RE: [KCFusion] Yesterday's meeting
Even though I haven't really used it, everything I've read and heard tells me it offers real benefits in terms of consistency, control and possibly even reliability. What's not clear to me yet is whether Fusebox offers a certain amount of creative flexibility? In other words, if you divide your app into smaller units, does it become more granular and easier to manipulate? Matthew? Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator VantageMed Operations (Kansas City) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Smith, Jim Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:58 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [KCFusion] Yesterday's meeting Would you folks recommend using Fusebox? -Original Message- From: Matthew W Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:58 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [KCFusion] Yesterday's meeting Thank you for allowing me to share 5 minutes :o) of fusebox stuff, if you have any questions about what we talked about, feel free to ask. If I didn't specifically address the questions you had, I apologize, and will help in any way I can. Here again are the links that I gave you, if you are interested. http://www.fusebox.org Fusebox home http://www.secretagents.com 24/48 hour coding http://www.halhelms.com great resource for training/sample code (also has a link to the fusebox mailing list on topica) __ The KCFusion.org list and website is hosted by Humankind Systems, Inc. List Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-list@kcfusion.org Questions, Comments or Glowing Praise.. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [KCFusion] Yesterday's meeting
There are a number of factors that help improve your creative flexibility. One being the availability of nested layouts, allowing you to take any concept of skins to a slightly higher level, allowing for basically a nesting of skins. Fusebox does not intend to prescribe how you perform your logic, just more of how it is organized. Yes, it does become easier to manipulate. More specifically, if the organization of my system is utilizing the fusebox methodology, The consistency provided with such, allows other developers to more easily trace the path to discover where changes need to be made. In essence, you basically end up with a road map at the end. Based on the action you need to modify, you can look in your switch statement (fbx_switch.cfm) to see which files are included. From there you can weed out the files that you don't need to modify. Whether it is a display, action, query, whatever (you know what type of logic is contained in each file), also if you are utilizing fusedocs, you can quickly see what variables the template you are modifying has available. This code separation is a little overwhelming at first, but here is the kicker (if you are not comfortable breaking it into so many files, don't!) But I am quite sure, you will see more advantages by breaking it up into more files. here is a simple example: Say I have a small circuit that is for logging a user in and out I might have the fuseactions(the way you break up your fuseactions is up to you): login (just a login form) process (process the login) logout (process the logout) forgot (display the forgotten password form) process (Database Manipulation) processforgotten (process the forgotten password) My fbx_Switch.cfm might look like this: cfswitch expression = #fusebox.fuseaction# cfcase value=home,main,login cfset attributes.xfa.submit = loginout.process --- identifies where my form will go cfinclude template=dsp_corporate_info.cfm --- some display crap cfinclude template=dsp_messages.cfm--- display any messages cfinclude template=dsp_login_form.cfm --- display form /cfcase cfcase value=process cfset attributes.xfa.failedlogin = loginout.login --- identifies where I will go on failure cfset attributes.xfa.successfullogin = mymainapp.home --- identifies where I will go on success cfinclude template=act_login_validate.cfm --- Server side validation cfinclude template=qry_login.cfm --- query for login cfinclude template=act_set_login.cfm--- set up whatever vars i need to set up for login /cfcase cfcase value=logout cfset attributes.xfa.failedlogout = loginout.login --- identifies where I will go on failure cfset attributes.xfa.successfullogout = loginout.login --- identifies where I will go on success cfinclude template=act_logout.cfm --- performs logout process /cfcase cfcase value=forgot cfinclude template=dsp_forgot.cfm --- display my forgotten form /cfcase cfcase value=processforgotten cfset attributes.xfa.failedforgotten = loginout.login --- identifies where I will go on failure cfset attributes.xfa.successfulforgotten = loginout.login --- identifies where I will go on success cfinclude template=act_forgot_validate.cfm --- server side validation of form cfinclude template=qry_forgot.cfm --- query for forgotten info cfinclude template=act_email_forgot.cfm --- email information /cfcase cfdefaultcase cfoutput I received a fuseaction called BFONT COLOR=66#fusebox.fuseaction#/FONT/B that circuit BFONT COLOR=66#fusebox.circuit#/FONT/B doesn't have a handler for. /cfoutput /cfdefaultcase /cfswitch more to follow... -Original Message- From: Keith Purtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [KCFusion] Yesterday's meeting Even though I haven't really used it, everything I've read and heard tells me it offers real benefits in terms of consistency, control and possibly even reliability. What's not clear to me yet is whether Fusebox offers a certain amount of creative flexibility? In other words, if you divide your app into smaller units, does it become more granular and easier to manipulate? Matthew? Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator VantageMed Operations (Kansas City) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -Original Message- From:
RE: [KCFusion] Yesterday's meeting
Fusebox is ColdFusion Code. Neo should run with your current coldfusion code. if it doesn't, then it won't run with fusebox, until fusebox is modified. Currently there are core fusebox 3 files compatible with cf4, cf4.5, cf5, and cf4.5 on *nix and cf5 on *nix As well as versions for asp, php, and jsp -Original Message- From: Smith, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:47 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [KCFusion] Yesterday's meeting What about it breaking with future versions of ColdFusion? Is that a concern or not? -Original Message- From: Ryan Hartwich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [KCFusion] Yesterday's meeting After listening to Matthew discuss Fusebox 3.0, I would recommend using it. One of the most disconcerting aspects of my job is the lack of a standard programming style. My background is in Mechanical Engineering, and while I have a significant amount of programming experience and college level training, I have very little experience in 'standard' programming methodologies. Sure, I understand top down, bottom up, etc., but working in a very small casual non IT company has not helped foster proper programming styles. With an obvious learning curve and adjustment period, I think Fusebox could be a significant benefit to people. Even if your organization decides to not use Fusebox 3.0, you might gain some significant benefits by learning and using parts of the specification. FYI, It sounds like Fusebox 3.0 has enough significant changes and enhancements over the older 1, 2, 2 extended versions that if you are going to start programming, do so using 3.0 only. Ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Smith, Jim Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:58 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [KCFusion] Yesterday's meeting Would you folks recommend using Fusebox? __ The KCFusion.org list and website is hosted by Humankind Systems, Inc. List Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-list@kcfusion.org Questions, Comments or Glowing Praise.. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ The KCFusion.org list and website is hosted by Humankind Systems, Inc. List Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-list@kcfusion.org Questions, Comments or Glowing Praise.. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ The KCFusion.org list and website is hosted by Humankind Systems, Inc. List Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-list@kcfusion.org Questions, Comments or Glowing Praise.. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [KCFusion] Yesterday's meeting
studio, notepad or wordpad -Original Message- From: Smith, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:12 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [KCFusion] Yesterday's meeting Do you use Dreamweaver or Studio or something else? And thanks for the information. -Original Message- From: Matthew W Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:06 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [KCFusion] Yesterday's meeting Now, using this previous stuff, I move my cool login/out circuit to another application We need to look at the map (fbx_switch) I can now modify the variables in attributes.xfa (that stands for eXit FuseAction for those wondering) if I want success or failure to go somewhere else. I would need to look in my query files and make sure they are hitting accurate tables/fields If I don't want to display something that I divided out, ie. display messages in login action then i comment it out or remove it. If I need to add some extra processing for this site I add an include in the processing action, and I still have a map of this circuit, I can also tell by the prefix, what type of logic is contained. dsp_ display logic, very little, if any coldfusion logic. Even then, only logic that affects display. act_ action pages, no display in here, just coldfusion logic qry_ query pages, contains query(ies) and may contain query specific logic url_ I don't use these but some do, for relocations xxx_ you don't have to use these types if you don't want to, it just makes life easier Responding to: Say I have a small circuit that is for logging a user in and out I might have the fuseactions(the way you break up your fuseactions is up to you): login (just a login form) process (process the login) logout (process the logout) forgot (display the forgotten password form) process (Database Manipulation) processforgotten (process the forgotten password) My fbx_Switch.cfm might look like this: cfswitch expression = #fusebox.fuseaction# cfcase value=home,main,login cfset attributes.xfa.submit = loginout.process --- identifies where my form will go cfinclude template=dsp_corporate_info.cfm --- some display crap cfinclude template=dsp_messages.cfm--- display any messages cfinclude template=dsp_login_form.cfm --- display form /cfcase cfcase value=process cfset attributes.xfa.failedlogin = loginout.login --- identifies where I will go on failure cfset attributes.xfa.successfullogin = mymainapp.home --- identifies where I will go on success cfinclude template=act_login_validate.cfm --- Server side validation cfinclude template=qry_login.cfm --- query for login cfinclude template=act_set_login.cfm--- set up whatever vars i need to set up for login /cfcase cfcase value=logout cfset attributes.xfa.failedlogout = loginout.login --- identifies where I will go on failure cfset attributes.xfa.successfullogout = loginout.login --- identifies where I will go on success cfinclude template=act_logout.cfm --- performs logout process /cfcase cfcase value=forgot cfinclude template=dsp_forgot.cfm --- display my forgotten form /cfcase cfcase value=processforgotten cfset attributes.xfa.failedforgotten = loginout.login --- identifies where I will go on failure cfset attributes.xfa.successfulforgotten = loginout.login --- identifies where I will go on success cfinclude template=act_forgot_validate.cfm --- server side validation of form cfinclude template=qry_forgot.cfm --- query for forgotten info cfinclude template=act_email_forgot.cfm --- email information /cfcase cfdefaultcase cfoutput I received a fuseaction called BFONT COLOR=66#fusebox.fuseaction#/FONT/B that circuit BFONT COLOR=66#fusebox.circuit#/FONT/B doesn't have a handler for. /cfoutput /cfdefaultcase /cfswitch more to follow... -Original Message- From: Keith Purtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [KCFusion] Yesterday's meeting Even though I haven't really used it, everything I've read and heard tells me it offers real benefits in terms of consistency, control and possibly even reliability. What's not clear to me yet is whether Fusebox offers a certain amount of creative flexibility? In other words, if you divide your app into smaller units, does it become more granular and easier to manipulate? Matthew? Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator VantageMed Operations (Kansas City) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged
[KCFusion] off topic - IMail javascript box
Though off topic, I'm posting because several members here have worked with IMail server product. The recent version has a feature where, if you are reading a message and click Header, it will generate a box containing the full email header info. What caught my eye is that although this box sits on top of the existing page content (edges of box bisect characters in text below, so it's not inserting an HTML table), it is still within the browser window, and will scroll with the page contents. I tried to look at their JavaScript but View source was grayed out. How did they do that? Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator VantageMed Operations (Kansas City) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. __ The KCFusion.org list and website is hosted by Humankind Systems, Inc. List Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-list@kcfusion.org Questions, Comments or Glowing Praise.. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [KCFusion] off topic - IMail javascript box
Not sure how they turned that off, but what I would do next is simply watch the page load over the wire. Ethereal is an open-source packet sniffer that works quite nicely for this purpose, and I recently added a section to Daryl's TCP/IP Primer on its use: http://www.ipprimer.com/packets.cfm --Daryl - Original Message - From: Keith Purtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: KCFusion (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:17 AM Subject: [KCFusion] off topic - IMail javascript box Though off topic, I'm posting because several members here have worked with IMail server product. The recent version has a feature where, if you are reading a message and click Header, it will generate a box containing the full email header info. What caught my eye is that although this box sits on top of the existing page content (edges of box bisect characters in text below, so it's not inserting an HTML table), it is still within the browser window, and will scroll with the page contents. I tried to look at their JavaScript but View source was grayed out. How did they do that? Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator VantageMed Operations (Kansas City) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. __ The KCFusion.org list and website is hosted by Humankind Systems, Inc. List Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-list@kcfusion.org Questions, Comments or Glowing Praise.. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ The KCFusion.org list and website is hosted by Humankind Systems, Inc. List Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-list@kcfusion.org Questions, Comments or Glowing Praise.. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [KCFusion] off topic - IMail javascript box
Without seeing the code, I would guess they are using DHTML layers and/or DIV tags. See article at http://www.webresource.net/html/procenter/articles/layers/ -Chuck -Original Message- From: Keith Purtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:18 AM To: KCFusion (E-mail) Subject: [KCFusion] off topic - IMail javascript box Though off topic, I'm posting because several members here have worked with IMail server product. The recent version has a feature where, if you are reading a message and click Header, it will generate a box containing the full email header info. What caught my eye is that although this box sits on top of the existing page content (edges of box bisect characters in text below, so it's not inserting an HTML table), it is still within the browser window, and will scroll with the page contents. I tried to look at their JavaScript but View source was grayed out. How did they do that? Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator VantageMed Operations (Kansas City) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. __ The KCFusion.org list and website is hosted by Humankind Systems, Inc. List Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-list@kcfusion.org Questions, Comments or Glowing Praise.. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] * __ The KCFusion.org list and website is hosted by Humankind Systems, Inc. List Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-list@kcfusion.org Questions, Comments or Glowing Praise.. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [KCFusion] off topic - IMail javascript box
It's just simple DHTML. The View Source is grayed-out due to something weird in your browser; there's no way to lock that out. We do the same trick on the headers at http://killerwebmail.com/ (a better IMail webmail interface - login in with demo and blue to check it out) if you want to try to view the source there. Speaking of viewing the source, here's a cool little trick I figured out the other day. Tired of not being able to see the actual HTML output of a JS document.write() function, I created a bookmarkable JS source viewer, that also has a side benefit of cleaning up the HTML's capitalization, missing tags, etc.: http://www.humankindsystems.com/sourcelink.htm Using that tool from a bookmark, you'll be able to see the source of any page. Also have a handy CookieViewer bookmark there, to check your cookies on any site. Very helpful when debugging cookie problems, or just to see all the info various sites are collecting on you. -Ron Ron Hornbaker President/CTO . . . . . . . . . . . . http://humankindsystems.com . . . . . . . . . . . . w e c o d e. w e c a r e. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Keith Purtell Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:18 AM To: KCFusion (E-mail) Subject: [KCFusion] off topic - IMail javascript box Though off topic, I'm posting because several members here have worked with IMail server product. The recent version has a feature where, if you are reading a message and click Header, it will generate a box containing the full email header info. What caught my eye is that although this box sits on top of the existing page content (edges of box bisect characters in text below, so it's not inserting an HTML table), it is still within the browser window, and will scroll with the page contents. I tried to look at their JavaScript but View source was grayed out. How did they do that? Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator VantageMed Operations (Kansas City) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ The KCFusion.org list and website is hosted by Humankind Systems, Inc. List Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-list@kcfusion.org Questions, Comments or Glowing Praise.. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [KCFusion] off topic - IMail javascript box
I'm not sure that forta's page that you're referring to actually uses document.write to produce that. I think he's just including it in a way to hide it, which I do give you that your source viewer does pull it out of there, but I'm under the assumption that it's actually straight html in that .cfm file. Try pulling up cookies at hotmail.com. I get a access denied js error. -Original Message- From: Ron Hornbaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [KCFusion] off topic - IMail javascript box I just looked at the viewers you're talking about, set them to my favorites, jumped out to one of the sites where we're using a line just like you're talking about with document.write() in the middle of the page, and all it showed me in the source generated from your viewer was exactly what I would get if I viewed the source otherwise. What browser are you using? I'm using IE5.5 here, and when I go to a pure document.write() page like: http://fuselets.com/cftips/ and do a regular view source, all I see is the one-line JS reference. Using the SourceViewer bookmark while there, I see the complete HTML output of the page, the results of the document.write. also, I just tried the cookie viewer, and although somewhat interesting at first, I quickly found that most sites have permissions set on the reading of the cookies, I've never heard of permissions settings on cookies. It's just a simple JS call to read the cookies on the current domain, I've never seen it fail. What's a URL where it's failing? Here's a couple of my results: My Cookies at: www.fbi.gov ASPSESSIONIDQQGQGXSY=MLBLINIDEMALBOEKMGPDGODC My Cookies at: www.microsoft.com MC1=V=3LV=200012HASH=7CD1GUID=3126D17C3A1240D0A38F22EE0A256B57 My Cookies at: www.x10.com vr=VR000; Deal=14379904,TT14,0,0,0,979755380; info=3,13455522,../x10voucher.htm,bk_mk,216.63.20.97; GiftID=445857-979098591-31834; x10hotbody.dat=2634; x10welcomeab2.dat=2811; x10getitbtn.dat=3002; x103cambtn.dat=2864; x10hotdealbtn.dat=3004; x10prodbtn.dat=3005; x10xcambtn.dat=2809 [WHEW! And what's hotbody for?] -Ron -Original Message- From: Ron Hornbaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 3:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [KCFusion] off topic - IMail javascript box It's just simple DHTML. The View Source is grayed-out due to something weird in your browser; there's no way to lock that out. We do the same trick on the headers at http://killerwebmail.com/ (a better IMail webmail interface - login in with demo and blue to check it out) if you want to try to view the source there. Speaking of viewing the source, here's a cool little trick I figured out the other day. Tired of not being able to see the actual HTML output of a JS document.write() function, I created a bookmarkable JS source viewer, that also has a side benefit of cleaning up the HTML's capitalization, missing tags, etc.: http://www.humankindsystems.com/sourcelink.htm Using that tool from a bookmark, you'll be able to see the source of any page. Also have a handy CookieViewer bookmark there, to check your cookies on any site. Very helpful when debugging cookie problems, or just to see all the info various sites are collecting on you. -Ron Ron Hornbaker President/CTO . . . . . . . . . . . . http://humankindsystems.com . . . . . . . . . . . . w e c o d e. w e c a r e. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Keith Purtell Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:18 AM To: KCFusion (E-mail) Subject: [KCFusion] off topic - IMail javascript box Though off topic, I'm posting because several members here have worked with IMail server product. The recent version has a feature where, if you are reading a message and click Header, it will generate a box containing the full email header info. What caught my eye is that although this box sits on top of the existing page content (edges of box bisect characters in text below, so it's not inserting an HTML table), it is still within the browser window, and will scroll with the page contents. I tried to look at their JavaScript but View source was grayed out. How did they do that? Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator VantageMed Operations (Kansas City) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ The KCFusion.org list and website is hosted by Humankind Systems, Inc. List Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-list@kcfusion.org Questions, Comments or Glowing Praise.. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ The KCFusion.org list and website is hosted by
