some effort into bringing EPEL to a usable state for EL8 instead. IMHO
> that would help *MUCH* more than to have two almost identical rebuilds of
> RHEL.
> 
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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[Simon Matter]

> Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see
> from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.
>
>   mark

I hoped they would join forces and produce only one RHEL clone but put
some effort into bringing EPEL to a usable state for EL8 instead. IMHO
that would help *MUCH* more than to have two almost identical rebuilds of
RHEL.

Simon

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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[mailist]

On 2021-04-05 12:20, mark wrote:

Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I
see from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is
released.


We are moving it into production as we speak!

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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[Valeri Galtsev]

On 4/5/21 11:58 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:

On 4/5/21 12:20 PM, mark wrote:
Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I 
see from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.
I've cross-graded two C8 VMs over to AL8 and thus far smooth operation. 
I have NOT done any fresh installs (don't plan to, either, since new 
installs are all Debian now


+1

I did my estimate of what will last, so I don't have to jump my 
infrastructure through hoops and loops again soon, so my decision:


1. Debian

2. on machines that will require cuda: Ubuntu (Debian clone which will 
support NVIDIA proprietary stuff)


3. FreeBSD (all servers: jails on FreeBSD)


This decision will let me to not make fundamental changes soon. Not 
guaranteed, but I have good record of such decisions made by me in the past.


I hope, this helps somebody.


Valeri

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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[Lamar Owen]

On 4/5/21 12:20 PM, mark wrote:
Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I 
see from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.
I've cross-graded two C8 VMs over to AL8 and thus far smooth operation.  
I have NOT done any fresh installs (don't plan to, either, since new 
installs are all Debian now).  Do note the release notes specifically 
mention that Secure Boot is not supported yet, so be aware of that if 
you use SecureBoot.

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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[Ruslanas Gžibovskis]

wasn't it present under cloudlinux name with modifications compared to the
original RHEL/CentOS?
Also maintained by business unit, which might impact later changes when you
tight your prod to it. in that case looks like Rgular CentOS8-stream would
seem better idea with local package copy/snapshot

On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 19:21, mark  wrote:

> Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see
> from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.
>
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Re: [CentOS] almalinux?

[Peter Eckel via CentOS]

Hi Mark, 

> Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see from 
> over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.

yup. 

So far I upgraded a couple of test machines using the conversion tool they 
provided on GitHub (works fine, although it seems each and every package will 
be re-downloaded during the migration process which makes it a bit tedious), 
and I used my own KVM/virt-install/Kickstart/Ansible-Workflow to bring up one 
new server from scractch with no further change than swapping the ISO image for 
CentOS against the one for Alma 8.3.

Both procedures worked absolutely flawless, and so far I still have to find the 
first issue with any of the machines converted to or initially set up with 
AlmaLinux.

Caveat:

1. All of the machines I tried are VMs, no bare metal servers or VM hosts.
2. All of the machines are headless with no GUI installed at all.
3. No UEFI or Secure Boot (the latter is an open issue with Alma AFAIK).

On the other hand I did not need to change a single bit of Ansible code or 
Kickstart template in order to make it work, so the compatibility to CentOS 
seems to be very good.

Regards, 

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[CentOS] almalinux?

[mark]

Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see 
from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.


mark
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