Re: CF-based CMS?
Isaac, I think you're dead right. I suspect the comments Geoff made to himself when he started to write his post might have been a bit more ... um .. vivid. But as always, his outward reaction was professional and considered. I wish i could be as calm and professional when my work gets criticised. I too was very impressed with his reaction. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 12/29/07, s. isaac dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I certainly don't want to beat a dead horse or anything here, and this > comment may seem somewhat odd to others on the list, but I just wanted > to say that I found Geoff's response to this thread remarkably > professional. It can be a real challenge to not take it personally (at > least I find) when someone is complaining about your own work and I know > that I've not always been as calm or as professional as I would like. > That's it. Just wanted to express my appreciation. > > ike > > -- ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:295521 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF-based CMS?
I certainly don't want to beat a dead horse or anything here, and this comment may seem somewhat odd to others on the list, but I just wanted to say that I found Geoff's response to this thread remarkably professional. It can be a real challenge to not take it personally (at least I find) when someone is complaining about your own work and I know that I've not always been as calm or as professional as I would like. That's it. Just wanted to express my appreciation. ike -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 503.236.3691 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:295519 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF-based CMS?
It definitely takes some getting used to and has a learning curve (for both use and development), but it does have a huge array of features, it is free, and once set up correctly it works very well (look at caching and also be absolutely sure that report execution times is turned off on the CF Debugging settings page). I worked at a large site where FarCry was implemented and because they saved so much money vs. commercial products like Paperthin they were able to use some of the saved money for training and support. On Dec 26, 2007 6:59 PM, RobG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi... I'm wondering if somebody has a list of ColdFusion-based content > management systems. I need one (free preferably) for a client that > needs a CMS-based website. > > I've been using Farcry for a few months, and frankly, I'm fed up with > it. I would rather write my own from scratch than continue to use that > piece of festering crap. There is little to no documentation available, > it is incredibly poorly written and buggy, it is SLOW, and it is > confusing even for a 10+ year CF veteran such as myself. My client is > mystified by it and has refused to use it. > > So.. are there any others out there? I would hate to switch them to php > or something else... > > Thanks! > > Rob > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:295482 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF-based CMS?
On 27/12/2007, RobG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been using Farcry for a few months, and frankly, I'm fed up with > it. I would rather write my own from scratch than continue to use that > piece of festering crap. I don't think I've ever heard FarCry [1] described quite that way before. I'm sorry to hear you were unable to create a workable solution but I suspect that has more to do with your implementation than anything else. > There is little to no documentation available, There's a large WIKI [2], a busy set of developer forums and a 130pg developer course book available. Of course we'd like the documentation to be better -- we do our best to add something new every day. Perhaps you could help by pointing out more specifically where the documentation is unclear or could be improved. > it is incredibly poorly written and buggy, I'm sure there is a mix of both good and bad programming -- there always is in a code base the size of FarCry. On the whole I find it to be a pleasure to work with. We try and address bugs as quickly as we can -- assuming they have been reported [3] (I was unable to see any you may have reported). Given the size of the code base, its complexity and the speed of ongoing development we're bound to miss a few. > it is SLOW, Actually its not. There are several very large implementations of FarCry worldwide that perform extremely well. I'd suggest your performance issues revolve around the specifics of your implementation. > and it is confusing even for a 10+ year CF veteran such as myself. Like any development framework you need to take the time to learn the framework -- no amount of CF experience is going to help bluster through. > My client is mystified by it and has refused to use it. That is a grand shame. I suspect that has more to do with the way the solution was presented to them rather than the solution itself. Certainly FarCry works for our clients, and many others besides. Raise your problems on the FarCry forums -- we may be able to help you through. If not, hopefully you can find a solution better suited to your requirements. Best regards, -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ [1]: http://www.farcrycms.org/ [2]: http://docs.farcrycms.org/ [3]: http://bugs.farcrycms.org/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:295466 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF-based CMS?
Yeah, I have been trying to get a FarCry implementation going for a few weeks and for the life of me I cannot get the navigation to do what I want it to. I admit that I am not very good at CSS and I am sure that the CSS has something to do with it. And what I want is very simple I am sure but again I cannot get it to work the way I want. If I could figure this one part out I would use FarCry over anything else I have been looking at. Right now I am trying out Speck. It is not a intuitive as FarCry but it looks like I have more control over the navigation than in FarCry. But I would not agree that it is a festering POS. It is quite mature and feature rich. Bruce Mark Kruger wrote: > Rob, > > Frankly I think you must using some other product than we are... We love > Farcry. We have almost 30 sites using it so far and more on the way. > > -mark > > Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE > (402) 408-3733 ext 105 > www.cfwebtools.com > www.coldfusionmuse.com > www.necfug.com > > > -Original Message- > From: RobG > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 5:59 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: CF-based CMS? > > Hi... I'm wondering if somebody has a list of ColdFusion-based content > management systems. I need one (free preferably) for a client that needs a > CMS-based website. > > I've been using Farcry for a few months, .. > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:295437 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CF-based CMS?
Rob, Frankly I think you must using some other product than we are... We love Farcry. We have almost 30 sites using it so far and more on the way. -mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: RobG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 5:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF-based CMS? Hi... I'm wondering if somebody has a list of ColdFusion-based content management systems. I need one (free preferably) for a client that needs a CMS-based website. I've been using Farcry for a few months, and frankly, I'm fed up with it. I would rather write my own from scratch than continue to use that piece of festering crap. There is little to no documentation available, it is incredibly poorly written and buggy, it is SLOW, and it is confusing even for a 10+ year CF veteran such as myself. My client is mystified by it and has refused to use it. So.. are there any others out there? I would hate to switch them to php or something else... Thanks! Rob ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:295435 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CF-based CMS?
Sorry for the spam folks - didn't mean to send that to the list. N . .. Nick Gleason | CitySoft, Inc. | http://www.citysoft.com Direct: (617) 899-5395 | Fax: (617) 507-0444 Spend Less >> Do More - Community Enterprise combines great features with an affordable price. . .. > -Original Message- > From: Nick Gleason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:31 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CF-based CMS? > > Rob, > > Would CE meet your needs? No pressure... > > N > > .. > ... > .. > > Nick Gleason | CitySoft, Inc. | http://www.citysoft.com > > Direct: (617) 899-5395 | Fax: (617) 507-0444 > > > Spend Less >> Do More - Community Enterprise combines great > features with an affordable price. > .. > ... > .. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: RobG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 6:59 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: CF-based CMS? > > > > Hi... I'm wondering if somebody has a list of > > ColdFusion-based content management systems. I need one > > (free preferably) for a client that needs a CMS-based website. > > > > I've been using Farcry for a few months, and frankly, I'm fed > > up with it. I would rather write my own from scratch than > > continue to use that piece of festering crap. There is > > little to no documentation available, it is incredibly poorly > > written and buggy, it is SLOW, and it is confusing even for a > > 10+ year CF veteran such as myself. My client is mystified > > by it and has refused to use it. > > > > So.. are there any others out there? I would hate to switch > > them to php or something else... > > > > Thanks! > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:295396 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF-based CMS?
Rob, Would CE meet your needs? No pressure... N . .. Nick Gleason | CitySoft, Inc. | http://www.citysoft.com Direct: (617) 899-5395 | Fax: (617) 507-0444 Spend Less >> Do More - Community Enterprise combines great features with an affordable price. . .. > -Original Message- > From: RobG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 6:59 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: CF-based CMS? > > Hi... I'm wondering if somebody has a list of > ColdFusion-based content management systems. I need one > (free preferably) for a client that needs a CMS-based website. > > I've been using Farcry for a few months, and frankly, I'm fed > up with it. I would rather write my own from scratch than > continue to use that piece of festering crap. There is > little to no documentation available, it is incredibly poorly > written and buggy, it is SLOW, and it is confusing even for a > 10+ year CF veteran such as myself. My client is mystified > by it and has refused to use it. > > So.. are there any others out there? I would hate to switch > them to php or something else... > > Thanks! > > Rob > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:295395 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF-based CMS?
@2-3 "knowledgeable" people> For such a poor showing in a community, I'd have not expected FarCry to score within the top 4 in that CFemmy survey, and yet it did ;). It's a good community, that does what it can when it can. Please don't slam the people there as it does not truly reflect that it is a good community. @bugginess, complexity, etc.> As Geoff has pointed out in the past, the clients that purchase their service also get training. He maintains that the vast majority of all usability issues are best addressed through edification. Once trained, I believe the term he used was they take to it like fish to water. At any rate, it was hashed out in a thread in the groups found here, http://groups.google.com/group/farcry-dev/browse_thread/thread/046831f02c34119a#e97c9780aba77309. Geoff does a much better job of addressing what you brought up. But to address a specific point, where a user deleted a site tree with no error thrown, that's pretty simple to address with permissions from within FarCry. You'd make a new super admin group, and only give this group access to the home node. Then, through training, you'd inform the client that only super admins can touch this node and the ramifications what deleting this node could cause. In my opinion, its a very small nit to pick. I could bring up a command prompt on my windows machine and, provided I was logged in as admin, delete all of the non-locked files from my system drive. Is this the fault of the OS, or does the failure lie with the user? The point of this rambling? I take offense to some of the comments, frankly. The daemonites have always been willing to help out. They've been working extremely hard this past year, to the point where we're seeing two full releases inside the same year. Features such as Formtools (let's you add custom content without having to add edit handlers), improved caching of objects, new workflow states, flex admin components, an upgraded security, and a slew of others have been added. But it still all boils down edification. And that's part of their bread and butter. Would you have that taken way from them? It's free software, to be sure, but very few people in the community actually work on the software. But, this is my opinion, take it as you will. I just don't feel you're statements really reflect fairly on those involved. Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:295394 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF-based CMS?
Dale Fraser wrote: >> I was at a talk recently and Geoff mentioned that they just released a new > new set of documentation aimed at developers I think. Though I just went to > find it and got lost. I have it. It's barely passable as documentation. It's what I was referring to when I said very little documentation was available. Every time I have a technical question, I have to post it to one of the Farcry lists, and nine times out of ten, IF it gets answered, it's answered by Geoff or one of 2-3 of the truly technical people there. > it is incredibly poorly written and buggy > >> I have found it to be well written and stable. Here's why I call it buggy... first, it lets you do things you shouldn't be able to do -- e.g. delete the entire site tree in the Admin area. If you do this, then attempt to view the site, it throws an error. There are a lot of places where errors get thrown after the user does something they shouldn't do. All of this should be trapped, and a lot of the stuff it's letting you do shouldn't be allowed. >> Indeed it is, and there is a learning curve, but it is very powerful, thus > with power comes a learning curve. I think the learning curve is very steep, and it's made worse by a lack of real documentation. Granted the thing IS free, and I'll admit it's pretty powerful. But at this point, the shortcomings are outweighing it's strengths. Rob ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:295382 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF-based CMS?
At one time, ContentMonger was the most downloaded free CMS on the Adobe developers exchange, and I believe that still is the case. The download is now what was once the full commercial version. Its $99 to license for a commercial site. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Janitor, The Robertson Team mysecretbase.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:295381 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF-based CMS?
Yep thats it Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 27 December 2007 12:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF-based CMS? Is this the one? http://docs.farcrycms.org/display/FCDEV40/Home On Dec 27, 2007 9:55 AM, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are others, > > But let's address your FarCry issues. > > There is little to no documentation available. > > > I was at a talk recently and Geoff mentioned that they just released a new > new set of documentation aimed at developers I think. Though I just went to > find it and got lost. -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:295374 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF-based CMS?
I maintain the CF open-source list which has a number of open source CF CMS systems. It really depends on the scale you are looking to implement. FarCry has a learning curve but is a great solution for an enterprise level CMS (despite the flames you'll catch on this list). However there are a number of other open-source CMS systems. Anyway, check the list here: http://www.remotesynthesis.com/cfopensourcelist/ Also check here for a comparison of some of the available options: http://www.remotesynthesis.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/5/4/OpenSource-Content-Management-in-ColdFusion And here for one more: http://www.remotesynthesis.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/5/9/ByteSpring-CMS-Review Also I would check out Savvy (www.besavvy.com) and Hot Banana. -- Brian Rinaldi blog - http://www.remotesynthesis.com/blog ColdFusion Open Source List- http://www.remotesynthesis.com/cfopensourcelist Boston CFUG - http://www.bostoncfug.org Adobe Community Expert - http://www.adobe.com/communities/experts/members/brian_rinaldi.html ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:295373 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF-based CMS?
Is this the one? http://docs.farcrycms.org/display/FCDEV40/Home On Dec 27, 2007 9:55 AM, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are others, > > But let's address your FarCry issues. > > There is little to no documentation available. > > > I was at a talk recently and Geoff mentioned that they just released a new > new set of documentation aimed at developers I think. Though I just went to > find it and got lost. -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:295372 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF-based CMS?
There are others, But let's address your FarCry issues. There is little to no documentation available. > I was at a talk recently and Geoff mentioned that they just released a new new set of documentation aimed at developers I think. Though I just went to find it and got lost. it is incredibly poorly written and buggy > I have found it to be well written and stable. it is SLOW > I have also found it slow, never looked into it as we didn't need it to be fast, but can take several seconds to save some content, on very fast servers / db etc. and it is confusing > Indeed it is, and there is a learning curve, but it is very powerful, thus with power comes a learning curve. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com -Original Message- From: RobG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 27 December 2007 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF-based CMS? Hi... I'm wondering if somebody has a list of ColdFusion-based content management systems. I need one (free preferably) for a client that needs a CMS-based website. I've been using Farcry for a few months, and frankly, I'm fed up with it. I would rather write my own from scratch than continue to use that piece of festering crap. There is little to no documentation available, it is incredibly poorly written and buggy, it is SLOW, and it is confusing even for a 10+ year CF veteran such as myself. My client is mystified by it and has refused to use it. So.. are there any others out there? I would hate to switch them to php or something else... Thanks! Rob ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:295371 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CF-based CMS?
Hi... I'm wondering if somebody has a list of ColdFusion-based content management systems. I need one (free preferably) for a client that needs a CMS-based website. I've been using Farcry for a few months, and frankly, I'm fed up with it. I would rather write my own from scratch than continue to use that piece of festering crap. There is little to no documentation available, it is incredibly poorly written and buggy, it is SLOW, and it is confusing even for a 10+ year CF veteran such as myself. My client is mystified by it and has refused to use it. So.. are there any others out there? I would hate to switch them to php or something else... Thanks! Rob ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:295370 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS
Neil, Sorry for the slow follow up on this - been traveling. In terms of comparisons of our CMS, I think it compares favorably to the features mentioned in farcry and other posts, including: - workflow - revision history - roles based security - media library management - and a lot more... One exception is a content roll-back feature. That would be relatively easy to add, but we haven't gotten to it yet. In general, our platform really shines for clients who have multiple needs beyond a CMS-only because there are 20+ modules from CMS to events to CRM to email newsletter and more. Also, unlike many open source products, our system doesn't require much technical / config work to get going. The platform tends to be a little less deep in features than pure CMS-only packages although over time we are deepening the functionality. Also, we donate the platform for free to non-profit orgs who are under $500K in yearly budget. So, that's a good way for consultants like those on this lists to generate implementation services work like consulting, training, and setup work. We'd be delighted to show you a demo if you are interested. Best, Nick . .. Nick Gleason | CitySoft, Inc. | http://www.citysoft.com Direct: (617) 899-5395 | Fax: (617) 507-0444 Spend Less >> Do More - Community Enterprise combines great features with an affordable price. . .. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS What would you compare it to in terms of features etc? "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Nick Gleason To: CF-Talk Sent: Sun Sep 17 21:18:29 2006 Subject: RE: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS Pete, Our company (CitySoft - www.citysoft.com) offers a good CF-based, commercial open source CMS as part of a larger enterprise software platform called Community Enterprise. You can see some online presentations here: http://www.citysoft.com/demos If it meets your needs we'd be happy to work with you on price. Best, Nick Gleason . .. ... Nick Gleason | CitySoft, Inc. | http://www.citysoft.com Direct: (617) 899-5395 | Fax: (617) 507-0444 Spend Less >> Do More - Community Enterprise combines great features with an affordable price. . .. ... -Original Message- From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS My primary client at work is a large and very well known graduate business school. My predecessor built a home-grown content management tool that is very incomplete (buggy, no workflow, no security (role-based or otherwise, apart from a rudimentary login), no versioning, no publication rules, etc.). As we enter phase 2 with the project, it is starting to look like a money pit for the client, and an ongoing maintenance and development headache for me (and my employer). It is my feeling that we are not so far into the project that converting over to a commercial or open source CF-based (CFMX 7) content management system might be a better option than trying to apply band-aids until the existing system does what we need it to do. Retrofitting workflow, versioning, publicaiton rules, and a good security scheme would be painful and expensive. So, I'm looking at what other options exist. I took a look at CommonSpot's web site, and it seems to offer most if not all of what we need, but at $20k. I looked at the FarCry CMS web site, and it looks OK, but there's no indication of whether the advanced functionality that I need for the site is part of the app. And, of course, there's the Community Source version of Spectra, but having been responsible for building, deploying, and maintaini
Re: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS
On 9/18/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it rollback or promote versioning? I suspect it is "promote versioning" -- in that when you "roll back" it simply "promotes" the older version to be the new live object and automatically archives the current live object. The history of the object is preserved. But that's my guess at what you mean -- in the CMS world every man and his goat has their own glossary of terms. > I like FarCry, always have done but it does require a lot of tinkering code > wide to get it working. It is one of the best ColdFusion CMS apps in the > market (way better than CommonSpot, which is one of the so called market > leaders). FarCry can be light on features compared to other tools, but that > is the price of flexibility. It also does not have a publishing model built > in as far as I know which can be a problem for some. One of the advantages for those of us who like to "tinker" is that the code base improves the way we want it to. Point in fact FarCry 4.0 is due to go into beta early next week. re: "light on features" -- I beg to differ on this but there's no point boring people here with a CMS shoot out. re: "publishing model" -- I assume you mean to flat HTML? I'm not sure I understand why anyone would be in a screaming hurry to buy into an expensive "publishing model" when you can implement robust solutions like HTTRACK [1] and reverse proxies like SQUID [2] to provide convenient flat HTML equivalents of dynamically served sites. [1]: http://www.httrack.com/ [2]: http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/ReverseProxy > When we chose our system, we did not limit ourself to just ColdFusion, it > would be stupid to, we looked at many, including Vignette. We chose a system > with the greatest toolset. Sure it was expensive and it has it's quirks :-) > we can happily use ColdFusion, Java, .NET inside the CMS. > > If you can afford it, do your research and don't just look at ColdFusion > apps. It took is nearly a year to evaluate products. What a crazy old world we live in... -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253408 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS
Is it rollback or promote versioning? I like FarCry, always have done but it does require a lot of tinkering code wide to get it working. It is one of the best ColdFusion CMS apps in the market (way better than CommonSpot, which is one of the so called market leaders). FarCry can be light on features compared to other tools, but that is the price of flexibility. It also does not have a publishing model built in as far as I know which can be a problem for some. When we chose our system, we did not limit ourself to just ColdFusion, it would be stupid to, we looked at many, including Vignette. We chose a system with the greatest toolset. Sure it was expensive and it has it's quirks :-) we can happily use ColdFusion, Java, .NET inside the CMS. If you can afford it, do your research and don't just look at ColdFusion apps. It took is nearly a year to evaluate products. "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Geoff Bowers To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon Sep 18 00:53:05 2006 Subject: Re: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS James, On 9/18/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Geoff, while we've got you in this thread, does FarCry offer a full > history of every change to a page (i.e. is is possible to be able to > say exactly what was displayed publicly in a page at any given time, > along with who made it look that way)? If so, can the rollback go back > to every version of the page in the history? Versioning can be turned on/off for any specific content type -- so has to be turned on for the specific content type in question. Out of the box, all relevant content types have versioning turned on. Editing a live content item creates an underlying DRAFT content item. When this is approved, the current live content item database record is archived. This archive is permanent by default, although many folks set a maintenance task to wipe archives older than a certain date. The limit is really a question of database size - these days that's pretty much as many as you like. There is an option to archive associated media assets such as images and files. These are copied to a specific archive location outside of the web root. Rollback is based on the record only. Most of the time this is all you need. However, if you have changed or deleted the associated content templates (display methods) the restore will show the current look and feel or only show a dump of the record in question respectively. System wide attributes for content include createdby, lastupdatedby and owner fields. Plus there is an audit trail for all activities which you can report against. Hope that helps, -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253400 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS
On 9/18/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks, that's the sort of info we're after. As a University we are > bound by the State Records Act and because of this we must be able to > show / reconstruct exactly what a visitor saw on our site at any given > time. It sounds like everything necessary to do that is available in > FarCry. The technique used (creating a draft item etc) is exactly how > I handle it in the mini-cms I wrote a while ago. It may be of some interest that a host of CF based Universities run FarCry as their preferred CMS. To name but a few: http://www.whitman.edu/ http://www.aftrs.edu.au/ http://www.mbs.edu/ http://www.wit.tafensw.edu.au/ http://jd.law.unimelb.edu.au/ http://undergraduate.law.unimelb.edu.au/ http://graduate.law.unimelb.edu.au/ http://www.law.unimelb.edu.au/ http://www.mgsm.edu.au/ http://arc.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ http://uteach.utexas.edu/ http://ci.fsu.edu/ (run out of energy now...) -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253398 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS
Thanks, that's the sort of info we're after. As a University we are bound by the State Records Act and because of this we must be able to show / reconstruct exactly what a visitor saw on our site at any given time. It sounds like everything necessary to do that is available in FarCry. The technique used (creating a draft item etc) is exactly how I handle it in the mini-cms I wrote a while ago. On 9/18/06, Geoff Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James, > > On 9/18/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Geoff, while we've got you in this thread, does FarCry offer a full > > history of every change to a page (i.e. is is possible to be able to > > say exactly what was displayed publicly in a page at any given time, > > along with who made it look that way)? If so, can the rollback go back > > to every version of the page in the history? > > Versioning can be turned on/off for any specific content type -- so > has to be turned on for the specific content type in question. Out of > the box, all relevant content types have versioning turned on... -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253397 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS
James, On 9/18/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Geoff, while we've got you in this thread, does FarCry offer a full > history of every change to a page (i.e. is is possible to be able to > say exactly what was displayed publicly in a page at any given time, > along with who made it look that way)? If so, can the rollback go back > to every version of the page in the history? Versioning can be turned on/off for any specific content type -- so has to be turned on for the specific content type in question. Out of the box, all relevant content types have versioning turned on. Editing a live content item creates an underlying DRAFT content item. When this is approved, the current live content item database record is archived. This archive is permanent by default, although many folks set a maintenance task to wipe archives older than a certain date. The limit is really a question of database size - these days that's pretty much as many as you like. There is an option to archive associated media assets such as images and files. These are copied to a specific archive location outside of the web root. Rollback is based on the record only. Most of the time this is all you need. However, if you have changed or deleted the associated content templates (display methods) the restore will show the current look and feel or only show a dump of the record in question respectively. System wide attributes for content include createdby, lastupdatedby and owner fields. Plus there is an audit trail for all activities which you can report against. Hope that helps, -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253396 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS
-Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS But I do think that you should not be limited to looking at ColdFusion only. We use RedDot CMS as our core engine but also happily develop in ColdFusion alongside (and inside) it. "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Massimo Foti To: CF-Talk Sent: Sun Sep 17 19:57:42 2006 Subject: Re: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS There other alternativies. Commercial: http://www.assetnow.com/ http://www.hotbanana.com/ Free: http://smartcms.tigris.org/ http://www.speckcms.org/ Massimo Foti Tools for ColdFusion and Dreamweaver developers: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253395 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS
Geoff, while we've got you in this thread, does FarCry offer a full history of every change to a page (i.e. is is possible to be able to say exactly what was displayed publicly in a page at any given time, along with who made it look that way)? If so, can the rollback go back to every version of the page in the history? On 9/18/06, Geoff Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think you will find that FarCry CMS offers a host of very advanced > features; for example, services include workflow, versioning and > rollback, roles based security model, containers and publishing rules, > media library management, and very powerful extensibility options. > What you see out of the box from the default installation is only the > tip of the iceberg in terms of functionality. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253394 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS
Pete, On 9/18/06, Pete Ruckelshaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is my feeling that we are not so far into the project that > converting over to a commercial or open source CF-based (CFMX 7) > content management system might be a better option than trying to > apply band-aids until the existing system does what we need it to do. > Retrofitting workflow, versioning, publicaiton rules, and a good > security scheme would be painful and expensive. So, I'm looking at > what other options exist. I took a look at CommonSpot's web site, and > it seems to offer most if not all of what we need, but at $20k. I > looked at the FarCry CMS web site, and it looks OK, but there's no > indication of whether the advanced functionality that I need for the > site is part of the app. I think you will find that FarCry CMS offers a host of very advanced features; for example, services include workflow, versioning and rollback, roles based security model, containers and publishing rules, media library management, and very powerful extensibility options. What you see out of the box from the default installation is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of functionality. You might try the Features and Technical Whitepapers available here as a starter (note these have not been updated to include the latest raft of features in 3.0): http://www.farcrycms.org/go/documentation/ Perhaps the easiest way to showcase the advanced FarCry features is to highlight some of the larger installations. There are complex solutions hosting over 1mil page impressions daily, and/or encompassing in excess of 50,000 content items, plus a horde of smaller installations: Mayo Clinic http://www.mayoclinic.com/ Bluescope Steel http://www.bluescopesteel.com.au/ Taxation Institute of Australia http://www.taxinstitute.com.au/ Lonely Planet Worldguide http://www.lonelyplanet.com/worldguide/ To name a few... > And, of course, there's the Community Source > version of Spectra, but having been responsible for building, > deploying, and maintaining Spectra sites in the past, I'm not sure if > I want to travel down that path again. Spectra Community Source would be a path full of peril. If you are familiar with the concepts in Spectra then many of the conceptual approaches in FarCry are similar; for example, content objects, publishing rules, and so on. However, we approach the whole COAPI in a completely different architectural way which avoids many of the inherent Spectra issues; for example, the database is a straight forward relational model. Plus FarCry is many generations on from where Spectra 1.5 left off. > Of these tools, which offers what I am looking for, and are there > others out there that I should consider? Given the nature of the > client (demanding, deep pockets) and the timeframe involved (they > pretty much always want everything yesterday), I certainly don't want > to move forward with the home-grown solution. Daemon provide a range of commercial support plans for both developer and non-developer teams. Plus we offer instructor based training for both Contributors and Developers in Australia and America. Please feel free to contact me directly for more details. For more FarCry specific testimonials and/or advice you might try the FarCry support forums/mailing list: http://www.farcrycms.org/go/support/community-support Best regards, -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253392 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS
What would you compare it to in terms of features etc? "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Nick Gleason To: CF-Talk Sent: Sun Sep 17 21:18:29 2006 Subject: RE: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS Pete, Our company (CitySoft - www.citysoft.com) offers a good CF-based, commercial open source CMS as part of a larger enterprise software platform called Community Enterprise. You can see some online presentations here: http://www.citysoft.com/demos If it meets your needs we'd be happy to work with you on price. Best, Nick Gleason . .. ... Nick Gleason | CitySoft, Inc. | http://www.citysoft.com Direct: (617) 899-5395 | Fax: (617) 507-0444 Spend Less >> Do More - Community Enterprise combines great features with an affordable price. . .. ... -Original Message- From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS My primary client at work is a large and very well known graduate business school. My predecessor built a home-grown content management tool that is very incomplete (buggy, no workflow, no security (role-based or otherwise, apart from a rudimentary login), no versioning, no publication rules, etc.). As we enter phase 2 with the project, it is starting to look like a money pit for the client, and an ongoing maintenance and development headache for me (and my employer). It is my feeling that we are not so far into the project that converting over to a commercial or open source CF-based (CFMX 7) content management system might be a better option than trying to apply band-aids until the existing system does what we need it to do. Retrofitting workflow, versioning, publicaiton rules, and a good security scheme would be painful and expensive. So, I'm looking at what other options exist. I took a look at CommonSpot's web site, and it seems to offer most if not all of what we need, but at $20k. I looked at the FarCry CMS web site, and it looks OK, but there's no indication of whether the advanced functionality that I need for the site is part of the app. And, of course, there's the Community Source version of Spectra, but having been responsible for building, deploying, and maintaining Spectra sites in the past, I'm not sure if I want to travel down that path again. Of these tools, which offers what I am looking for, and are there others out there that I should consider? Given the nature of the client (demanding, deep pockets) and the timeframe involved (they pretty much always want everything yesterday), I certainly don't want to move forward with the home-grown solution. Thanks Pete ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253391 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS
Pete, Our company (CitySoft - www.citysoft.com) offers a good CF-based, commercial open source CMS as part of a larger enterprise software platform called Community Enterprise. You can see some online presentations here: http://www.citysoft.com/demos If it meets your needs we'd be happy to work with you on price. Best, Nick Gleason . .. Nick Gleason | CitySoft, Inc. | http://www.citysoft.com Direct: (617) 899-5395 | Fax: (617) 507-0444 Spend Less >> Do More - Community Enterprise combines great features with an affordable price. . .. -Original Message- From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS My primary client at work is a large and very well known graduate business school. My predecessor built a home-grown content management tool that is very incomplete (buggy, no workflow, no security (role-based or otherwise, apart from a rudimentary login), no versioning, no publication rules, etc.). As we enter phase 2 with the project, it is starting to look like a money pit for the client, and an ongoing maintenance and development headache for me (and my employer). It is my feeling that we are not so far into the project that converting over to a commercial or open source CF-based (CFMX 7) content management system might be a better option than trying to apply band-aids until the existing system does what we need it to do. Retrofitting workflow, versioning, publicaiton rules, and a good security scheme would be painful and expensive. So, I'm looking at what other options exist. I took a look at CommonSpot's web site, and it seems to offer most if not all of what we need, but at $20k. I looked at the FarCry CMS web site, and it looks OK, but there's no indication of whether the advanced functionality that I need for the site is part of the app. And, of course, there's the Community Source version of Spectra, but having been responsible for building, deploying, and maintaining Spectra sites in the past, I'm not sure if I want to travel down that path again. Of these tools, which offers what I am looking for, and are there others out there that I should consider? Given the nature of the client (demanding, deep pockets) and the timeframe involved (they pretty much always want everything yesterday), I certainly don't want to move forward with the home-grown solution. Thanks Pete ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253387 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS
But I do think that you should not be limited to looking at ColdFusion only. We use RedDot CMS as our core engine but also happily develop in ColdFusion alongside (and inside) it. "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Massimo Foti To: CF-Talk Sent: Sun Sep 17 19:57:42 2006 Subject: Re: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS There other alternativies. Commercial: http://www.assetnow.com/ http://www.hotbanana.com/ Free: http://smartcms.tigris.org/ http://www.speckcms.org/ Massimo Foti Tools for ColdFusion and Dreamweaver developers: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253386 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS
There other alternativies. Commercial: http://www.assetnow.com/ http://www.hotbanana.com/ Free: http://smartcms.tigris.org/ http://www.speckcms.org/ Massimo Foti Tools for ColdFusion and Dreamweaver developers: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253385 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS
I have found that, in the ColdFusion Arena, Hot Banana is a strong app. CommonSpot is crap in comparison to not only other ColdFusion CMS apps I have seen but also the other mid-range apps. "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Snake To: CF-Talk Sent: Sun Sep 17 18:37:14 2006 Subject: RE: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS http://www.pixl8.co.uk/index.cfm/pcms/site.solutions.content_management/ Info on a whole bunch of CMS's, mostly expensive ones. Their own CMS PRESIDE, is based on their experience with with all the others, and considerably cheaper. Some cheap options are Sparkplug Savvy Farcry (FREE) - Russ -Original Message- From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 September 2006 17:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS My primary client at work is a large and very well known graduate business school. My predecessor built a home-grown content management tool that is very incomplete (buggy, no workflow, no security (role-based or otherwise, apart from a rudimentary login), no versioning, no publication rules, etc.). As we enter phase 2 with the project, it is starting to look like a money pit for the client, and an ongoing maintenance and development headache for me (and my employer). It is my feeling that we are not so far into the project that converting over to a commercial or open source CF-based (CFMX 7) content management system might be a better option than trying to apply band-aids until the existing system does what we need it to do. Retrofitting workflow, versioning, publicaiton rules, and a good security scheme would be painful and expensive. So, I'm looking at what other options exist. I took a look at CommonSpot's web site, and it seems to offer most if not all of what we need, but at $20k. I looked at the FarCry CMS web site, and it looks OK, but there's no indication of whether the advanced functionality that I need for the site is part of the app. And, of course, there's the Community Source version of Spectra, but having been responsible for building, deploying, and maintaining Spectra sites in the past, I'm not sure if I want to travel down that path again. Of these tools, which offers what I am looking for, and are there others out there that I should consider? Given the nature of the client (demanding, deep pockets) and the timeframe involved (they pretty much always want everything yesterday), I certainly don't want to move forward with the home-grown solution. Thanks Pete ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253384 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS
http://www.pixl8.co.uk/index.cfm/pcms/site.solutions.content_management/ Info on a whole bunch of CMS's, mostly expensive ones. Their own CMS PRESIDE, is based on their experience with with all the others, and considerably cheaper. Some cheap options are Sparkplug Savvy Farcry (FREE) - Russ -Original Message- From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 September 2006 17:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS My primary client at work is a large and very well known graduate business school. My predecessor built a home-grown content management tool that is very incomplete (buggy, no workflow, no security (role-based or otherwise, apart from a rudimentary login), no versioning, no publication rules, etc.). As we enter phase 2 with the project, it is starting to look like a money pit for the client, and an ongoing maintenance and development headache for me (and my employer). It is my feeling that we are not so far into the project that converting over to a commercial or open source CF-based (CFMX 7) content management system might be a better option than trying to apply band-aids until the existing system does what we need it to do. Retrofitting workflow, versioning, publicaiton rules, and a good security scheme would be painful and expensive. So, I'm looking at what other options exist. I took a look at CommonSpot's web site, and it seems to offer most if not all of what we need, but at $20k. I looked at the FarCry CMS web site, and it looks OK, but there's no indication of whether the advanced functionality that I need for the site is part of the app. And, of course, there's the Community Source version of Spectra, but having been responsible for building, deploying, and maintaining Spectra sites in the past, I'm not sure if I want to travel down that path again. Of these tools, which offers what I am looking for, and are there others out there that I should consider? Given the nature of the client (demanding, deep pockets) and the timeframe involved (they pretty much always want everything yesterday), I certainly don't want to move forward with the home-grown solution. Thanks Pete ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253382 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Commercial/Open Source CF based CMS
My primary client at work is a large and very well known graduate business school. My predecessor built a home-grown content management tool that is very incomplete (buggy, no workflow, no security (role-based or otherwise, apart from a rudimentary login), no versioning, no publication rules, etc.). As we enter phase 2 with the project, it is starting to look like a money pit for the client, and an ongoing maintenance and development headache for me (and my employer). It is my feeling that we are not so far into the project that converting over to a commercial or open source CF-based (CFMX 7) content management system might be a better option than trying to apply band-aids until the existing system does what we need it to do. Retrofitting workflow, versioning, publicaiton rules, and a good security scheme would be painful and expensive. So, I'm looking at what other options exist. I took a look at CommonSpot's web site, and it seems to offer most if not all of what we need, but at $20k. I looked at the FarCry CMS web site, and it looks OK, but there's no indication of whether the advanced functionality that I need for the site is part of the app. And, of course, there's the Community Source version of Spectra, but having been responsible for building, deploying, and maintaining Spectra sites in the past, I'm not sure if I want to travel down that path again. Of these tools, which offers what I am looking for, and are there others out there that I should consider? Given the nature of the client (demanding, deep pockets) and the timeframe involved (they pretty much always want everything yesterday), I certainly don't want to move forward with the home-grown solution. Thanks Pete ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253373 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
