Re: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer
Development only with a well-defined project spec? $60/hr. Otherwise, $75/hr. On Thu, Nov 3, 2005 at 10:38 AM, John Lucania john.luca...@gmail.com wrote: Morning, Gurus! What is the avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer for gov/non-for-profit contract work in Wash DC area and surburb?The hourly rate won't include any benefits or whatsoever. jl ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:317361 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer
Any elected representative of mine who votes for that sure as hell isn't getting my vote in the next election cycle. I have a handful of friends, really good developers, who are currently jobless, and the only reason I'm probably not jobless is because I've switched careers to teaching. Pete On Thu, Nov 3, 2005 at 11:13 AM, Lee l...@honeycomb.net wrote: Congress is looking at adding another 210,000 or so HB1 Visas which could trend those numbers lower. Lee ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:317363 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer
Most of the independents that I know get between $40 to $130/hr. Those numbers vary by the nature of the work and overhead. Basically if the client gives you a predefined scope of work, i.e sub contracting for another shop (B2B), where you don't have to deal directly with the client, the rates are lower. If you are working in house (or remotely) as a temp/subcontractor for say, a 1-3 month project, the hourly rate (on Monster.com) is between 30-60 hr. No hassles... you just get paid for the work you do. For contract work acting as the design/development house and walking in cold, doing a scope of work, writing the proposal/contract etc. you start getting into the higher end of the range (greater risk/more work). If you have to do administrative work like writing contracts, book keeping, customer service etc. you need to figure that in to your hourly rate as overhead. When I was running my shop I billed at $50/hr when I first started and moved up to $75 to $95 /hr. One of my friends (a client) said that I should raise my rates because people would question the quality of the work if my rate it too low. The next project I did for him I jacked my rate up $25 an hr. (Hey... you said I need to raise my rates.) In any event, my advice for doing *ANY* client/contract work (I have been burned by a non profit mind you) is to get a bullet proof contract. I bought the Web Development and Hosting Suite from http://www.contractedge.com and it has served me well. Define the scope of work as best you can, leave as little to interpretation as possible and *document everything*. HTH G On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Pete Ruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.comwrote: Development only with a well-defined project spec? $60/hr. Otherwise, $75/hr. On Thu, Nov 3, 2005 at 10:38 AM, John Lucania john.luca...@gmail.com wrote: Morning, Gurus! What is the avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer for gov/non-for-profit contract work in Wash DC area and surburb?The hourly rate won't include any benefits or whatsoever. jl ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:317368 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer
That seems to be the going rate down here in this neck of the woods for self employed developers working 1099. I'd thought up in DC people would get more since the cost of living I am told is much higher up there than down here. Although it also does not surprise me because the few times I have gone looking for work, I would always get out of state offers that paid no more than what I would get here but always be in places that had a higher cost of living. On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Pete Ruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.comwrote: Development only with a well-defined project spec? $60/hr. Otherwise, $75/hr. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:317369 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer
I've heard of rates anywhere from $30 to $200 or more for established firms. I've also heard of much less for over seas contractors. Congress is looking at adding another 210,000 or so HB1 Visas which could trend those numbers lower. Lee On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:55:15 -0600 Kevin Aebig ke...@keslabs.com wrote: ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:317346 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer
You're welcome to check out our rates statistics from freelance professionals in the field...http://www.odesk.com/community/oconomy. This should give you an actual idea...just click on Rates Statistics and look up your field. Hope this helps. Daryl James - oDesk ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:317347 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
[SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer
Morning, Gurus! What is the avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer for gov/non-for-profit contract work in Wash DC area and surburb?The hourly rate won't include any benefits or whatsoever. jl ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223024 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer
Not sure about the DC area, but up here I go with $35/hour CDN which comes out to about 4 cents US... Kevin -Original Message- From: John Lucania [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 3, 2005 9:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer Morning, Gurus! What is the avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer for gov/non-for-profit contract work in Wash DC area and surburb?The hourly rate won't include any benefits or whatsoever. jl ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223027 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer
I've heard of rates anywhere from $30 to $200 or more for established firms. I've also heard of much less for over seas contractors. Congress is looking at adding another 210,000 or so HB1 Visas which could trend those numbers lower. Lee On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:55:15 -0600 Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure about the DC area, but up here I go with $35/hour CDN which comes out to about 4 cents US... Kevin -Original Message- From: John Lucania [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 3, 2005 9:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer Morning, Gurus! What is the avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer for gov/non-for-profit contract work in Wash DC area and surburb?The hourly rate won't include any benefits or whatsoever. jl ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223030 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer
Holly. who is getting $200 or more? The salary is almost ~ $.5 mil then. jl On 11/3/05, Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard of rates anywhere from $30 to $200 or more for established firms. I've also heard of much less for over seas contractors. Congress is looking at adding another 210,000 or so HB1 Visas which could trend those numbers lower. Lee On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:55:15 -0600 Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure about the DC area, but up here I go with $35/hour CDN which comes out to about 4 cents US... Kevin -Original Message- From: John Lucania [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 3, 2005 9:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer Morning, Gurus! What is the avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer for gov/non-for-profit contract work in Wash DC area and surburb?The hourly rate won't include any benefits or whatsoever. jl ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223045 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer
I personally wouldn't take less than $60 an hour if it's a one person consulting gig. It would be less for someone that doesn't have a clearance around here. If your talking about a development company your probably looking around $130-$150 an hour, if it's W2 and the company is going to take care of social security and all that. Tim Heald [EMAIL PROTECTED] ColdFusion Developer Signal Solutions, Inc Work : 202-224-1224 Cell : 703-765-0618 -Original Message- From: John Lucania [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer Morning, Gurus! What is the avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer for gov/non-for-profit contract work in Wash DC area and surburb?The hourly rate won't include any benefits or whatsoever. jl ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223047 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer
I know here in colorado that some firms have problems getting anyone if they only offer $45-$50 an hour w/benfits. Working on your own you should be able to charge $70-$150 an hour. I mostly base it off on a per page basis. basic set up fee $500 - $1000, basic template, css, xhtml, basic db, etc... $175 a page for cfm pages flash and other things like photo galleries and stuff is a minimal charge. Extensive graphics, I add on and pay my graphics guys $50 an hour. ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. From: Tim Heald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:21 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer I personally wouldn't take less than $60 an hour if it's a one person consulting gig. It would be less for someone that doesn't have a clearance around here. If your talking about a development company your probably looking around $130-$150 an hour, if it's W2 and the company is going to take care of social security and all that. Tim Heald [EMAIL PROTECTED] ColdFusion Developer Signal Solutions, Inc Work : 202-224-1224 Cell : 703-765-0618 -Original Message- From: John Lucania [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer Morning, Gurus! What is the avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer for gov/non-for-profit contract work in Wash DC area and surburb? The hourly rate won't include any benefits or whatsoever. jl ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223049 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer
I have a blog on this that includes my own thoughts plus a number of insightful methods of estimating in the comments. It's more about a project but it applies nicely to the points folks are bringing up. http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=063AE2A0-FB52-7CA5- A0FB864036A497E0 -Mark -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer I know here in colorado that some firms have problems getting anyone if they only offer $45-$50 an hour w/benfits. Working on your own you should be able to charge $70-$150 an hour. I mostly base it off on a per page basis. basic set up fee $500 - $1000, basic template, css, xhtml, basic db, etc... $175 a page for cfm pages flash and other things like photo galleries and stuff is a minimal charge. Extensive graphics, I add on and pay my graphics guys $50 an hour. ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223052 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer
hmmm, makes sense. what if it is telecommuting work? jl On 11/3/05, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know here in colorado that some firms have problems getting anyone if they only offer $45-$50 an hour w/benfits. Working on your own you should be able to charge $70-$150 an hour. I mostly base it off on a per page basis. basic set up fee $500 - $1000, basic template, css, xhtml, basic db, etc... $175 a page for cfm pages flash and other things like photo galleries and stuff is a minimal charge. Extensive graphics, I add on and pay my graphics guys $50 an hour. ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. From: Tim Heald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:21 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer I personally wouldn't take less than $60 an hour if it's a one person consulting gig. It would be less for someone that doesn't have a clearance around here. If your talking about a development company your probably looking around $130-$150 an hour, if it's W2 and the company is going to take care of social security and all that. Tim Heald [EMAIL PROTECTED] ColdFusion Developer Signal Solutions, Inc Work : 202-224-1224 Cell : 703-765-0618 -Original Message- From: John Lucania [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer Morning, Gurus! What is the avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer for gov/non-for-profit contract work in Wash DC area and surburb? The hourly rate won't include any benefits or whatsoever. jl ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223053 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [CAUTION]Re: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer
It depends on the scope and length of contract. As a solo contrator I've done work for as low as $60/hr and as high as $180/hr. Back when I worked for a consulting firm, I was contracted out at $225/hr. Obviously *I* didn't get that money. I saw only a small fraction of that go into my salary and the rest went to the accountants. -Original Message- From: John Lucania [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: [CAUTION]Re: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer Holly. who is getting $200 or more? The salary is almost ~ $.5 mil then. jl On 11/3/05, Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard of rates anywhere from $30 to $200 or more for established firms. I've also heard of much less for over seas contractors. Congress is looking at adding another 210,000 or so HB1 Visas which could trend those numbers lower. Lee On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:55:15 -0600 Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure about the DC area, but up here I go with $35/hour CDN which comes out to about 4 cents US... Kevin -Original Message- From: John Lucania [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 3, 2005 9:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: [SOT] avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer Morning, Gurus! What is the avg hourly rate for mid and adv cf programmer for gov/non-for-profit contract work in Wash DC area and surburb?The hourly rate won't include any benefits or whatsoever. jl ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223088 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
