Re: cfm bb

2005-07-13 Thread Stan Winchester
No offense taken, but don't you get it; I said we will give away MULTIPLE FREE 
licenses to those who help in the beta test. If we need to add features to be 
equal to phpbb, then we will see what we can do. 

I wish I could offer the forum for free, but I have to eat and so does my 
family, so free is not an option. The MSRP is only $89.95 and developers 
automatically get 25% off with the very first purchase! After you sell 50 the 
price is only $44.98 which equals a 50% discount! So in a way, we are almost 
giving the forums away.

I hope I don't offend anyone by sharing this much information about the 
marketing, I'm just trying to get beta testers, and responding to Dave the 
disruptor

 no offense but you can get rays for free, ya know what i mean?
 
 
 And there isn't currently a cfm bb with the features of phpbb except 
 for fusetalk and it isnt even as nice.
 
 ~Dave the disruptor~
 A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not 
 sufficient capital to form a corporation. 
 
 
 From: Stan Winchester [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 1:07 AM
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Subject: Re: cfm bb 
 
 We have had our Aftershock Forums in beta for a while and we will give 
 away FREE licenses to those who help us. For more information please 
 visit: 
 
 http://www.aftershockweb.net/forums/threads.cfm/ForumId/9
 
 I've been working at integrating a big site into the phpbb framework... 
 and 
 I wouldn't want to port this chunk if someone paid me. Its completely 
 hacked 
 and slashed together.
 
 I'd sincerely suggest trying to acheive the same features (and even 
 some of 
 those are worthless), but to do it differently... and plan a method 
 of 
 attack as its quite obvious they didn't.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Kevin
 
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 From: dave 
 To: CF-Talk 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:45 PM
 Subject: cfm bb
 
 
 
 

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UK SMS providers for CF7

2005-07-13 Thread Kevin Roche
Hi,

Can anyone recommend a UK SMS Bulk Agregator that supports the ColdFusion 7
SMS gateway?

Kevin Roche
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Re: UK SMS providers for CF7

2005-07-13 Thread John Beynon
hi Kevin,

this one http://www.world-text.com/index.php seems to come up around the place.

Orange has a list of aggregators at
http://www.orange.co.uk/thirdparty/aggregators.html

I've not explored any of this yet with CFMX7 but the world-text one
was mentioned on Damon Coopers blog

john


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list reverse function

2005-07-13 Thread Protoculture
does anyone have a listreverse udf kicking around or know of one?

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Re: cfm bb

2005-07-13 Thread Will Tomlinson
I'm just trying to get beta testers, and responding to 
 Dave the disruptor

I think that was a typo. It's dave the Disruptured. 

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Re: list reverse function

2005-07-13 Thread Nick de Voil
 does anyone have a listreverse udf kicking around or know of one?

http://cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=51


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Re: retrieve ID from db insert

2005-07-13 Thread Aaron Rouse
I forgot to mention I have used their Ask Tom a few times and with good 
success. I usually end up finding something similar to my needs in there and 
try to apply it and if I get stumped then post to it, not sure if I have 
ever done a new thread in Ask Tom.

On 7/12/05, daniel kessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 hey that's great! thanks. I looked it over and it seems very useful, at 
 least for me.
 I appreciate moving my Oracle questions over to Oracle.
 
 I have had very good luck here:
  http://forums.oracle.com/forums/forum.jsp?forum=75
  My experience everywhere else, even here at work has been the holier 
 than
 though DBAs you described. I even got that experience from one here at 
 work
 that I helped with by sending some LDAP/Oracle integration I had worked 
 on
 which I thought was rather surprising.
 
  On 7/12/05, Deanna Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 

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Re: Java class called from CF errors

2005-07-13 Thread James Holmes
One of the certs is the wrong one. You have two in your java keystore
and one in CF; try to track down the other one. As a quick test you
can replace the CF keystore with the file from your java install (back
it up first!!).

As an aside, you should change the keystore password. Also beware that
CF updaters tend to overwrite the keystore and you lose your custom
certs (just something to be aware of in the future).

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Re: CodFusion keystore

2005-07-13 Thread James Holmes
You did restart CF afterwards, didn't you?


 -Original Message-
 From: Taco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2005 11:40 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CodFusion keystore
 
 I finally got the finger prints to match - by going to the site and copying
 the cert to file and import it again.
 
 But  ColdFusion is still throwing the following error
 Connection has been shutdown: javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException:
 sun.security.validator.ValidatorException: No trusted certificate found
 
 I don't know what to do anymore, it works when I run the Java class as an
 application (it always has worked). In the Java class I explicitly point to
 the keystore, could this have anything to do with it?

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RE: retrieve ID from db insert

2005-07-13 Thread RADEMAKERS Tanguy
Two other good resources:

http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/
Jonathan Lewis' site -check out the oracle FAQs

http://www.psoug.org/reference
which has some great examples for more advanced db features

and, of course, the oracle docco, esp. the Concepts guide,
Application Developer's Guide - Fundamentals, and the various reference
guides to SQL, PL/SQL and (for when things go wrong) Error Messages. 
 

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Subject: retrieve ID from db insert
From: Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:09:37 -0500
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I forgot to mention I have used their Ask Tom a few times and 
with good 
success. I usually end up finding something similar to my 
needs in there and 
try to apply it and if I get stumped then post to it, not sure 
if I have 
ever done a new thread in Ask Tom.


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RE: Query Problem.

2005-07-13 Thread James Smith
 

  SELECT max(stockid) as stockid, data1, data2
  FROM   table
  HAVING data1 = 5
  
  Unfortunately this is returning the following data
  
  StockID | Data1 | Data2
  ---
  3   | 5 | 2
  
  Ie: the correct stockid and data1 but data2 from a diferent row!

 The MySQL manual warns against that:
 http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/group-by-hidden-fields.html
 
 They also document how it should be done:
 http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/example-maximum-column-group
 -row.html

Yeah, this all started to get a bit complicated, so I dumped it.  Worked
arround it by selecting the ones I wanted in a new query, setting a flag in
the db for those by looping over the new query, then modified the existing
query to select based on that flag.

Thanks anyway.

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cfmx7 hanging and then dead.

2005-07-13 Thread Tony Weeg
Hardware/Software: CFMX7 (no updaters), Windows 2000 Server, IIS5, SQL
Server 2000

Issue: While doing backups or any DTS transactions on a SQL Server
2000 database.  Attempt query from CFMX7 to SQL Server, it hangs, and
hangs, and hangs, and then we have to restart the CF Server to get
anything working again.

This is a repeatable problem.

This was a problem with 6.0 and then it seemed like 6.1 fixed the
issue, and now 7 seems to be doing the same thing.

Does the JDBC driver (macromedia_drivers.jar) updater fix this?

The one mentioned here:
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_17883#MX7
and then the info is here:
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=1a3c2ad0

Any help is VERY appreciated.

thanks.
-- 
tony

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Re: Show the code not the conversion.

2005-07-13 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Heh... You wee what happens when people don't follow my advice to the
letter? :P

 My fault.  I half copied your regex.  I started to type my
 own in and
 thought, Hey, Isaac already did this, of course by then,
 I had
 already forgot to put the re in front of replace. :)


 On 7/12/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Cool solution, except the regex does not seem to be
  working, in that none of the 's are being changed to
  amp;'s.  But I can't see what it is not working?

 He (or I) typo'd the function call... in the code that
 was posted the
 function called was ReplaceNoCase... the function
 should be
 REReplaceNoCase (we dropped the re) -- or REReplace()
 would work
 actually, since the expression doesn't include anything
 but
 punctuation characters.


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new epoch : isn't it time for a change?

add features without fixtures with
the onTap open source framework

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Account Question

2005-07-13 Thread ecreese
I am trying to change my email account on CF-talk. However when I do this it 
does not change the primary and just keeps adding the emails account to a list 
of the smae email account over and over again. i am now getting cf-talk mail to 
two differnt email addresses.

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Re: Storing and retrieving images from SQL Server 2000

2005-07-13 Thread Larry Lyons
 Never too late to reverse a bad decision.

Except when that decision was to step off the curb in front of a fast
moving buss.

s. isaac dealey   954.522.6080

Then again depending on the person, stepping in front of a fast moving buss 
would not be a bad decision. Stepping in front of a fast moving bus on the 
other hand...

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Re: Account Question

2005-07-13 Thread James Holmes
I still have essentially the same problem. I managed the change my
primary (somehow) but I get some mail to the new one, some to the old
one and some to both.

Mike, can you fix this?

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Re: Making a flash movie a link.

2005-07-13 Thread Ken Ferguson
Oh come on now, of course you can. Just wrap your movie in a div with an 
onclick.


Parker, Kevin wrote:

Not that I know of. You have to create a button the size of the movie in
flash and apply the getURL command. 

I just looked in Flash Help and there are no parameters for creating a
link. You could try wrapping the object tags in a and/or div tags
to produce a link. You would probably need to use javascript onClick
methods for this. 



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clearing connection pool/expiring connections

2005-07-13 Thread frederick valone
I am wondering if there is a way to programaitcally expire connections 
between coldfusion and oracle.

We currently have to bounce our cf server everytime we take one of our 
linked databases down for service or make changes made to stored 
procedures or cf sees the state of the database as it was before the 
changes were made.

We are running cfmx6.1 for j2ee on jrun.
Our operating environment is Sun Solaris.
Oracle 9i DB
Web server is Apache 2.

Any help will be greatly appreciated

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Re: Making a flash movie a link.

2005-07-13 Thread Ken Ferguson
It's funny how sometimes you can type up an entire reply without 
actually reading the entire message to which you are replying. Sorry for 
givin' you the come on now... Kevin, you had it in your post and I 
chose to fly right over it.

--Ferg

Ken Ferguson wrote:

Oh come on now, of course you can. Just wrap your movie in a div with an 
onclick.


Parker, Kevin wrote:

  

Not that I know of. You have to create a button the size of the movie in
flash and apply the getURL command. 

I just looked in Flash Help and there are no parameters for creating a
link. You could try wrapping the object tags in a and/or div tags
to produce a link. You would probably need to use javascript onClick
methods for this. 



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Subject: Making a flash movie a link.

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CF and Zips

2005-07-13 Thread Ken Ferguson
Anybody know of a free cf utility (or asp or php for that matter) that 
will create a zip file of directories? The problem is that I've lost all 
remote access to my server except for FTP. I'm trying to pull all of my 
files down, but it keeps failing all over the place to the point where I 
can't simply grab a folder to ftp down to my machine, because I 
inexplicably lose up to half of the files/folders underneath. So you can 
imagine that if I do a get on a folder with 5 levels of subfolders, 
it's pretty difficult to go through each of those to find which files 
didn't end up making it. I've tried command-line FTP, WS-FTP and 
FileZilla with the same results.

What I need is a way to run an app in my webroot which will create a zip 
fie of everything underneath. Then I can just get that zip file over 
FTP. I was able to find one asp utility, but you had to register a dll 
for it to work, which I can't do with no access and you had to create a 
virtual directory in IIS too. I could get my host (it's a dedicated 
server) to do all of this for me, but then I'd have to pay $150 -- no 
thanks.

Thanks,
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Re: CF and Zips

2005-07-13 Thread Massimo Foti
 Anybody know of a free cf utility (or asp or php for that matter) that 
 will create a zip file of directories? 

http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/cfc/tmt_zip/

There is also a UDF on cflib.org. Both requires CF MX or above

  
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Re: CF and Zips

2005-07-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
I remember a jsp example that did this back when I was learning jsp.

On 7/13/05, Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Anybody know of a free cf utility (or asp or php for that matter) that
  will create a zip file of directories?
 
 http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/cfc/tmt_zip/
 
 There is also a UDF on cflib.org. Both requires CF MX or above
 
 
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RE: CF and Zips

2005-07-13 Thread Kerry
http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=744

-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 July 2005 15:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF and Zips


Anybody know of a free cf utility (or asp or php for that matter) that
will create a zip file of directories? The problem is that I've lost all
remote access to my server except for FTP. I'm trying to pull all of my
files down, but it keeps failing all over the place to the point where I
can't simply grab a folder to ftp down to my machine, because I
inexplicably lose up to half of the files/folders underneath. So you can
imagine that if I do a get on a folder with 5 levels of subfolders,
it's pretty difficult to go through each of those to find which files
didn't end up making it. I've tried command-line FTP, WS-FTP and
FileZilla with the same results.

What I need is a way to run an app in my webroot which will create a zip
fie of everything underneath. Then I can just get that zip file over
FTP. I was able to find one asp utility, but you had to register a dll
for it to work, which I can't do with no access and you had to create a
virtual directory in IIS too. I could get my host (it's a dedicated
server) to do all of this for me, but then I'd have to pay $150 -- no
thanks.

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Calling .net data grid as a cfobject

2005-07-13 Thread SStewart
I'm running CFMX Standard. Is there any way to call the .net data grid as a 
cfobject?

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Re: cfm bb

2005-07-13 Thread Raymond Camden
On 7/13/05, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 no offense but you can get rays for free, ya know what i mean?
 

Yes, but compitition is good. As it stands, this announcement has made
me encouraged to work a bit more on Galleon and add some new features.
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RE: Calling .net data grid as a cfobject

2005-07-13 Thread Dave Watts
 I'm running CFMX Standard. Is there any way to call the .net 
 data grid as a cfobject?

I don't think you can do that in a practical way. You can do that from
BlueDragon.NET very nicely, though. Frankly, though, you'd be better off
building your own control to use with CFMX, I think.

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Pound Sign Replacement

2005-07-13 Thread Karl
I've got a compiled application that can be programmed to output ColdFusion 
code along with its regular output, writing CF templates that later run 
under CF 5.0.  However if any of its regular output contains pound signs, 
CF throws an error when the template is executed.  Both these examples will 
fail:

CFSCRIPT
Test = 'SKU # 1716-SY-367';
/CFSCRIPT

Or

CFSET Test = 'SKU # 1716-SY-367'


What I would LIKE to do is use Replace or REReplace or somehow escape the 
damn pound signs out of the strings more or less like so:

CFSET Test = #REplace(SKU # 1716-SY-367, #Chr(35)#, , ALL)#  -- 
but it doesn't work.

(#Chr(35)# in the REplace function will replace say, DOUBLE pound signs in 
the string, so at least that works)

It is not possible to use the original compiled application to either 
double up the pound signs or eliminate them, I have to work with the output 
it gives me and it isn't very sophisticated.  I can use it to output any CF 
code I want but I have to deal with the strings it gives me.  Your help 
would be greatly appreciated.

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RE: clearing connection pool/expiring connections

2005-07-13 Thread RADEMAKERS Tanguy
It must be possible because you can do it in the admin (Disable
Connections checkbox in the datasource advanced settings page. All this
stuff is accessible from the undocumented
coldfusion.server.ServiceFactory object... which contains a
DataSourceService object... which declares a disableConnection()
method... but no idea how to use it.


maybe check something like the ontap framework for clues? 

best of luck!


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Subject: clearing connection pool/expiring connections
From: frederick valone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:06:43 -0400
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threadid=41145forumid=4#211739

I am wondering if there is a way to programaitcally expire connections 
between coldfusion and oracle.

We currently have to bounce our cf server everytime we take 
one of our 
linked databases down for service or make changes made to stored 
procedures or cf sees the state of the database as it was before the 
changes were made.

We are running cfmx6.1 for j2ee on jrun.
Our operating environment is Sun Solaris.
Oracle 9i DB
Web server is Apache 2.

Any help will be greatly appreciated

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Simple XML cfscript question

2005-07-13 Thread Merrill, Jason
New here - Flash-guy, also new to ColdFusion and SQL (CF-Newbies doesn't
seem to be populated with anybody)

(...and before I ask the question, I'm also looking for a cleaner way to
write this, like not having to hard code the field column names)

How do I insert each subsequent record from a database into my XML file?
I got this working, but it of course repeats the first record in each
child node,which is not what I want.

cfquery name=qAllLessons datasource=coursesDB 
SELECT * FROM Lessons
/cfquery
cfquery name=qLessons datasource=coursesDB
SELECT ID, Lesson, Required, Time FROM Lessons
/cfquery

cfscript
lrXML = XmlNew();
lrXML.xmlRoot = XmlElemNew(lrXML,lData);
for (i = 1; i LTE #qAllLessons.RecordCount#; i = i + 1){
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Content);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[1] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,ID);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[2] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Lesson);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[3] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Required);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[4] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Time);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].ID.XmlText = #qLessons.ID#;
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Lesson.XmlText =
#qLessons.Lesson#;
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Required.XmlText =
#qLessons.Required#;
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Time.XmlText =
#qLessons.Time#;
}
/cfscript
cfdump var=#lrXML#
cfset XMLText = ToString(lrXML)
cffile action=write
file=C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot\com\macromedia\test\myTextXml_3.xml
output=#XMLText#


This outputs:

?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8 ? 
lData
   Content
 ID1/ID 
 LessonbIntroduction to Spatial Analysis/Lesson 
 RequiredTrue/Required 
 Time2/Time 
  /Content
  Content
 ID1/ID 
 LessonbIntroduction to Spatial Analysis/Lesson 
 RequiredTrue/Required 
 Time2/Time 
  /Content
...etc...

How do I write the query to insert each record into each subsequent node
instead of inserting the first record each time?

Or, is there a cfscript out there that will take a table and convert its
contents to XML with the nodes being named what the field names are
named?  I have searched the web, but haven't found one yet.

Thanks.

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cfschedule task won't run

2005-07-13 Thread jacksonj
(CFMX 6.1 / Linux) 

I set up a scheduled task (in the CF admin) to hit Google. It will run the task 
if I hit the run now icon (next to the task in the CF admin, and the 
execution gets logged in the scheduler.log, as expected.

However, it does not run automatically, and there are no entries in the 
scheduler.log (except the times that I run it on-demand).

I have the identical job set up on another CFMX 6.1/Linux box, and it runs 
fine, both on demand and on a schedule.

Ideas?

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RE: clearing connection pool/expiring connections

2005-07-13 Thread Tanguy Rademakers
frederic,

try this:

[snip]
To programmatically dis/enable a datasource, use the following code:

cflock name=serviceFactory type=exclusive timeout=10
 cfscript
   factory = CreateObject(java, coldfusion.server.ServiceFactory);
   ds_service = factory.datasourceservice;
   dsources = ds_service.datasources;
   dsources[ds_name][disable] = Yes/NO;
   ds_service.restart();
 /cfscript
/cflock

The restart of the DataSourceService is necessary when disabling a
datasource because connections between ColdFusion MX and the
datasource that already exist will not be disconnected otherwise. Use
with caution, temporarily your performance might be down
significantly.
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RE: Simple XML cfscript question

2005-07-13 Thread Matt Osbun
If you don't *need* this done with cfscript, try this.  This is a copy
and paste from something I'm putting together, with names changed to
protect the innocent...

cfquery name=qLessons datasource=coursesDB
SELECT ID, Lesson, Required, Time FROM Lessons
/cfquery

cfprocessingdirective suppresswhitespace=Yes
cfcontent type=text/xml; charset=utf-16
cfxml variable=XMLDoc
?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8' ?
lData
  cfoutput query=qLessons
Content
cfloop FROM=1 TO=#ListLen(qLessons.ColumnList)# index=i

#ListGetAt(qLessons.ColumnList,i)##qLessons[ListGetAt(qLessons.ColumnL
ist,i)][qLessons.currentrow]#/#ListGetAt(qLessons.ColumnList,i)#
/cfloop
/Content
  /cfoutput
/ldata
/cfxml
/cfprocessingdirective
cffile action=write file=#wherever you want it saved#
output=#XMLDoc#

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RE: Simple XML cfscript question

2005-07-13 Thread Merrill, Jason
Well, I got it working, didn't realize I could use the Array access
operator like I can in Flash and Javascript - gotta love ECMA.  

Here is the script, but how can I make it cleaner  - i.e. get names of
fields and then loop over those?

cfscript
lrXML = XmlNew();
lrXML.xmlRoot = XmlElemNew(lrXML,lData);
for (i = 1; i LTE #qAllLessons.RecordCount#; i = i + 1){
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Content);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[1] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,ID);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[2] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Lesson);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[3] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Required);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[4] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Time);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].ID.XmlText =
#qLessons.ID[i]#;
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Lesson.XmlText =
#qLessons.Lesson[i]#;
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Required.XmlText =
#qLessons.Required[i]#;
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Time.XmlText =
#qLessons.Time[i]#;
}
/cfscript

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From: Merrill, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:31 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Simple XML cfscript question

New here - Flash-guy, also new to ColdFusion and SQL (CF-Newbies
doesn't
seem to be populated with anybody)

(...and before I ask the question, I'm also looking for a cleaner way
to
write this, like not having to hard code the field column names)

How do I insert each subsequent record from a database into my XML
file?
I got this working, but it of course repeats the first record in each
child node,which is not what I want.

cfquery name=qAllLessons datasource=coursesDB
  SELECT * FROM Lessons
/cfquery
cfquery name=qLessons datasource=coursesDB
  SELECT ID, Lesson, Required, Time FROM Lessons
/cfquery

cfscript
  lrXML = XmlNew();
  lrXML.xmlRoot = XmlElemNew(lrXML,lData);
  for (i = 1; i LTE #qAllLessons.RecordCount#; i = i + 1){
  lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Content);
  lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[1] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,ID);
  lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[2] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Lesson);
  lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[3] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Required);
  lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[4] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Time);
  lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].ID.XmlText = #qLessons.ID#;
  lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Lesson.XmlText =
#qLessons.Lesson#;
  lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Required.XmlText =
#qLessons.Required#;
  lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Time.XmlText =
#qLessons.Time#;
  }
/cfscript
cfdump var=#lrXML#
cfset XMLText = ToString(lrXML)
cffile action=write
file=C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot\com\macromedia\test\myTextXml_3.xml
output=#XMLText#


This outputs:

?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8 ?
lData
   Content
 ID1/ID
 LessonbIntroduction to Spatial Analysis/Lesson
 RequiredTrue/Required
 Time2/Time
  /Content
  Content
 ID1/ID
 LessonbIntroduction to Spatial Analysis/Lesson
 RequiredTrue/Required
 Time2/Time
  /Content
...etc...

How do I write the query to insert each record into each subsequent
node
instead of inserting the first record each time?

Or, is there a cfscript out there that will take a table and convert
its
contents to XML with the nodes being named what the field names are
named?  I have searched the web, but haven't found one yet.

Thanks.

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SOLVED: Re: Web service caling local CFC

2005-07-13 Thread Chris Peters
Would you mind giving us the URL to the details you mentioned below?

- Chris Peters

I found a thread in a forum explaining this was a bug in MX 6.1 (didn't know 
my associate was still using 6.1 as we develop for 7 now).  It contained a 
link that explains in detail what Paul K. was trying to tel me (thanks 
Paul).

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Re: SOLVED: Re: Web service caling local CFC

2005-07-13 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Here ya go Chrisread last post:

http://forums.devshed.com/archive/t-135261/cold-fusion-components-as-web-services

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RE: Simple XML cfscript question

2005-07-13 Thread Merrill, Jason
Well, I got it working, didn't realize I could use the Array access
operator like I can in Actionscript and Javascript (ECMA praise here?).


Here is the script, but how can I make it cleaner  so not as much is
hardcoded - i.e. get names of all the fields and then loop over those x
number of times?

cfscript
lrXML = XmlNew();
lrXML.xmlRoot = XmlElemNew(lrXML,lData);
for (i = 1; i LTE #qAllLessons.RecordCount#; i = i + 1){
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Content);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[1] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,ID);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[2] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Lesson);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[3] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Required);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[4] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Time);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].ID.XmlText =
#qLessons.ID[i]#;
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Lesson.XmlText =
#qLessons.Lesson[i]#;
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Required.XmlText =
#qLessons.Required[i]#;
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Time.XmlText =
#qLessons.Time[i]#;
}
/cfscript

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Re: Simple XML cfscript question

2005-07-13 Thread Anthony Prato
queryname.columnlist is what you are looking for. use listlen() to set
your upper bound. You may also want to check out cflib.org for some
helpful functions like converting query rows to structs, structs to
xml, etc. (there are tons of handy functions there)

Anthony

On 7/13/05, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, I got it working, didn't realize I could use the Array access
 operator like I can in Flash and Javascript - gotta love ECMA.
 
 Here is the script, but how can I make it cleaner  - i.e. get names of
 fields and then loop over those?
 
 cfscript
lrXML = XmlNew();
lrXML.xmlRoot = XmlElemNew(lrXML,lData);
for (i = 1; i LTE #qAllLessons.RecordCount#; i = i + 1){
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i] =
 XmlElemNew(lrXML,Content);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[1] =
 XmlElemNew(lrXML,ID);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[2] =
 XmlElemNew(lrXML,Lesson);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[3] =
 XmlElemNew(lrXML,Required);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[4] =
 XmlElemNew(lrXML,Time);
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].ID.XmlText =
 #qLessons.ID[i]#;
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Lesson.XmlText =
 #qLessons.Lesson[i]#;
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Required.XmlText =
 #qLessons.Required[i]#;
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Time.XmlText =
 #qLessons.Time[i]#;
}
 /cfscript
 
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 -Original Message-
 From: Merrill, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:31 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Simple XML cfscript question
 
 New here - Flash-guy, also new to ColdFusion and SQL (CF-Newbies
 doesn't
 seem to be populated with anybody)
 
 (...and before I ask the question, I'm also looking for a cleaner way
 to
 write this, like not having to hard code the field column names)
 
 How do I insert each subsequent record from a database into my XML
 file?
 I got this working, but it of course repeats the first record in each
 child node,which is not what I want.
 
 cfquery name=qAllLessons datasource=coursesDB
   SELECT * FROM Lessons
 /cfquery
 cfquery name=qLessons datasource=coursesDB
   SELECT ID, Lesson, Required, Time FROM Lessons
 /cfquery
 
 cfscript
   lrXML = XmlNew();
   lrXML.xmlRoot = XmlElemNew(lrXML,lData);
   for (i = 1; i LTE #qAllLessons.RecordCount#; i = i + 1){
   lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i] =
 XmlElemNew(lrXML,Content);
   lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[1] =
 XmlElemNew(lrXML,ID);
   lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[2] =
 XmlElemNew(lrXML,Lesson);
   lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[3] =
 XmlElemNew(lrXML,Required);
   lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[4] =
 XmlElemNew(lrXML,Time);
   lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].ID.XmlText = #qLessons.ID#;
   lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Lesson.XmlText =
 #qLessons.Lesson#;
   lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Required.XmlText =
 #qLessons.Required#;
   lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].Time.XmlText =
 #qLessons.Time#;
   }
 /cfscript
 cfdump var=#lrXML#
 cfset XMLText = ToString(lrXML)
 cffile action=write
 file=C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot\com\macromedia\test\myTextXml_3.xml
 output=#XMLText#
 
 
 This outputs:
 
 ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8 ?
 lData
Content
  ID1/ID
  LessonbIntroduction to Spatial Analysis/Lesson
  RequiredTrue/Required
  Time2/Time
   /Content
   Content
  ID1/ID
  LessonbIntroduction to Spatial Analysis/Lesson
  RequiredTrue/Required
  Time2/Time
   /Content
 ...etc...
 
 How do I write the query to insert each record into each subsequent
 node
 instead of inserting the first record each time?
 
 Or, is there a cfscript out there that will take a table and convert
 its
 contents to XML with the nodes being named what the field names are
 named?  I have searched the web, but haven't found one yet.
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: Purging client variables

2005-07-13 Thread Phillip Duba
Is there a way to disable this as we have written and scheduled our own tasks 
due to a clustered/mirrored environment, performance needs and just our general 
setup? We tried 0,0 for the time and that just ate up memory. Our client vars 
are stored in a database. Thanks,

Phil

The CF admin has a setting for exactly that, with a length of time you
want to keep them around.  Other than that, just doing a DELETE
against the database will wipe them out quite effectively.

cheers,
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 What is the preferred method to purge old client variables, either from the
 Registry or database?  Thanks.
 
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RE: Simple XML cfscript question

2005-07-13 Thread Merrill, Jason
Thanks very much  - could you shoot me an example of usage of both
columnlist and listlen() in this context?  I'm new to ColdFusion and
can't quite wrap my head around it.  

I tried:

for (i = 1; i LTE #qLessons.RecordCount#; i = i + 1){
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Content);
for(n = 1; n LTE 4; n = n + 1){
lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[n] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,#qLessons.columnlist[n]#);
...etc...

for example, and that didn't work...

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Re: Simple XML cfscript question

2005-07-13 Thread Anthony Prato
i'm a bit rusty on my syntax, i've been working on some asp projects
recently (yuk)

try this out
cfscript
   lrXML = XmlNew();
   lrXML.xmlRoot = XmlElemNew(lrXML,lData);
   for (ii = 1; ii LTE qAllLessons.RecordCount; ii = ii + 1){
   lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[ii] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,Content);

 for (kk = 1; kk LTE listlen(qAllLessons.columnlist); kk = kk + 1) {
 lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[ii].XmlChildren[kk] =
XmlElemNew(lrXML,#listgetat(qAllLessons.columnlist,kk)#);

lrXML.lData.XmlChildren[ii].XmlChildren[kk].XmlText =
qAllLessons[#listgetat(qAllLessons.columnlist,kk)#][ii]
 }
}
/cfscript

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Re: Pound Sign Replacement

2005-07-13 Thread Barney Boisvert
I believe this will do it for double-quote delimited strings.  You'll
have to run it multiple times to catch strings that have multiple
hashes in them.  Then just flip the double quotes for single quotes
and run it again to get the single-quote delimited strings. It might
not be perfect, but it should give you a place to start.

REreplace(myText, '([^]*)##([^]*)', \1\2, all)

cheers,
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 I've got a compiled application that can be programmed to output ColdFusion
 code along with its regular output, writing CF templates that later run
 under CF 5.0.  However if any of its regular output contains pound signs,
 CF throws an error when the template is executed.  Both these examples will
 fail:
 
 CFSCRIPT
 Test = 'SKU # 1716-SY-367';
 /CFSCRIPT
 
 Or
 
 CFSET Test = 'SKU # 1716-SY-367'
 
 
 What I would LIKE to do is use Replace or REReplace or somehow escape the
 damn pound signs out of the strings more or less like so:
 
 CFSET Test = #REplace(SKU # 1716-SY-367, #Chr(35)#, , ALL)#  --
 but it doesn't work.
 
 (#Chr(35)# in the REplace function will replace say, DOUBLE pound signs in
 the string, so at least that works)
 
 It is not possible to use the original compiled application to either
 double up the pound signs or eliminate them, I have to work with the output
 it gives me and it isn't very sophisticated.  I can use it to output any CF
 code I want but I have to deal with the strings it gives me.  Your help
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Re: Purging client variables

2005-07-13 Thread Barney Boisvert
You can turn off the automatic flushing.  I think you do it per
configured DB-based client store.

cheers,
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How to authenticate using cf 4.5

2005-07-13 Thread Brian Yager
Hello all...I have been given a CF 4.5 system and have to create some new 
modules.  We are using Windows 2000 Server.  I am using an NT challenge when 
they come to the site.  I want to be able to grab that information.  I know 
that cgi.auth_user is the user name.  I thought cgi.auth_pass was the password. 
 Problem is, the password isn't there.  Does anyone know of anyway I can get 
the authenticated password?  I use the NT login info for all my queries.

Thanks,

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starting CF with ASP.NET

2005-07-13 Thread Ken Ferguson
So, now that I have these great utilities to zip up my directories it'd 
be nice if the CF server was actually running. I've found some VB code I 
can use for this, but I don't know much about ASP.NET, so please forgive 
my ignorance, but how can I actually use this from an aspx page?

'serviceControl.vb
'---
Imports System.ServiceProcess
public static void StartService(string strServiceName)
{
   System.ServiceProcess.ServiceController sc2 =
 new System.ServiceProcess.ServiceController(strServiceName,  .);
   
if 
(sc2.Status.Equals(System.ServiceProcess.ServiceControllerStatus.Stopped))
{
  sc2.Start();
}
}


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Re: How to authenticate using cf 4.5

2005-07-13 Thread Anthony Prato
I've never seen any way to do this and I'm pretty sure you can't. Even
going right to active directory all you can do is set passwords, you
can't return their value. Most of the time on intranets I only allow
NT auth and just use the username in the queries. If only NTauth is
active they should (never know its M$) be valid users to even start
processing your CF page.

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Re: How to authenticate using cf 4.5

2005-07-13 Thread Brian Yager
The system I worked on before this one (MX6.1 Windows 2000 server) did this.  
When the user logged in using NT challenge, that info was passed into the 
application somehow.  I was just figuring it was some function that was present 
in MX.  I'll have to go into the code and see what was going on for that.  

Brian


I've never seen any way to do this and I'm pretty sure you can't. Even
going right to active directory all you can do is set passwords, you
can't return their value. Most of the time on intranets I only allow
NT auth and just use the username in the queries. If only NTauth is
active they should (never know its M$) be valid users to even start
processing your CF page.

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RE: How to authenticate using cf 4.5

2005-07-13 Thread Dave Watts
 Hello all...I have been given a CF 4.5 system and have to 
 create some new modules.  We are using Windows 2000 Server.  
 I am using an NT challenge when they come to the site.  I 
 want to be able to grab that information.  I know that 
 cgi.auth_user is the user name.  I thought cgi.auth_pass was 
 the password.  Problem is, the password isn't there.  Does 
 anyone know of anyway I can get the authenticated password?  
 I use the NT login info for all my queries.

To the best of my knowledge, you can't get the Windows password for the
user. That would be a pretty serious violation of the Windows authentication
model, in which password should never be directly retrievable. Assuming
you're using Windows authentication within IIS instead of Basic
Authentication, the password itself is never sent from the browser to the
server - only a hash of that password is sent.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by use the NT login info for your
queries. Do you use Windows authentication against a SQL Server database
from CF?

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Re: How to authenticate using cf 4.5

2005-07-13 Thread Anthony Prato
I think I've seen a trick where you use an html form and then
authenticate(programmatic, using headers or something, can't remember)
so you have the password that way, but I've never seen the password
grabbed from the NT auth popup. If you find that code please share it
either on list or directly to me. That would be handy.

Anthony

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RE: starting CF with ASP.NET

2005-07-13 Thread Matthew Small
I believe that is part of the code for a Window service itself (I could be
wrong, I don't have a ton of experience writing services).  I don't see
anything in there that would actually do anything except start an
as-of-yet-unknown service.  What is the utility that you want to use that
will zip the directories? 

 
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-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: starting CF with ASP.NET

So, now that I have these great utilities to zip up my directories it'd 
be nice if the CF server was actually running. I've found some VB code I 
can use for this, but I don't know much about ASP.NET, so please forgive 
my ignorance, but how can I actually use this from an aspx page?

'serviceControl.vb
'---
Imports System.ServiceProcess
public static void StartService(string strServiceName)
{
   System.ServiceProcess.ServiceController sc2 =
 new System.ServiceProcess.ServiceController(strServiceName,  .);
   
if 
(sc2.Status.Equals(System.ServiceProcess.ServiceControllerStatus.Stopped))
{
  sc2.Start();
}
}


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RE: starting CF with ASP.NET

2005-07-13 Thread Matthew Small
Sorry, I misunderstood the post.   You should create a page that calls this
function and pass in the name of the Service Process, if this method works
as advertised.
Something like


//StartCF.aspx.vb
//---

imports System.ServiceProcess;
imports System...

public void Page_Load (object sender, System.EventArgs e)
{
StartService(ColdFusion); // Use the name of the CF service 
}


public static void StartService(string strServiceName)
{
   System.ServiceProcess.ServiceController sc2 =
 new System.ServiceProcess.ServiceController(strServiceName,  .);
   
if 
(sc2.Status.Equals(System.ServiceProcess.ServiceControllerStatus.Stopped))
{
  sc2.Start();
}
}



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-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: starting CF with ASP.NET

So, now that I have these great utilities to zip up my directories it'd 
be nice if the CF server was actually running. I've found some VB code I 
can use for this, but I don't know much about ASP.NET, so please forgive 
my ignorance, but how can I actually use this from an aspx page?

'serviceControl.vb
'---
Imports System.ServiceProcess
public static void StartService(string strServiceName)
{
   System.ServiceProcess.ServiceController sc2 =
 new System.ServiceProcess.ServiceController(strServiceName,  .);
   
if 
(sc2.Status.Equals(System.ServiceProcess.ServiceControllerStatus.Stopped))
{
  sc2.Start();
}
}


Thanks,
Ferg




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Re: cfm bb

2005-07-13 Thread Kevin Aebig
As long as you know that, more power to you! =]

If I get some free time, I'd be happy to help out.

Cheers,

Kevin

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Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: cfm bb


 it is a clusterf*ck-o-code but if it was in cfm at least it would be easy 
 to manipulate it how you want it.

 I use it all the time and would love to have it in cfm instead of the 
 headache inducing php but even if it's not for that it's for the community 
 and by ppl not doing anything it puts us right were we are now (as far as 
 sharing apps goes, way behind)

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 From: Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:23 AM
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Subject: Re: cfm bb

 I've been working at integrating a big site into the phpbb framework... 
 and
 I wouldn't want to port this chunk if someone paid me. Its completely 
 hacked
 and slashed together.

 I'd sincerely suggest trying to acheive the same features (and even some 
 of
 those are worthless), but to do it differently... and plan a method of
 attack as its quite obvious they didn't.

 Cheers,

 Kevin

 - Original Message - 
 From: dave
 To: CF-Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:45 PM
 Subject: cfm bb

 for those who havent heard there is a new project to port phpbb to a cfm
 bb, I think Ben blogged about it.
 If you have free time please sign up and help out :)

 http://www.cfopenbb.com/

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RE: How to authenticate using cf 4.5

2005-07-13 Thread Brian Yager
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by use the NT login info for your
queries. Do you use Windows authentication against a SQL Server database
from CF?

I use the users NT login information to log into my databases.  I have it set 
up when they change there password to also change it in the database.  It's an 
extra security measure that puts most of the security on the database side.  
Everything is based off of their roles in the database.



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cfform / cfgrid / pagination

2005-07-13 Thread Tangorre, Michael
Has anyone come up with a nice way to use cfgrid and have previous/next
buttons to traverse large record sets?


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Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Ian Skinner
I would like as civilized discussion on the differences between .NET and 
ColdFusion MX7 Enterprise.

I know all the arguments of free vs. licensing, ease of language, ect and I am 
not looking to rehash those.

I would like a break down of features one has and the other doesn't, such as 
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RE: Simple XML cfscript question

2005-07-13 Thread Merrill, Jason
Nevermind, after some headaches, I figured it out on my own:

cfquery name=GetAll datasource=coursesDB  
SELECT * FROM Lessons
/cfquery

!-- the following query used to dynamically get the table names !--
cfquery name=GetTables datasource=coursesDB
   SELECT MSysObjects.Name
 FROM MSysObjects
WHERE MSysObjects.Flags = 0
  AND MSysObjects.Type = 1
ORDER BY MSysObjects.Name
/cfquery

cfscript
d = XmlNew();
d.xmlRoot = XmlElemNew(d, #GetTables.Name#);
for (i=1; i LTE #GetAll.RecordCount#; i=i+1){
d[#GetTables.Name#].XmlChildren[i] =
XmlElemNew(d,Content);
for(n=1; n LTE listLen(#GetAll.ColumnList#); n=n+1){

d[#GetTables.Name#].XmlChildren[i].XmlChildren[n] =
XmlElemNew(d,#ListGetAt(GetAll.ColumnList,n)#);

d[#GetTables.Name#].XmlChildren[i][#ListGetAt(GetAll.ColumnList,n)#].Xml
Text = #GetAll[#ListGetAt(GetAll.ColumnList,n)#][i]#;
}
}
/cfscript

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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Jacob
http://www.promoteware.com/Module/Article/ArticleView.aspx?id=10

-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Not to start a flame war.

I would like as civilized discussion on the differences between .NET and
ColdFusion MX7 Enterprise.

I know all the arguments of free vs. licensing, ease of language, ect and I
am not looking to rehash those.

I would like a break down of features one has and the other doesn't, such as
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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Tangorre, Michael
 From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 http://www.promoteware.com/Module/Article/ArticleView.aspx?id=10

Seems a little MS Heavy. Also, look at the test notes...

Test Notes: Each application was executed on identical Compaq Proliant
servers; J2EE was tested on two Application Servers, one of which
crashed midway and did not complete the test; J2EE used an Oracle 9i
database while .Net used a SQL Server 2000 database; J2EE ran on Windows
2000 because it outperformed RedHat Linux 7.2 in a trial test.  For the
complete study, visit...

How can you run a test comparing A and B when the environment is not
even the same?

Oh well.

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Re: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
Not to pour gas on a flame war, but...

Notice the extension on the following page. Think it is a completely
objective article? Also note their business is selling .net web
modules.

Just a thought.

On 7/13/05, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread dave
LOL, thats only a WEE bit biased!

 how bout this part of it, can I run it on whatever platform, hardware, 
software I or my client wants or am I stuck made to use only microsoft 
crap.

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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:36 PM
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http://www.promoteware.com/Module/Article/ArticleView.aspx?id=10

-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Not to start a flame war.

I would like as civilized discussion on the differences between .NET and
ColdFusion MX7 Enterprise.

I know all the arguments of free vs. licensing, ease of language, ect and I
am not looking to rehash those.

I would like a break down of features one has and the other doesn't, such as
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Re: include udf in fusebox 4.1?

2005-07-13 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter
On 7/12/05, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You can't.  The INCLUDE verb in FB4.x is a fusebox thing, not a CF
 thing.  More specifically, it's an include to a fuse inside the
 circuit you're currently operating, while CFINCLUDE is an include to
 an arbitrary CFM file on the server.  If you want CFINCLUDE's
 behaviour, you have to use CFINCLUDE, most likely within an action
 fuse.

An alternative is to use the Fusebox 4.1 lexicon capbility to write
your own tag that can do a cfinclude. For an example, take a look at
http://www.fusebox.org/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=27threadid=4868

Or you could write a plugin and pull in the UDF libraries in the
preProcess phase (using CFINCLUDE in the plugin)

Or you can even use a globalpreprocess do action.

Point is, there are a lot of choices :)



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Sorting QofQ in ORDER BY

2005-07-13 Thread Lincoln Milner
I've got a QofQ that I want to order on a character field.  Only the
field contains only numbers (don't ask), and the user wants it sorted as
if they were numbers (1, 2, 3, ...) not strings (1, 10, 11, 2, 3, ...).
Simple enough in database (Oracle in this case) since you can just
TO_NUMBER() the value, but you apparently don't have that luxury in QofQ
(it doesn't like parentheses in the SQL statements.
 
So anyone have any ideas on how I can do this?  I'm running out of
options and no can do isn't sitting well with the user.
 
Thanks!
 
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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Jacob
Okay.. to be balanced.

http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cf_aspnet06.html

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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.

LOL, thats only a WEE bit biased!

 how bout this part of it, can I run it on whatever platform, hardware,
software I or my client wants or am I stuck made to use only microsoft
crap.

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-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Not to start a flame war.

I would like as civilized discussion on the differences between .NET and
ColdFusion MX7 Enterprise.

I know all the arguments of free vs. licensing, ease of language, ect and I
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I would like a break down of features one has and the other doesn't, such as
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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Ian Skinner
Yes, but I consider it useful information, once the bias is considered.  I'm am 
trying to find other similar sources with different biases.

Your point is a good one; if that is the business you are in.  

I am looking at this more from an internal behind the firewall point of view. 
 What are the pros and cons of each for a blood bank's internal information 
technology department?  We currently do a mix.  Should we continue with the 
mix, or concentrate on one or the other.

I, as the unofficial CF expert, have the task of defining ColdFusion's pros and 
cons.


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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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LOL, thats only a WEE bit biased!

 how bout this part of it, can I run it on whatever platform, hardware,
software I or my client wants or am I stuck made to use only microsoft
crap.

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http://www.promoteware.com/Module/Article/ArticleView.aspx?id=10

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From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Not to start a flame war.

I would like as civilized discussion on the differences between .NET and
ColdFusion MX7 Enterprise.

I know all the arguments of free vs. licensing, ease of language, ect and
I
am not looking to rehash those.

I would like a break down of features one has and the other doesn't, such
as
verity in ColdFusion.

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Re: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
To try to contribute something to the discussion, I have a few thoughts.

Each of these application servers is a tool. Each can do pretty much
the same thing as the others, although the syntax and methodologies
differ. All can read from a db. All can create PDF files. All can
index and search documents. The ease and integration is the only big
difference in my mind.

Like all tools, some excel at one task, some at another.

The questions I try to ask are:
How important is rapid prototyping vs a detailed software development plan?
Does your development staff have a particular expertise?
Has your business logic or modules already been developed for your
industry in a particular language?
Do you need to interface with other data systems? Particular file formats? 
How important is state.
What are the existing hardware/sofware constraints?


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 Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:26 AM
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 Subject: Not to start a flame war.
 
 I would like as civilized discussion on the differences between .NET and
 ColdFusion MX7 Enterprise.

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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Mark A Kruger
No dice... this is referring to classic ASP.  .NET is definitely as
full-featured as CF. The point on language accessibility is well-taken
though.

-mark


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Okay.. to be balanced.

http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cf_aspnet06.html

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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.

LOL, thats only a WEE bit biased!

 how bout this part of it, can I run it on whatever platform, hardware,
software I or my client wants or am I stuck made to use only microsoft
crap.

~Dave the disruptor~
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient
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http://www.promoteware.com/Module/Article/ArticleView.aspx?id=10

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From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Not to start a flame war.

I would like as civilized discussion on the differences between .NET and
ColdFusion MX7 Enterprise.

I know all the arguments of free vs. licensing, ease of language, ect and I
am not looking to rehash those.

I would like a break down of features one has and the other doesn't, such as
verity in ColdFusion.

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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Robert Munn
There are two big choices in Web development- Java and .NET. Everything else is 
marginal in the corporate world, regardless of what the PHP folks say ;-).

...NET is the Microsoft camp, CFMX is part of the Java camp. That is the core 
difference. Does your organization believe in MSFT apps and plan to be married 
to MSFT for the long term?

With CF, you can use CFMX or Blue Dragon (even BD.NET). You can use whatever 
Java platform you prefer and are willing to pay for/deal with. You can pick 
from a variety of supported operating systems. 

I believe either choice is a legitimate one, but the choice should reflect the 
philosophy of the organization. 

The third choice, of course, is to use both. That works best in big 
organizations where they can hire sufficient staff to support both 
technologies. 



 Yes, but I consider it useful information, once the bias is considered.  
 I'm am trying to find other similar sources with different biases.
 
 Your point is a good one; if that is the business you are in.  
 
 I am looking at this more from an internal behind the firewall point 
 of view.  What are the pros and cons of each for a blood bank's 
 internal information technology department?  We currently do a mix.  
 Should we continue with the mix, or concentrate on one or the other.
 
 I, as the unofficial CF expert, have the task of defining ColdFusion's 
 pros and cons.
 
 
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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Matt Osbun
Go a little further into the article to page 8, where ColdFusion and
ASP.NET are discussed.
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cf_aspnet08.html

Or maybe a little earlier in the article, where the author discusses
..NET, independent of the language used.

http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cf_aspnet03.html



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-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.


No dice... this is referring to classic ASP.  .NET is definitely as
full-featured as CF. The point on language accessibility is well-taken
though.

-mark


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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread dave
actually, thats not a very good one either (suprisingly)
 for example on some of the examples where it addes extra lines for cfoutput, 
as most of use surround the body with 1 output not once every time its needed.

 heres my take on it all

 cfmx7 give you RAD develpment and if extra power is needed you can tap into 
java or if you have a .net specific item you can run that as well (if on a bd 
server), you can also run it on what you want. 

 .net seems to be better for people who want to think highly of themselfs a 
traditional programmers but yet aren't enough of a programmer to learn java.

 Personally,  I will take the RAD of cfm with the luxury of knowing if I need 
any additional power that I have it and be able to offer my customers good 
sites faster, cheaper and it gives me time to worry about the users experience 
more than about whether my c++ code is worthy of master geek status.

 It funny how I also seem to be in this debate with ppl and the funny thing is 
the .net guys seem to be more worried about .net making them more of a 
programmer, personally I could care less if I am a programmer, I would 
rather worry about how I can make my clients successful over my own self 
indulgence.

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A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital 
to form a corporation. 


From: Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:57 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war. 

Okay.. to be balanced.

http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cf_aspnet06.html

-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.

LOL, thats only a WEE bit biased!

 how bout this part of it, can I run it on whatever platform, hardware,
software I or my client wants or am I stuck made to use only microsoft
crap.

~Dave the disruptor~
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient
capital to form a corporation. 


From: Jacob 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:36 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war. 

http://www.promoteware.com/Module/Article/ArticleView.aspx?id=10

-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Not to start a flame war.

I would like as civilized discussion on the differences between .NET and
ColdFusion MX7 Enterprise.

I know all the arguments of free vs. licensing, ease of language, ect and I
am not looking to rehash those.

I would like a break down of features one has and the other doesn't, such as
verity in ColdFusion.

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Re: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Joe Rinehart
I spent a while doing .NET development, this summed up my experience:

http://clearsoftware.net/client/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=3AD583EF-E081-2BAC-69DEECDEFD01C4BE

-Joe

On 7/13/05, Matt Osbun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Go a little further into the article to page 8, where ColdFusion and
 ASP.NET are discussed.
 http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cf_aspnet08.html
 
 Or maybe a little earlier in the article, where the author discusses
 ..NET, independent of the language used.
 
 http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cf_aspnet03.html
 
 
 
 Matt Osbun
 Web Developer
 Health Systems, International
 5975 Castle Creek Parkway Ste. 100
 Indianapolis, IN 46250
 Phone/Fax: 317-806-2009
 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:07 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.
 
 
 No dice... this is referring to classic ASP.  .NET is definitely as
 full-featured as CF. The point on language accessibility is well-taken
 though.
 
 -mark
 
 
 

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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Stewart, Ryan
One of the main benefits that I think ColdFusion has over .NET is the
fact that it is a Macromedia product.

Macromedia is (for now) the undisputed king of Rich Internet
Applications.  With Flex and Flash defining the landscape of this part
of the internet, having a backend that is almost seamlessly integrated
with these two technologies is extremely useful.

As Flex matures, I think that many of its most powerful features will
leverage ColdFusion.  It will be ColdFusion helping to power many of
Macromedia's RIAs in the future, so it makes sense to add that as a plus
to the CF side.

-Ryan

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-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Not to start a flame war.

I would like as civilized discussion on the differences between .NET and
ColdFusion MX7 Enterprise.

I know all the arguments of free vs. licensing, ease of language, ect
and I am not looking to rehash those.

I would like a break down of features one has and the other doesn't,
such as verity in ColdFusion.



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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Mark A Kruger
Ah... sorry - I didn't see that... good examples there.

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From: Matt Osbun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.


Go a little further into the article to page 8, where ColdFusion and
ASP.NET are discussed.
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cf_aspnet08.html

Or maybe a little earlier in the article, where the author discusses
...NET, independent of the language used.

http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cf_aspnet03.html



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-Original Message-
From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.


No dice... this is referring to classic ASP.  .NET is definitely as
full-featured as CF. The point on language accessibility is well-taken
though.

-mark




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Re: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Nathan Strutz
Technically, that's not the right comparison.

..NET vs Java makes more sense, as they are both comparable runtime 
platforms with their own strengths and weaknesses.

I think you mean the difference between ASP.NET and ColdFusion.

It's not easy to compile a list of everything each platform can do that 
the other can't, and I have no doubts that whatever you find will be 
somewhat one-sided in either direction.

If you have enough time, you can build anything with either platform, 
verity in .NET would be a real difficulty, as well as things like the 
SMS gateway, and a lot of the shortcuts CF gives you (cfhttp, cffile, 
cfftp, flash forms, cfchart, cfdump, cfreport, cfdocument, flash 
remoting, omg, where to stop? ). On the other hand, you'd have to work 
hard and write a fair amount of Java to do a lot of the things you are 
forced to do in .NET, most of them relating to speed and not having to 
go out of cf's box (more powerful io, image processing, integration with 
windows, collections, buffered strings, .net remoting).

Most of the same arguments can be made for cf vs j2ee, as Java is every 
bit as capable as .NET. Through the magic of createObject(java), you 
can do everything asp.net can do using java.

Once you start writing asp.net or jsp  servlets, it opens your mind to 
more things you can do with the platform, like integrating java into CF, 
finding easier solutions through external objects to some problems you 
may have while using CF, and building desktop apps  utilities for site 
management or whatever.


-nathan strutz


Ian Skinner wrote:
 I would like as civilized discussion on the differences between .NET and 
 ColdFusion MX7 Enterprise.
 
 I know all the arguments of free vs. licensing, ease of language, ect and I 
 am not looking to rehash those.
 
 I would like a break down of features one has and the other doesn't, such as 
 verity in ColdFusion.
 

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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Damien McKenna
Never being ones to not paint lofty dreams of future products, but Microsoft is 
obviously intending their Avalon GUI system to take over from web applications 
in that it can be used to develop RIAs.

Damien

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Sent:   Wed 7/13/2005 3:29 PM
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Cc: 
Subject:RE: Not to start a flame war.
One of the main benefits that I think ColdFusion has over .NET is the
fact that it is a Macromedia product.

Macromedia is (for now) the undisputed king of Rich Internet
Applications.  With Flex and Flash defining the landscape of this part
of the internet, having a backend that is almost seamlessly integrated
with these two technologies is extremely useful.

As Flex matures, I think that many of its most powerful features will
leverage ColdFusion.  It will be ColdFusion helping to power many of
Macromedia's RIAs in the future, so it makes sense to add that as a plus
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Re: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Nathan Strutz
And while we're on the subject, asp.net 2.0 is due out this november, I 
hear. They say it's supposed to cut down coding by 70%, which, by my 
calculations, should bring it down closer to cf's level.

I'm no advocate, but I will be evaluating it around october to see what 
it can do.

-nathan strutz



Damien McKenna wrote:
 Never being ones to not paint lofty dreams of future products, but Microsoft 
 is obviously intending their Avalon GUI system to take over from web 
 applications in that it can be used to develop RIAs.
 
 Damien
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Stewart, Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wed 7/13/2005 3:29 PM
 To:   CF-Talk
 Cc:   
 Subject:  RE: Not to start a flame war.
 One of the main benefits that I think ColdFusion has over .NET is the
 fact that it is a Macromedia product.
 
 Macromedia is (for now) the undisputed king of Rich Internet
 Applications.  With Flex and Flash defining the landscape of this part
 of the internet, having a backend that is almost seamlessly integrated
 with these two technologies is extremely useful.
 
 As Flex matures, I think that many of its most powerful features will
 leverage ColdFusion.  It will be ColdFusion helping to power many of
 Macromedia's RIAs in the future, so it makes sense to add that as a plus
 to the CF side.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Sorting QofQ in ORDER BY

2005-07-13 Thread Jon Gunnip
If you are on CF7, then you can use Cast() in the query of queries to
convert a column to a specific type. For example,

cfquery
SELECT Cast(StringColumn as Integer) as NumberColumn FROM MyQuery
/cfquery

You might not be able to due the order by in the same statement.  You
might need an additional query of queries to accomplish that.

For more info, see http://livedocs.macromedia.com/
coldfusion/7/htmldocs/1271.htm

Jon

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 (it doesn't like parentheses in the SQL statements.
 
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ColdFusion Birthday

2005-07-13 Thread Connie DeCinko
Are there any live Breeze presentations of the birthday party today?
 
 
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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Matthew Small
Ian, you need to get a balanced view from some people who have extensive
experience writing ASP.NET, and who aren't religious about MS vs OpenSource.
 
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-Original Message-
From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.

And while we're on the subject, asp.net 2.0 is due out this november, I 
hear. They say it's supposed to cut down coding by 70%, which, by my 
calculations, should bring it down closer to cf's level.

I'm no advocate, but I will be evaluating it around october to see what 
it can do.

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Re: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread dave
 They say it's supposed to cut down coding by 70%,
 oh great, so that means you will be trusting m$ to write more of your code 
behind the scene?
 I thought ppl learned that lesson with frontpage, so I take it they will just 
hide the code from you this time around so we can't criticize it.
 Can you even imagine that validation nightmare! and of course it will only run 
properly on ie

 And i am sure while they are at it will also perform a free spyware 
cleansing of your system (conveniently skipping their newly acquired biggest 
spyware company in the world they just purchased and conveniently removed from 
their spyware cleaner) whenever you view the page.

~Dave the disruptor~
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to form a corporation. 


From: Nathan Strutz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war. 

And while we're on the subject, asp.net 2.0 is due out this november, I 
hear. They say it's supposed to cut down coding by 70%, which, by my 
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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Mark A Kruger
Now I must say that is very well spoken.

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.


Ian, you need to get a balanced view from some people who have extensive
experience writing ASP.NET, and who aren't religious about MS vs OpenSource.

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-Original Message-
From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.

And while we're on the subject, asp.net 2.0 is due out this november, I
hear. They say it's supposed to cut down coding by 70%, which, by my
calculations, should bring it down closer to cf's level.

I'm no advocate, but I will be evaluating it around october to see what
it can do.

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Re: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Adrocknaphobia
But only run on windows within InternetExplorer on longhorn...
with 64 bit processors when its not raining...

-Adam

On 7/13/05, Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Never being ones to not paint lofty dreams of future products, but Microsoft 
 is obviously intending their Avalon GUI system to take over from web 
 applications in that it can be used to develop RIAs.
 
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Re: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Charlie Griefer
your willingness to always look at things openly and objectively never
ceases to amaze... :)

On 7/13/05, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  They say it's supposed to cut down coding by 70%,
  oh great, so that means you will be trusting m$ to write more of your code 
 behind the scene?
  I thought ppl learned that lesson with frontpage, so I take it they will 
 just hide the code from you this time around so we can't criticize it.
  Can you even imagine that validation nightmare! and of course it will only 
 run properly on ie
 
  And i am sure while they are at it will also perform a free spyware 
 cleansing of your system (conveniently skipping their newly acquired biggest 
 spyware company in the world they just purchased and conveniently removed 
 from their spyware cleaner) whenever you view the page.
 
 ~Dave the disruptor~
 A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient 
 capital to form a corporation.
 
 
 From: Nathan Strutz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:59 PM
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.
 
 And while we're on the subject, asp.net 2.0 is due out this november, I
 hear. They say it's supposed to cut down coding by 70%, which, by my
 calculations, should bring it down closer to cf's level.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: ColdFusion Birthday

2005-07-13 Thread Dave Watts
 Are there any live Breeze presentations of the birthday party today?

They will be shown at your local user group, I think. For understandable
reasons, they don't want thousands of folks just coming into a single Breeze
meeting room.

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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Damien McKenna
 But only run on windows within InternetExplorer on longhorn...
 with 64 bit processors when its not raining...

Rain excluded, that'll be low-end by the time it launches - AMD are
already prepping 64bit Sempron's (their current low-end CPU).

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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Ian Skinner
How important is rapid prototyping vs a detailed software development plan?  We 
are a small group of programmers in an environment that does not yet have a 
fixed development methodology.  Projects are currently assigned to an 
individual programmer to do with as he/she best can.  So, I would say this 
leans us to the favor the rapid while we develop a better overall development 
methodology.  But, each sides says theirs is faster, is there any way to 
objectively measure this?

Does your development staff have a particular expertise?
Well, two of us are long time CF developers, one is a long time Visual Basic 
but new to web developer and one is newish to both CF and ASP.NET.

Has your business logic or modules already been developed for your industry in 
a particular language?
Well the reason this organization originally went with CF was that the major 
tool was written on CF, that tool as apparently now being reworked into .NET so 
we got a .NET guy.  Now they are thinking we need to consolidate to one, but 
which one is open to debate. 

Do you need to interface with other data systems?
YES, and I believe ever more so in the future as we start creating data 
connections with our clients.

Particular file formats? 
No, we use a wide range for file formats.

How important is state.
Nothing that has presented a problem in current development.

What are the existing hardware/software constraints?
We have a mix of UNIS and Windows boxes, but all the web servers are currently 
Windows.

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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Ian Skinner
We currently do a mix, we have one Visual Basic guy, two ColdFusion, and a 
half/half guy.

Until recently, the main purpose of this department was to create reports and 
analyze data primarily with Crystal Reports and a product called QUIZ.

In just the last couple of years, we have started to take on full blown 
application development, particularly web development.  Being a large, 
geographically diverse organization, there is a lot of appeal to use to 
intranet applications.


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-Original Message-
From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.

There are two big choices in Web development- Java and .NET. Everything
else is marginal in the corporate world, regardless of what the PHP folks
say ;-).

...NET is the Microsoft camp, CFMX is part of the Java camp. That is the
core difference. Does your organization believe in MSFT apps and plan to
be married to MSFT for the long term?

With CF, you can use CFMX or Blue Dragon (even BD.NET). You can use
whatever Java platform you prefer and are willing to pay for/deal with.
You can pick from a variety of supported operating systems.

I believe either choice is a legitimate one, but the choice should
reflect the philosophy of the organization.

The third choice, of course, is to use both. That works best in big
organizations where they can hire sufficient staff to support both
technologies.



 Yes, but I consider it useful information, once the bias is considered.
 I'm am trying to find other similar sources with different biases.

 Your point is a good one; if that is the business you are in.

 I am looking at this more from an internal behind the firewall point
 of view.  What are the pros and cons of each for a blood bank's
 internal information technology department?  We currently do a mix.
 Should we continue with the mix, or concentrate on one or the other.

 I, as the unofficial CF expert, have the task of defining ColdFusion's
 pros and cons.


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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Ian Skinner
Can anybody point to any useful metrics that support the RAD aspect of 
ColdFusion over ASP.NET.  It's one I've always felt true and I did do one 
comparison back in the ASP vs. CF4.5 days.  It would be nice to have something 
more current and independent.


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-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.

actually, thats not a very good one either (suprisingly)
 for example on some of the examples where it addes extra lines for
cfoutput, as most of use surround the body with 1 output not once every
time its needed.

 heres my take on it all

 cfmx7 give you RAD develpment and if extra power is needed you can tap
into java or if you have a .net specific item you can run that as well
(if on a bd server), you can also run it on what you want.

 .net seems to be better for people who want to think highly of themselfs
a traditional programmers but yet aren't enough of a programmer to
learn java.

 Personally,  I will take the RAD of cfm with the luxury of knowing if I
need any additional power that I have it and be able to offer my
customers good sites faster, cheaper and it gives me time to worry about
the users experience more than about whether my c++ code is worthy of
master geek status.

 It funny how I also seem to be in this debate with ppl and the funny
thing is the .net guys seem to be more worried about .net making them
more of a programmer, personally I could care less if I am a
programmer, I would rather worry about how I can make my clients
successful over my own self indulgence.

~Dave the disruptor~
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient
capital to form a corporation.


From: Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:57 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.

Okay.. to be balanced.

http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cf_aspnet06.html

-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.

LOL, thats only a WEE bit biased!

 how bout this part of it, can I run it on whatever platform, hardware,
software I or my client wants or am I stuck made to use only microsoft
crap.

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.

http://www.promoteware.com/Module/Article/ArticleView.aspx?id=10

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Not to start a flame war.

I would like as civilized discussion on the differences between .NET and
ColdFusion MX7 Enterprise.

I know all the arguments of free vs. licensing, ease of language, ect and
I
am not looking to rehash those.

I would like a break down of features one has and the other doesn't, such
as
verity in ColdFusion.

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Re: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread dave
hehe
I have no problem looking at things openly so long as they arent micro$oft, 
they burned that bridge a long time ago.

But seriously, if you are a .net developer and m$ comes in and says they will 
reduce the code by 70% wouldnt that seriously worry you? Maybe you should 
refresh your memory and load up frontpage and take a look at what micro$oft 
code looks like. I mean even with all the money in the world they still can't 
produce magic as far as I can recall m$ magic = BLOAT.

kinda like how when bill looks in the mirror and thinks damn, I am the richest 
person in the history of the world and yet I wonder why I still can't get a hot 
chic? ;)~

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 Original Message 
 From: Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:19 PM
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.
 
 your willingness to always look at things openly and objectively never
 ceases to amaze... :)
 
 On 7/13/05, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   They say it's supposed to cut down coding by 70%,
   oh great, so that means you will be trusting m$ to write more of your code 
  behind the scene?
   I thought ppl learned that lesson with frontpage, so I take it they will 
  just hide the code from you this time around so we can't criticize it.
   Can you even imagine that validation nightmare! and of course it will only 
  run properly on ie
  
   And i am sure while they are at it will also perform a free spyware 
  cleansing of your system (conveniently skipping their newly acquired 
  biggest spyware company in the world they just purchased and conveniently 
  removed from their spyware cleaner) whenever you view the page.
  
  ~Dave the disruptor~
  A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient 
  capital to form a corporation.
  
  
  From: Nathan Strutz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:59 PM
  To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
  Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.
  
  And while we're on the subject, asp.net 2.0 is due out this november, I
  hear. They say it's supposed to cut down coding by 70%, which, by my
  calculations, should bring it down closer to cf's level.
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 

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Re: Purging client variables

2005-07-13 Thread Phillip Duba
Barney, thanks. i'm looking at the settings now and i'm guessing it's the Purge 
data for clients that remain unvisited for X days checkbox? Not sure if this is 
the correct one to disable or not. And how does that relate to the purge on the 
client storage page (in MX7). Thanks,

Phil

 You can turn off the automatic flushing.  I think you do it per
 configured DB-based client store.
 
 cheers,
 barneyb
 
 On 7/13/05, Phillip Duba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Is there a way to disable this as we have written and scheduled our 
 own tasks due to a clustered/mirrored environment, performance needs 
 and just our general setup? We tried 0,0 for the time and that just 
 ate up memory. Our client vars are stored in a database. Thanks,
  
  Phil
  
 
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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Ian Skinner
quote
(cfhttp, cffile, cfftp, flash forms, cfchart, cfdump, cfreport, cfdocument, 
flash remoting, omg, where to stop? ).
/quote

Is it fair and unbiased to say that it is easier to do these things in 
ColdFusion then ASP.NET?  The Ben Forta article that was referenced earlier 
gave some good examples.  I particlularly liked the consuming a webservice.  
But was somewhat disapointed that he just left the ASP.NET version as 
difficulit without providing a code example.  Anybody have a such a thing? Or 
similar comparisons for these other features.

This is information is what I was originally looking for.  Other references and 
opinions have given me other ideas as well and this thread has been very 
helpful and relatively flame free so far.

The position I'm asked to defened is why should we spend the organizations very 
scarce dollars on ColdFusion rather then going all ASP.NET?  And I'm basically 
looking for support for the arguments such as RAD, Varity, these other built in 
functionalities that are not as simple in ASP.NET

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-Original Message-
From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.

Technically, that's not the right comparison.

..NET vs Java makes more sense, as they are both comparable runtime
platforms with their own strengths and weaknesses.

I think you mean the difference between ASP.NET and ColdFusion.

It's not easy to compile a list of everything each platform can do that
the other can't, and I have no doubts that whatever you find will be
somewhat one-sided in either direction.

If you have enough time, you can build anything with either platform,
verity in .NET would be a real difficulty, as well as things like the
SMS gateway, and a lot of the shortcuts CF gives you (cfhttp, cffile,
cfftp, flash forms, cfchart, cfdump, cfreport, cfdocument, flash
remoting, omg, where to stop? ). On the other hand, you'd have to work
hard and write a fair amount of Java to do a lot of the things you are
forced to do in .NET, most of them relating to speed and not having to
go out of cf's box (more powerful io, image processing, integration with
windows, collections, buffered strings, .net remoting).

Most of the same arguments can be made for cf vs j2ee, as Java is every
bit as capable as .NET. Through the magic of createObject(java), you
can do everything asp.net can do using java.

Once you start writing asp.net or jsp  servlets, it opens your mind to
more things you can do with the platform, like integrating java into CF,
finding easier solutions through external objects to some problems you
may have while using CF, and building desktop apps  utilities for site
management or whatever.


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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Mike Klostermeyer
The determining factor in RAD is going to be your proficiency with each
tool, not necessarily the tool itself.  I have heard from many CF/ASP.NET
guys will tell you that given an equal amount of skill between the two
tools, they can create the same app in the same amount of time with either
tool.

Sounds like you have more CF skill than anything, thereby making CF more
productive for you...right now.  The learning curve is undoubtedly shorter
with CF, so new developers lacking both skills will be more productive
sooner with CF vs. ASP.NET.

Where you see your organization going platform-wise is also your other main
factor.  The ability to change to Linux/Unix/Windows is obviously a huge
perk with CF.

Mike

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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.


Can anybody point to any useful metrics that support the RAD aspect of
ColdFusion over ASP.NET.  It's one I've always felt true and I did do one
comparison back in the ASP vs. CF4.5 days.  It would be nice to have
something more current and independent.


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.-Original Message-
.From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:19 PM
.To: CF-Talk
.Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.
.
.actually, thats not a very good one either (suprisingly)
. for example on some of the examples where it addes extra lines for
.cfoutput, as most of use surround the body with 1 output not once every
.time its needed.
.
. heres my take on it all
.
. cfmx7 give you RAD develpment and if extra power is needed you can tap
.into java or if you have a .net specific item you can run that as well
.(if on a bd server), you can also run it on what you want.
.
. .net seems to be better for people who want to think highly of
themselfs
.a traditional programmers but yet aren't enough of a programmer to
.learn java.
.
. Personally,  I will take the RAD of cfm with the luxury of knowing if I
.need any additional power that I have it and be able to offer my
.customers good sites faster, cheaper and it gives me time to worry about
.the users experience more than about whether my c++ code is worthy of
.master geek status.
.
. It funny how I also seem to be in this debate with ppl and the funny
.thing is the .net guys seem to be more worried about .net making them
.more of a programmer, personally I could care less if I am a
.programmer, I would rather worry about how I can make my clients
.successful over my own self indulgence.
.
.~Dave the disruptor~
.A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient
.capital to form a corporation.
.
.
.From: Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:57 PM
.To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
.Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.
.
.Okay.. to be balanced.
.
.http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cf_aspnet06.html
.
.-Original Message-
.From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:47 AM
.To: CF-Talk
.Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.
.
.LOL, thats only a WEE bit biased!
.
. how bout this part of it, can I run it on whatever platform, hardware,
.software I or my client wants or am I stuck made to use only microsoft
.crap.
.
.~Dave the disruptor~
.A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient
.capital to form a corporation.
.
.
.From: Jacob
.Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:36 PM
.To: CF-Talk
.Subject: RE: Not to start a flame war.
.
.http://www.promoteware.com/Module/Article/ArticleView.aspx?id=10
.
.-Original Message-
.From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:26 AM
.To: CF-Talk
.Subject: Not to start a flame war.
.
.I would like as civilized discussion on the differences between .NET and
.ColdFusion MX7 Enterprise.
.
.I know all the arguments of free vs. licensing, ease of language, ect
and
.I
.am not looking to rehash those.
.
.I would like a break down of features one has and the other doesn't,
such
.as
.verity in ColdFusion.
.
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Re: Purging client variables

2005-07-13 Thread Barney Boisvert
Yeah, that's the setting I was referring to.  Disable purging on all
but one of your servers and you'll be set.  I don't run CF7, so I
don't know about the global purge option.  Surely the docs mention it
somewhere?  The local docs have a pretty good search thingy built in.

cheers,
barneyb

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 Barney, thanks. i'm looking at the settings now and i'm guessing it's the 
 Purge data for clients that remain unvisited for X days checkbox? Not sure if 
 this is the correct one to disable or not. And how does that relate to the 
 purge on the client storage page (in MX7). Thanks,
 
 Phil
 
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RE: cfschedule task won't run

2005-07-13 Thread Dan G. Switzer, II
Jamie,

(CFMX 6.1 / Linux)

I set up a scheduled task (in the CF admin) to hit Google. It will run the
task if I hit the run now icon (next to the task in the CF admin, and the
execution gets logged in the scheduler.log, as expected.

However, it does not run automatically, and there are no entries in the
scheduler.log (except the times that I run it on-demand).

I have the identical job set up on another CFMX 6.1/Linux box, and it runs
fine, both on demand and on a schedule.

Are you sure cron is set up to run? I believe the CF Scheduler uses the OS
built-in schedule mechanisms (at least it used to.) 

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Re: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Nathan Strutz
dave wrote:
 hehe
 But seriously, if you are a .net developer and m$ comes in and says they will 
 reduce the code by 70% wouldnt that seriously worry you?

Yeah, the whole magical thing they do, translating an ASP.NET page to a 
class, and the viewstate hidden form field thing they create does scare 
me. It does seem to work, but the way they pull it off is just kinda... 
creepy.

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Re: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Clint Tredway
Here is how I see it.

If the majority of your developers know CF, then stick with that. It
costs more (both time  money) to learn .Net than it does to learn CF.
 .Net may be free to put on the server, but training and tools (VS
Studio) both cost alot more than tools  training for .Net.

my 2cents

On 7/13/05, Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 quote
 (cfhttp, cffile, cfftp, flash forms, cfchart, cfdump, cfreport, cfdocument, 
 flash remoting, omg, where to stop? ).
 /quote
 
 Is it fair and unbiased to say that it is easier to do these things in 
 ColdFusion then ASP.NET?  The Ben Forta article that was referenced earlier 
 gave some good examples.  I particlularly liked the consuming a webservice.  
 But was somewhat disapointed that he just left the ASP.NET version as 
 difficulit without providing a code example.  Anybody have a such a thing? 
 Or similar comparisons for these other features.
 
 This is information is what I was originally looking for.  Other references 
 and opinions have given me other ideas as well and this thread has been very 
 helpful and relatively flame free so far.
 
 The position I'm asked to defened is why should we spend the organizations 
 very scarce dollars on ColdFusion rather then going all ASP.NET?  And I'm 
 basically looking for support for the arguments such as RAD, Varity, these 
 other built in functionalities that are not as simple in ASP.NET
 
 --
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 BloodSource
 www.BloodSource.org
 Sacramento, CA
 
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 -Original Message-
 From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:37 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.
 
 Technically, that's not the right comparison.
 
 ..NET vs Java makes more sense, as they are both comparable runtime
 platforms with their own strengths and weaknesses.
 
 I think you mean the difference between ASP.NET and ColdFusion.
 
 It's not easy to compile a list of everything each platform can do that
 the other can't, and I have no doubts that whatever you find will be
 somewhat one-sided in either direction.
 
 If you have enough time, you can build anything with either platform,
 verity in .NET would be a real difficulty, as well as things like the
 SMS gateway, and a lot of the shortcuts CF gives you (cfhttp, cffile,
 cfftp, flash forms, cfchart, cfdump, cfreport, cfdocument, flash
 remoting, omg, where to stop? ). On the other hand, you'd have to work
 hard and write a fair amount of Java to do a lot of the things you are
 forced to do in .NET, most of them relating to speed and not having to
 go out of cf's box (more powerful io, image processing, integration with
 windows, collections, buffered strings, .net remoting).
 
 Most of the same arguments can be made for cf vs j2ee, as Java is every
 bit as capable as .NET. Through the magic of createObject(java), you
 can do everything asp.net can do using java.
 
 Once you start writing asp.net or jsp  servlets, it opens your mind to
 more things you can do with the platform, like integrating java into CF,
 finding easier solutions through external objects to some problems you
 may have while using CF, and building desktop apps  utilities for site
 management or whatever.
 
 
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Re: ColdFusion Birthday

2005-07-13 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Connie DeCinko wrote:
 Are there any live Breeze presentations of the birthday party today?

The party in Delft only had a bbq and lots of beer, no 
presentations ...

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RE: cfform / cfgrid / pagination

2005-07-13 Thread Dan G. Switzer, II
Michael,

Has anyone come up with a nice way to use cfgrid and have previous/next
buttons to traverse large record sets?

I've seen a couple of pretty neat AJAX/Grids that loaded records on the fly.
Check out these demos of the Open Source RICO project:

http://openrico.org/livegrid.page
http://openrico.org/yahooSearch.page

It's probably just what you're looking for.

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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Dave Watts
 Yeah, the whole magical thing they do, translating an ASP.NET 
 page to a class, and the viewstate hidden form field thing 
 they create does scare me. It does seem to work, but the way 
 they pull it off is just kinda... creepy.

You mean like the way CF pages get compiled as servlets, and CFFORM handles
state management for postback using the PRESERVEDATA attribute?

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RE: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Ian Skinner
Well, unless you can get a non-profit/education break for Visual Basic Studio.  
We can get either IDE for about the same amount.  

Training is an issue, but how does that play out long term.  Assuming turnover 
will be replaced with candidates versed in the chosen platform.  How many 
upgrades can one get for the price of train current staff to ASP.NET?


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From: Clint Tredway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Not to start a flame war.

Here is how I see it.

If the majority of your developers know CF, then stick with that. It
costs more (both time  money) to learn .Net than it does to learn CF.
 .Net may be free to put on the server, but training and tools (VS
Studio) both cost alot more than tools  training for .Net.

my 2cents

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Re: Not to start a flame war.....

2005-07-13 Thread Nathan Strutz
Ian Skinner wrote:
 quote
 (cfhttp, cffile, cfftp, flash forms, cfchart, cfdump, cfreport, cfdocument, 
 flash remoting, omg, where to stop? ).
 /quote
 
 Is it fair and unbiased to say that it is easier to do these things in 
 ColdFusion then ASP.NET?
 

Yep.

reading/writing a file is generally done through a file stream object, 
not easy to comprehend, and more code than cffile.

uploading a file... haven't done it, sounds difficult.

Http request aren't so bad. A generic get or simple post isn't too hard 
to do. If you start getting into complex stuff, you may find yourself 
overriding half the system.net objects.

ftp? I think you have to manage the sockets and sent ftp commands 
manually. I havn't had experience.

flash forms? yeah right.

flash remoting? only through a product from macromedia.

cfchart, cfdocument, cfreport? only through 3rd party tools or a LOT of 
coding on your part.

cfdump? they do have debugging, but not a dump your vars quickie shortcut.


For consuming a web service, you have to create a stub, usually through 
the command-line tool wsdl.exe, or through VS.NET (see: web reference). 
Then call the local stub object just like you would a local class. It's 
not really more code, it's just more work, which is why Ben said it was 
difficult.


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RE: Sorting QofQ in ORDER BY - RESOLVED

2005-07-13 Thread Lincoln Milner
That did it!  I missed the Cast() discussion in the new docs.  Good
thing we just upgraded a few weeks ago.  Or I'd be really mad right now.

Thanks for the tip! 

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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:00 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Sorting QofQ in ORDER BY

If you are on CF7, then you can use Cast() in the query of queries to
convert a column to a specific type. For example,

cfquery
SELECT Cast(StringColumn as Integer) as NumberColumn FROM MyQuery
/cfquery

You might not be able to due the order by in the same statement.  You
might need an additional query of queries to accomplish that.

For more info, see http://livedocs.macromedia.com/
coldfusion/7/htmldocs/1271.htm

Jon

On 7/13/05, Lincoln Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've got a QofQ that I want to order on a character field.  Only the 
 field contains only numbers (don't ask), and the user wants it sorted 
 as if they were numbers (1, 2, 3, ...) not strings (1, 10, 11, 2, 3,
).
 Simple enough in database (Oracle in this case) since you can just
 TO_NUMBER() the value, but you apparently don't have that luxury in 
 QofQ (it doesn't like parentheses in the SQL statements.
 
 So anyone have any ideas on how I can do this?  I'm running out of 
 options and no can do isn't sitting well with the user.
 
 Thanks!
 
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