Re: Retrieve data in groups

2011-06-20 Thread Torrent Girl

Select TOP doesn't work in MySQL.  You have to use Limit 0, N where N=
the number of records you want to return


 Any suggestions? 

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Re: Retrieve data in groups

2011-06-20 Thread Torrent Girl

SELECT TOP 10 ...

or

cfoutput startrow=1 maxrows=10

or

cfloop startrow=1 endrow=10

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Thanks but what about the next 10. I need to update all of the records. 

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Re: Retrieve data in groups

2011-06-20 Thread Torrent Girl

Select TOP doesn't work in MySQL.  You have to use Limit 0, N where N=
the number of records you want to return


 Any suggestions?

I am using MS SQL. 

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Re: Retrieve data in groups

2011-06-20 Thread John M Bliss

SELECT TOP 10 ... ORDER BY [reverse order of first 10]

or

cfoutput startrow=10

or

cfloop startrow=10

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Torrent Girl moniqueb...@gmail.com wrote:


 SELECT TOP 10 ...
 
 or
 
 cfoutput startrow=1 maxrows=10
 
 or
 
 cfloop startrow=1 endrow=10
 
 On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Torrent Girl moniqueb...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 

 Thanks but what about the next 10. I need to update all of the records.

 

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RE: Retrieve data in groups

2011-06-20 Thread Jenny Gavin-Wear

Hi Torrent,

Perhaps by running the query on the server using a stored proceedure?

Take a look at this guide:

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/articles/stored_procs.html

It looks so good I'll be using it myself, lol

Jenny Gavin-Wear
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Sent: 20 June 2011 14:32
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Retrieve data in groups



Select TOP doesn't work in MySQL.  You have to use Limit 0, N where N=
the number of records you want to return


 Any suggestions?

I am using MS SQL. 



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RE: Retrieve data in groups

2011-06-20 Thread Mark A. Kruger

If you want to update hundreds of thousands of records you might consider
NOT using CF to do it. It's not always the best choice for really big import
jobs. 

However - to answer your question... in the first case:

SELECT TOP 10 ...


You would need something in the where clause to help you get the data in
groups. For example, if you had an identity filed  you could have...

SELCT TOP 10  * FROM BLAH
WHERE myID  0
Order by myID ASC

... then find the max ID in the next query as in ...

SELCT TOP 10  * FROM BLAH
WHERE myID  #previousquery['myID'][previousquery.recordcount]#
Order by myID ASC


... and so on...

In the SECOND exmpale (using max rows) you would simply select ALL the rows
in the query...

SELECT * FROM blah


The use max rows and start rows to define the length of your loops

cfoutput startrow=1 maxrows=1

/cfouput

Next loop...

cfoutput startrow=11 maxrows = 10


... and so on till you are through the query


To reiterate my warning though dealing with very very large updates
using CF may be a poor choice for a number of performance reasons :)

-Mark


-Original Message-
From: Torrent Girl [mailto:moniqueb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 8:31 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Retrieve data in groups


SELECT TOP 10 ...

or

cfoutput startrow=1 maxrows=10

or

cfloop startrow=1 endrow=10

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Torrent Girl
moniqueb...@gmail.comwrote:



Thanks but what about the next 10. I need to update all of the records. 



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Re: Retrieve data in groups

2011-06-20 Thread Torrent Girl

do you actually need all 20,000 records ?

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jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk wrote:



yes, I need to update ALL of the records. 

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Re: Retrieve data in groups

2011-06-20 Thread Torrent Girl

Hi Torrent,

Perhaps by running the query on the server using a stored proceedure?

Take a look at this guide:

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/articles/stored_procs.html

It looks so good I'll be using it myself, lol

Jenny Gavin-Wear
Fast Track eCommerce
+44 (0) 1262 602013
http://www.ftol-ecommerce.com/

Great. Checking it out now. 

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Re: Retrieve data in groups

2011-06-20 Thread Torrent Girl

If you want to update hundreds of thousands of records you might consider
NOT using CF to do it. It's not always the best choice for really big import
jobs. 

However - to answer your question... in the first case:

SELECT TOP 10 ...


You would need something in the where clause to help you get the data in
groups. For example, if you had an identity filed  you could have...

SELCT TOP 10  * FROM BLAH
WHERE myID  0
Order by myID ASC

... then find the max ID in the next query as in ...

SELCT TOP 10  * FROM BLAH
WHERE myID  #previousquery['myID'][previousquery.recordcount]#
Order by myID ASC


... and so on...

In the SECOND exmpale (using max rows) you would simply select ALL the rows
in the query...

SELECT * FROM blah


The use max rows and start rows to define the length of your loops

cfoutput startrow=1 maxrows=1

/cfouput

Next loop...

cfoutput startrow=11 maxrows = 10


... and so on till you are through the query


To reiterate my warning though dealing with very very large updates
using CF may be a poor choice for a number of performance reasons :)

-Mark


moniqueb...@gmail.comwrote:

Thanks but what about the next 10. I need to update all of the records.

Thanks Mark. this is exactly what I was looking for. 

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CGI Variables - CGI.cert_subject won't display

2011-06-20 Thread Bern Weed

I'm have an application that has been using CGI variables and working fine.  It 
stopped working and I'm not sure why of course.  I am using IIS 7 and 
ColdFusion 9.  I can get it to return  cgi.auth_user but not the 
cgi.cert_subject and it was working for both. Anyone have any ideas or know of 
any patches, settings that would affect this.  Thanks.

cfif CGI.auth_user IS NOT 
cfoutput#CGI.cert_subject#/cfoutput
cfdump var=#cgi#
cfelse
CGI variable does not exist
/cfif 

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cffile append too slow

2011-06-20 Thread Richard White

Hi,

We have noticed that simply writing 1 line to a text file using cffile append 
takes approx 800ms. is there a quicker alternative to this?

thanks 

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RE: Retrieve data in groups

2011-06-20 Thread Mark A. Kruger

You are quite welcome... :)

-Original Message-
From: Torrent Girl [mailto:moniqueb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 9:40 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Retrieve data in groups


If you want to update hundreds of thousands of records you might consider
NOT using CF to do it. It's not always the best choice for really big
import
jobs. 

However - to answer your question... in the first case:

SELECT TOP 10 ...


You would need something in the where clause to help you get the data in
groups. For example, if you had an identity filed  you could have...

SELCT TOP 10  * FROM BLAH
WHERE myID  0
Order by myID ASC

... then find the max ID in the next query as in ...

SELCT TOP 10  * FROM BLAH
WHERE myID  #previousquery['myID'][previousquery.recordcount]#
Order by myID ASC


... and so on...

In the SECOND exmpale (using max rows) you would simply select ALL the rows
in the query...

SELECT * FROM blah


The use max rows and start rows to define the length of your loops

cfoutput startrow=1 maxrows=1

/cfouput

Next loop...

cfoutput startrow=11 maxrows = 10


... and so on till you are through the query


To reiterate my warning though dealing with very very large updates
using CF may be a poor choice for a number of performance reasons :)

-Mark


moniqueb...@gmail.comwrote:

Thanks but what about the next 10. I need to update all of the records.

Thanks Mark. this is exactly what I was looking for. 



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Re: cffile append too slow

2011-06-20 Thread Jeffrey Battershall

If you're using CF8 or CF9 you have the newer File functions.  They
may well perform better than CFFILE.

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 Hi,

 We have noticed that simply writing 1 line to a text file using cffile append 
 takes approx 800ms. is there a quicker alternative to this?

 thanks

 

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CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread scott bloodworth

Have heard that these two skill sets work hand in hand.  One can easily learn 
the other environment fairly easy, is this true?  is there a benefit in looking 
for one or the other in employment? 

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CF Resources in New England Area

2011-06-20 Thread scott bloodworth

Looing for any resources in the New England area that maybe searching for 
employment.

Any information would be helpful. 

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Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Jason Durham

Depends on experience.

In general, a Java developer could be more-easily trained in CF.

Jason Durham


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sbloodwo...@rinovelty.com wrote:


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 learn the other environment fairly easy, is this true?  is there a benefit
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Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Patrick Santora

I believe it has more to do with how you desire programming within
ColdFusion as you can program against it in either a procedural and/or OOP
manner. Since CF sits on JRun which is a Java engine it simply uses java as
it's workhorse for everything and since Java is a OOP language if you
planned on going an OOP route in CF then it's pretty safe to say you will
have an easier time transitioning between the two whenever desired.

Hope this helps.

-Pat

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Re: CF Resources in New England Area

2011-06-20 Thread John M Bliss

77 within 100 miles of Beantown:
http://www.indeed.com/jobs?as_and=coldfusionas_phr=as_any=as_not=as_ttl=as_cmp=jt=allst=salary=radius=100l=Boston%2C+MAfromage=anylimit=10sort=psf=advsrch

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:19 PM, scott bloodworth 
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 Looing for any resources in the New England area that maybe searching for
 employment.

 Any information would be helpful.

 

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Re: CF Resources in New England Area

2011-06-20 Thread Raymond Camden

You may also have luck looking for user groups in the area: groups.adobe.com.

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 Any information would be helpful.

 

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Re: CF Resources in New England Area

2011-06-20 Thread Wil Genovese

Not that is't helpful to the OP, but Minnesota has a lot of open CF Jobs also.
http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=coldfusionl=minneapolis%2C+MNradius=100


Wil Genovese

One man with courage makes a majority.
-Andrew Jackson

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. 

On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:57 PM, John M Bliss wrote:

 
 77 within 100 miles of Beantown:
 http://www.indeed.com/jobs?as_and=coldfusionas_phr=as_any=as_not=as_ttl=as_cmp=jt=allst=salary=radius=100l=Boston%2C+MAfromage=anylimit=10sort=psf=advsrch
 
 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:19 PM, scott bloodworth 
 sbloodwo...@rinovelty.com wrote:
 
 
 Looing for any resources in the New England area that maybe searching for
 employment.
 
 Any information would be helpful.
 
 
 
 

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Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Mike Chabot

What you heard is false. I agree with what Jason said.

-Mike Chabot

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:18 PM, scott bloodworth sbloodwo...@rinovelty.com
 wrote:


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Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Patrick Santora

Out of curiosity, how is that false Mike?

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mike Chabot mcha...@gmail.com wrote:


 What you heard is false. I agree with what Jason said.

 -Mike Chabot

 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:18 PM, scott bloodworth 
 sbloodwo...@rinovelty.com
  wrote:

 
  Have heard that these two skill sets work hand in hand.  One can easily
  learn the other environment fairly easy, is this true?  is there a
 benefit
  in looking for one or the other in employment?
 


 

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Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Wil Genovese

If a person does not know Java there is a steep learning curve. The reverse is 
not true, ColdFusion is relatively easy to learn. Thus a Java programmer would 
typically have an easier time transitioning to ColdFusion than the reverse 
scenario.  All the typical qualifiers in place (on average, typical, only 
applies to some, but not all, etc.)


Wil Genovese
Sr. Web Application Developer/
Systems Administrator
CF Webtools
www.cfwebtools.com

wilg...@trunkful.com
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On Jun 20, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Patrick Santora wrote:

 
 Out of curiosity, how is that false Mike?
 
 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mike Chabot mcha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 What you heard is false. I agree with what Jason said.
 
 -Mike Chabot
 
 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:18 PM, scott bloodworth 
 sbloodwo...@rinovelty.com
 wrote:
 
 
 Have heard that these two skill sets work hand in hand.  One can easily
 learn the other environment fairly easy, is this true?  is there a
 benefit
 in looking for one or the other in employment?
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Patrick Santora

Understandable.

However my point was towards what would need to be encompassed in order to
work within the both environments efficiently. Of course ColdFusion is
easier and most likely always will be. But I felt some clarity was needed
since the question was flirting with a commonality between the two
environments.

Thanks Wil

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com wrote:


 If a person does not know Java there is a steep learning curve. The reverse
 is not true, ColdFusion is relatively easy to learn. Thus a Java programmer
 would typically have an easier time transitioning to ColdFusion than the
 reverse scenario.  All the typical qualifiers in place (on average, typical,
 only applies to some, but not all, etc.)


 Wil Genovese
 Sr. Web Application Developer/
 Systems Administrator
 CF Webtools
 www.cfwebtools.com

 wilg...@trunkful.com
 www.trunkful.com

 On Jun 20, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Patrick Santora wrote:

 
  Out of curiosity, how is that false Mike?
 
  On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mike Chabot mcha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
  What you heard is false. I agree with what Jason said.
 
  -Mike Chabot
 
  On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:18 PM, scott bloodworth 
  sbloodwo...@rinovelty.com
  wrote:
 
 
  Have heard that these two skill sets work hand in hand.  One can easily
  learn the other environment fairly easy, is this true?  is there a
  benefit
  in looking for one or the other in employment?
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Andrew Scott

Any developer who thinks analytically can learn any language, once you
already have it in your head what you need to do, learning any language can
be easy.

CF is good because it allows non-programmers to get up and running quickly,
so the learning curve is smaller than any other language. Which can also be
its downside because it also promotes badly written code as well, and in my
opinion that will end up hurting the language even more.

I have seen a non-programmer learn CF, a groovy/grails developer learn CF
and all they have in common is the aptitude.


Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/




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 Sent: Tuesday, 21 June 2011 3:21 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer
 
 
 Depends on experience.
 
 In general, a Java developer could be more-easily trained in CF.
 
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RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Andrew Scott

Actually than can work hand in hand, there are a lot of things that
ColdFusion can't do out of the box. But there is a massive library of Java
Code out there, with a small tweak can be written and leveraged of in
ColdFusion.

As an example.

Mark Mandels JavaLoader has helped with libraries like the OWASPI project,
try writing that in ColdFusion. You can certainly use it, but you would
struggle to write it in ColdFusion alone.

Other examples, you might need to have a top tier servlet. Which would be
able to sit at the level before ColdFusion, and this would need to be
written in Java if you want this to across platforms.

I could go on and on with many examples where you are wrong Mike.


Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/



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 Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer
 
 
 What you heard is false. I agree with what Jason said.
 
 -Mike Chabot
 


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RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Andrew Scott

This is only true if they have not been exposed to other languages to begin
with, programming is not just about the language you are programming in. But
the logical flow of the code, to say that a CF developer would not be able
to go to Java is not true. They might struggle if they don't have an
analytical approach to any language, but I have seen CF developers learn
grails/groovy and hundreds of other languages like Rails.

But yeah if you're a designer and have picked up CF then sure that would
make it a touch more difficult, but I have even seen designers pick up Java
with ease because they can approach it in the right manner.


Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/


 -Original Message-
 From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@trunkful.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, 21 June 2011 5:08 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer
 
 
 If a person does not know Java there is a steep learning curve. The
reverse is
 not true, ColdFusion is relatively easy to learn. Thus a Java programmer
 would typically have an easier time transitioning to ColdFusion than the
 reverse scenario.  All the typical qualifiers in place (on average,
typical, only
 applies to some, but not all, etc.)
 
 
 Wil Genovese
 Sr. Web Application Developer/
 Systems Administrator
 CF Webtools
 www.cfwebtools.com
 
 wilg...@trunkful.com
 www.trunkful.com
 


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Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Wil Genovese

I don't know, I've programmed Assembler, FORTRAN, C/C++ and many others. Java 
has a funky way of doing things as far as I am concerned.


Wil Genovese
Sr. Web Application Developer/
Systems Administrator
CF Webtools
www.cfwebtools.com

wilg...@trunkful.com
www.trunkful.com

On Jun 20, 2011, at 3:11 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:

 
 This is only true if they have not been exposed to other languages to begin
 with, programming is not just about the language you are programming in. But
 the logical flow of the code, to say that a CF developer would not be able
 to go to Java is not true. They might struggle if they don't have an
 analytical approach to any language, but I have seen CF developers learn
 grails/groovy and hundreds of other languages like Rails.
 
 But yeah if you're a designer and have picked up CF then sure that would
 make it a touch more difficult, but I have even seen designers pick up Java
 with ease because they can approach it in the right manner.
 
 
 Regards,
 Andrew Scott
 http://www.andyscott.id.au/
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@trunkful.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, 21 June 2011 5:08 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer
 
 
 If a person does not know Java there is a steep learning curve. The
 reverse is
 not true, ColdFusion is relatively easy to learn. Thus a Java programmer
 would typically have an easier time transitioning to ColdFusion than the
 reverse scenario.  All the typical qualifiers in place (on average,
 typical, only
 applies to some, but not all, etc.)
 
 
 Wil Genovese
 Sr. Web Application Developer/
 Systems Administrator
 CF Webtools
 www.cfwebtools.com
 
 wilg...@trunkful.com
 www.trunkful.com
 
 
 
 

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Processing Forms with CF from jQuery Mobile AJAX

2011-06-20 Thread Rick Faircloth

I've been using jQuery to process forms via AJAX and CF
for a couple of years without problem.

But I've been working on some tutorials for jQuery Mobile
and I'm a little confused about how it handles form
processing.

The tutorials and even docs are a little sketchy...at least
I'm not finding what I need.

Anyway, I read that jQuery Mobile automatically intercepts
the form submissions and processes them via AJAX.  I'm used to
having to write the interrupt routine, parse the form variables,
and submit the form via $.ajax.

So I'm not sure how much, if any, jQuery I need to write to
process form via AJAX.

When I submit a form to a processing page, I'm getting errors
from the jQuery or jQuery Mobile code like this:

false)a.mobile.activePage=k;h(k);yD...dd(k).removeClas( out in reverse


So I must be trying to process the form in an incorrect manner.

Some examples I've seen have the typical intercept, validation,
and AJAX processing of form variables, but those are the
more advanced uses.

At the most basic level, what, if any, jQuery and CF would be needed to
process a form?

Same as with jQuery and CF?  I just need to see one complete sample
of a form on jQuery Mobile and a CF processing page (without validation),
and I'll understand how jQuery Mobile differs from jQuery in what it's
doing automatically that jQuery does not.

I don't want to write all the jQuery if I don't have to... and if I'm not
supposed to, it could interfere with jQuery Mobile's function.

Anyone got a sample handy?

Rick



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On-line CF Graphics / Image Editor

2011-06-20 Thread Daniel McDonnell

I’m looking for an on-line graphics / image editor we can use with our 
ColdFusion applications. Need lasso, cut paste, etc. Looked at Clarkii but 
it’s missing some functions I need and also has limitations because it’s 
flashed based.

Anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks

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Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Jason Durham

It seems like the nitpicking thus far is really superfluous.  Learning CFML
doesn't get you any closer to being a Java developer than learning .NET.
The converse is probably true (learning .NET is a better step in that
direction).

If you already know CFML and are looking to expand your skillset, Java would
compliment your skills in CF. Being that you posed this question, I imagine
learning Java won't be easy but if you have the desire and time, I say go
for it.

FWIW, I wasn't insinuating anything by my last comment.  I'm just under the
impression that you haven't spent much time with Java.  Pick up a book or
two and see if you like it.

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RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Andrew Scott

Yeah I have programmed, CPM, Card Readers, 8086, 6502, 6510 and the later to
the Consoles of Mega Drive, NES, SENS etc. And much more.

The point is each language has its own quirks to learn, etc. But you can
still get up and running in next to no time with some small apps, in any
language you choose.

People like you Will is what I am referring too, you understand the flow you
want. And you can use that to learn any language you put your mind too, its
not difficult to get into the front door. Learning all the patterns etc then
that becomes difficult if you don't understand them.

Hell it took me 15 years to learn OOP, back in the days of C++ I always
believed that the extra code and data in a class was a waste. Then one day
it just clicked, but by that stage I was into programming Java and had to
force myself to accept that OOP was good for me.


Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/



 -Original Message-
 From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@trunkful.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, 21 June 2011 6:22 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer
 
 
 I don't know, I've programmed Assembler, FORTRAN, C/C++ and many
 others. Java has a funky way of doing things as far as I am concerned.
 
 
 Wil Genovese
 Sr. Web Application Developer/
 Systems Administrator
 CF Webtools
 www.cfwebtools.com
 
 wilg...@trunkful.com
 www.trunkful.com
 
 On Jun 20, 2011, at 3:11 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:
 
 
  This is only true if they have not been exposed to other languages to
  begin with, programming is not just about the language you are
  programming in. But the logical flow of the code, to say that a CF
  developer would not be able to go to Java is not true. They might
  struggle if they don't have an analytical approach to any language,
  but I have seen CF developers learn grails/groovy and hundreds of other
 languages like Rails.
 
  But yeah if you're a designer and have picked up CF then sure that
  would make it a touch more difficult, but I have even seen designers
  pick up Java with ease because they can approach it in the right manner.
 
 
  Regards,
  Andrew Scott
  http://www.andyscott.id.au/
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@trunkful.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, 21 June 2011 5:08 AM
  To: cf-talk
  Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer
 
 
  If a person does not know Java there is a steep learning curve. The
  reverse is
  not true, ColdFusion is relatively easy to learn. Thus a Java
  programmer would typically have an easier time transitioning to
  ColdFusion than the reverse scenario.  All the typical qualifiers in
  place (on average,
  typical, only
  applies to some, but not all, etc.)
 
 
  Wil Genovese
  Sr. Web Application Developer/
  Systems Administrator
  CF Webtools
  www.cfwebtools.com
 
  wilg...@trunkful.com
  www.trunkful.com
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: On-line CF Graphics / Image Editor

2011-06-20 Thread Gerald Guido

Pixlr is pretty freakin slick.

http://pixlr.com/editor/

It also has an API for rolling it into ones site.

http://pixlr.com/developer/api

And it is Free.

HTH
G!



On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Daniel McDonnell dan...@tacticom.comwrote:

 Clarkii




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Re: On-line CF Graphics / Image Editor

2011-06-20 Thread Jordan Michaels

There's also some impressive editors over at Aviary:

http://developers.aviary.com/

Warm regards,
Jordan Michaels

On 06/20/2011 02:20 PM, Gerald Guido wrote:

 Pixlr is pretty freakin slick.

 http://pixlr.com/editor/

 It also has an API for rolling it into ones site.

 http://pixlr.com/developer/api

 And it is Free.

 HTH
 G!



 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Daniel McDonnelldan...@tacticom.comwrote:

 Clarkii





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Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Mike Chabot

The person asking the question appears to be someone without much experience
in either language and is likely not a programming master with a 15 year
work history. In theory, anybody can lean anything. I could become a brain
surgeon if I really put my mind to it, but I don't think the original poster
was looking for you can do it! motivation.  If he tries to get a job doing
Java programming, I don't think anyone would hire him and put him through an
extensive training course. Most employers could easily find an inexperienced
new college grad that at least knows Java, considering that is what most
high schools and colleges teach.

I was saying the original statement is false since I would never trivialize
the effort needed to become proficient in Java. Becoming a good Java
programmer is not easy, as the original statement was implying. It
involves a lot of hard work and takes years. A CF site might benefit from
adding in some Java code, but a Java-based Web site would never use CF code,
so the work hand in hand part of the statement false, since that statement
implies a benefit in both directions. Working hand in hand means both
technologies are closely linked and are used together, which is almost never
the case. I would estimate that around 1% of CF sites make use of
significant Java code and 0% of Java-based Web sites make use of any CF
code. I would agree that you can easily drop Java code into a  CF site, but
almost nobody does this in the current versions of CF since CF 9 provides
nearly every feature a Web site could need without having to extend it in
any significant way.

-Mike Chabot

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote:


 Actually than can work hand in hand, there are a lot of things that
 ColdFusion can't do out of the box. But there is a massive library of Java
 Code out there, with a small tweak can be written and leveraged of in
 ColdFusion.


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Re: cffile append too slow

2011-06-20 Thread Richard White

wow, filewriteline reduced it from 800ms to 0ms! impressive, thanks



 If you're using CF8 or CF9 you have the newer File functions.  They
 may well perform better than CFFILE.
 
 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Richard White rich...@j7is.co.uk 
 wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  We have noticed that simply writing 1 line to a text file using 
 cffile append takes approx 800ms. is there a quicker alternative to 
 this?
 
  thanks
 
  

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Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Sean Corfield

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jason Durham jqdur...@gmail.com wrote:
 It seems like the nitpicking thus far is really superfluous.  Learning CFML
 doesn't get you any closer to being a Java developer than learning .NET.
 The converse is probably true (learning .NET is a better step in that
 direction).

.NET (C#) and Java are certainly closer to each other than CFML is to either.

 If you already know CFML and are looking to expand your skillset, Java would
 compliment your skills in CF.

One thing I'll caution is that if all you know is CFML and you then
learn Java, resist the temptation to write your CFML code like your
Java code - CFML is a dynamic scripting language that doesn't know
require everything to be an object, unlike Java which is a
strongly-typed, compile-deploy-debug language where everything must be
an object. I don't think CFers realize how rigid and different Java
really is - and these days there are many far better languages
available on the JVM than Java. Groovy for dynamic but traditional
approaches, Scala for strongly-typed functional-OO hybrid without
Java's verbosity, Clojure for dynamic pure functional. Heck, even
JRuby is probably a better bet than Java (but it's interop story is
not as good as the other three I mentioned).

Knowing the Java stack and libraries is more important than knowing
the Java language itself.
-- 
Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
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Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Sean Corfield

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:18 AM, scott bloodworth
sbloodwo...@rinovelty.com wrote:
 One can easily learn the other environment fairly easy, is this true?

As others have indicated, learning Java is much harder than learning CFML.

 is there a benefit in looking for one or the other in employment?

I don't think anyone will disagree that there are a lot more Java jobs
out there than CFML jobs.

You probably need to provide a bit more background about yourself,
your skills, your expectations etc before folks can really give you
more specific advice.
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RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Andrew Scott

You missed the point, I can tell you someone who has never programmed in
their life. Took up programming in CF and ran with it fast, not only that
but thay also picked up Flash, and Javascript and ExtJS and JQuery.

In a space of 3 months I can tell you I was impressed.

Now whether you have 3 months or 15 years, or even 31 years like myself. You
have to have the aptitude to learn it, without that it will be difficult.

So you are still wrong, unless you know this person extremely well you can
not judge him/her on what they might or might not be able to do.

But you are right you can't use expect that one can pick it up, and then
expect to get paid top dollar either. But you can certainly look at junior
positions that can lead to better training and expertise to work with.

Actually becoming a good Java developer is not hard, becoming someone who is
fluent is. That means knowing beans, servelets, Spring, patterns and many
more to boot, but as I stated you can very easily get a grasp of the basics
and go for a junior position without any troubles what so ever.

Regards,
Andrew Scott
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 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Chabot [mailto:mcha...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, 21 June 2011 7:57 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer
 
 
 The person asking the question appears to be someone without much
 experience in either language and is likely not a programming master with
a
 15 year work history. In theory, anybody can lean anything. I could become
a
 brain surgeon if I really put my mind to it, but I don't think the
original poster
 was looking for you can do it! motivation.  If he tries to get a job
doing Java
 programming, I don't think anyone would hire him and put him through an
 extensive training course. Most employers could easily find an
inexperienced
 new college grad that at least knows Java, considering that is what most
high
 schools and colleges teach.
 
 I was saying the original statement is false since I would never
trivialize the
 effort needed to become proficient in Java. Becoming a good Java
 programmer is not easy, as the original statement was implying. It
involves
 a lot of hard work and takes years. A CF site might benefit from adding in
 some Java code, but a Java-based Web site would never use CF code, so the
 work hand in hand part of the statement false, since that statement
 implies a benefit in both directions. Working hand in hand means both
 technologies are closely linked and are used together, which is almost
never
 the case. I would estimate that around 1% of CF sites make use of
significant
 Java code and 0% of Java-based Web sites make use of any CF code. I would
 agree that you can easily drop Java code into a  CF site, but almost
nobody
 does this in the current versions of CF since CF 9 provides nearly every
 feature a Web site could need without having to extend it in any
significant
 way.
 
 -Mike Chabot
 


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RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Ben Forta

CF=automatic, Java=stick-shift

You can start with one and then learn the other, but stick-shift drivers can
learn to drive automatic far easier than the reverse. When done, both
benefit from the added expertise, the stick-shift driver can benefit from
automatic simplicity (and be more productive thanks to a free hand), and the
automatic driver will benefit from the greater control afforded by
stick-shift.

--- Ben



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Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 6:25 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer


On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:18 AM, scott bloodworth
sbloodwo...@rinovelty.com wrote:
 One can easily learn the other environment fairly easy, is this true?

As others have indicated, learning Java is much harder than learning CFML.

 is there a benefit in looking for one or the other in employment?

I don't think anyone will disagree that there are a lot more Java jobs out
there than CFML jobs.

You probably need to provide a bit more background about yourself, your
skills, your expectations etc before folks can really give you more specific
advice.
--
Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. --
http://worldsingles.com/ Railo Technologies, Inc. --
http://www.getrailo.com/

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mail processing problems w/ CF 7

2011-06-20 Thread Ben Conner

Hi,

I started noticing a problem with mail processing on our CF server.  I'm seeing 
a lot of the following in the exception.log file:

Error,mailWorker-2,06/20/11,16:06:30,,For input string: 
mail.webworldinc.com:25
java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: mail.webworldinc.com:25
 at 
java.lang.NumberFormatException.forInputString(NumberFormatException.java:48)
 at java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Integer.java:468)
 at java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Integer.java:518)
 at coldfusion.mail.HostImpl.parseServer(HostImpl.java:265)
 at coldfusion.mail.HostImpl.parseServer(HostImpl.java:209)
 at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.processFile(MailSpooler.java:1678)
 at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.retrieveSpoolMail(MailSpooler.java:1607)
 at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.access$400(MailSpooler.java:66)
 at 
coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler$SpoolerSoftCache.fetch(MailSpooler.java:2018)
 at coldfusion.util.SoftCache.get(SoftCache.java:81)
 at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.retrieveMail(MailSpooler.java:1510)
 at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.sendMail(MailSpooler.java:695)
 at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.access$200(MailSpooler.java:66)
 at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler$2.run(MailSpooler.java:1049)
 at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534)

Not a lot of useful info that I can see.  Anyone have any suggestions?

--Ben

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Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Sean Corfield

Great analogy!

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Ben Forta b...@forta.com wrote:

 CF=automatic, Java=stick-shift

 You can start with one and then learn the other, but stick-shift drivers can
 learn to drive automatic far easier than the reverse. When done, both
 benefit from the added expertise, the stick-shift driver can benefit from
 automatic simplicity (and be more productive thanks to a free hand), and the
 automatic driver will benefit from the greater control afforded by
 stick-shift.

 --- Ben

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Re: mail processing problems w/ CF 7

2011-06-20 Thread Justin Scott

 I started noticing a problem with mail processing on our CF server.  I'm
 seeing a lot of the following in the exception.log file:

Is the port number (25) being appended to the mail server hostname in
your CF code or in the mail server specification in the CF
administrator?  What version of the JVM?


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Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer

2011-06-20 Thread Gerald Guido

Great analogy!

No kidding. I bet he would be good at explaining CF to other people.

G!


On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote:


 Great analogy!

 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Ben Forta b...@forta.com wrote:
 
  CF=automatic, Java=stick-shift
 
  You can start with one and then learn the other, but stick-shift drivers
 can
  learn to drive automatic far easier than the reverse. When done, both
  benefit from the added expertise, the stick-shift driver can benefit from
  automatic simplicity (and be more productive thanks to a free hand), and
 the
  automatic driver will benefit from the greater control afforded by
  stick-shift.
 
  --- Ben

 

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