Re: Problems Stopping and Starting Coldfusion Service (CFMX7)
I have that problem as well on my developer edition of MX7 on my PC, as you say it takes at least 3-4 mins before you can restart(I have one gig of ram). Andrew. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237323 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Problems Stopping and Starting Coldfusion Service (CFMX7)
You may not have enough ram set for the JVM or you may have messed up your JVM settings (if you edited them reciently). > Hi > > We have a problem where everytime we try to stop and restart the CF > service on a windows 2003 box it tries unsuccesfully to stop the > service for about 3 minutes and that gives an error. We then need to > wait another few minutes before we can click the start button to get > things going again. > > Anyone else seeing this and is there a fix? > > Thanks > David ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237322 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Problems Stopping and Starting Coldfusion Service (CFMX7)
Yes, I am seeing it. No I don't know of a fix. On 4/10/06, david @ red5. com. au david @ red5. com. au <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > We have a problem where everytime we try to stop and restart the CF service > on a windows 2003 box it tries unsuccesfully to stop the service for about 3 > minutes and that gives an error. We then need to wait another few minutes > before we can click the start button to get things going again. > > Anyone else seeing this and is there a fix? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237321 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Problems Stopping and Starting Coldfusion Service (CFMX7)
Hi We have a problem where everytime we try to stop and restart the CF service on a windows 2003 box it tries unsuccesfully to stop the service for about 3 minutes and that gives an error. We then need to wait another few minutes before we can click the start button to get things going again. Anyone else seeing this and is there a fix? Thanks David ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237320 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: FW: Body too long: RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions
> From what I've seen you've been pretty cordial. > I assumed in my oblivion I could have missed some > posts, thus the "I'm staying out of it", but it > was the "name calling" that set off my "flame" > ding-a-ling. No need for that here. (I guess, > I'm new, so, I don't know the lay of the > land. Could be par for the course or whatever) It's not very common on cf-talk... It's a little more common on cf-community, but primarily in political threads, so I think people learn to accept that it happens when people talk about politics (or religion). But you know we're all human and we all have bad days and we all occasionally say things that aren't necessarily particularly pleasant. I probably could have phrased my 2nd reply a bit less abbrasively. At least the one phrase that seemed to be the focus of the most attention. > Heh. Now that's odd that you would mention VHS. > Not sure how it correlates, but there's something > interesting in there. Hmmm. Well, life is such a > trip. Yay! I was just making a correlation to another technology market. :) s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237319 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Newbie Model Glue Questions
> I like Assembly. I respect people who have taken > the time to learn it. I respect the ability to learn and use Assembler too... I'm glad the market for assembler is well satisfied, since I'm not particularly interested in working with it. :) For that matter I know some C++ and am not particularly interested in working with it routinely either. > Isn't it sort o like: > CF > Java > C > ASM > 110011 ? (sorta?) > Maybe now it's more of a CF > Java > machine lang? > I've heard tell of java compiling that did better > optimization than the a human... but it's funny > that you would use a language like Java and shy > away from generated code. He he he. [= Yep, it's ironic ain't it? :) > If it's really about the number of people doing > something, vs. skill/practicality, I guess the > best solution is taking out some competition, neh? > Get yourself a nice high-powered rifle and a cozy > spot near an internet cafe. :-P Now there's a practical man. :P > Seriously tho, you'd be kind of silly to base a > tech decision based solely on supply and demand. > That gets you into the whole "king of the hill" > (the t.v. show) mentality, "find a job no one else > wants do do". Although I certainly don't base my tech decisions solely on market influences I do think it's important to consider them. A person who knows some XML is certainly more valuable in today's programming market than they would have been 10 years ago (how old is XML anyway?). In another 10 years that skill may have continued to become more valuable or it may be less valuable due to increased supply of programmers who are proficient with XML. As a programmer you have value to the company you work for as long as the company sees a need for you to produce more software, and of course if the company decides that the technology you're using isn't valuable enough anymore, then you either have to find another company that values that technology or you have to learn something else. Just ask Jim Davis whos company (Met Life?) recently decided that ColdFusion wasn't valuable enough for them anymore (I disagree with their decision, but I digress) and decided to replace all their ColdFusion applications with Java applications written on top of IBM Websphere. If lots of companies collectively decide that your preferred technology isn't valuable enough anymore, then finding another company that continues to value it becomes more difficult because of the lack of demand. Difficulty finding jobs using that technology means having to compete with others who are willing to accept lower salaries. My preference is to learn more before I need that knowledge so that I'll be prepared. Now having said that, if it suddenly became improbable that I could find a job working with ColdFusion which would pay me well enough to survive with my expenses, then I would have to find some other technology to start working with (I don't think this is going to happen in the near future), and that decision wouldn't be based purely on supply and demand. My decision to stay with ColdFusion currently isn't based purely on supply and demand, if it were, then I would probably be working in all Java jobs. :) > Sure, you'll always have work, but > is that what the goal is? That's one of my goals. :) It's not my only goal. > There will always be work to be done, just like stuff > will always be built on other stuff. The real meat and > potatoes are in the "sum is more than the parts" type > deals. I don't think language or popularity have much > to do with it, sorta. I tend to agree. I think ColdFusion as a technology does a good job of encouraging synergies. > You want to further the world as a whole, > not have job security. I'd like both. :) > I love to kill off job security. Every chance I get > I'm like, "here's how you can do it yourself, easy > like". Some co-workers fear that mentality, and wish > I'd keep it to myself. Sorta keeping an artificial > "demand" going. There will always be legit "demands" > to "supply", so who cares about the status quo? Yeah, I don't think "artificial demand" really helps people in the long run. I personally hate doing repetitive work, which is why I spend so much time encapsulating functionality, so I can avoid much repetition. > Note my use of "security" as "work" - as I believe > "good people" automatically have the type of job > security that most people talk about, and somehow > conflate with "work". I'm not so convinced, although it's nice to think that would be the case. > I'd rather see something like BETA win over VHS, > than buy into the whole "economics of numbers" > mentality. I remember being told that the US passed a trade embargo that prevented Betamax from being sold in the US, which of course artificially deflates the demand for BETA. I never researched it tho. > Just a random injection. Please be aware that I > don't condone the personal attacks this thread > has generated. I'm trying to stick primarily with stating opin
Re: Bad character crashing cfxml
>> mystring = > rereplace(mystring,"[#chr(1)#-#chr(8)##chr(11)#-#chr(12)## > chr(14)#-#chr(31)#]","","ALL"); > The only problem with this is that that you have to add > stuff that you want > removed. > You could also list what's allowed, vs. what's not > allowed, like > output="false"> > type="string"> > rereplacenocase(stringToClean,'[^a-z|A-Z|0-9|_]','','all') > > > > Which you never need to add to unless you need to add to > it, so to speak. > Only useful if you don't know before hand what's gonna get > entered i > guess... um... :-P Whatever. I go now. > :Den Heh... Well, there is that. :) The reason why I went with the removal of characters that aren't allowed in XML is because most punctuation marks and unicode characters above Z, including both accented lattin characters (umlauts, etc) and non-latin characters such as Kanji are also allowed. I was trying to ensure a solution which would work universally, and so I didn't want to inadvertently remove any character that would be legal. Incidentally, you only need to specify a-z or A-Z when using rereplacenocase -- if using rereplace then you need both) -- also the | characters aren't necessary within the character class denoted with [] and actually will behave differently because it's not a special character in that context. In this expression it will allow | characters in the list of characters not removed, as opposed to separating sub-expressions, which is what the | character does within parenthesis (each pair of which represent one or more subexpressions, separated by pipes, i.e. (mary|joe) matches either "mary" or "joe"). So, rereplacenocase(string,'[^a-z0-9_]','','all') will have the effect you intended. Hope that's useful to you. :) s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237317 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Bad character crashing cfxml
> mystring = rereplace(mystring,"[#chr(1)#-#chr(8)##chr(11)#-#chr(12)##chr(14)#-#chr(31)#]","","ALL"); The only problem with this is that that you have to add stuff that you want removed. You could also list what's allowed, vs. what's not allowed, like Which you never need to add to unless you need to add to it, so to speak. Only useful if you don't know before hand what's gonna get entered i guess... um... :-P Whatever. I go now. :Den ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237316 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Application variables from db?
On 4/9/06, Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Charles. Got a question for you. Say you updated the value of the > field > OrgShortname in the database, for one of the websites. How soon would the > application variable associated with it get updated? > Also, in your code, are you not loading the database too much, since you > have the query in your application.cfm file. How often is this query going > to run? Since it's in Application.cfm, which gets run once per request, it's getting run every request. Which means it's being "get" and "set" with each request. Sound place for a cgi type "if" deal, but the downside of having the query in the application.cfm is it's getting run each request as well, and depending on how you have your error trapping set up, you could hit a DB error before you've set you db error handling, or whatnot. Might make more sense, if there aren't a lot of sites, to store the list in memory and compare against that instead of running the query. You can use a structClear() to clear the application and session scopes, not to sure if the structClear on Application is kosher or not. :Denny -ps sorry for the lack of trimming/whatnot of my posts. Still getting used to gmail's way, which is s freaking slick it's not funny. I really gotta hand it to 'em, rocking UIs! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237315 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: FW: Body too long: RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions
>From what I've seen you've been pretty cordial. I assumed in my oblivion I could have missed some posts, thus the "I'm staying out of it", but it was the "name calling" that set off my "flame" ding-a-ling. No need for that here. (I guess, I'm new, so, I don't know the lay of the land. Could be par for the course or whatever) Heh. Now that's odd that you would mention VHS. Not sure how it correlates, but there's something interesting in there. Hmmm. Well, life is such a trip. Yay! :Den On 4/9/06, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well Isaac as I keep saying, everyone is entitled to an > > opinion. And mine is > > that your the one who will be left fishing for scraps, > > because I can't see > > many companies giving a job to someone like you who is so > > arrogant and > > living with his head up his own ass and thinks everyone is > > below him. Most > > big companie shave their own set of standards, and > > refusing to adhere by > > them and telling your employers they are stupid idiots for > > not agreeing with > > you really wont do u any favours. > > A solid understanding of life and people and how to get on > > with them is > > required in the real world, something you appear to lack. > > Your probably to be one of those bedroom coders who can't > > get on with anyone > > or anything so just keeps to himself and locks himself in > > a dark room where > > he doesn't have to meet people and risk getting beaten up > > cozz you cannot > > help but insult them. > > > I feel sorry for you really. > > > Russ > > Is anybody else wondering who he's trying to convince? Is there even > any reason for me to respond to verbal abuse like this? > > Am I perceived as being so arrogant? Does anybody else want to support > Russ? I'm not being snarky or facetious here, I really would like to > know if people perceive me that way. If there's a general feeling that > I present myself in a way that encourages this perception of me having > a superiority complex, I'd like to know if there's something I can do > to change the way I present myself. > > Bedroom coders: No, I gave two presentations at cf.Objective this > year. > > Corporate standards: I was at Site Manageware for 1.5 years and > adhered to every one of the standards they decided on, in spite of > disagreeing with quite a few of them. I've also done quite a bit of > Fusebox work and adhered to those standards in spite of being > preferential to other methods. > > People: I get along with them fairly well. From about the time I > joined Site Manageware I became the de-facto "answer guy" because I > enjoy helping people and the other programmers could tell that I > enjoyed helping them and that in many cases I simply had more > experience than them. It wasn't my job. I wasn't even a manager of any > kind. My supervisor made all the architectural decisions, although he > generally included me in discussion about them. Probably a good 50% of > the architectural decisions he made were contrary to my input and that > never bothered me. > > Arrogance: I do believe that I have more experience than most > ColdFusion programmers, but then I've been working with ColdFusion for > 8 years and it's only been around for a little over 10, so there's not > a whole lot of room for people to have more hands-on experience than I > do, although there certainly are some and I learn new things about it > all the time. I know when I've produced something that nobody else has > published in the community (ex: sql language abstraction, xml rule > managers), but I'm not so arrogant as to think that nobody else has > done these things and simply not published them or that nobody else > could. I also acknowledge when others have done things I haven't, like > Tartan, ColdSpring and COAL. I don't think any of us is above or below > anyone else, we just have different experiences and different > opinions. My personal opinions about the nature of programming are > based on what we know collectively about economics. During the 80's I > had a huge collection of casette tapes and VHS. They're all gone now, > asside from a handful of VHS. Why? Because the increased supply of > CD/DVD technology devalued them and made them no longer profitable to > manufacture. The same is true of any set of skills - increased supply > of new skills will bring the price of them down and devalue older > skills. > > > > s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 > new epoch : isn't it time for a change? > > add features without fixtures with > the onTap open source framework > > http://www.fusiontap.com > http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237314 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Dona
Re: Bad character crashing cfxml
Thanks guys. I did try the XmlFormat function (without the additional
rereplace stuff) and it still didn't work. I'll let you know shortly if the
CDATA works, that's what I'll try next. If THAT doesn't work, I'll try the
rereplace method S. Isaac suggested.
-- Josh
- Original Message -
From: "S. Isaac Dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Bad character crashing cfxml
>> I opt to store user-defined data in CDATA blocks:
>
>>
>>
>>
>
>> Another route is to use the XMLFormat() function.
>
> Unfortunately the XMLFormat() function doesn't handle non-printing
> characters. I believe the character 0x1C or "1C" is ASCII character
> 27, with characters 1-30 being non-printing. All the non-printing
> characters with the exception of carriage return (13) line feed (10)
> and space (20?) are invalid in an XML document.
>
> I'm not sure if the CDATA segment will allow you to use these
> characters or if XML simply expects you to find your own method of
> handling them that conforms to the standard of not including
> non-printing characters. I'm reasonably certain that it rejects the
> entities ( for example would technically be the ASCII beep code)
> and since that would prevent their use in attributes, my guess would
> be they are also not allowed in CDATA segments.
>
> This is all guess-work on my part, I haven't memorized the spec or
> anything. :)
>
> That being the case, when I found vertical tabs in some of my data
> which needed to be embedded in XML documents, I created a wrapper
> function for the native XMLFormat() function which removes all
> non-printing characters except 13, 10 and the space.
>
> Here is the code I used to accomplish this task (sorry for the
> line-wrap):
>
> function xmlstring(mystring) {
> // remove any non-printing characters
> // with the exception of tabs and line-breaks
> mystring = rereplace(mystring,"[#chr(1)#-#chr(8)##chr(11)#-#chr(12)#
> #chr(14)#-#chr(31)#]","","ALL");
> // replace the single-quote character with
> // the character-code entity the xml parser
> // in early versions of ColdFusion MX doesn't
> // understand the ' entity
> return replacenocase(xmlformat(mystring),"'","&##39;","ALL");
> }
>
> hth
>
>
> s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201
> new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
>
> add features without fixtures with
> the onTap open source framework
>
> http://www.fusiontap.com
> http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm
>
>
>
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Re: Newbie Model Glue Questions
I like Assembly. I respect people who have taken the time to learn it. Isn't it sort o like: CF > Java > C > ASM > 110011 ? (sorta?) Maybe now it's more of a CF > Java > machine lang? I've heard tell of java compiling that did better optimization than the a human... but it's funny that you would use a language like Java and shy away from generated code. He he he. [= Not gonna weigh in on frameworks. Maybe later. :d -ps with the advances in micro electronics, "low level" code is still "in", if'n ya ask me. Not that anyone did. If it's really about the number of people doing something, vs. skill/practicality, I guess the best solution is taking out some competition, neh? Get yourself a nice high-powered rifle and a cozy spot near an internet cafe. :-P Seriously tho, you'd be kind of silly to base a tech decision based solely on supply and demand. That gets you into the whole "king of the hill" (the t.v. show) mentality, "find a job no one else wants do do". Sure, you'll always have work, but is that what the goal is? There will always be work to be done, just like stuff will always be built on other stuff. The real meat and potatoes are in the "sum is more than the parts" type deals. I don't think language or popularity have much to do with it, sorta. You want to further the world as a whole, not have job security. I love to kill off job security. Every chance I get I'm like, "here's how you can do it yourself, easy like". Some co-workers fear that mentality, and wish I'd keep it to myself. Sorta keeping an artificial "demand" going. There will always be legit "demands" to "supply", so who cares about the status quo? - Note my use of "security" as "work" - as I believe "good people" automatically have the type of job security that most people talk about, and somehow conflate with "work". I'd rather see something like BETA win over VHS, than buy into the whole "economics of numbers" mentality. Just a random injection. Please be aware that I don't condone the personal attacks this thread has generated. I'm not taking any side, I just like assembly, and it's usefulness/niche. And I'm warning against the evils of "the majority", or what-not. Wouldn't want someone to read into it that there's no future in low level coding, I guess. So... *cough* um... back to chill'n, chill'n... (-= On 4/9/06, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm well aware that it's still used. I'm also well aware that the > niche for Assembler is smaller today than it was prior to the > invention of C/C++ for example. There is less demand and therefore > fewer people take the time to learn Assembler in today's market > because less demand means that more supply will devalue the skill set. > A larger demand for Java in todays market means that more people > continue to learn Java in today's market. If another language were to > come along and have at its core the concepts behind Java yet be more > stable and easier to implement, that would probably supplant Java in > time. ColdFusion is not that language (because it's not useful for > desktop applications), and I doubt Ruby is, but that doesn't mean it > won't happen. > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237312 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Bad character crashing cfxml
> I opt to store user-defined data in CDATA blocks:
>
>
>
> Another route is to use the XMLFormat() function.
Unfortunately the XMLFormat() function doesn't handle non-printing
characters. I believe the character 0x1C or "1C" is ASCII character
27, with characters 1-30 being non-printing. All the non-printing
characters with the exception of carriage return (13) line feed (10)
and space (20?) are invalid in an XML document.
I'm not sure if the CDATA segment will allow you to use these
characters or if XML simply expects you to find your own method of
handling them that conforms to the standard of not including
non-printing characters. I'm reasonably certain that it rejects the
entities ( for example would technically be the ASCII beep code)
and since that would prevent their use in attributes, my guess would
be they are also not allowed in CDATA segments.
This is all guess-work on my part, I haven't memorized the spec or
anything. :)
That being the case, when I found vertical tabs in some of my data
which needed to be embedded in XML documents, I created a wrapper
function for the native XMLFormat() function which removes all
non-printing characters except 13, 10 and the space.
Here is the code I used to accomplish this task (sorry for the
line-wrap):
function xmlstring(mystring) {
// remove any non-printing characters
// with the exception of tabs and line-breaks
mystring = rereplace(mystring,"[#chr(1)#-#chr(8)##chr(11)#-#chr(12)#
#chr(14)#-#chr(31)#]","","ALL");
// replace the single-quote character with
// the character-code entity the xml parser
// in early versions of ColdFusion MX doesn't
// understand the ' entity
return replacenocase(xmlformat(mystring),"'","&##39;","ALL");
}
hth
s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201
new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
add features without fixtures with
the onTap open source framework
http://www.fusiontap.com
http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm
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Re: Bad character crashing cfxml
use cdata? If you ever have characters that could make the xml mis-formed, especially all user entered data, put it in a cdata. That will parse just fine. http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_cdata.asp On 4/9/06, Josh Nathanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello All, > > When creating an xml document using cfxml, I get the following error: > > --- > An error occured while Parsing an XML document. > An invalid XML character (Unicode: 0x1c) was found in the element content of > the document. > -- > > The values in question are text strings entered by users and could contain > tabs, carriage returns, line feeds etc. I've tried stripping those out > using Replace but no luck, and tried XmlFormat(variable) with no luck. > > When I look up the unicode character 0x1c00, it says it's unassigned. I > don't see anything weird in the string values that might be causing the > error. > > Any thoughts/ideas are appreciated. > > -- Josh Nathanson > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237310 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Bad character crashing cfxml
I opt to store user-defined data in CDATA blocks: Another route is to use the XMLFormat() function. On 4/9/06, Josh Nathanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello All, > > When creating an xml document using cfxml, I get the following error: > > --- > An error occured while Parsing an XML document. > An invalid XML character (Unicode: 0x1c) was found in the element content of > the document. > -- > > The values in question are text strings entered by users and could contain > tabs, carriage returns, line feeds etc. I've tried stripping those out > using Replace but no luck, and tried XmlFormat(variable) with no luck. > > When I look up the unicode character 0x1c00, it says it's unassigned. I > don't see anything weird in the string values that might be causing the > error. > > Any thoughts/ideas are appreciated. > > -- Josh Nathanson > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237309 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Bad character crashing cfxml
Hello All, When creating an xml document using cfxml, I get the following error: --- An error occured while Parsing an XML document. An invalid XML character (Unicode: 0x1c) was found in the element content of the document. -- The values in question are text strings entered by users and could contain tabs, carriage returns, line feeds etc. I've tried stripping those out using Replace but no luck, and tried XmlFormat(variable) with no luck. When I look up the unicode character 0x1c00, it says it's unassigned. I don't see anything weird in the string values that might be causing the error. Any thoughts/ideas are appreciated. -- Josh Nathanson ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237308 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Application variables from db?
Hi Charles. Got a question for you. Say you updated the value of the field OrgShortname in the database, for one of the websites. How soon would the application variable associated with it get updated? Also, in your code, are you not loading the database too much, since you have the query in your application.cfm file. How often is this query going to run? Thanks, Ken On 4/9/06, Charles Sheehan-Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > With the main app I'm working on, the first thing in application.cfm is a > query to match the host header name against the correct website in the > database, then everything else is determined from there, including the > application name -- so I'm hosting multiple websites/customers off the > same > code base, depending on what is in the database. > > ="#CreateTimespan(0,0,30,0)#"> > select * from rsOrganization where > OrgServername = '#CGI.server_name#' > > > setclientcookies="Yes" >clientmanagement="Yes" > clientstorage="hostingClientVariables" >sessionmanagement="Yes" > sessiontimeout="#CreateTimespan(0,4,0,0)#" > > applicationtimeout="#CreateTimespan(0,4,0,0)#" setdomaincookies="Yes"> > > > > > On 4/9/06 5:15 PM, "Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi. Is it ok to set certain application variables in application.cfmfrom > > values stored in the database? > > There are certain site-wide settings that I need to store in the > database. > > Then do this in the application.cfm file: > > > > > > > > > > Select Settings from db Where > > > > > > > > > > > > > My questions are: > > 1. Is it ok to set application variables using the above method? > > 2. If I need to update the above Application.MySetting1 variable to a > new > > value, how will I do so? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ken. > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237307 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Sitedirector vs EzCart recommendations Anyone
SiteDirector is the king. Eric J. Hoffman Managing Partner 2081 Industrial Blvd StillwaterMN55082 mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.ejhassociates.com tel: 651.717.4105 fax: 651.717.4115 mob: 651.245.2717 This message contains confidential information and is intended only for [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are not cf-talk@houseoffusion.com you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Eric J. Hoffman therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. -Original Message- From: Steve Kahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 4:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Sitedirector vs EzCart recommendations Anyone Need to deploy a site fast, thinking bout using Sitedirector or EZcart anyone have any first hand experience with them? We need a cart that's fast to deploy and can offer retail pricing in addition to wholesale discounted pricing codes ( we don't want to use any fusebox apps ) - any recommendations? Thanks everyone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/305 - Release Date: 4/8/2006 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237306 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Application variables from db?
> Hi. Is it ok to set certain application variables in
> application.cfm from
> values stored in the database?
> There are certain site-wide settings that I need to store
> in the database.
> Then do this in the application.cfm file:
>
>
> Select Settings from db Where
>
>
> My questions are:
> 1. Is it ok to set application variables using the above
> method?
> 2. If I need to update the above Application.MySetting1
> variable to a new
> value, how will I do so?
> Thanks,
> Ken.
I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with having variables
that are both in your database and in the application scope. I would
recomment a slightly different approach. I would construct a CFC which
accepts your dsn and clientid in its init method. I assume each row of
this table represents a different client using the same application. I
would then have the init method call a fetch method which fetches the
row for the indicated client and populates values in the CFC's
variables scope. Once that had been done I would implement a
getSetting method for fetching an individual setting, and store the
CFC in your application scope, thus, rather than referencing
application.setting1 in your application, you would reference
application.appMgr.getSetting("setting1") or possibly
application.appMgr.getSetting1() if you prefer individual accessor
methods.
The advantage of this is that if you need to change the manner in
which the settings are stored or managed later, it will be easiest to
do that internally within the CFC if your application references this
method, instead of directly referencing an application variable.
Another setSetting() or individual setSetting1() methods can then
update the CFC and the database (or other storage medium)
simultanously.
Now here's the rub. Do you need to manage these settings in a central
application (one that can manage multiple client applications
simultanously) or only within each individual application? If you
don't need a centralized application for managing these, then it's
pretty straightforward, and you can use the onApplicationStart method
of your Application.cfc to instantiate and store your appMgr cfc in
the application scope.
If you need a centralized application then you'll have to find some
way to get the data into each individual application when you update
it. One way to do this is to use the cfapplication tag in your central
application to temporarily relocate the current request into the
target application and update its appMgr cfc -- the problem you'll
experience with this approach will be to ensure that the application
has already started, because if you use cfapplication to initialize
the application name, the ColdFusion server won't know where to look
for the Application.cfc and so it won't execute the onApplicationStart
method. Using a simple http request for the application's login or
home page using the cfhttp tag may be enough to ensure it's started
before making changes. An alternative would be to build a webservice
into each subordinate application, which of course brings other
challenges with it.
s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201
new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
add features without fixtures with
the onTap open source framework
http://www.fusiontap.com
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Re: Application variables from db?
With the main app I'm working on, the first thing in application.cfm is a query to match the host header name against the correct website in the database, then everything else is determined from there, including the application name -- so I'm hosting multiple websites/customers off the same code base, depending on what is in the database. select * from rsOrganization where OrgServername = '#CGI.server_name#' On 4/9/06 5:15 PM, "Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi. Is it ok to set certain application variables in application.cfm from > values stored in the database? > There are certain site-wide settings that I need to store in the database. > Then do this in the application.cfm file: > > > > > Select Settings from db Where > > > > > > My questions are: > 1. Is it ok to set application variables using the above method? > 2. If I need to update the above Application.MySetting1 variable to a new > value, how will I do so? > > Thanks, > > Ken. > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237304 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF Based WebMail
Here's the Molerus app you were looking for. I've used it and will say that the interface for it is decent. It's certainly better than some webmail clients I've seen. :) I know the version I've used didn't support multiple domains on a single install because I helped someone implement customizations to make it multi-domain. In my experience it also didn't handle large numbers of pop email very gracefully, although I believe that's because cfpop doesn't handle them gracefully rather than being an issue with the Molerus app. So the long and the short of it is, I'd give the Molerus folks an above average review. :) Which is really saying something actually, given how little market there is for this kind of app, it's pretty impressive that they did such a good job with it (in spite of my personally thinking I'd have liked some of it to have been handled differently). http://www.mollerus.net/development/webmail/webmail_pro.cfm > Anyone have any particular favorites for a cf based > webmail out there? > We used to use Molerus or something, but can't find it > anymore and > actually have a need again to get a system live. > Thanks! > > Eric J. Hoffman > Managing Partner > 2081 Industrial Blvd > StillwaterMN55082 > mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www: http://www.ejhassociates.com > tel: 651.717.4105 > fax: 651.717.4115 > mob: 651.245.2717 s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237303 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Application variables from db?
Hi. Is it ok to set certain application variables in application.cfm from values stored in the database? There are certain site-wide settings that I need to store in the database. Then do this in the application.cfm file: Select Settings from db Where My questions are: 1. Is it ok to set application variables using the above method? 2. If I need to update the above Application.MySetting1 variable to a new value, how will I do so? Thanks, Ken. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237302 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Sitedirector vs EzCart recommendations Anyone
Need to deploy a site fast, thinking bout using Sitedirector or EZcart anyone have any first hand experience with them? We need a cart thats fast to deploy and can offer retail pricing in addition to wholesale discounted pricing codes ( we dont want to use any fusebox apps ) - any recommendations? Thanks everyone -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/305 - Release Date: 4/8/2006 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237301 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF Based WebMail
I loved the Crazy Cab demo that used to come with CF 3.x. Simple, fast and it worked. :) Rey... Eric J. Hoffman wrote: > Anyone have any particular favorites for a cf based webmail out there? > We used to use Molerus or something, but can't find it anymore and > actually have a need again to get a system live. > > Thanks! > > > > Eric J. Hoffman > Managing Partner > 2081 Industrial Blvd > StillwaterMN55082 > mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www: http://www.ejhassociates.com > tel: 651.717.4105 > fax: 651.717.4115 > mob: 651.245.2717 > > > > This message contains confidential information and is intended only for > [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are not cf-talk@houseoffusion.com you should not > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] > immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete > this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be > secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, > destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Eric J. Hoffman > therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the > contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If > verification is required please request a hard-copy version. > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237300 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CF Based WebMail
Anyone have any particular favorites for a cf based webmail out there? We used to use Molerus or something, but can't find it anymore and actually have a need again to get a system live. Thanks! Eric J. Hoffman Managing Partner 2081 Industrial Blvd StillwaterMN55082 mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.ejhassociates.com tel: 651.717.4105 fax: 651.717.4115 mob: 651.245.2717 This message contains confidential information and is intended only for [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are not cf-talk@houseoffusion.com you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Eric J. Hoffman therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237299 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: trouble with cluster
depends on what version of CF, blah blah blah... Maybe you didn't change the jndi or whatnot ports? Do a little google and see what you find. There are several good resources for clusters, but things have changed since 6.1, so... it depends, sorta. Are you doing it through the CF administrator, or through JRun and copying the cfusion WAR? :D On 4/9/06, brad f <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Has anyone had any trouble with having more than one instance in your > coldfusion cluster? With one, everything works great. Start another and it > seems that cf cannot assign a session id. Thanks. > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237298 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions
> again your taking it out of context. > when I say I don't care, I simply mean that I am not gonna > have cow and lay > awake at night getting stressed and thinking of new > abusive comments I can > post to everyone who didn't agree with me, which appears > to be your problem. > I am hapy to hear what other people use and why they use > it, I just don't > want it rammed down my throat. Right. Nobody forced you to read a thread with the subject "Newbie Model Glue Questions". Nobody forced you after reading the thread to reply to say only that it's needlessly overcomplicated, and nobody forced you to avoid providing any support for that argument. If you don't like Model Glue, then freaking ignore threads about it. That's what someone who doesn't care does, they pass up threads about the subjects they're uninterested in. You on the other hand took it as an opportunity to take a gratuitous and unsupported jab at it. I don't lie awake thinking about abusive things to say to people, I read what people have to say, I consider it and I provide my opinion in context. While my comments may occasionally rub someone the wrong way, I make them to support specific arguments and when it's apparent that I've inadvertently omitted something from the context, I then correct my previous statements. When someone points out that I'm wrong about something, I admit it -- a while back I hadn't realized that there was a "list" attribute in the cfqueryparam tag and someone pointed it out and I thanked them for pointing out that I hadn't RTFM'ed in that case because it helped me. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237295 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: FW: Body too long: RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions
> Well Isaac as I keep saying, everyone is entitled to an > opinion. And mine is > that your the one who will be left fishing for scraps, > because I can't see > many companies giving a job to someone like you who is so > arrogant and > living with his head up his own ass and thinks everyone is > below him. Most > big companie shave their own set of standards, and > refusing to adhere by > them and telling your employers they are stupid idiots for > not agreeing with > you really wont do u any favours. > A solid understanding of life and people and how to get on > with them is > required in the real world, something you appear to lack. > Your probably to be one of those bedroom coders who can't > get on with anyone > or anything so just keeps to himself and locks himself in > a dark room where > he doesn't have to meet people and risk getting beaten up > cozz you cannot > help but insult them. > I feel sorry for you really. > Russ Is anybody else wondering who he's trying to convince? Is there even any reason for me to respond to verbal abuse like this? Am I perceived as being so arrogant? Does anybody else want to support Russ? I'm not being snarky or facetious here, I really would like to know if people perceive me that way. If there's a general feeling that I present myself in a way that encourages this perception of me having a superiority complex, I'd like to know if there's something I can do to change the way I present myself. Bedroom coders: No, I gave two presentations at cf.Objective this year. Corporate standards: I was at Site Manageware for 1.5 years and adhered to every one of the standards they decided on, in spite of disagreeing with quite a few of them. I've also done quite a bit of Fusebox work and adhered to those standards in spite of being preferential to other methods. People: I get along with them fairly well. From about the time I joined Site Manageware I became the de-facto "answer guy" because I enjoy helping people and the other programmers could tell that I enjoyed helping them and that in many cases I simply had more experience than them. It wasn't my job. I wasn't even a manager of any kind. My supervisor made all the architectural decisions, although he generally included me in discussion about them. Probably a good 50% of the architectural decisions he made were contrary to my input and that never bothered me. Arrogance: I do believe that I have more experience than most ColdFusion programmers, but then I've been working with ColdFusion for 8 years and it's only been around for a little over 10, so there's not a whole lot of room for people to have more hands-on experience than I do, although there certainly are some and I learn new things about it all the time. I know when I've produced something that nobody else has published in the community (ex: sql language abstraction, xml rule managers), but I'm not so arrogant as to think that nobody else has done these things and simply not published them or that nobody else could. I also acknowledge when others have done things I haven't, like Tartan, ColdSpring and COAL. I don't think any of us is above or below anyone else, we just have different experiences and different opinions. My personal opinions about the nature of programming are based on what we know collectively about economics. During the 80's I had a huge collection of casette tapes and VHS. They're all gone now, asside from a handful of VHS. Why? Because the increased supply of CD/DVD technology devalued them and made them no longer profitable to manufacture. The same is true of any set of skills - increased supply of new skills will bring the price of them down and devalue older skills. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237297 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions
No most people are in agreement that the demand for a given technology diminishes over time. > Are you the most arrgant person in bizzaroworld, or is > everyone like you ? > -Original Message- > From: S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: CF-Talk > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:15:00 -0400 > Subject: RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions >> >> Then everyone else can have the scraps that are >> >> left over after developers who've taken the time >> >> to stretch themselves have taken all the best jobs. >> >> It's really that simple. >> >> > I know plenty of people who do not comply to the *Isaac >> > Dealey* way of thinking, and they all have very good >> > jobs, oh wait, so do I, now how did that happen? >> >> You got yourselves into a vanishing niche while there was >> still room >> for new people to enter that space. As the years >> progress, your >> current niche will continue to dwindle. It will of course >> never >> completely vanish, however, if you don't stretch yourself >> you'll have >> to live with the value of your skills diminishing as the >> skill-sets of >> other more agressive developers continue to evolve. More >> advanced >> developers will bring the price of their skills down >> until it becomes >> accessible to your clients, at which point it will start >> to devalue >> your skill set. >> >> This is all very basic economics. >> >> Here's another analogy. America, the land of the free -- >> and here at >> one point in time, farming was one of those "american >> dreams" wherein >> a person could have the land and the life they wanted. >> Not so much >> anymore because large corporate agro-businesses have >> pretty well taken >> over the agricultural market. Today's farmers are doing >> well to be >> surviving, _IF_ they survive against the competition of >> corporate >> agro-business. A large number of the farmers who are >> still surviving >> have joined co-operative farming groups in order to help >> themselves >> compete in what is a vanishing niche for them. >> >> The difference with us is that every single one of us has >> the ability >> to choose to be that person who is continually becoming, >> by stretching >> ourselves to learn new things and make ourselves more >> valuable. So >> while there's very little a farmer can do about their >> vanishing niche, >> asside from stop farming, we can all choose to stay in >> our current >> field of work by adapting our niche. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237296 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions
I'm well aware that it's still used. I'm also well aware that the niche for Assembler is smaller today than it was prior to the invention of C/C++ for example. There is less demand and therefore fewer people take the time to learn Assembler in today's market because less demand means that more supply will devalue the skill set. A larger demand for Java in todays market means that more people continue to learn Java in today's market. If another language were to come along and have at its core the concepts behind Java yet be more stable and easier to implement, that would probably supplant Java in time. ColdFusion is not that language (because it's not useful for desktop applications), and I doubt Ruby is, but that doesn't mean it won't happen. > while it's not a common language, and is over most peoples > heads, it's still > used. Programs that allow you write programs in other > languages are more > often than not written in machine language in the first > place. > -Original Message- > From: S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: CF-Talk > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:13:28 -0400 > Subject: RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions >> > Matt, the first language I ever learnt was >> > Machine Language/Assembler, so be careful >> > with your assumptions. >> >> Oh, so you should already be familiar with the vanishing >> niche >> problem. :) >> >> >> >> s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 >> new epoch : isn't it time for a change? >> >> add features without fixtures with >> the onTap open source framework >> >> http://www.fusiontap.com >> http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm >> >> >> > ~~ > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237294 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: FW: Body too long: RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions
Please keep flame wars and personal debates off of CF-Talk. This is nothing personal against you, Snake, but when Michael reads this, I'm sure he'll be of the same opinion. Judith Dinowitz ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237293 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
trouble with cluster
Has anyone had any trouble with having more than one instance in your coldfusion cluster? With one, everything works great. Start another and it seems that cf cannot assign a session id. Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237292 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF CMS recommendation
Hello Mark, You can have a look to my cms Gerobase 1.3, the standard release cost nothing, and i think it's a good solutions for small projects. If you want to learn more about it : http://www.gerorama.com/gerobase/ Give it a try and have fun :-) Gerome http://www.gerorama.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237291 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Newbie Model Glue Questions
Mike Kear wrote: > Thanks Rick, I appreciate your nice comments. > > I started with CSS a couple of years ago, and while the learning curve > for that was pretty steep too, it was a liberating experience too. > Separating code from look and feel made everything simpler.The > code is smaller, more straightforward. Downloads faster, easier to > maintain.No more searching though nested tables looking for the > cell I'm trying to modify. > > A lot of people try to do things that are far too complex to start off > with.No sense trying to emulate the Sydney Morning Herald site > (http://www.smh.com.au) on your first go. > > One of the tricks of developing a web app with CSS is to do the code > first. THEN do the styling. Or let the styling be done by somebody else :) I prefer to work together with somebody who does the styling. The best division of work is that at the end of the technical design phase we have agreed on a format of the XHTML to be generated by the application. That can look something like: # 1 # 1 # 1 # 0-3 # 1 # 1-7 # 1 # 1 | # 1 | # 1 | # 0-* | # 1 | # 1-10 # 1 # 1 | # 1 | # 1-* | # 1-3 # 1 # 1 # 1 # 1 # 5-7 So what do we actually specify here? We start with saying there will be one . Since there is only ever one body, assigning an ID is silly. Then there must be one , followed by a with the ID "menu". In the menu, there may optionally be 3 , but they must have the class "menu". Then there must be an unordered list with minimum 1 and maximum 7 elements (the menu). Then we get on to the div with id "content". It must contain at least one and at most 10 groups of . Etc. etc. This is a very simple example, but don't be mistaken: this goes a long way to specifying the XHTML structure of a site. I think the structure of a site like Mike's http://afpwebworks.com/ would only be double this size (in my experience all the additional stuff for forms, tables etc. is the same for every site anyway because it is driven from accessibility and standard compliance requirements that are always the same). Making such a specification requires a certain level of abstraction. You really have to think about the semantic function of elements. For instance, you may have noticed the ID "fineprint". That is not because it should be in a very small font size, that is because it is the legal fine print like a disclaimer, copyright notice, AUP etc. Typically this is placed in a footer and many people would use the ID "footer" for that, but footer is just a position, it is not the function. Same goes for "extension", that would be named "sidebar" by many people if this were a 2-column layout, but that is just the position, not the function. This also means you need to work with a stylist that has that same level of abstraction, which are not always that easy to find. But if you get this going, it is indeed truely liberating. You just have to make sure the XHTML your application outputs conforms to the specification. Nothing more then that. No more issues with moving elements one pixel to the left or right in version Y of browser X, all of that is somebody elses problem. Jochem ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237290 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to format a document for use with address labels
I'll add a thumbs up for cf_avery too, works like a charm. Adrian -Original Message- From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 April 2006 15:20 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: How to format a document for use with address labels >>Cf_Avery is a tag I've used in the past that sounds right up you alley. I'll second the proposal. CF_Avery works perfectly well. You may have to find equivalences for label format, since the code may change depending on the quantity of sheets in the package. A visit to the Avery's Web site will help you. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237289 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
FW: Body too long: RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions
Well Isaac as I keep saying, everyone is entitled to an opinion. And mine is that your the one who will be left fishing for scraps, because I can't see many companies giving a job to someone like you who is so arrogant and living with his head up his own ass and thinks everyone is below him. Most big companie shave their own set of standards, and refusing to adhere by them and telling your employers they are stupid idiots for not agreeing with you really wont do u any favours. A solid understanding of life and people and how to get on with them is required in the real world, something you appear to lack. Your probably to be one of those bedroom coders who can't get on with anyone or anything so just keeps to himself and locks himself in a dark room where he doesn't have to meet people and risk getting beaten up cozz you cannot help but insult them. I feel sorry for you really. Russ -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:50:31 -0400 Subject: RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions > > Sure, there are lots of people who are doing well in that niche today, > and there will be tomorrow, but there are fewer of them every year. We > work in an environment of planned obsolescence -- we create new > things, knowing very well that they will be supplanted in years to > come. This is the nature of programming. A good developer needs to be > constantly becoming, otherwise you have to face the fact that if you > don't continue to learn, your skill is gradually devalued by simple > economics and your niche disappears. I struggle with this myself > actually, because it's the one thing I really dislike about > programming work, the knowledge that what I do today will be basically > irrelevant in a few years time, as compared to the works of > philosophers and artists which are as valuable today as they were > hundreds or thousands of years ago. I would like to think that the > "work of my hand" would have lasting meaning, but I have to accept > that programming work is not, no matter how innovative or productive > it may be. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237288 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Newbie Model Glue Questions
lets just make this very clear. While Isaac has implied it, no-one has actually said frameworks suck so far, certainly not me, as I do use them, and have written my own. I was never a big fan of fusebox, mainly due to the fact that I kept having constant problems with badly written code done by developers didn't understand how fusebox core files worked and whenever something broke they blamed the server or the host. But I do think they finally got it right with fusebox 4.1, and I like it so far. Russ -Original Message- From: "Joe Rinehart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:49:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Newbie Model Glue Questions > Frankly, I'd say that not using a decent framework is like continuing > to rely on your mother to buy tightie-whities, when the rest of the > development world has blown past you into boxers (or boxer briefs). > > That's not to say there aren't good developers who are an exception to > the rule and go commando (Simon, you reading this thread yet?). > > > On 4/8/06, Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>I think there are definately practical advantages to a framework, > > though it often depends entirely on the framework you choose. > > > > Frameworks are just like underware: it is important to wear some, > > but the most important is to wear your own... > > > > -- > > ___ > > REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; > > See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm > > (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237287 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions
while it's not a common language, and is over most peoples heads, it's still used. Programs that allow you write programs in other languages are more often than not written in machine language in the first place. -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:13:28 -0400 Subject: RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions > > Matt, the first language I ever learnt was > > Machine Language/Assembler, so be careful > > with your assumptions. > > Oh, so you should already be familiar with the vanishing niche > problem. :) > > > > s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 > new epoch : isn't it time for a change? > > add features without fixtures with > the onTap open source framework > > http://www.fusiontap.com > http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237286 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions
again your taking it out of context. when I say I don't care, I simply mean that I am not gonna have cow and lay awake at night getting stressed and thinking of new abusive comments I can post to everyone who didn't agree with me, which appears to be your problem. I am hapy to hear what other people use and why they use it, I just don't want it rammed down my throat. -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:50:31 -0400 Subject: RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions > > At the end of the day, it's each to his own, I have > > my opinion and I couldn't care less who likes what > > framework at the end of the day, > > Then why did you bather to post an inflamatory message about > Model-Glue at all? What were you trying to contribute? I'm really not > trying to be pejorative here. This isn't a stab. I genuinely don't > understand your motivation if you're really this disinterested in any > kind of debate about the usefulness of frameworks. When I say I don't care, I simply mean ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237285 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions
Well Isaac as I keep saying, everyone is entitled to an opinion. And mine is that your the one who will be left fishing for scraps, because I can't see many companies giving a job to someone like you who is so arrogant and living with his head up his own ass and thinks everyone is below him. Most big companie shave their own set of standards, and refusing to adhere by them and telling your employers they are stupid idiots for not agreeing with you really wont do u any favours. A solid understanding of life and people and how to get on with them is required in the real world, something you appear to lack. Your probably to be one of those bedroom coders who can't get on with anyone or anything so just keeps to himself and locks himself in a dark room where he doesn't have to meet people and risk getting beaten up cozz you cannot help but insult them. I feel sorry for you really. Russ -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:50:31 -0400 Subject: RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions > > I know very few CF developers who know JAVA, that mostly > > stems form people who were programmers before learning > > CF or have a programming background, so I think your > > putting yourself down there if you think you're the only > > one who doesn't do it, in fact the majority of the people > > on this very list don't do Java. I also know many > > freelance developer and development companies who do high > > profile government work and work for very large/rich > > organisations, and no ne of them use any OO frameworks, > > most of them use their own or fusebox. And they are > > certainly not picking up scraps. > > Sure, there are lots of people who are doing well in that niche today, > and there will be tomorrow, but there are fewer of them every year. We > work in an environment of planned obsolescence -- we create new > things, knowing very well that they will be supplanted in years to > come. This is the nature of programming. A good developer needs to be > constantly becoming, otherwise you have to face the fact that if you > don't continue to learn, your skill is gradually devalued by simple > economics and your niche disappears. I struggle with this myself > actually, because it's the one thing I really dislike about > programming work, the knowledge that what I do today will be basically > irrelevant in a few years time, as compared to the works of > philosophers and artists which are as valuable today as they were > hundreds or thousands of years ago. I would like to think that the > "work of my hand" would have lasting meaning, but I have to accept > that programming work is not, no matter how innovative or productive > it may be. > > > It really depends if you job requires any of these things > > as to whether you spend time learning it. I would love to > > have the time to sit down and properly learn Java, .NET, > > every other framework, but alas I don't even have time to > > spend posting on these lists very often as I work hard, > > I only get to do it at the evening and on weekends. Once > > upon a time I used to be one of the people that was on > > the list all day answering everyones questions instead > > of working ;-) > > A solid understanding of OO principals, encapsulation and > extensibility are key elements to my having extra time to spend being > an Adobe Community Expert and helping people learn new things. The > rule manager article I contributed to a recent issue of CFDJ and later > presented at cf.Objective are good examples. My presentation skills > need some work, I'll admit that, and I found a number of things that I > could have done quite a bit better at cf.Objective, however, the > material in question is something that can save anyone who has more > than one client lots of time. The rule manager facade is a good way to > let OO encapsulation reduce the number of customization points in an > application that will be used for multiple clients. > > Going back to the example of Site Manageware, we planned to use that > same concept (although they weren't sold on XML as a storage medium) > to eliminate the customization point for commissions paid to sales > staff. Their existing system was rather problematic -- a rule manager > in that spot would / will (I assume they're still planning to > implement it) save them large amounts of time in the configuration of > rules for sales commissions. > > In my case I wrote the rule manager facade once, and have implemented > it now twice. Writing the initial code for the facade took several > weeks. Each implementation has taken a few hours, and the result of > those implementations makes the applications they're in far more > flexible than comparable applications. Compare Blogs onTap to BlogCFC > (not saying it's bad, just comparing) -- out of the box, BlogCFC would > have to be customized if you wanted to limit the amount of time a > person could comment on a blog entry (
RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions
Are you the most arrgant person in bizzaroworld, or is everyone like you ? -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:15:00 -0400 Subject: RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions > >> Then everyone else can have the scraps that are > >> left over after developers who've taken the time > >> to stretch themselves have taken all the best jobs. > >> It's really that simple. > > > I know plenty of people who do not comply to the *Isaac > > Dealey* way of thinking, and they all have very good > > jobs, oh wait, so do I, now how did that happen? > > You got yourselves into a vanishing niche while there was still room > for new people to enter that space. As the years progress, your > current niche will continue to dwindle. It will of course never > completely vanish, however, if you don't stretch yourself you'll have > to live with the value of your skills diminishing as the skill-sets of > other more agressive developers continue to evolve. More advanced > developers will bring the price of their skills down until it becomes > accessible to your clients, at which point it will start to devalue > your skill set. > > This is all very basic economics. > > Here's another analogy. America, the land of the free -- and here at > one point in time, farming was one of those "american dreams" wherein > a person could have the land and the life they wanted. Not so much > anymore because large corporate agro-businesses have pretty well taken > over the agricultural market. Today's farmers are doing well to be > surviving, _IF_ they survive against the competition of corporate > agro-business. A large number of the farmers who are still surviving > have joined co-operative farming groups in order to help themselves > compete in what is a vanishing niche for them. > > The difference with us is that every single one of us has the ability > to choose to be that person who is continually becoming, by stretching > ourselves to learn new things and make ourselves more valuable. So > while there's very little a farmer can do about their vanishing niche, > asside from stop farming, we can all choose to stay in our current > field of work by adapting our niche. > > > > s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 > new epoch : isn't it time for a change? > > add features without fixtures with > the onTap open source framework > > http://www.fusiontap.com > http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237283 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
