Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM, PJ Welsh pjwe...@gmail.com wrote: The list is not deciding these matters. There is no vote. There is only situational reluctance to allow content by certain people. I think maybe that (potential) page hits could be a better metric than the seemingly random way we have now. I haven't really seen situations where people were denied complete access, just situations where there were some (maybe a tad harsh) discussions. IIRC. I think it is sad that this part of the CentOS community can not seem to allow good people to focus on the areas they can contribute. Or does not allow a member not contribute information that will help correctly and repeatedly and easily (aka spoon feed?) produce positive results with CentOS as the foundation OS. Where does that happen? Not enabling people to contribute, that is? Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 11:13 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: Would this do as a rule? If it is something 'supported' as in one will answer questions on it if it was asked on irc or the mailing list, then it can go on the wiki (sendmail, apache, postfix, samba, whatever comes with the Centos distro). If it won't be 'supported' then minimal documentation such as how to install from rpmforge can go on the wiki. No, I don't think so. Because many things which *come* with CentOS just work. There are many other things people use on CentOS - and which come from repositories like rpmforge, atrpms, epel or elrepo which are more or less advertised on the CentOS wiki - where someone had trouble setting it up and wrote some document about it. I don't think that we need documentation on how to install something from one of those repos via yum. In my opinion this documentation should at least contain a useful basic configuration, which can get people going on CentOS. If there is a need for cookbook recipes which also can be found elsewhere I don't know, but don't think so. But at least links to those recipes should be there. But before we go on, may I ask what is the purpose of the Centos Wiki? That is a good question. IM not so HO it should contain documentation which gets people going with things on CentOS. Which is a very broad view. Because people will *always* look for documentation on CentOS venues first before even thinking about going to the sendmail.org webpage, for example. Sendmail.org that is a joke! Configure sendmail to be HIPPA Compliant hehe... That should be on the wiki... That is one of the reasons why people like Distributions like Ubuntu, Arch and Gentoo - their documentation is rather extensive. Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Unless I misinterpreted, you're basically saying that to a writer they need to go work at the project they are documenting, not CentOS no, I agree that you have me right that I think content needs to first go at the proper trailhead in all cases Would this do as a rule? If it is something 'supported' as in one will answer questions on it if it was asked on irc or the mailing list, then it can go on the wiki (sendmail, apache, postfix, samba, whatever comes with the Centos distro). If it won't be 'supported' then minimal documentation such as how to install from rpmforge can go on the wiki. But before we go on, may I ask what is the purpose of the Centos Wiki? ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Hi again, It is perfectly reasonable that I argue to strive to make fewer forks and less content in the CentOS wiki under that rubric, as success means the future's primary source doco is better for _all_ FOSS approaches I think it's not that easy to handle. Let's take a look at another example: amavisd-new The original author of the application does not offer a platform for docs. There is a very good how to available on our wiki: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Amavisd explaining how to deal with this program. It covers a lot of configuration aspects that are not CentOS specific. Should this one be removed from the wiki, even if it helps a lot of ppl out there configuring the related components correctly? As mentioned before: Besides that I think that docs that are not available somewhere else in any form could as well be published on the CentOS wiki. This would even make more sense if they are centos-specific. Best Regards Marcus ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Hi again. Would this do as a rule? If it is something 'supported' as in one will answer questions on it if it was asked on irc or the mailing list, then it can go on the wiki (sendmail, apache, postfix, samba, whatever comes with the Centos distro). If it won't be 'supported' then minimal documentation such as how to install from rpmforge can go on the wiki. But before we go on, may I ask what is the purpose of the Centos Wiki? In conclusion of this thread (and all mentioned options) I have tried to outline what kind of content should be published on the wiki: http://wiki.centos.org/Contribute Feel free to comment and/or update. Best Regards Marcus ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Marcus Moeller wrote: Hi again. Would this do as a rule? If it is something 'supported' as in one will answer questions on it if it was asked on irc or the mailing list, then it can go on the wiki (sendmail, apache, postfix, samba, whatever comes with the Centos distro). If it won't be 'supported' then minimal documentation such as how to install from rpmforge can go on the wiki. But before we go on, may I ask what is the purpose of the Centos Wiki? In conclusion of this thread (and all mentioned options) I have tried to outline what kind of content should be published on the wiki: http://wiki.centos.org/Contribute Thank you Marcus. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: Would this do as a rule? If it is something 'supported' as in one will answer questions on it if it was asked on irc or the mailing list, then it can go on the wiki (sendmail, apache, postfix, samba, whatever comes with the Centos distro). If it won't be 'supported' then minimal documentation such as how to install from rpmforge can go on the wiki. No, I don't think so. Because many things which *come* with CentOS just work. There are many other things people use on CentOS - and which come from repositories like rpmforge, atrpms, epel or elrepo which are more or less advertised on the CentOS wiki - where someone had trouble setting it up and wrote some document about it. I don't think that we need documentation on how to install something from one of those repos via yum. In my opinion this documentation should at least contain a useful basic configuration, which can get people going on CentOS. If there is a need for cookbook recipes which also can be found elsewhere I don't know, but don't think so. But at least links to those recipes should be there. But before we go on, may I ask what is the purpose of the Centos Wiki? That is a good question. IM not so HO it should contain documentation which gets people going with things on CentOS. Which is a very broad view. Because people will *always* look for documentation on CentOS venues first before even thinking about going to the sendmail.org webpage, for example. That is one of the reasons why people like Distributions like Ubuntu, Arch and Gentoo - their documentation is rather extensive. Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Ralph Angenendt wrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Christopher Chan But before we go on, may I ask what is the purpose of the Centos Wiki? That is a good question. IM not so HO it should contain documentation which gets people going with things on CentOS. Which is a very broad view. Broad views are good IMHO as I think it's easier to address on a case by case basis largely as this list does at present by asking to see and discussing proposed documentation. Because people will *always* look for documentation on CentOS venues first before even thinking about going to the sendmail.org webpage, for example. That is one of the reasons why people like Distributions like Ubuntu, Arch and Gentoo - their documentation is rather extensive. Ralph Agreed :) ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Ned Slider n...@unixmail.co.uk wrote: ... Broad views are good IMHO as I think it's easier to address on a case by case basis largely as this list does at present by asking to see and discussing proposed documentation. ... The list is not deciding these matters. There is no vote. There is only situational reluctance to allow content by certain people. I think maybe that (potential) page hits could be a better metric than the seemingly random way we have now. Is there a greater possibility to have a new/continuing CentOS user be shown content that may spoon feed some and give comfort to others on a known good way to accomplish a task using CentOS? Like most have stated, Nagios, for example, is not trivial and overwhelming for most *and* the most recent Nagios Community CentOS 5.2 install is a 404 link (http://community.nagios.org/?s=install). I guess I should move on to Ubuntu or SLES If I google nagios install, I find a seemingly helpful Nagios 3 on CentOS: Quick Install Script. That looks promising! *But* it's all a bunch of make lines with no status checks... not exactly generally recommended procedures is you troll our CentOS mailing lists! So, what are they going to learn? Ubuntu has easy docs for install? SLES10 has rpms? Or a helpful install for a rock solid OS with long term support and a good community to back it up with bonuses like solid documentation and additional repos like epel and rpmforge and elrepo etc I think it is sad that this part of the CentOS community can not seem to allow good people to focus on the areas they can contribute. Or does not allow a member not contribute information that will help correctly and repeatedly and easily (aka spoon feed?) produce positive results with CentOS as the foundation OS. Dev peeps can be Dev peeps; forum helpers can be forum helpers (and spoon feeders), documentation peeps can do that. pjwelsh ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Hi List my question to everyone is. What is exactly wrong with having helpful documentation on the centos wiki? Does it really matter if the original maintainer documents his app. I for one love the fact i can search threw the wiki and get app#1 working and I also know the procedure has gone threw peer review and i am fairly comfortable it is secure practice. I for one contributed the Multi-Media portion and as many have called it pointless at one time or another All i know is my personal blog gets a few thousand hits per month and I can only imagine the centos wiki gets 100 times more hits. According to multiple post this document should not live on the wiki cause lets be honest 90% of the installed apps to get a full multimedia experience reside outside of what centos ships. I think any documentation is good. I agree maybe docs on how to use grep might be pointless in 90% of the user base but anything that simplifies or paints the nice picture adds to the community. I for one after seeing all the mess with the domain names and the funds and now the wiki feel like centos is imploding on itself. I believe the point of the wiki is un-official documentation and considering all of it is coming from users contributing it, who am i to say good or bad or pointless. I for one have found multiple items in the wiki helpful and believe that limiting content will turn more and more people away. my 2 cents which is not worth much if you factor in the exchange rate. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 20:45 +0200 schrieb Scott Robbins: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 01:27:42PM -0400, Max Hetrick wrote: Christoph Maser wrote: Btw. i really consider the current nagios article on the wiki bad. Its totally outdated and covers way to much info how to configure nagios itself. In my opinion this should be simply replaced by links to the official documentation since it is out of place and incomplete. The point of the article was exactly that. I'll have to disagree here, since the point of the guide is how to install and configure Nagios for basic use. I personally don't care if you edit it to your likes, but many people find it useful as it is, because Nagios can be quite complicated to use. Just as an example, when we first decided to try to institute nagios, I was going through the docs for two days, trying to make sense of them. Then I found Max's article (actually his original, on his site). If you *are* going to edit it, I truly hope you aren't going to make it more like the docs on the nagios site. So we should make a proper nagios documentation on the centos-wiki because the official nagios docs suck? financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert (CEO/Vorsitzender) | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 20:36 +0200 schrieb Scott Robbins: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 06:50:41PM +0200, Christoph Maser wrote: Done. I hope you incorporate The things Christoph Maser has mentioned and don't just add the one line from your first mail (which will break, when the box is relabeled). Ralph Btw. i really consider the current nagios article on the wiki bad. Its totally outdated and covers way to much info how to configure nagios itself. In my opinion this should be simply replaced by links to the official documentation since it is out of place and incomplete. I must respectfully disagree. Nagios documentation is not well laid out. I know that the nagios docs suck, and actually everything around nagios. But what does that have to do with centos? And why don't you contribute to the nagios docs? The nagios-wiki (http://wkiki.nagios.org) is totally orphaned also! financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert (CEO/Vorsitzender) | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Hi all, I know that the nagios docs suck, and actually everything around nagios. But what does that have to do with centos? And why don't you contribute to the nagios docs? The nagios-wiki (http://wkiki.nagios.org) is totally orphaned also! I personally agree on that. We have similar issues with the Spacewalk documentation (another thread :?). It would be great to have something like an installation guide covering the CentOS specific aspects and links to the upstream docs. For Spacewalk e.g., I have started to improve the 'official' upstream docs a bit (which are already quite good), instead of re-generating content. Best Regards Marcus ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Christoph Maser wrote: So we should make a proper nagios documentation on the centos-wiki because the official nagios docs suck? No, but I don't see that it's a problem that it's on the CentOS wiki. There are lots of guides on the wiki that aren't exactly CentOS specific, so does that mean we should scrap those as well? What's the point of an OS, especially a server OS, that you can't extend on with other open source applications? The CentOS wiki serves as a wonderful place to store things that allow CentOS users and admins to come to one location and have resources and tools at their disposal, without having to go digging around the web finding what they need. That's the entire point of the wiki, so share, and so this CentOS specific topic that comes up all the time, I have a hard time with. It's already been suggested to split the doc out into pieces. Everyone seemed to agree that was fine. If that's what everyone wants to do, then go for it, make the changes, and let this end. Arguing back and forth about this is silly though. Usually people are complaining that docs are lacking in detail, here people are complaining they are too detailed. I'm confused... :| Regards, Max ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
The true URL: http://wiki.nagios.org Regards: FRamonTB --- El jue, 17/9/09, Christoph Maser c...@financial.com escribió: De: Christoph Maser c...@financial.com Asunto: Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2 Para: Mail list for wiki articles centos-docs@centos.org Fecha: jueves, 17 septiembre, 2009 8:12 Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 20:36 +0200 schrieb Scott Robbins: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 06:50:41PM +0200, Christoph Maser wrote: Done. I hope you incorporate The things Christoph Maser has mentioned and don't just add the one line from your first mail (which will break, when the box is relabeled). Ralph Btw. i really consider the current nagios article on the wiki bad. Its totally outdated and covers way to much info how to configure nagios itself. In my opinion this should be simply replaced by links to the official documentation since it is out of place and incomplete. I must respectfully disagree. Nagios documentation is not well laid out. I know that the nagios docs suck, and actually everything around nagios. But what does that have to do with centos? And why don't you contribute to the nagios docs? The nagios-wiki (http://wkiki.nagios.org) is totally orphaned also! financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert (CEO/Vorsitzender) | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On 09/16/2009 07:13 PM, Max Hetrick wrote: In my experience with working with Nagios, the problem that always came up was that people didn't know where to even start because there were too many options, and they were overwhelmed. I totally agree. Having enough content in one place so that someone can pickup with things, get it installed and also be able to work through enough things to be productive is good. Too many places fall flat on their face when its a case of look here to install, look there to workout whats going on and look somewhere else for the final grained stuff. Once you know enough about an app or technology its easier to find specific problems(!) or specific solutions(!). I feel it's important to have that information on the wiki, even though it's not CentOS specific. It's asked for a lot and used. Splitting it up would make sense. Right, the thread here seemed to be heading down the path of 'too much stuff' - whereas I think its more of a case of organising things. The other thing, and I feel not enough people keep this in mind, is that with the EL / CentOS platform its important to keep content and app sanity in mind. Upstream's dont like that - samba being a classic case. On the flip side you have pgsql where the upstream is very pro single 'silo' based docs, code and apps. In many cases, the content we put together needs to be there and stay there in a way that its still relevant to the apps that are in the distro - whereas upstreams will, like samba, mostly just move their content up with trunk changes in code. That works for many people and in many scenarios, not always. So keep that in mind guys. Its not a bad thing to have enough content in place that its still in some stable format. And every contributor would need to consider that in the context of the app itself. But in many cases, you will realise that its worth putting together enough things that are relevant to the code we handle, and only to he code we handle. URL's and 'futher reading' sections are easy to plumb into the end of most articles too. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522...@icq ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On 09/17/2009 07:07 AM, Christoph Maser wrote: So we should make a proper nagios documentation on the centos-wiki because the official nagios docs suck? Read my last email in reply to Max. Things are not really that black and white. Nagios docs suck. Their developers have made it a point to go out of their way to make content and config process's obscure. The reason why its still used as widely as it is - is because of the alternative support mechanisms that exist, and a bit of luck. On a more general front - are we sure that all docs on the Nagios website are relevant to CentOS and as specific packages age, will continue to do so ? eg. CentOS-3, is a much used platform - are the docs they host at nagios still relevant ? are the latest / greatest builds still supported on the C3 platform ? Irrespective of what the answers to those questions might be - consider the same question on a more generic level. Do all upstreams everywhere always have relevant content and will help with any version from anywhere ? On the completely extreme ( and I say this here only to prove a point, I am sure you will understand that ), would you argue that the redhat docs are also a waste of effort and they should - as well, just upstream much of what they do ? if not all. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522...@icq ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On 09/17/2009 07:31 AM, Marcus Moeller wrote: I personally agree on that. We have similar issues with the Spacewalk documentation (another thread :?). It would be great to have something like an installation guide covering the CentOS specific aspects and links to the upstream docs. Thats interesting - since much of the spacewalk development happens on CentOS and there are quite a few different places where its documented. Also, I dont think its a fair comparison Nagios and Spacewalk. Spacewalk is specifically targetting the EL/CentOS base and in many cases there is synergy there between upstream, users and the leechers around it. Nagios has no such relation to the CentOS project. but then thats a point you highlight already: For Spacewalk e.g., I have started to improve the 'official' upstream docs a bit (which are already quite good), instead of re-generating content. Btw, there is also an effort underway to have a centos specific spacewalk repo hosted on centos.org to make life even easier. At that point, where would you document the install and getting started ? Would you not atleast consider a stub on the CentOS wiki that gives people the relevant kick-off they need ? -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522...@icq ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Dear Karan. For Spacewalk e.g., I have started to improve the 'official' upstream docs a bit (which are already quite good), instead of re-generating content. Btw, there is also an effort underway to have a centos specific spacewalk repo hosted on centos.org to make life even easier. At that point, where would you document the install and getting started ? Would you not atleast consider a stub on the CentOS wiki that gives people the relevant kick-off they need ? In this case I would simply suggest not to setup a CentOS specific spacewalk repo (for what?). Besides that I think that docs that are not available somewhere else in any form could as well be published on the CentOS wiki. This would even make more sense if they are centos-specific. So I am a bit disappointed (but can understand) ppl. like Max who already contributed high quality docs in the past are re-signing from contributing to the wiki (just because one or two other guys have a different pov). I have also suggested that docs like the CentOS specific owlriver rpm howtos (http://www.owlriver.com/tips/non-root/) could as well resist on the CentOS wiki. But it's not my decision. Best Regards Marcus ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Marcus Moeller wrote: So I am a bit disappointed (but can understand) ppl. like Max who already contributed high quality docs in the past are re-signing from contributing to the wiki (just because one or two other guys have a different pov). I have also suggested that docs like the CentOS specific owlriver rpm howtos (http://www.owlriver.com/tips/non-root/) could as well resist on the CentOS wiki. But it's not my decision. The problem is to me, and the reason I decided I don't want to contribute any longer, is the fact that you have CentOS team members not agreeing on a format for content. You have one or two saying they want it this way, and you have some saying it should be this way. You have one team member stating they believe writers should go upstream for all documentation purposes, and then another saying no. The problem with that is the fact that it's not realistic to take that approach, because not all projects are going to be willing to fix their documentation upstream. That's the reason why I write things that I write. To make it easier on admins and users to get the application going, and then if they want to further learn, tackle more complex documentation. That's the exact reason the Nagios guide exists in the first place. When I started working with it, I had trouble learning it. I decided to make that experience better for others and write a howto. To go off-topic, as a side job, I write publications with this exact approach and get paid for it. My articles there are exactly that, called TechTips. I take a piece of software, or a topic, and write a technical tip meant to get the reader/user up and running. Part of my success there has been because I take a how-to approach to the guides, which the readers love. From there, they can expand their horizons with documentation all they want for more complex issues. Obviously there is a need for such articles, because they pay me and tell me as such. :) They're in the business of documentation and articles, so they should know. Most people always want a more simple way of understanding a concept, rather than diving into code documentation, or this case, Nagios' cryptic and overwhelming docs. To continue about the wiki, the problem for contributors like myself then becomes, well what do I do, or how should I write for them. Although I often times enjoy the democracy of opinions on the docs list, it becomes confusing for a contributor when you have team members disagreeing in public forum. One time a topic of post is ok'd to be put on, the next time then it's criticized and not ok. There is no consistency for authors and contributors, and I really believe that needs worked out within. What really needs to occur is that the team members really need to agree on, and publish on the site, some standards that ALL the team members can agree on. At that level, all of these issues could be ironed out, to hopefully create a set of standards of acceptable content. Then these types of conversations and arguments won't need to occur, or in theory shouldn't need to occur. Perhaps I'm dreaming here to think that everyone on the team can do so, but I think something like that needs to happen one way or the other, because eventually, no one is going to want to post on the wiki for these reasons. Perhaps I'm out of line here, and perhaps I'm going on and on in a diatribe, but this is my opinion on the matter, and my further detailed reasons for not wanting the headache of contributing any longer. Regards, Max ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
R P Herrold wrote: if you are referring to me, your projection into what I wrote has mislead you. Well, I was kind of referring to what you said here: If people want to write content, they NEED TO GO TO FEDORA, or the upstream, and get patches accepted, so the changes flow back down in our future. Go work at the trailhead, not in an upstream project's past (here Nagios). Unless I misinterpreted, you're basically saying that to a writer they need to go work at the project they are documenting, not CentOS. But I disagree and feel you are wrong. The power of the CentOS wiki should be that it's the one-stop shop for admins searching for a powerful rock solid OS that has CentOS-specific documentation, PLUS one that has all these extra types of applications listed with documentation as well. A server admin or user gets the best of both worlds, and as already stated, has one place to look for resources, instead of following links to various pieces all over the Internet. To me, the point of a wiki is to share. I understand your view is different, our views are different. Please, by all means, explain if that is not what you meant. That's what I took it as. For the rest of it, I pretty much already explained myself, and Scott hits the nail on the head. You, being a team member, need to sit down with the other team members and figure out what you want on the wiki, create guidelines, and post them for others to follow. Your vision of what the wiki should be is different than mine, fine, you're obviously higher on the totem pole than I, so I'll just leave and take my docs with me. It's that attitude that I don't understand, and why others don't want to deal with it. The CentOS team and wiki needs to find some consistency. Then, contributors can have something to look at to decide if their content fits. This would fix the issue of causing these wars and angering others. You would have the standards in place, and guidelines outlining what can and will get posted. To be honest, I'm plenty busy in life, I don't need to worry about whether one of my articles or guides is going to tick off a CentOS team member, or please another. This is exactly why folks are leaving the project though, and it's a problem that should be resolved before you have no one left wanting to work on the wiki. With that said, I really have no further comments on the this topic. I'll quit before I wear out my welcome. I've said my peace, explained why I won't be helping further, and truly hope you guys/gals figure out something before the no one wants to work on the wiki. Regards, Max ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Martin Boel, Silverbullet b...@silverbullet.dk wrote: Hi username: MartinBoel Please grant me access. Done. I hope you incorporate The things Christoph Maser has mentioned and don't just add the one line from your first mail (which will break, when the box is relabeled). Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 15:19 +0200 schrieb Ralph Angenendt: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Martin Boel, Silverbullet b...@silverbullet.dk wrote: Hi username: MartinBoel Please grant me access. Done. I hope you incorporate The things Christoph Maser has mentioned and don't just add the one line from your first mail (which will break, when the box is relabeled). Ralph Btw. i really consider the current nagios article on the wiki bad. Its totally outdated and covers way to much info how to configure nagios itself. In my opinion this should be simply replaced by links to the official documentation since it is out of place and incomplete. Chris financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert (CEO/Vorsitzender) | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Christoph Maser wrote: Btw. i really consider the current nagios article on the wiki bad. Its totally outdated and covers way to much info how to configure nagios itself. In my opinion this should be simply replaced by links to the official documentation since it is out of place and incomplete. The point of the article was exactly that. I'll have to disagree here, since the point of the guide is how to install and configure Nagios for basic use. I personally don't care if you edit it to your likes, but many people find it useful as it is, because Nagios can be quite complicated to use. Feel free to edit the article, however, if you remove too much, please delete my name from the top of the article, though. I know the article is a bit out of date, but the basic principals of Nagios still function the same. I've not had time the last year to go through and re-write it to newer versions of Nagios. Probably all of my docs could use touch-ups, but some personal issues this past year has prevented me from doing so. Again, feel free to change, add, delete irrelevant parts, etc. That's the point of the wiki, for others to add and change things. :) Regards, Max ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Christoph Maser c...@financial.com wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 15:19 +0200 schrieb Ralph Angenendt: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Martin Boel, Silverbullet b...@silverbullet.dk wrote: Hi username: MartinBoel Please grant me access. Done. I hope you incorporate The things Christoph Maser has mentioned and don't just add the one line from your first mail (which will break, when the box is relabeled). Ralph Btw. i really consider the current nagios article on the wiki bad. Its totally outdated and covers way to much info how to configure nagios itself. In my opinion this should be simply replaced by links to the official documentation since it is out of place and incomplete. Chris financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert (CEO/Vorsitzender) | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs It might be simpler to just have a tutorial that uses the package that is available from rpmforge. I have already written such a tutorial and it receives several hundred hits each month. Its also the second result in Google if you search for install nagios centos. Just a thought. Matt -- Mathew S. McCarrell Clarkson University '10 mccar...@gmail.com mccar...@clarkson.edu 1-518-314-9214 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Mathew S. McCarrell wrote: It might be simpler to just have a tutorial that uses the package that is available from rpmforge. I have already written such a tutorial and it receives several hundred hits each month. Its also the second result in Google if you search for install nagios centos. This article does use the RPMForge installation packages. Regards, Max ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 19:34 +0200 schrieb Mathew S. McCarrell: It might be simpler to just have a tutorial that uses the package that is available from rpmforge. I have already written such a tutorial and it receives several hundred hits each month. Its also the second result in Google if you search for install nagios centos. Just a thought. Matt This one? http://docs.cslabs.clarkson.edu/wiki/Install_Nagios_on_CentOS_5 This is what i really think it should like! financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert (CEO/Vorsitzender) | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Christoph Maser c...@financial.com wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 19:34 +0200 schrieb Mathew S. McCarrell: It might be simpler to just have a tutorial that uses the package that is available from rpmforge. I have already written such a tutorial and it receives several hundred hits each month. Its also the second result in Google if you search for install nagios centos. Just a thought. Matt This one? http://docs.cslabs.clarkson.edu/wiki/Install_Nagios_on_CentOS_5 This is what i really think it should like! Yes, that is the one. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On 09/16/2009 06:44 PM, Max Hetrick wrote: I've not read your guide, but perhaps both could be united to make one that's current and suitable for everyone's needs. Just a thought too. :) How about splitting it up into 'Install Guide' and a 'Recommended first steps'. Having used Nagios ( or does Nagios use us ? ) I know there are a million different ways to set things up. And only a few people really need to get down and understand eveyrthing about every option. so how about just creating a 'recommended start point' and have a few config snippets. That would then open up for a third page option, which can be focused around 'best practises' that might be CentOS specific. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522...@icq ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 20:05 +0200 schrieb Karanbir Singh: On 09/16/2009 06:44 PM, Max Hetrick wrote: I've not read your guide, but perhaps both could be united to make one that's current and suitable for everyone's needs. Just a thought too. :) How about splitting it up into 'Install Guide' and a 'Recommended first steps'. +1 As i already proposed... financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert (CEO/Vorsitzender) | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Karanbir Singh wrote: How about splitting it up into 'Install Guide' and a 'Recommended first steps'. Having used Nagios ( or does Nagios use us ? ) I know there are a million different ways to set things up. And only a few people really need to get down and understand eveyrthing about every option. so how about just creating a 'recommended start point' and have a few config snippets. That would then open up for a third page option, which can be focused around 'best practises' that might be CentOS specific. I think Nagios uses us. Agreed. I've been using Nagios for a long time, and I still don't have all the options down, as I don't need to use them all. When I need something, I go to the docs and look up more specific things. In my experience with working with Nagios, the problem that always came up was that people didn't know where to even start because there were too many options, and they were overwhelmed. Thus the reason I wrote the guide in the first place, to serve as a stepping stone to get it up and running with some basic checks, then go digging in the docs. I feel it's important to have that information on the wiki, even though it's not CentOS specific. It's asked for a lot and used. Splitting it up would make sense. +1 Sounds good to me. Max ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 06:50:41PM +0200, Christoph Maser wrote: Done. I hope you incorporate The things Christoph Maser has mentioned and don't just add the one line from your first mail (which will break, when the box is relabeled). Ralph Btw. i really consider the current nagios article on the wiki bad. Its totally outdated and covers way to much info how to configure nagios itself. In my opinion this should be simply replaced by links to the official documentation since it is out of place and incomplete. I must respectfully disagree. Nagios documentation is not well laid out. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Xander: And they say that young people don't learn anything in high school nowadays, but I've learned to be afraid. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 01:27:42PM -0400, Max Hetrick wrote: Christoph Maser wrote: Btw. i really consider the current nagios article on the wiki bad. Its totally outdated and covers way to much info how to configure nagios itself. In my opinion this should be simply replaced by links to the official documentation since it is out of place and incomplete. The point of the article was exactly that. I'll have to disagree here, since the point of the guide is how to install and configure Nagios for basic use. I personally don't care if you edit it to your likes, but many people find it useful as it is, because Nagios can be quite complicated to use. Just as an example, when we first decided to try to institute nagios, I was going through the docs for two days, trying to make sense of them. Then I found Max's article (actually his original, on his site). If you *are* going to edit it, I truly hope you aren't going to make it more like the docs on the nagios site. Feel free to edit the article, however, if you remove too much, please delete my name from the top of the article, though. Y'know, it's impossible to look at the nagios docs objectively now because (thanks to Max, and no, he's not paying me) :) I know it too well. However, I vividly remmeber the first time I looked at their pages and thought, How am I going to figure this out. Max did it right. They did it wrong. I don't consider myself stupid, nor a computer novice, but I'm someone who had no experience of Nagios--additionally, I'm more used to BSD documentation, which seems to be higher quality. Just my opinion, but... -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Xander: Are you ready to get down, you funky party weasel? ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 07:58:20PM +0200, Christoph Maser wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 19:34 +0200 schrieb Mathew S. McCarrell: This one? http://docs.cslabs.clarkson.edu/wiki/Install_Nagios_on_CentOS_5 This is what i really think it should like! You're serious? That's typical Linux documentation, basically useless. Sigh, yet another blow for MS's TOC argument. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Wicca girl: We come together, daughters of Gaia, sisters to the moon. We walk with the darkness, the wolf at our side. Through the waterfall of power, to the blackest heart of eternity. I think we should have a bake sale. ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Scott Robbins wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 07:58:20PM +0200, Christoph Maser wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 19:34 +0200 schrieb Mathew S. McCarrell: This one? http://docs.cslabs.clarkson.edu/wiki/Install_Nagios_on_CentOS_5 This is what i really think it should like! You're serious? That's typical Linux documentation, basically useless. Sigh, yet another blow for MS's TOC argument. Heh. Maybe some effort in the nagios documentation would be better than Centos having to er work around their documentation? ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Am Dienstag, den 15.09.2009, 09:21 +0200 schrieb Martin Boel, Silverbullet: Hi Thanks for you reply. I guess this should be fixed i the next nagios package or next centos version, but for now the public should be told about a workaround, that works with the current versions. There is quite a lot of work hours in this simple workaround, and some people may simply give up using this fantastic software. Please grant me access. Regards Martin Boel I'm sure you will be granted access. Still i don't believe this is reallly working. I will try it out. financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert (CEO/Vorsitzender) | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 09:21 +0200, Martin Boel, Silverbullet wrote: Hi Thanks for you reply. I guess this should be fixed i the next nagios package or next centos version, but for now the public should be told about a workaround, that works with the current versions. There is quite a lot of work hours in this simple workaround, and some people may simply give up using this fantastic software. Please grant me access. If possible please change your Username to MartinBoel, so we have consistency across the wiki. Cheers, Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Am Dienstag, den 15.09.2009, 09:21 +0200 schrieb Martin Boel, Silverbullet: Hi Thanks for you reply. I guess this should be fixed i the next nagios package or next centos version, but for now the public should be told about a workaround, that works with the current versions. There is quite a lot of work hours in this simple workaround, and some people may simply give up using this fantastic software. Please grant me access. Regards Martin Boel Ok just as i thought, your solution kind of works until someone does: # restorecon -v /usr/bin/nagios restorecon reset /usr/bin/nagios context system_u:object_r:file_t:s0-system_u:object_r:nagios_exec_t:s0 # /etc/init.d/nagios restart Running configuration check... CONFIG ERROR! Restart aborted. Check your Nagios configuration. This context is set somewhere in centos-provided selinux configs. Not by me! # grep -r nagios /etc/selinux/* Gives a really long list affecting logfiles and plugins. So you solution is not really failsafe. financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert (CEO/Vorsitzender) | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 16:11 +0200, Martin Boel, Silverbullet wrote: Hi I would like to contribute to the wiki.centos.org: username: boel Hmmm. We really do prefer FirstnameLastname. subject: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2 location: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Nagios content: A security feature of centos 5.2 SELinux prevents the access from the apache httpd server to the needed /var/nagios files. The error manifests itself in the /var/log/messages as SELinux is preventing the tac.cgi from using potentially mislabeled files ./status.dat (var_t). A workaround is to execute the command: chcon -R httpd_sys_content_t /var/nagios Is that still the case in 5.3? Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Am Montag, den 14.09.2009, 16:15 +0200 schrieb Ralph Angenendt: On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 16:11 +0200, Martin Boel, Silverbullet wrote: Hi I would like to contribute to the wiki.centos.org: username: boel Hmmm. We really do prefer FirstnameLastname. subject: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2 location: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Nagios content: A security feature of centos 5.2 SELinux prevents the access from the apache httpd server to the needed /var/nagios files. The error manifests itself in the /var/log/messages as SELinux is preventing the tac.cgi from using potentially mislabeled files ./status.dat (var_t). A workaround is to execute the command: chcon -R httpd_sys_content_t /var/nagios Is that still the case in 5.3? Ralph And also does that solve all problems with nagios? What about plugin execution or external command files? I rather think you should use the contexts - system_u:object_r:nagios_log_t:s0 - system_u:object_r:nagios_spool_t:s0 - system_u:object_r:nagios_exec_t:s0 - system_u:object_r:nrpe_etc_t:s0 - system_u:object_r:httpd_nagios_script_exec_t:s0 Actually it would be propably up to me to set these correctly in the rpmforge package Maybe some selinux guru can help me out? financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert (CEO/Vorsitzender) | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Martin Boel, Silverbullet wrote: Hi I would like to contribute to the wiki.centos.org: username: boel subject: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2 location: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Nagios content: A security feature of centos 5.2 SELinux prevents the access from the apache httpd server to the needed /var/nagios files. The error manifests itself in the /var/log/messages as SELinux is preventing the tac.cgi from using potentially mislabeled files ./status.dat (var_t). A workaround is to execute the command: chcon -R httpd_sys_content_t /var/nagios When I wrote the Nagios guide, it was easier and recommended to just turn SELinux off before going about installing and using Nagios. Seems that the Nagios doc site has some information now in regards to SELinux, but I never went back to visit that topic. http://wiki.nagios.org/index.php/Selinux Perhaps these can be incorporated into the guide if they are verified to work? Regards, Max ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
Am Montag, den 14.09.2009, 16:37 +0200 schrieb Ralph Angenendt: On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 16:24 +0200, Christoph Maser wrote: Am Montag, den 14.09.2009, 16:15 +0200 schrieb Ralph Angenendt: On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 16:11 +0200, Martin Boel, Silverbullet wrote: workaround is to execute the command: chcon -R httpd_sys_content_t /var/nagios Is that still the case in 5.3? And also does that solve all problems with nagios? What about plugin execution or external command files? I rather think you should use the contexts - system_u:object_r:nagios_log_t:s0 - system_u:object_r:nagios_spool_t:s0 - system_u:object_r:nagios_exec_t:s0 - system_u:object_r:nrpe_etc_t:s0 - system_u:object_r:httpd_nagios_script_exec_t:s0 Actually it would be propably up to me to set these correctly in the rpmforge package Maybe some selinux guru can help me out? I'd say take a sneak peak into Fedoraland, but their SELinux is a tad more advanced than what we have. You know that you'd have to write a *complete* policy for containing Nagios that way? Can nagios even be seen as its own application deserving its own domain or isn't much of nagios run from apache anyway which would mean that you'd need the apache policies in place? Ralph Erm these contexts already are in CentOS. So i guess the policy is too... financial.com AG Munich head office/Hauptsitz München: Maria-Probst-Str. 19 | 80939 München | Germany Frankfurt branch office/Niederlassung Frankfurt: Messeturm | Friedrich-Ebert-Anlage 49 | 60327 Frankfurt | Germany Management board/Vorstand: Dr. Steffen Boehnert (CEO/Vorsitzender) | Dr. Alexis Eisenhofer | Dr. Yann Samson | Matthias Wiederwach Supervisory board/Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Dr. Ernst zur Linden (chairman/Vorsitzender) Register court/Handelsregister: Munich – HRB 128 972 | Sales tax ID number/St.Nr.: DE205 370 553 ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Contribution to wiki: nagios incompatibility with centos 5.2
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 16:24 +0200, Christoph Maser wrote: Am Montag, den 14.09.2009, 16:15 +0200 schrieb Ralph Angenendt: On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 16:11 +0200, Martin Boel, Silverbullet wrote: workaround is to execute the command: chcon -R httpd_sys_content_t /var/nagios Is that still the case in 5.3? And also does that solve all problems with nagios? What about plugin execution or external command files? I rather think you should use the contexts - system_u:object_r:nagios_log_t:s0 - system_u:object_r:nagios_spool_t:s0 - system_u:object_r:nagios_exec_t:s0 - system_u:object_r:nrpe_etc_t:s0 - system_u:object_r:httpd_nagios_script_exec_t:s0 Actually it would be propably up to me to set these correctly in the rpmforge package Maybe some selinux guru can help me out? I'd say take a sneak peak into Fedoraland, but their SELinux is a tad more advanced than what we have. You know that you'd have to write a *complete* policy for containing Nagios that way? Can nagios even be seen as its own application deserving its own domain or isn't much of nagios run from apache anyway which would mean that you'd need the apache policies in place? Ralph ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
