Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Single source version (PR #344)

2022-01-06 Thread Klaus Zimmermann
I have added a fancified version of the version handling. Let me know what you 
think or if you want me to explain a bit more.

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Single source version (PR #344)

2022-01-06 Thread Klaus Zimmermann
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ff0a539a242555b27cd6aa5018e6e9a0c65b1530  Fancify single sourced version


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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Cutting version 1.10 (Issue #345)

2022-01-06 Thread David Hassell
Hello all,

My (current) thoughts on the new release question: I'm not sure about cutting 
1.10 to fix just this defect. Given that it can be fixed in the latest CF-1.10 
draft, is that not sufficient to tide us over to the whenever CF-1.10 is 
released? A few years ago we agreed that one release, or perhaps two releases, 
per year was a good balance; which to me, at least, means that any extra 
release in the year should be reserved for either getting new functionality out 
to users with production time constraints, or else correcting a serious error. 
I'm not sure that this defect (important as it is!) adds new features, nor 
warrants the "serious" label. 

I like the idea of per-release history entries, and "(No) change agreed" issue 
labels. I would find those very useful.

[Daniel 
wrote](https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://github.com/cf-convention/cf-conventions/issues/345*issuecomment-1006644633__;Iw!!G2kpM7uM-TzIFchu!hOibaETdBKBrgpir550s20Qgv0K4JPNqTVGMPwPWHbh_TsLOJvVB3rqUEqcGtYbWStY00KX05FY$
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> Barring that, this can be discovered by pulling up closed PRs and sorting by 
> date, then checking what was merged into main between releases - that is 
> however more laborious, so labeling the PRs pre-merge would be the most 
> expedient in my view.

That is exactly what I did when applying many of those milestones - and it was 
indeed laborious. Labelling them at merge-time would be a great addition to the 
workflow.

Setting a milestone on a PR (or issue) is very similar to setting a label - 
it's on the right hand panel just below where the label-setting feature is. I 
have just created a 1.10 milestone (via 
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Thanks,
David

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Single source version (PR #344)

2022-01-06 Thread Klaus Zimmermann
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1bae8aead25c12a9b0f7cd0af7cfd636a8ed1ca3  Add -draft suffix to version


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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Cutting version 1.10 (Issue #345)

2022-01-06 Thread Ethan Davis
I agree, per-release headers in History would be helpful.

@JonathanGregory - I like the idea of closing inactive issues after some period 
of dormancy and adding a "No change agreed" label to those issues. I also like 
the idea of adding a "Change agreed" label to issues as they are agreed (and 
PRs merged).

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Cutting version 1.10 (Issue #345)

2022-01-06 Thread JonathanGregory
> @JonathanGregory I agree that a per-release entry in History would make sense.

OK. If others agree, this is something we could introduce in 1.10, and it might 
not be too hard to insert those headings for all the previous versions.

> What you propose regarding labels would work, although it might be simpler if 
> we track them by pull requests. ... This has been made easy for 1.9 as shown 
> by [this 
> filter](https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://github.com/cf-convention/cf-conventions/pulls?q=is*3Apr*is*3Aclosed*sort*3Aupdated-desc*milestone*3A1.9__;JSslKyUrJQ!!G2kpM7uM-TzIFchu!h1cVF0ZY_-rnSXxaKt6O3ektrxVFu9le3PS-9SdJ89aMd1smc48A9OhKLSNWiwFbMoc5PeLCVQk$
>  ) showing those PRs that were manually tagged as going into 1.9. ... 
> Labeling the PRs pre-merge would be the most expedient in my view.

Thanks. That is neat. How do you tag the PRs in this way? I agree that it would 
be sensible to do that as it is agreed that a PR will be merged at the next 
release.

However, this doesn't tag the issues, does it? Therefore I think it would still 
be useful to add a label to the issue once it's agreed to update the 
convention, for instance "Change agreed". This label would remain forever, and 
by following the link in the issue to its PR, tagged in the way you describe, 
you could find out which version it affected.

I would also propose a complementary label "No change agreed", to be applied to 
any issue which we close because it doesn't seem that it's going to reach a 
conclusion. Of course any closed issue could be reopened and the label removed. 
I feel that it's better to close issues than to leave them forever dormant. Do 
others agree, or am I being tempted by excessive tidiness?

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Cutting version 1.10 (Issue #345)

2022-01-06 Thread Klaus Zimmermann
For reference, in ESMValTool we use just the process that @erget described to 
generate the changelog using [this 
script](https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://github.com/ESMValGroup/ESMValTool/blob/main/esmvaltool/utils/draft_release_notes.py__;!!G2kpM7uM-TzIFchu!mEdDWp3uFu7z4p9FhhD25ii80KIQFhpsRbJBmtnpWrqdONx9ZPuMEizM_bMYvJyqFiYtzGi4Pa4$
 ). We are considering replacing this with one of the many available standard 
solutions that do a similar thing.

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] DOIs for CF Convention releases? (#127)

2022-01-06 Thread Martin
@castelao : thanks, I agree with your approach. Following the theme of keeping 
things simple unless there is a clear need, I suggest using your listed fields 
plus `Description` for now, and more can be added later if needed.


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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Single-source the version number (Issue #343)

2022-01-06 Thread Ethan Davis
I prefer the more terse formulation. Replacing the space with a dash, so 
`1.10-draft`, would be similar to a well known pattern for software versioning 
of appending `-SNAPSHOT` or `-mmddhhss` to a version number. Perhaps a bit 
more obvious than `1.10 draft` but still terse.

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] DOIs for CF Convention releases? (#127)

2022-01-06 Thread Guilherme Castelão
@martinjuckes , thanks for raising this point. I think it is a good idea to 
have a description associated with the DOI. To clarify, Zenodo is quite 
convenient and I've been a happy user but the price is that we must conform 
with their resources. A direct DOI registration provides more fields and more 
flexibility for us.

The DOI handle that we see is like a primary key in a database. When we use a 
DOI we are usually interested in the fields associated with that primary key. 
Although one of the DOI fields is the URL for the landing page, the goal is not 
to replace our use of URLs with DOIs. There are several possible fields, but 
the required ones are:

- Location (URL)
- Creators
- Title
- Publisher
- Publication Year
- Resource Type

As suggested by @martinjuckes I strongly recommend adding 'Description' of type 
'abstract'. I also suggest starting with these fields and once we get an 
agreement on those we might consider the rest of the possible list.

Since DOI is meant for machine-to-machine communication, the landing page URL 
is usually a page with human-readable information. I usually use a dedicated 
landing page, brief but with more space than the abstract field, pointing what 
are the resources and where to find them. My suggestion is to use the 
cf-conventions.org as the associated URL for now, and once we concluded the 
requirements we can consider improvements.

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] timeSeries featureType with a forecast / reference time dimension? (#129)

2022-01-06 Thread David Hassell
Thanks, Jonathan - The PR looks fine to me.

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] timeSeries featureType with a forecast / reference time dimension? (#129)

2022-01-06 Thread JonathanGregory
Thanks

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] timeSeries featureType with a forecast / reference time dimension? (#129)

2022-01-06 Thread Daniel Lee
Thanks @JonathanGregory . If you have no objections, I'll set a reminder to 
myself to merge this in 3 weeks (2022-01-27) so that interested parties can 
comment on the small modifications to the updated draft in good time.

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Cutting version 1.10 (Issue #345)

2022-01-06 Thread Daniel Lee
@JonathanGregory I agree that a per-release entry in History would make sense.

What you propose regarding labels would work, although it might be simpler if 
we track them by pull requests. This is a common pattern in the software 
development world. This has been made easy for 1.9 as shown by [this 
filter](https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://github.com/cf-convention/cf-conventions/pulls?q=is*3Apr*is*3Aclosed*sort*3Aupdated-desc*milestone*3A1.9__;JSslKyUrJQ!!G2kpM7uM-TzIFchu!ivMSC2HJq-YCLwK0BeitySBXv3CAIO1p9skWWONzVAEI2DPu_4Wcznuylq7VMXtvkx341r-KSb4$
 ) showing those PRs that were manually tagged as going into 1.9. If we were to 
do that again for 1.10 we would have such an overview, and the PRs would of 
course link back to their respective issues.

Barring that, this can be discovered by pulling up closed PRs and sorting by 
date, then checking what was merged into `main` between releases - that is 
however more laborious, so labeling the PRs pre-merge would be the most 
expedient in my view.

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Single-source the version number (Issue #343)

2022-01-06 Thread Daniel Lee
Personally, I'm more for the terser formulation of `draft` - IMO that makes it 
obvious enough.

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] timeSeries featureType with a forecast / reference time dimension? (#129)

2022-01-06 Thread JonathanGregory
The PR is 
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[CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Issue129 (PR #346)

2022-01-06 Thread JonathanGregory
See issue #129 for discussion of these changes.
- [N/A] Authors updated in `cf-conventions.adoc`?
- [N/A] Next version in `cf-conventions.adoc` up to date? Versioning inspired 
by 
[SemVer](https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://semver.org__;!!G2kpM7uM-TzIFchu!lMzi2aHz0VCCXwrAg54pJgV_UzX353dWcByCAjfiNNPzAlObqSCSrQ_UI-w65t4V_8xYDdkfO5E$
 ).
- [Y] `history.adoc` up to date?
- [N/A] Conformance document up-to-date?

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-- Commit Summary --

  * corrected issue 129
  * updated history

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Single-source the version number (Issue #343)

2022-01-06 Thread JonathanGregory
I agree with putting `draft` in the current-version. I think it would be a 
positive advantage if it turns up e.g. in `Conventions` (in the text of the 
draft document), because that makes the status obvious. In fact maybe we could 
be more explicit and say e.g. `:current-version: 1.10 draft (not yet released, 
not to be used)` or is that going too far?

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Single-source the version number (Issue #343)

2022-01-06 Thread Daniel Lee
@JonathanGregory thanks for bringing us back on track!

> Might it make sense to do this?:
> 
> :current-version: 1.10 draft
> 
> And then remove draft pre-release?

I think that would make sense.


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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Single-source the version number (Issue #343)

2022-01-06 Thread JonathanGregory
Discussion in review comments of 
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  reproduced here for the record. (May I politely and respectfully remind 
everyone that the CF practice is to keep substantive discussions about text in 
the issue, not the PR, so we have a single place to look for the history. 
Thanks. :smile: )

@erget:

Might it make sense to do this?:

`:current-version: 1.10 draft`

And then remove ` draft` pre-release?

@zklaus:

I had this locally at some point, but I removed it again because I felt that it 
looked odd in the `:Conventions` attribute both in the examples, which  would 
read
```
// global attributes:
  :Conventions = "CF-1.10 draft" ;
  :featureType = "timeSeries" ;
```
and in the text where this attribute is described, for example
```
[...] attribute **`Conventions`** to a string value that contains "**`CF-1.10 
draft`**".
```
Hence my suggestion to add a second `:status-indicator:` or similar that can be 
combined with the `:current-version:` where appropriate.

But I am happy to use the simpler solution :)

@erget:

I don't have overly strong feelings here, but in the absence of Sturm und Drang 
from other corners my preference would be to go with using `current-version` 
for the whole shebang. Reasoning:
- It's simpler than having 2 attributes
- It doesn't result in invalid CDL, since space characters are allowed

and thus it would be easier to maintain, and also more obvious that one is 
working with a draft.

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Cutting version 1.10 (Issue #345)

2022-01-06 Thread JonathanGregory
Separately, I would like to suggest that when we close issues in this 
repository which have been agreed to be implemented in the next release, we 
should add another label that indicates this e.g. "1.9" for all the ones added 
to the present version. Those new labels can all be the same colour, to 
conserve the visual spectrum. I think these labels might be useful when looking 
at the repo subsequently.

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Cutting version 1.10 (Issue #345)

2022-01-06 Thread JonathanGregory
We could put headings in the history section (in `history.adoc`), starting a 
new one in each new release. Thus, the history section in the present draft 
would begin with a title something like "Differences between 1.9 and 1.10", and 
there would be nothing there. Just to be clear, we could write "Nothing yet" 
underneath, and delete it in the subsequent changes! Does that make sense?

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] DOIs for CF Convention releases? (#127)

2022-01-06 Thread Martin
@castelao : I like the idea of having a DOI for the CF concept, but I would 
like to take this opportunity to clarifying what that concept is. @ethanrd has 
suggested, I think, that the concept can be defined, in effect, by pointing to 
cfconventions.org, but I feel it would be more in the spirit of the DOI culture 
to have a specific, very short and durable, text that defines the concept, such 
as the first paragraph on the home page. With this approach, the link to 
cfconventions.org would be metadata, and could be updated at will on Zenodo or 
any other platform. 
   

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Cutting version 1.10 (Issue #345)

2022-01-06 Thread Daniel Lee
@davidhassell ping - thoughts here? (1) is a very good question - is there an 
easy way to generate such an overview in the absence of updates to the history 
section of the document? I imagine GitHub would be helpful, and it might be 
even easier if we use milestones that could be attached to PRs but AFAIK we're 
not doing that.

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] Single source version (PR #344)

2022-01-06 Thread Daniel Lee
@erget commented on this pull request.



> @@ -0,0 +1 @@
+:current-version: 1.10

I don't have overly strong feelings here, but in the absence of Sturm und Drang 
from other corners my preference would be to go with using `current-version` 
for the whole shebang. Reasoning:
- It's simpler than having 2 attributes
- It doesn't result in invalid CDL, since space characters are allowed

and thus it would be easier to maintain, and also more obvious that one is 
working with a draft.

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] timeSeries featureType with a forecast / reference time dimension? (#129)

2022-01-06 Thread JonathanGregory
Aha! Quite right. I did only half the job. :-) I will write the PR.

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] timeSeries featureType with a forecast / reference time dimension? (#129)

2022-01-06 Thread Daniel Lee
@JonathanGregory which PR is associated with this issue? I don't see one linked.

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Re: [CF-metadata] [cf-convention/cf-conventions] timeSeries featureType with a forecast / reference time dimension? (#129)

2022-01-06 Thread JonathanGregory
Please could someone merge this pull request, which qualifies for acceptance 
today. Thanks.

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