Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-09 Thread Brian Polackoff

So how did your first day go? Any load issues with the setup the good folks on 
this recommended?

Brian Polackoff

On May 8, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Kym Kovan dev-li...@mbcomms.net.au wrote:

 
 On 8/05/2011 10:58 PM, Robert Rhodes wrote:
 
 I installed Win2K8 on one of the servers last night, and discovered there is
 actually 6GB of memory in them.  I had forgotten that I had to install the
 RAM sticks in threes on these servers.  Just sitting there idling, it's got
 340mb cached, 5451mb available, and 5133mb free.
 
 6GB, that's a nice number. Set the JVM max to 3GB, max perm to 512 and 
 let it take traffic. If all is good the OS will bump up to about 1GB and 
 the cache the same leaving a smidge of fully free mem.
 
 If you have a server monitor of some form you can then balance as needed.
 
 
 -- 
 
 Yours,
 
 Kym Kovan
 mbcomms.net.au
 
 
 
 

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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-09 Thread Robert Rhodes

I talked them into a few more days.  Currently we are aiming for Friday.
Phew!

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Brian Polackoff bpolack...@gmx.com wrote:


 So how did your first day go? Any load issues with the setup the good folks
 on this recommended?

 Brian Polackoff

 On May 8, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Kym Kovan dev-li...@mbcomms.net.au wrote:

 
  On 8/05/2011 10:58 PM, Robert Rhodes wrote:
 
  I installed Win2K8 on one of the servers last night, and discovered
 there is
  actually 6GB of memory in them.  I had forgotten that I had to install
 the
  RAM sticks in threes on these servers.  Just sitting there idling, it's
 got
  340mb cached, 5451mb available, and 5133mb free.
 
  6GB, that's a nice number. Set the JVM max to 3GB, max perm to 512 and
  let it take traffic. If all is good the OS will bump up to about 1GB and
  the cache the same leaving a smidge of fully free mem.
 
  If you have a server monitor of some form you can then balance as needed.
 
 
  --
 
  Yours,
 
  Kym Kovan
  mbcomms.net.au
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-08 Thread Russ Michaels

Your proposed setup seems fine, sure it could be better, but it should
suffice to get you up and running and many peeps run on such a setup
permanently.
On 8 May 2011 03:11, Kym Kovan dev-li...@mbcomms.net.au wrote:

 On 8/05/2011 9:29 AM, Robert Rhodes wrote:

 It looks like I will be x64 on Win2K8R2 for two of these boxes which will
 have only 4gb on memory, at least for now.

 With that in mind... can I up my jvm settings a bit?


 In a prod environment the OS will run about 1GB mem usage and 2K8 has
 this extra mem allocation caching trick which is really useful on hard
 working machines but you cannot allow much for that with only 4GB RAM.
 I'd say set the JVM for 2.5GB and 512 Perm and see how it flows (Look at
 mem usage in the Resource Monitor which you find in the Task Manager, if
 there is just a tad of Really Free Mem then you are fine.)



 --

 Yours,

 Kym Kovan
 mbcomms.net.au



 

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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-08 Thread Robert Rhodes

I installed Win2K8 on one of the servers last night, and discovered there is
actually 6GB of memory in them.  I had forgotten that I had to install the
RAM sticks in threes on these servers.  Just sitting there idling, it's got
340mb cached, 5451mb available, and 5133mb free.

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Kym Kovan dev-li...@mbcomms.net.au wrote:


 On 8/05/2011 9:29 AM, Robert Rhodes wrote:
 
  It looks like I will be x64 on Win2K8R2 for two of these boxes which will
  have only 4gb on memory, at least for now.
 
  With that in mind... can I up my jvm settings a bit?


 In a prod environment the OS will run about 1GB mem usage and 2K8 has
 this extra mem allocation caching trick which is really useful on hard
 working machines but you cannot allow much for that with only 4GB RAM.
 I'd say set the JVM for 2.5GB and 512 Perm and see how it flows (Look at
 mem usage in the Resource Monitor which you find in the Task Manager, if
 there is just a tad of Really Free Mem then you are fine.)



 --

 Yours,

 Kym Kovan
 mbcomms.net.au



 

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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-08 Thread Kym Kovan

On 8/05/2011 10:58 PM, Robert Rhodes wrote:

 I installed Win2K8 on one of the servers last night, and discovered there is
 actually 6GB of memory in them.  I had forgotten that I had to install the
 RAM sticks in threes on these servers.  Just sitting there idling, it's got
 340mb cached, 5451mb available, and 5133mb free.

6GB, that's a nice number. Set the JVM max to 3GB, max perm to 512 and 
let it take traffic. If all is good the OS will bump up to about 1GB and 
the cache the same leaving a smidge of fully free mem.

If you have a server monitor of some form you can then balance as needed.


-- 

Yours,

Kym Kovan
mbcomms.net.au



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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-07 Thread Kym Kovan

On 7/05/2011 15:35, Maureen wrote:

 Perhaps you are right about 2K8 being faster and better, but changing
 from an OS you know to one you don't know with a launch commitment a
 week away doesn't seem like a very good idea to me.

it isn't and I was recommending that, just commenting on a comment, I 
hope I didn't mislead :-)

It is already the weekend here in Oz so I also assumed that the sites 
have to be up in 2 days, not 9, hence my suggetion for settings for a 32 
bit 2K3 JVM. To the OP: Go with what you have got.


-- 
Yours,

Kym Kovan
mbcomms.net.au



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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-07 Thread Wil Genovese

Rob,

I've written a few blog posts on the settings in the JVM and provide some very 
loose guidelines as to what to tune and set.  Each server and application is 
unique and usually requires additional tuning beyond what the posts walk you 
through, but these will give you a good starting point and basic understanding.

http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/JVM-Tuning



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Systems Administrator
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On May 6, 2011, at 8:57 PM, Rob Rhodes wrote:

 
 Hello.
 
 I have been a lurker on this board for a while, and never thought I was 
 qualified enough to offer opinions.  Well, that has not changed. 
 
 But now I could really use some advice on how to gear up quickly to handle a 
 ton of traffic on a cf9 site.  
 
 I can't really go into the details, but I have just inherited a cf9/SQL 
 server site that gets well over a million page views per day.  It was 
 previously running on multiple servers using shared array.
 
 It's an impossible task, but I have to have this up and running this weekend. 
  So, I don't have any time or money for complex solutions.  I just need to 
 this all to stay up long enough to figure out a proper plan.
 
 Until then, here is my working plan.  Please tell me what you think.
 
 I have 4 cf9 standard licences, and four servers running win2k3 x86 (fairly 
 fast processors and 4gb ram each). I have a fifth win2k3 server x64 running 
 SQL Server 2005.  These servetrs are recent installs and do not have any 
 other sites on them.
 
 My plan is to load the site on all four servers, all pointing to the same 
 database server (it appears much of the queries in the site are cached)
 
 I would then set up round-robin DNS to do the poor-mans load distribution.
 
 Most importantly I am hoping some of the gurus here might have some jvm 
 tuning suggestions to help handle the load.
 
 Ok let me have it.  Is there any hope, or am I just hopelessly screwed?
 
 Rob
 
 
 

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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-07 Thread Robert Rhodes

uh flak below should read folks.

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Robert Rhodes rrhode...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well you folks certainly have me thinking.  I could set up one of the
 machine as a Win2K8 server and see how it does.  If it's humming along just
 fine, then I can steer more traffic to it.

 With the speed increase you flak are talking about here, do you think a
 million page loads per day can be handled by one Win2K8 server? (with a
 backup in place of course)

 I understand the basics about how to set up a site in 2K8, but what about
 lockdown?  Can anyone point me to a guide somewhere?

 The servers are behind a firewall with only port 443 and port 80 open.
 Nothing else.



 On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote:


 Yeah it does take a little getting used to the new UI changes, but the
 functionality and operations are still the same.


 Regards,
 Andrew Scott
 http://www.andyscott.id.au/



  -Original Message-
  From: Kym Kovan [mailto:dev-li...@mbcomms.net.au]
  Sent: Saturday, 7 May 2011 1:46 PM
  To: cf-talk
  Subject: Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!
 
 
  We found 2K8 R2 so good that we are now trashing our oldest machines and
  moving to 2K8 wherever possible, the advantage is so great and it is not
  quirky, it is much easier than 2K3 once you get used to the new IIS,
 etc.
 
  I'd even stick my head out and say 2K8 R2 is a good operating system...
 
 


 

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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-07 Thread Robert Rhodes

Well you folks certainly have me thinking.  I could set up one of the
machine as a Win2K8 server and see how it does.  If it's humming along just
fine, then I can steer more traffic to it.

With the speed increase you flak are talking about here, do you think a
million page loads per day can be handled by one Win2K8 server? (with a
backup in place of course)

I understand the basics about how to set up a site in 2K8, but what about
lockdown?  Can anyone point me to a guide somewhere?

The servers are behind a firewall with only port 443 and port 80 open.
Nothing else.


On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote:


 Yeah it does take a little getting used to the new UI changes, but the
 functionality and operations are still the same.


 Regards,
 Andrew Scott
 http://www.andyscott.id.au/



  -Original Message-
  From: Kym Kovan [mailto:dev-li...@mbcomms.net.au]
  Sent: Saturday, 7 May 2011 1:46 PM
  To: cf-talk
  Subject: Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!
 
 
  We found 2K8 R2 so good that we are now trashing our oldest machines and
  moving to 2K8 wherever possible, the advantage is so great and it is not
  quirky, it is much easier than 2K3 once you get used to the new IIS, etc.
 
  I'd even stick my head out and say 2K8 R2 is a good operating system...
 
 


 

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RE: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-07 Thread Russ Michaels

Here you go
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=windows+2008+lockdown

If you get 1 million hits per day and you should really do some load testing
as that is the only way will tell what it can handle, it is going to be more
about what CF can handle rather than windows 2008.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Rhodes [mailto:rrhode...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 07 May 2011 14:44
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!


Well you folks certainly have me thinking.  I could set up one of the
machine as a Win2K8 server and see how it does.  If it's humming along just
fine, then I can steer more traffic to it.

With the speed increase you flak are talking about here, do you think a
million page loads per day can be handled by one Win2K8 server? (with a
backup in place of course)

I understand the basics about how to set up a site in 2K8, but what about
lockdown?  Can anyone point me to a guide somewhere?

The servers are behind a firewall with only port 443 and port 80 open.
Nothing else.


On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote:


 Yeah it does take a little getting used to the new UI changes, but the 
 functionality and operations are still the same.


 Regards,
 Andrew Scott
 http://www.andyscott.id.au/



  -Original Message-
  From: Kym Kovan [mailto:dev-li...@mbcomms.net.au]
  Sent: Saturday, 7 May 2011 1:46 PM
  To: cf-talk
  Subject: Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!
 
 
  We found 2K8 R2 so good that we are now trashing our oldest machines 
  and moving to 2K8 wherever possible, the advantage is so great and 
  it is not quirky, it is much easier than 2K3 once you get used to the
new IIS, etc.
 
  I'd even stick my head out and say 2K8 R2 is a good operating system...
 
 


 



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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-07 Thread Cameron Childress

In addition to other comments, it might be worth spending a minute
reading up on Squid:

http://www.squid-cache.org/

Caching some or all of the site could mean you can do the entire thing
with just 2 CF machines.  In my experience, the bottleneck for Squid
is not the OS or Squid itself, but the capacity of the network cards
in the machine.  It can handle ALOT of traffic.  The learning curve
required to implement this may or may not be within your time window.

-Cameron

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Rob Rhodes rrhode...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello.

 I have been a lurker on this board for a while, and never thought I was 
 qualified enough to offer opinions.  Well, that has not changed.

 But now I could really use some advice on how to gear up quickly to handle a 
 ton of traffic on a cf9 site.

 I can't really go into the details, but I have just inherited a cf9/SQL 
 server site that gets well over a million page views per day.  It was 
 previously running on multiple servers using shared array.

 It's an impossible task, but I have to have this up and running this weekend. 
  So, I don't have any time or money for complex solutions.  I just need to 
 this all to stay up long enough to figure out a proper plan.

 Until then, here is my working plan.  Please tell me what you think.

 I have 4 cf9 standard licences, and four servers running win2k3 x86 (fairly 
 fast processors and 4gb ram each). I have a fifth win2k3 server x64 running 
 SQL Server 2005.  These servetrs are recent installs and do not have any 
 other sites on them.

 My plan is to load the site on all four servers, all pointing to the same 
 database server (it appears much of the queries in the site are cached)

 I would then set up round-robin DNS to do the poor-mans load distribution.

 Most importantly I am hoping some of the gurus here might have some jvm 
 tuning suggestions to help handle the load.

 Ok let me have it.  Is there any hope, or am I just hopelessly screwed?


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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-07 Thread Robert Rhodes

Thanks. I'll look into that.  Being a Windows guy, I am not sure how well
Squid and I would get along. :)

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote:


 In addition to other comments, it might be worth spending a minute
 reading up on Squid:

 http://www.squid-cache.org/

 Caching some or all of the site could mean you can do the entire thing
 with just 2 CF machines.  In my experience, the bottleneck for Squid
 is not the OS or Squid itself, but the capacity of the network cards
 in the machine.  It can handle ALOT of traffic.  The learning curve
 required to implement this may or may not be within your time window.

 -Cameron

 On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Rob Rhodes rrhode...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hello.
 
  I have been a lurker on this board for a while, and never thought I was
 qualified enough to offer opinions.  Well, that has not changed.
 
  But now I could really use some advice on how to gear up quickly to
 handle a ton of traffic on a cf9 site.
 
  I can't really go into the details, but I have just inherited a cf9/SQL
 server site that gets well over a million page views per day.  It was
 previously running on multiple servers using shared array.
 
  It's an impossible task, but I have to have this up and running this
 weekend.  So, I don't have any time or money for complex solutions.  I just
 need to this all to stay up long enough to figure out a proper plan.
 
  Until then, here is my working plan.  Please tell me what you think.
 
  I have 4 cf9 standard licences, and four servers running win2k3 x86
 (fairly fast processors and 4gb ram each). I have a fifth win2k3 server x64
 running SQL Server 2005.  These servetrs are recent installs and do not have
 any other sites on them.
 
  My plan is to load the site on all four servers, all pointing to the same
 database server (it appears much of the queries in the site are cached)
 
  I would then set up round-robin DNS to do the poor-mans load
 distribution.
 
  Most importantly I am hoping some of the gurus here might have some jvm
 tuning suggestions to help handle the load.
 
  Ok let me have it.  Is there any hope, or am I just hopelessly screwed?
 

 

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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-07 Thread Wil Genovese

Robert,  1 million hits a day on a single CF8 or CF9 box of sufficient hardware 
is fairly easy to handle.  I would want some more redundancy. Having a hot fail 
over for the CF box and the SQL server would be a good idea.  




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On May 7, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Robert Rhodes wrote:

 
 Thanks. I'll look into that.  Being a Windows guy, I am not sure how well
 Squid and I would get along. :)
 
 On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 
 In addition to other comments, it might be worth spending a minute
 reading up on Squid:
 
 http://www.squid-cache.org/
 
 Caching some or all of the site could mean you can do the entire thing
 with just 2 CF machines.  In my experience, the bottleneck for Squid
 is not the OS or Squid itself, but the capacity of the network cards
 in the machine.  It can handle ALOT of traffic.  The learning curve
 required to implement this may or may not be within your time window.
 
 -Cameron
 
 On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Rob Rhodes rrhode...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello.
 
 I have been a lurker on this board for a while, and never thought I was
 qualified enough to offer opinions.  Well, that has not changed.
 
 But now I could really use some advice on how to gear up quickly to
 handle a ton of traffic on a cf9 site.
 
 I can't really go into the details, but I have just inherited a cf9/SQL
 server site that gets well over a million page views per day.  It was
 previously running on multiple servers using shared array.
 
 It's an impossible task, but I have to have this up and running this
 weekend.  So, I don't have any time or money for complex solutions.  I just
 need to this all to stay up long enough to figure out a proper plan.
 
 Until then, here is my working plan.  Please tell me what you think.
 
 I have 4 cf9 standard licences, and four servers running win2k3 x86
 (fairly fast processors and 4gb ram each). I have a fifth win2k3 server x64
 running SQL Server 2005.  These servetrs are recent installs and do not have
 any other sites on them.
 
 My plan is to load the site on all four servers, all pointing to the same
 database server (it appears much of the queries in the site are cached)
 
 I would then set up round-robin DNS to do the poor-mans load
 distribution.
 
 Most importantly I am hoping some of the gurus here might have some jvm
 tuning suggestions to help handle the load.
 
 Ok let me have it.  Is there any hope, or am I just hopelessly screwed?
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-07 Thread Robert Rhodes

Well, I am thinking I will try one or two win2K8 servers.  Unfortunately, I
can't order any licenses until Monday.  And by then it will be too late.

Does anyone know if the evaluation version of Win2K* R2 in MS TechNet will
work temporarily as web server in evaluation mode (no license applied)?
That is: will a W2K* R2 server in evaluation mode allow all these
connections?

I know we are suopposed to use them in production, but I really would order
the licenses before I installed them and would apply the licenses on those
servers as soon as they came in.

I am hoping it is a minor sin. :)


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RE: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-07 Thread Mark A. Kruger

Robert,

Get a fairly standard set of JVM args and duplicate them on all 4. Since
you are running 32bit you will be limited to a 1.3 gig heap size (max 1280m
would be a good starting space with a 256 meg perm size). Since you don't
have time to do anything else I'd say go for it and see what happens. The
only thing that worries me is sessions... are you confident that your round
robin scheme will work and there's no problem with user information
(sessions) crossing from one to the other... or not crossing as the case may
be :)

-mark


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(402) 408-3733 ext 105
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www.coldfusionmuse.com
www.necfug.com


-Original Message-
From: Robert Rhodes [mailto:rrhode...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 4:45 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!


Thanks. I'll look into that.  Being a Windows guy, I am not sure how well
Squid and I would get along. :)

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote:


 In addition to other comments, it might be worth spending a minute
 reading up on Squid:

 http://www.squid-cache.org/

 Caching some or all of the site could mean you can do the entire thing
 with just 2 CF machines.  In my experience, the bottleneck for Squid
 is not the OS or Squid itself, but the capacity of the network cards
 in the machine.  It can handle ALOT of traffic.  The learning curve
 required to implement this may or may not be within your time window.

 -Cameron

 On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Rob Rhodes rrhode...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hello.
 
  I have been a lurker on this board for a while, and never thought I was
 qualified enough to offer opinions.  Well, that has not changed.
 
  But now I could really use some advice on how to gear up quickly to
 handle a ton of traffic on a cf9 site.
 
  I can't really go into the details, but I have just inherited a cf9/SQL
 server site that gets well over a million page views per day.  It was
 previously running on multiple servers using shared array.
 
  It's an impossible task, but I have to have this up and running this
 weekend.  So, I don't have any time or money for complex solutions.  I
just
 need to this all to stay up long enough to figure out a proper plan.
 
  Until then, here is my working plan.  Please tell me what you think.
 
  I have 4 cf9 standard licences, and four servers running win2k3 x86
 (fairly fast processors and 4gb ram each). I have a fifth win2k3 server
x64
 running SQL Server 2005.  These servetrs are recent installs and do not
have
 any other sites on them.
 
  My plan is to load the site on all four servers, all pointing to the
same
 database server (it appears much of the queries in the site are cached)
 
  I would then set up round-robin DNS to do the poor-mans load
 distribution.
 
  Most importantly I am hoping some of the gurus here might have some jvm
 tuning suggestions to help handle the load.
 
  Ok let me have it.  Is there any hope, or am I just hopelessly screwed?
 

 



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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-07 Thread Mark Drew

Another option (and I hope people don't flame me for this) is to set up a Railo 
server somewhere there, or at least a few instances on a box, then you can 
handle a lot of traffic with a smaller memory footprint. 

Just a thought. 

Regards

Mark Drew

On 7 May 2011, at 17:44, Robert Rhodes wrote:

 
 Thanks. I'll look into that.  Being a Windows guy, I am not sure how well
 Squid and I would get along. :)
 
 On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 
 In addition to other comments, it might be worth spending a minute
 reading up on Squid:
 
 http://www.squid-cache.org/
 
 Caching some or all of the site could mean you can do the entire thing
 with just 2 CF machines.  In my experience, the bottleneck for Squid
 is not the OS or Squid itself, but the capacity of the network cards
 in the machine.  It can handle ALOT of traffic.  The learning curve
 required to implement this may or may not be within your time window.
 
 -Cameron
 
 On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Rob Rhodes rrhode...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello.
 
 I have been a lurker on this board for a while, and never thought I was
 qualified enough to offer opinions.  Well, that has not changed.
 
 But now I could really use some advice on how to gear up quickly to
 handle a ton of traffic on a cf9 site.
 
 I can't really go into the details, but I have just inherited a cf9/SQL
 server site that gets well over a million page views per day.  It was
 previously running on multiple servers using shared array.
 
 It's an impossible task, but I have to have this up and running this
 weekend.  So, I don't have any time or money for complex solutions.  I just
 need to this all to stay up long enough to figure out a proper plan.
 
 Until then, here is my working plan.  Please tell me what you think.
 
 I have 4 cf9 standard licences, and four servers running win2k3 x86
 (fairly fast processors and 4gb ram each). I have a fifth win2k3 server x64
 running SQL Server 2005.  These servetrs are recent installs and do not have
 any other sites on them.
 
 My plan is to load the site on all four servers, all pointing to the same
 database server (it appears much of the queries in the site are cached)
 
 I would then set up round-robin DNS to do the poor-mans load
 distribution.
 
 Most importantly I am hoping some of the gurus here might have some jvm
 tuning suggestions to help handle the load.
 
 Ok let me have it.  Is there any hope, or am I just hopelessly screwed?
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-07 Thread Robert Rhodes

It looks like I will be x64 on Win2K8R2 for two of these boxes which will
have only 4gb on memory, at least for now.

With that in mind... can I up my jvm settings a bit?

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Mark A. Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.comwrote:


 Robert,

 Get a fairly standard set of JVM args and duplicate them on all 4. Since
 you are running 32bit you will be limited to a 1.3 gig heap size (max 1280m
 would be a good starting space with a 256 meg perm size). Since you don't
 have time to do anything else I'd say go for it and see what happens. The
 only thing that worries me is sessions... are you confident that your round
 robin scheme will work and there's no problem with user information
 (sessions) crossing from one to the other... or not crossing as the case
 may
 be :)

 -mark


 Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG
 (402) 408-3733 ext 105
 www.cfwebtools.com
 www.coldfusionmuse.com
 www.necfug.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Rhodes [mailto:rrhode...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 4:45 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!


 Thanks. I'll look into that.  Being a Windows guy, I am not sure how well
 Squid and I would get along. :)

 On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  In addition to other comments, it might be worth spending a minute
  reading up on Squid:
 
  http://www.squid-cache.org/
 
  Caching some or all of the site could mean you can do the entire thing
  with just 2 CF machines.  In my experience, the bottleneck for Squid
  is not the OS or Squid itself, but the capacity of the network cards
  in the machine.  It can handle ALOT of traffic.  The learning curve
  required to implement this may or may not be within your time window.
 
  -Cameron
 
  On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Rob Rhodes rrhode...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Hello.
  
   I have been a lurker on this board for a while, and never thought I was
  qualified enough to offer opinions.  Well, that has not changed.
  
   But now I could really use some advice on how to gear up quickly to
  handle a ton of traffic on a cf9 site.
  
   I can't really go into the details, but I have just inherited a cf9/SQL
  server site that gets well over a million page views per day.  It was
  previously running on multiple servers using shared array.
  
   It's an impossible task, but I have to have this up and running this
  weekend.  So, I don't have any time or money for complex solutions.  I
 just
  need to this all to stay up long enough to figure out a proper plan.
  
   Until then, here is my working plan.  Please tell me what you think.
  
   I have 4 cf9 standard licences, and four servers running win2k3 x86
  (fairly fast processors and 4gb ram each). I have a fifth win2k3 server
 x64
  running SQL Server 2005.  These servetrs are recent installs and do not
 have
  any other sites on them.
  
   My plan is to load the site on all four servers, all pointing to the
 same
  database server (it appears much of the queries in the site are cached)
  
   I would then set up round-robin DNS to do the poor-mans load
  distribution.
  
   Most importantly I am hoping some of the gurus here might have some jvm
  tuning suggestions to help handle the load.
  
   Ok let me have it.  Is there any hope, or am I just hopelessly screwed?
  
 
 



 

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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-07 Thread Kym Kovan

On 8/05/2011 9:29 AM, Robert Rhodes wrote:

 It looks like I will be x64 on Win2K8R2 for two of these boxes which will
 have only 4gb on memory, at least for now.

 With that in mind... can I up my jvm settings a bit?


In a prod environment the OS will run about 1GB mem usage and 2K8 has 
this extra mem allocation caching trick which is really useful on hard 
working machines but you cannot allow much for that with only 4GB RAM. 
I'd say set the JVM for 2.5GB and 512 Perm and see how it flows (Look at 
mem usage in the Resource Monitor which you find in the Task Manager, if 
there is just a tad of Really Free Mem then you are fine.)



-- 

Yours,

Kym Kovan
mbcomms.net.au



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Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-06 Thread Rob Rhodes

Hello.

I have been a lurker on this board for a while, and never thought I was 
qualified enough to offer opinions.  Well, that has not changed. 

But now I could really use some advice on how to gear up quickly to handle a 
ton of traffic on a cf9 site.  

I can't really go into the details, but I have just inherited a cf9/SQL server 
site that gets well over a million page views per day.  It was previously 
running on multiple servers using shared array.

It's an impossible task, but I have to have this up and running this weekend.  
So, I don't have any time or money for complex solutions.  I just need to this 
all to stay up long enough to figure out a proper plan.

Until then, here is my working plan.  Please tell me what you think.

I have 4 cf9 standard licences, and four servers running win2k3 x86 (fairly 
fast processors and 4gb ram each). I have a fifth win2k3 server x64 running SQL 
Server 2005.  These servetrs are recent installs and do not have any other 
sites on them.

My plan is to load the site on all four servers, all pointing to the same 
database server (it appears much of the queries in the site are cached)

I would then set up round-robin DNS to do the poor-mans load distribution.

Most importantly I am hoping some of the gurus here might have some jvm tuning 
suggestions to help handle the load.

Ok let me have it.  Is there any hope, or am I just hopelessly screwed?

Rob


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RE: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-06 Thread Andrew Scott

Curious why you are going with Windows 2003 x86 ( I assume you already have
these licenses) over 2008 R2 x64 the speed difference is humungous.

Also how much of this are you purchasing new as to comparing with what you
already have?

I am wondering whether it might be cheaper to throw more hardware, ram at
the current boxes and Virtual Machine the instances.


Regards,
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http://www.andyscott.id.au/


 -Original Message-
 From: Rob Rhodes [mailto:rrhode...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, 7 May 2011 11:58 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!
 
 
 Hello.
 
 I have been a lurker on this board for a while, and never thought I was
 qualified enough to offer opinions.  Well, that has not changed.
 
 But now I could really use some advice on how to gear up quickly to handle
a
 ton of traffic on a cf9 site.
 
 I can't really go into the details, but I have just inherited a cf9/SQL
server site
 that gets well over a million page views per day.  It was previously
running on
 multiple servers using shared array.
 
 It's an impossible task, but I have to have this up and running this
weekend.
 So, I don't have any time or money for complex solutions.  I just need to
this
 all to stay up long enough to figure out a proper plan.
 
 Until then, here is my working plan.  Please tell me what you think.
 
 I have 4 cf9 standard licences, and four servers running win2k3 x86
(fairly fast
 processors and 4gb ram each). I have a fifth win2k3 server x64 running SQL
 Server 2005.  These servetrs are recent installs and do not have any other
 sites on them.
 
 My plan is to load the site on all four servers, all pointing to the same
 database server (it appears much of the queries in the site are cached)
 
 I would then set up round-robin DNS to do the poor-mans load distribution.
 
 Most importantly I am hoping some of the gurus here might have some jvm
 tuning suggestions to help handle the load.
 
 Ok let me have it.  Is there any hope, or am I just hopelessly screwed?
 
 Rob
 


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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-06 Thread Kym Kovan

On 7/05/2011 11:57, Rob Rhodes wrote:


 I have 4 cf9 standard licences, and four servers running win2k3 x86 (fairly 
 fast processors and 4gb ram each). I have a fifth win2k3 server x64 running 
 SQL Server 2005.  These servetrs are recent installs and do not have any 
 other sites on them.

 My plan is to load the site on all four servers, all pointing to the same 
 database server (it appears much of the queries in the site are cached)

 I would then set up round-robin DNS to do the poor-mans load distribution.

 Most importantly I am hoping some of the gurus here might have some jvm 
 tuning suggestions to help handle the load.


We used to have servers with similar workload to what you describe 
before we went 64bit and virtual for those sites (with a startling 
increase in performance) and found a good base to start from was 1024MB 
max JVM heap size and a MaxPermSize of 256m.

As you are 32bit then the max you can go to with max JVM Heap is about 
1.4GB (theoretically 1.8GB but we never made that work) but be warned, 
_do not_ set the Minimum heap size to the same as the max when you are 
at these higher levels, CF frequently will refuse to start with out of 
memory errors in the output log. We found leaving the JVM min heap at 
256MB gave a fast start and it wound up to the max fast enuf anyway :-)

On some machines, (slightly different site combinations) the MaxPermSize 
ran best at 512MB.

HTH

-- 
Yours,

Kym Kovan
mbcomms.net.au



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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-06 Thread Robert Rhodes

Yes, it's because that's what I have. And honestly, I am only a little
familiar with Win2K8, which seems a bit quirky to me.  And I am worried that
inexperience with it would lead to some problem I could not fix.

I know Win2K3 fairly well. You just set it up and it goes and goes, no
problem.  I am hoping four win2K3s servers in round robin will handle the
load.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote:


 Curious why you are going with Windows 2003 x86 ( I assume you already have
 these licenses) over 2008 R2 x64 the speed difference is humungous.

 Also how much of this are you purchasing new as to comparing with what you
 already have?

 I am wondering whether it might be cheaper to throw more hardware, ram at
 the current boxes and Virtual Machine the instances.


 Regards,
 Andrew Scott
 http://www.andyscott.id.au/


  -Original Message-
  From: Rob Rhodes [mailto:rrhode...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Saturday, 7 May 2011 11:58 AM
  To: cf-talk
  Subject: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!
 
 
  Hello.
 
  I have been a lurker on this board for a while, and never thought I was
  qualified enough to offer opinions.  Well, that has not changed.
 
  But now I could really use some advice on how to gear up quickly to
 handle
 a
  ton of traffic on a cf9 site.
 
  I can't really go into the details, but I have just inherited a cf9/SQL
 server site
  that gets well over a million page views per day.  It was previously
 running on
  multiple servers using shared array.
 
  It's an impossible task, but I have to have this up and running this
 weekend.
  So, I don't have any time or money for complex solutions.  I just need to
 this
  all to stay up long enough to figure out a proper plan.
 
  Until then, here is my working plan.  Please tell me what you think.
 
  I have 4 cf9 standard licences, and four servers running win2k3 x86
 (fairly fast
  processors and 4gb ram each). I have a fifth win2k3 server x64 running
 SQL
  Server 2005.  These servetrs are recent installs and do not have any
 other
  sites on them.
 
  My plan is to load the site on all four servers, all pointing to the same
  database server (it appears much of the queries in the site are cached)
 
  I would then set up round-robin DNS to do the poor-mans load
 distribution.
 
  Most importantly I am hoping some of the gurus here might have some jvm
  tuning suggestions to help handle the load.
 
  Ok let me have it.  Is there any hope, or am I just hopelessly screwed?
 
  Rob
 


 

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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-06 Thread Kym Kovan

We found 2K8 R2 so good that we are now trashing our oldest machines and 
moving to 2K8 wherever possible, the advantage is so great and it is not 
quirky, it is much easier than 2K3 once you get used to the new IIS, etc.

I'd even stick my head out and say 2K8 R2 is a good operating system...



On 7/05/2011 13:38, Robert Rhodes wrote:

 Yes, it's because that's what I have. And honestly, I am only a little
 familiar with Win2K8, which seems a bit quirky to me.  And I am worried that
 inexperience with it would lead to some problem I could not fix.

 I know Win2K3 fairly well. You just set it up and it goes and goes, no
 problem.  I am hoping four win2K3s servers in round robin will handle the
 load.



-- 
Yours,

Kym Kovan
mbcomms.net.au



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RE: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-06 Thread Andrew Scott

Yeah it does take a little getting used to the new UI changes, but the
functionality and operations are still the same.


Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/



 -Original Message-
 From: Kym Kovan [mailto:dev-li...@mbcomms.net.au]
 Sent: Saturday, 7 May 2011 1:46 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!
 
 
 We found 2K8 R2 so good that we are now trashing our oldest machines and
 moving to 2K8 wherever possible, the advantage is so great and it is not
 quirky, it is much easier than 2K3 once you get used to the new IIS, etc.
 
 I'd even stick my head out and say 2K8 R2 is a good operating system...
 
 


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Re: Help! Too much tracffic and too little time!

2011-05-06 Thread Maureen

Perhaps you are right about 2K8 being faster and better, but changing
from an OS you know to one you don't know with a launch commitment a
week away doesn't seem like a very good idea to me.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Kym Kovan dev-li...@mbcomms.net.au wrote:

 We found 2K8 R2 so good that we are now trashing our oldest machines and
 moving to 2K8 wherever possible, the advantage is so great and it is not
 quirky, it is much easier than 2K3 once you get used to the new IIS, etc.

 I'd even stick my head out and say 2K8 R2 is a good operating system...



 On 7/05/2011 13:38, Robert Rhodes wrote:

 Yes, it's because that's what I have. And honestly, I am only a little
 familiar with Win2K8, which seems a bit quirky to me.  And I am worried that
 inexperience with it would lead to some problem I could not fix.

 I know Win2K3 fairly well. You just set it up and it goes and goes, no
 problem.  I am hoping four win2K3s servers in round robin will handle the
 loa

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