RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
> Yeah and at last check, the latest version of the Flash > player for Pocket PC did not support the much needed data > connections. I think it does, although I'm not sure. It is Flash Player 6, and has worked with all the FP6-required stuff I've tried it with so far. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200559 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
> I wish MM would demo some Pocket PC flash apps. I tried to > find something, anything showing that you can truly make a > data enabled Flash app for PPC. There isn't really anything special or different about the process, except that (a) the screen is typically smaller and (b) network connectivity tends to be more intermittent. You may find these URLs interesting (or not - they don't have any Flash Remoting examples). http://www.pocketpcflash.com/ http://www.flashenabled.com/ > Nothing existed a year ago, so I bought a copy of Studio.NET. > Now, just have to have time to learn it. I would strongly recommend this: http://www.paulyao.com/cfbook/index.asp Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200556 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Yeah and at last check, the latest version of the Flash player for Pocket PC did not support the much needed data connections. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > Actually with Flash MX, you can read in the available stage size and > layout > the contents accordingly. Also, its quite easy to detect the screen > resolution in the latest version which makes this even easier. That's all well and fine...but how many mobile devices support Flash MX created SWFs? Aren't most mobile devices cut off around Flash 4 and/or 5? just my 2 cents Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200540 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
I wish MM would demo some Pocket PC flash apps. I tried to find something, anything showing that you can truly make a data enabled Flash app for PPC. Nothing existed a year ago, so I bought a copy of Studio.NET. Now, just have to have time to learn it. -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? Eek, Flashlite is only flash 4, but flashplayer for pocket pc is 6. Anyhow, it somewhat makes no difference. The biggest issue as I mentioned is that not only are alot of developers unaccustom to putting in the extra effort to get the functionality that makes a great rich app. Flash grew almost too fast for it's own good. There are quite a few good rich developers, but far too many learning bad practices. Good catch... =] Kevin ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200545 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Eek, Flashlite is only flash 4, but flashplayer for pocket pc is 6. Anyhow, it somewhat makes no difference. The biggest issue as I mentioned is that not only are alot of developers unaccustom to putting in the extra effort to get the functionality that makes a great rich app. Flash grew almost too fast for it's own good. There are quite a few good rich developers, but far too many learning bad practices. Good catch... =] Kevin -- http://www.keslabs.com Coldfusion Remote Dashboard :: http://www.keslabs.com/crd ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200526 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
> That's all well and fine...but how many mobile devices > support Flash MX created SWFs? Aren't most mobile devices > cut off around Flash 4 and/or 5? I don't know about most devices, but Windows Mobile supports Flash Player 6, and the original poster was asking about Pocket PC devices. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200524 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
> Actually with Flash MX, you can read in the available stage size and > layout > the contents accordingly. Also, its quite easy to detect the screen > resolution in the latest version which makes this even easier. That's all well and fine...but how many mobile devices support Flash MX created SWFs? Aren't most mobile devices cut off around Flash 4 and/or 5? just my 2 cents Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200516 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Actually with Flash MX, you can read in the available stage size and layout the contents accordingly. Also, its quite easy to detect the screen resolution in the latest version which makes this even easier. The biggest problem with Flash is that most developers rarely put in the extra effort to add such features and clients never ask for them for fear that the cost will blow up. Sincerely, Kevin -- http://www.keslabs.com Coldfusion Remote Dashboard :: http://www.keslabs.com/crd -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? I disagree, mobile interfaces require a totally different approach. The chances you have to create two types of interfaces, for mobile use, and for desktop use. The small screen forces you to approach in a different manner. :) From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 3/29/2005 6:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? Just as a sidenote to Dave's post, the abilities of the flash player are also extremely flexible in that you can run the same application from both workstation browser and mobile browser. Also, MM has worked quite hard to push Flashlite to the masses by offering free lightweight components to keep build sizes small and striking deals with many mobile providers. Cheers, Kevin -- http://www.keslabs.com Coldfusion Remote Dashboard :: http://www.keslabs.com/crd -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > Here, we need to consider adding .NET in order to support > apps on Pocket PC. > There are things that just don't require lugging around a > notebook and a full Windows client. Up until now, support of > CFML apps on Pocket PC has been non-existent. I'll never > leave CFM. In what ways can I see gains by using BD.NET over > just using CFM and .NET by themselves? It's worth pointing out that you don't need to use .NET to support Pocket PC. If you're just building web applications, and you assume that your Pocket PC will always be connected to a network when the application is used, you can design an interface that will work well enough within Pocket IE. Also, you can use Flash and Flash Remoting interfaces. If you want to build applications that can work with an intermittent network connection, you can build them with .NET Compact Framework and they can communicate with web services when network connectivity exists. Those web services can be written with CFMX, of course. I'll be doing a presentation at CFUNITED on building .NET Compact Framework applications that leverage CFMX web services. It's worth pointing out that ASP.NET does offer you the ability to use .NET Mobile Controls, which will let you build one (relatively simple and generic) interface which will work with desktop browsers and mobile device browsers, including not only Pocket IE but your typical WAP/WML phone. Personally, I wasn't that impressed with the mobile controls, though - I think that the interfaces differ enough to benefit from separate development in most cases. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200512 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
I disagree, mobile interfaces require a totally different approach. The chances you have to create two types of interfaces, for mobile use, and for desktop use. The small screen forces you to approach in a different manner. :) From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 3/29/2005 6:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? Just as a sidenote to Dave's post, the abilities of the flash player are also extremely flexible in that you can run the same application from both workstation browser and mobile browser. Also, MM has worked quite hard to push Flashlite to the masses by offering free lightweight components to keep build sizes small and striking deals with many mobile providers. Cheers, Kevin -- http://www.keslabs.com Coldfusion Remote Dashboard :: http://www.keslabs.com/crd -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > Here, we need to consider adding .NET in order to support > apps on Pocket PC. > There are things that just don't require lugging around a > notebook and a full Windows client. Up until now, support of > CFML apps on Pocket PC has been non-existent. I'll never > leave CFM. In what ways can I see gains by using BD.NET over > just using CFM and .NET by themselves? It's worth pointing out that you don't need to use .NET to support Pocket PC. If you're just building web applications, and you assume that your Pocket PC will always be connected to a network when the application is used, you can design an interface that will work well enough within Pocket IE. Also, you can use Flash and Flash Remoting interfaces. If you want to build applications that can work with an intermittent network connection, you can build them with .NET Compact Framework and they can communicate with web services when network connectivity exists. Those web services can be written with CFMX, of course. I'll be doing a presentation at CFUNITED on building .NET Compact Framework applications that leverage CFMX web services. It's worth pointing out that ASP.NET does offer you the ability to use .NET Mobile Controls, which will let you build one (relatively simple and generic) interface which will work with desktop browsers and mobile device browsers, including not only Pocket IE but your typical WAP/WML phone. Personally, I wasn't that impressed with the mobile controls, though - I think that the interfaces differ enough to benefit from separate development in most cases. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200507 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Micha Schopman wrote: > If you have basic understanding of OOP and the basics of modifiers, > namespaces, etc. you will be starting quicker with the C# than the > average CF developer. .NET pretty much forces you to think object > oriented. Caveat: Keep in mind the old saying... A FORTRAN programmer can write FORTRAN in any language. Same goes for any language: just because the facilities are there doesn't mean you'll end up writing real OO code. Most of the "OO" code I've seen is just procedural code pretending to be OO. Equally, I've seen some very good use of OOP in languages that don't even support it directly. K. P.S. I'm not a fan of top-posting, but if you're going to, *please* trim your mails down a bit, top-posters! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200478 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Just as a sidenote to Dave's post, the abilities of the flash player are also extremely flexible in that you can run the same application from both workstation browser and mobile browser. Also, MM has worked quite hard to push Flashlite to the masses by offering free lightweight components to keep build sizes small and striking deals with many mobile providers. Cheers, Kevin -- http://www.keslabs.com Coldfusion Remote Dashboard :: http://www.keslabs.com/crd -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > Here, we need to consider adding .NET in order to support > apps on Pocket PC. > There are things that just don't require lugging around a > notebook and a full Windows client. Up until now, support of > CFML apps on Pocket PC has been non-existent. I'll never > leave CFM. In what ways can I see gains by using BD.NET over > just using CFM and .NET by themselves? It's worth pointing out that you don't need to use .NET to support Pocket PC. If you're just building web applications, and you assume that your Pocket PC will always be connected to a network when the application is used, you can design an interface that will work well enough within Pocket IE. Also, you can use Flash and Flash Remoting interfaces. If you want to build applications that can work with an intermittent network connection, you can build them with .NET Compact Framework and they can communicate with web services when network connectivity exists. Those web services can be written with CFMX, of course. I'll be doing a presentation at CFUNITED on building .NET Compact Framework applications that leverage CFMX web services. It's worth pointing out that ASP.NET does offer you the ability to use .NET Mobile Controls, which will let you build one (relatively simple and generic) interface which will work with desktop browsers and mobile device browsers, including not only Pocket IE but your typical WAP/WML phone. Personally, I wasn't that impressed with the mobile controls, though - I think that the interfaces differ enough to benefit from separate development in most cases. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200463 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
> Here, we need to consider adding .NET in order to support > apps on Pocket PC. > There are things that just don't require lugging around a > notebook and a full Windows client. Up until now, support of > CFML apps on Pocket PC has been non-existent. I'll never > leave CFM. In what ways can I see gains by using BD.NET over > just using CFM and .NET by themselves? It's worth pointing out that you don't need to use .NET to support Pocket PC. If you're just building web applications, and you assume that your Pocket PC will always be connected to a network when the application is used, you can design an interface that will work well enough within Pocket IE. Also, you can use Flash and Flash Remoting interfaces. If you want to build applications that can work with an intermittent network connection, you can build them with .NET Compact Framework and they can communicate with web services when network connectivity exists. Those web services can be written with CFMX, of course. I'll be doing a presentation at CFUNITED on building .NET Compact Framework applications that leverage CFMX web services. It's worth pointing out that ASP.NET does offer you the ability to use .NET Mobile Controls, which will let you build one (relatively simple and generic) interface which will work with desktop browsers and mobile device browsers, including not only Pocket IE but your typical WAP/WML phone. Personally, I wasn't that impressed with the mobile controls, though - I think that the interfaces differ enough to benefit from separate development in most cases. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200457 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Here, we need to consider adding .NET in order to support apps on Pocket PC. There are things that just don't require lugging around a notebook and a full Windows client. Up until now, support of CFML apps on Pocket PC has been non-existent. I'll never leave CFM. In what ways can I see gains by using BD.NET over just using CFM and .NET by themselves? -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? 3) If you're a CFML-on-Java/J2EE shop, and you're not taking advantage of J2EE platform integration features, and you're running on Windows, then you can achieve immediate performance and reliability advantages by using BlueDragon.NET instead of your current Java/J2EE-based CFML server. You can then decide whether or not taking advantage of the ASP.NET platform integration features makes sense for you. 4) If you're a CFML shop that's considering use of ASP.NET as an additional platform to supplement CFML, or if you're a shop that's already using both CFML and ASP.NET, or if you're using CFML but have made a strategic decision to migrate towards ASP.NET, then the benefits of integrating CFML and ASP.NET are obvious and BlueDragon.NET is the obvious platform of choice for deploying CFML. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200454 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
There's a lot more permutations than that. Let me try to address some: 1) If you're a UNIX or Linux shop, then BlueDragon.NET has no interest for you, and I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise (instead, I'll try to convince you to consider the Java/J2EE editions of BlueDragon that run on UNIX/Linux). 2) If you're a CFML-on-Java/J2EE shop, and you're taking advantage of J2EE platform integration features, there might not be an immediate reason to consider BlueDragon.NET. However, to digress for a moment, I'd point out that BlueDragon/J2EE provides better J2EE integration than any other Java/J2EE-based CFML server. For example, BD/J2EE is the only CFML server that fully supports WebSphere Network Deployment, including horizontal and vertical clustering. 3) If you're a CFML-on-Java/J2EE shop, and you're not taking advantage of J2EE platform integration features, and you're running on Windows, then you can achieve immediate performance and reliability advantages by using BlueDragon.NET instead of your current Java/J2EE-based CFML server. You can then decide whether or not taking advantage of the ASP.NET platform integration features makes sense for you. 4) If you're a CFML shop that's considering use of ASP.NET as an additional platform to supplement CFML, or if you're a shop that's already using both CFML and ASP.NET, or if you're using CFML but have made a strategic decision to migrate towards ASP.NET, then the benefits of integrating CFML and ASP.NET are obvious and BlueDragon.NET is the obvious platform of choice for deploying CFML. 5) If you're a CFML-on-Windows shop that finds the new features of CFMX 7 more compelling than the enhanced performance, reliability, and platform integration provided by BlueDragon.NET, then you're probably going to stick with CFMX 7. 6) If you're an ASP.NET shop who's never used CFML, then you're probably not going to be interested in using BlueDragon.NET. Does this help clarify my position? I'm not trying to argue that BlueDragon.NET is for everyone, or even that it's for most people. In fact, I strongly believe that most CFML developers will continue to use Macromedia ColdFusion MX, and that their needs will be better met by doing so. But...there's a subset of CFML developers who will be better served by the BlueDragon product line--both Java/J2EE and .NET. I am not--and New Atlanta is not--trying to convince the entire population of CFML developers to switch to BlueDragon. Instead, we're trying to identify the subset of that population who are better served by our products, and get the word to them. If you're not a member of that subset, that's fine, I have no argument with you. But, if you're trying to imply the no one in the current population of CFML developers is better served by BlueDragon, then that's where we'll disagree. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com > -Original Message- > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:51 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > I'd really like to see you expand on the answers you've > deferred to a presentation. What is the value benefit of .NET > as a platform if are using CFML on J2EE? > > As far as faster development goes, that question goes to the > need to use CFML at all if you are a .NET shop. I wasn't > implying that tools would need to be changed, I was just > curious about development speed. > > Some possible target audiences for CFML on .NET ..NET shops > CFML on J2EE shops > > What I'm trying to determine is why either shop would want to > change. While you've made some general statements about > performance (ignoring other OS solutions for the moment), > what other reasons are there? > > - Calvin > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200425 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
I'd really like to see you expand on the answers you've deferred to a presentation. What is the value benefit of .NET as a platform if are using CFML on J2EE? As far as faster development goes, that question goes to the need to use CFML at all if you are a .NET shop. I wasn't implying that tools would need to be changed, I was just curious about development speed. Some possible target audiences for CFML on .NET ..NET shops CFML on J2EE shops What I'm trying to determine is why either shop would want to change. While you've made some general statements about performance (ignoring other OS solutions for the moment), what other reasons are there? - Calvin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? See answers inserted, below. Vince > -Original Message- > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:59 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > Vince, > > Are you saying that .NET performs better than all J2EE > implementation? What exactly do you mean by performance? There's no "all" or "always" when it comes to performance. The only honest answer anyone can ever give to the question of performance is, "it depends on your application." However, based on internal benchmarks that we've done, and benchmarks of "real world" applications done by several lead customers of BD.NET, we believe that CFML applications deployed on BD.NET will generally out-perform the same CFML deployed on Java/J2EE-based CFML servers. This is especially true for Windows 2003 Server--versus Windows 2000--due to the high level of integration among the .NET Framework, IIS 6.0, and Windows 2003 Server. This is also especially true for multi-CPU servers. (Again, I'm comparing Java/J2EE-on-Windows versus .NET-on-Windows; this is not a Windows-versus-Linux debate). Our performance testing measured the typical parameters you'd expect to measure: requests per second, request processing time (time-to-first-byte, time-to-last-byte), and CPU utilization. All were generally better on BD.NET (higher requests per second, lower request processing time, lower CPU utilization). We hope to have some real-world case studies of BD.NET customers to present at CFUNITED-05. The only way to know if your application will perform better on BD.NET is to test it yourself. If you (or anyone else) is serious about performance testing your application on BD.NET, we'll be happy to help. There are some configuration settings in ASP.NET that can have a dramatic impact on performance, and we can help tune these for your application. > While I know that Microsoft has come a long way in terms of > reliability, how does that compare to Websphere, etc.? There are some specific new features in IIS 6.0 and ASP.NET on Windows 2003 related to web application isolation, process isolation, failure detection and recovery, and process recycling that are unique and have no equivalents in the Java/J2EE world. These are the things I'll talk about most during my CFUNITED-05 presentation. > What value does platform integration with .NET provide over a > J2EE implementation? If you see the value of ASP.NET, then the value of integrating CFML with ASP.NET is obvious. If you're interested in learning more, then I'd suggest Charlie's presentation and some of the ASP.NET presentations at CFUNITED-05. > Is it truly faster to develop with CFML + > HomeSite/DW/CFEclipse over .NET + Visual Studio? I don't know. I've never made this claim, and don't know how you'd measure such a thing. Personally, I do all of my CFML coding using CFEclipse, whether that CFML is targeted for BD/J2EE or BD.NET. It's just CFML, so you can use whatever tools you currently use to write CFML to target BD.NET (or any edition of BlueDragon). I tend to prefer the free Web Matrix tool over Visual Studio for developing ASP.NET pages: http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/default.aspx?tabIndex=4&tabId=46 I've also heard that Dreamweaver has excellent support for ASP.NET, though I've never used it myself. There's also an editor called PrimalCode that supports both CFML and ASP.NET: http://www.sapien.com/primalcode.aspx So there's no reason at all to think you're forced to change your development tools or use Visual Studio when developing for BlueDragon.NET. > > Thanks, > Calvin > > -Original Message- > From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:50 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > Excellent question. I&#
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Vince Bonfanti wrote: > internationalization tends to be much stronger in ASP.NET than J2EE. These last time i looked it was on a par (but different of course) w/core Java + icu4j. well what's so hot about i18n in asp.net these days? ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200397 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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A follow-up to the integration question: support for mobile devices and internationalization tends to be much stronger in ASP.NET than J2EE. These are two key features that are pulling some of our lead BD.NET customers towards .NET. Note everyone is interested in these two features, and there are other benefits to ASP.NET integration with CFML, but these seem to be two that are catching some people's interest. Vince > > > What value does platform integration with .NET provide over a J2EE > > implementation? > > If you see the value of ASP.NET, then the value of > integrating CFML with ASP.NET is obvious. If you're > interested in learning more, then I'd suggest Charlie's > presentation and some of the ASP.NET presentations at CFUNITED-05. > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200395 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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See answers inserted, below. Vince > -Original Message- > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:59 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > Vince, > > Are you saying that .NET performs better than all J2EE > implementation? What exactly do you mean by performance? There's no "all" or "always" when it comes to performance. The only honest answer anyone can ever give to the question of performance is, "it depends on your application." However, based on internal benchmarks that we've done, and benchmarks of "real world" applications done by several lead customers of BD.NET, we believe that CFML applications deployed on BD.NET will generally out-perform the same CFML deployed on Java/J2EE-based CFML servers. This is especially true for Windows 2003 Server--versus Windows 2000--due to the high level of integration among the .NET Framework, IIS 6.0, and Windows 2003 Server. This is also especially true for multi-CPU servers. (Again, I'm comparing Java/J2EE-on-Windows versus .NET-on-Windows; this is not a Windows-versus-Linux debate). Our performance testing measured the typical parameters you'd expect to measure: requests per second, request processing time (time-to-first-byte, time-to-last-byte), and CPU utilization. All were generally better on BD.NET (higher requests per second, lower request processing time, lower CPU utilization). We hope to have some real-world case studies of BD.NET customers to present at CFUNITED-05. The only way to know if your application will perform better on BD.NET is to test it yourself. If you (or anyone else) is serious about performance testing your application on BD.NET, we'll be happy to help. There are some configuration settings in ASP.NET that can have a dramatic impact on performance, and we can help tune these for your application. > While I know that Microsoft has come a long way in terms of > reliability, how does that compare to Websphere, etc.? There are some specific new features in IIS 6.0 and ASP.NET on Windows 2003 related to web application isolation, process isolation, failure detection and recovery, and process recycling that are unique and have no equivalents in the Java/J2EE world. These are the things I'll talk about most during my CFUNITED-05 presentation. > What value does platform integration with .NET provide over a > J2EE implementation? If you see the value of ASP.NET, then the value of integrating CFML with ASP.NET is obvious. If you're interested in learning more, then I'd suggest Charlie's presentation and some of the ASP.NET presentations at CFUNITED-05. > Is it truly faster to develop with CFML + > HomeSite/DW/CFEclipse over .NET + Visual Studio? I don't know. I've never made this claim, and don't know how you'd measure such a thing. Personally, I do all of my CFML coding using CFEclipse, whether that CFML is targeted for BD/J2EE or BD.NET. It's just CFML, so you can use whatever tools you currently use to write CFML to target BD.NET (or any edition of BlueDragon). I tend to prefer the free Web Matrix tool over Visual Studio for developing ASP.NET pages: http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/default.aspx?tabIndex=4&tabId=46 I've also heard that Dreamweaver has excellent support for ASP.NET, though I've never used it myself. There's also an editor called PrimalCode that supports both CFML and ASP.NET: http://www.sapien.com/primalcode.aspx So there's no reason at all to think you're forced to change your development tools or use Visual Studio when developing for BlueDragon.NET. > > Thanks, > Calvin > > -Original Message- > From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:50 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > Excellent question. I'm giving a talk at CFUNITED-05 > entitled, "CFML on Windows Server 2003 and IIS 6.0: the .NET > Advantage" on this specific topic. > This talk will discuss the advantages of .NET versus > Java/J2EE on Windows (it assumes you're already running > Windows--this is not a Windows vs. Linux talk). > > In short, there are three main reasons to choose a .NET-based > CFML server over a Java/J2EE-based CFML server when running > on Windows: performance and reliability (which I cover in my > talk), and platform integration with ASP.NET and the .NET Framework. > > For more on ASP.NET integration, Charlie Arehart is following > with a talk entitled, "Integrating CFML and ASP.NET Server > Controls." Of course, Charlie and I will be posting much of > the information from these sessions on our respective blogs,
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Calvin, Development speeds between them are pretty the same. I do C# development as well as I did (and still do) CFML since the first CF versions. The development speed more or less depends on the person and its knowledge than on the language. If you have basic understanding of OOP and the basics of modifiers, namespaces, etc. you will be starting quicker with the C# than the average CF developer. .NET pretty much forces you to think object oriented. I think that will be the most difficult part in the transition. Getting used to the language just takes some time and makes you wonder why in hell they made such an approach to method A and method B when in CF it was just that. The opposite counts for C# as well :) With Mono not up to shape the .NET platform is a Microsoft only platform. So if you are running in any other environment choose J2EE. There is a shift going on in enterprise companies, towards Windows 2003, so I expect the J2EE market to slightly drop. Either way, just give it shot, it won't bite. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 29 maart 2005 12:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? Vince, Are you saying that .NET performs better than all J2EE implementation? What exactly do you mean by performance? While I know that Microsoft has come a long way in terms of reliability, how does that compare to Websphere, etc.? What value does platform integration with .NET provide over a J2EE implementation? Is it truly faster to develop with CFML + HomeSite/DW/CFEclipse over ..NET + Visual Studio? Thanks, Calvin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? Excellent question. I'm giving a talk at CFUNITED-05 entitled, "CFML on Windows Server 2003 and IIS 6.0: the .NET Advantage" on this specific topic. This talk will discuss the advantages of .NET versus Java/J2EE on Windows (it assumes you're already running Windows--this is not a Windows vs. Linux talk). In short, there are three main reasons to choose a .NET-based CFML server over a Java/J2EE-based CFML server when running on Windows: performance and reliability (which I cover in my talk), and platform integration with ASP.NET and the .NET Framework. For more on ASP.NET integration, Charlie Arehart is following with a talk entitled, "Integrating CFML and ASP.NET Server Controls." Of course, Charlie and I will be posting much of the information from these sessions on our respective blogs, and I assume the session material will be on the CFUNITED-05 web site after the conference is over. I guess while I'm plugging both CFUNITED-05 and BlueDragon (is this still on-topic?), for those more interested in free software--Linux, MySQL, Apache--Dave Epler is giving a talk entitled, "LAMBDA Boxes: ColdFusion Apps on the Cheap," which highlights the aforementioned open source products and the free BlueDragon Server (LAMBDA stands for Linux, Apache, MySQL, BlueDragon). For more info on these and all the CFUNITED-05 sessions, see: http://www.cfunited.com/topics.cfm If you haven't yet made plans to attend CFUNITED, you really should (and, yes, there's going to be a lot of great speakers and sessions about CFMX 7, too--it's not a BlueDragon show). Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com > -Original Message- > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:30 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > So that this thread does become somewhat topical, here's a > real question about it. > > What specific value does deploying on .NET over J2EE bring to > a CFML application? And how does that apply to real world needs? > > - Calvin > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try i
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Vince, Are you saying that .NET performs better than all J2EE implementation? What exactly do you mean by performance? While I know that Microsoft has come a long way in terms of reliability, how does that compare to Websphere, etc.? What value does platform integration with .NET provide over a J2EE implementation? Is it truly faster to develop with CFML + HomeSite/DW/CFEclipse over .NET + Visual Studio? Thanks, Calvin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? Excellent question. I'm giving a talk at CFUNITED-05 entitled, "CFML on Windows Server 2003 and IIS 6.0: the .NET Advantage" on this specific topic. This talk will discuss the advantages of .NET versus Java/J2EE on Windows (it assumes you're already running Windows--this is not a Windows vs. Linux talk). In short, there are three main reasons to choose a .NET-based CFML server over a Java/J2EE-based CFML server when running on Windows: performance and reliability (which I cover in my talk), and platform integration with ASP.NET and the .NET Framework. For more on ASP.NET integration, Charlie Arehart is following with a talk entitled, "Integrating CFML and ASP.NET Server Controls." Of course, Charlie and I will be posting much of the information from these sessions on our respective blogs, and I assume the session material will be on the CFUNITED-05 web site after the conference is over. I guess while I'm plugging both CFUNITED-05 and BlueDragon (is this still on-topic?), for those more interested in free software--Linux, MySQL, Apache--Dave Epler is giving a talk entitled, "LAMBDA Boxes: ColdFusion Apps on the Cheap," which highlights the aforementioned open source products and the free BlueDragon Server (LAMBDA stands for Linux, Apache, MySQL, BlueDragon). For more info on these and all the CFUNITED-05 sessions, see: http://www.cfunited.com/topics.cfm If you haven't yet made plans to attend CFUNITED, you really should (and, yes, there's going to be a lot of great speakers and sessions about CFMX 7, too--it's not a BlueDragon show). Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com > -Original Message- > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:30 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > So that this thread does become somewhat topical, here's a > real question about it. > > What specific value does deploying on .NET over J2EE bring to > a CFML application? And how does that apply to real world needs? > > - Calvin > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200383 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Thanks, but I can't take credit or blame for coining LAMBDA. I don't know who was the first person to use that term, but it was done entirely independently of New Atlanta. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com http://blog.newatlanta.com > -Original Message- > From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 10:12 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > i cant stop hearing... > > tri lambda lambda lambda lam... and omega mu! > > thanks a whole effin' lot VINCE! > > :) no serious... cfUnited should be good, im about to write > up my request for funding tomorrow! > > tw > > > > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:00:26 +0800, James Holmes > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > LAMBDA boxes - I got images of Gordon Freeman running > around with a crowbar. > > > > On the serious side, it's good to have a competitor for LAMP, even > > though free DB can't be used in exactly the same way (e.g. > ISP hosting). > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2005 10:50 > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since > sliced bread? > > > > [snip] > > > > I guess while I'm plugging both CFUNITED-05 and BlueDragon (is this > > still on-topic?), for those more interested in free > software--Linux, > > MySQL, Apache--Dave Epler is giving a talk entitled, "LAMBDA Boxes: > > ColdFusion Apps on the Cheap," which highlights the aforementioned > > open source products and the free BlueDragon Server (LAMBDA > stands for > > Linux, Apache, MySQL, BlueDragon). > > > > [snip] > > > > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200382 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Pete Freitag blogged about the new release. I really like some of the features added. Truly amazing. They are not as big as for the cf reports in CFMX7, but the sort of functionality added really helps in the daily tasks on a recurring basis. I like it a lot. CFCACHECONTENT - Partial page caching in a file or a database. CFFORWARD - Does a server side redirection (no client side location headers like cflocation) CFIMAP - check email in an IMAP account CFIMAGE - resize an image CFZIP - create and read zip files CFXMLRPC - invoke a method using XML RPC CFTHROTTLE - used to throttle requests, if your db or something can't handle the load. CFASSERT - a debugging tag that you can use to test an assertion (a boolean expression). If the assertion fails an exception is thrown. CFCONTINUE - jumps to the next iteration in a loop CFDEBUGGER - writes a line to a log file for each line CFML code that's has been executed CFBASE - creates an absolute URL that serves as the base for resolving relative URLs within a CFML page CFPAUSE - causes the page to sleep. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200379 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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And I guess it never crashed the server because it works out of the box rock solid. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 29 maart 2005 1:33 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > If some joe off the street started making posts about their blog in here > I might have the same reaction Jim did. ;) Hey now, as a Joe who has a blog, I resemble that! I installed BlueDragon on .NET for the first time the other day, and found it a relatively smooth experience. I expected to spend a day or so making Model-Glue compatible, but it took about fifteen minutes, and probably resulted in some better code overall. Nice work, New Atlanta. -Joe -- Get Glued! The Model-Glue ColdFusion Framework http://www.model-glue.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200377 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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i cant stop hearing... tri lambda lambda lambda lam... and omega mu! thanks a whole effin' lot VINCE! :) no serious... cfUnited should be good, im about to write up my request for funding tomorrow! tw On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:00:26 +0800, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > LAMBDA boxes - I got images of Gordon Freeman running around with a crowbar. > > On the serious side, it's good to have a competitor for LAMP, even though > free DB can't be used in exactly the same way (e.g. ISP hosting). > > -Original Message- > From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2005 10:50 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > [snip] > > I guess while I'm plugging both CFUNITED-05 and BlueDragon (is this still > on-topic?), for those more interested in free software--Linux, MySQL, > Apache--Dave Epler is giving a talk entitled, "LAMBDA Boxes: ColdFusion Apps > on the Cheap," which highlights the aforementioned open source products and > the free BlueDragon Server (LAMBDA stands for Linux, Apache, MySQL, > BlueDragon). > > [snip] > > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200361 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
LAMBDA boxes - I got images of Gordon Freeman running around with a crowbar. On the serious side, it's good to have a competitor for LAMP, even though free DB can't be used in exactly the same way (e.g. ISP hosting). -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2005 10:50 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? [snip] I guess while I'm plugging both CFUNITED-05 and BlueDragon (is this still on-topic?), for those more interested in free software--Linux, MySQL, Apache--Dave Epler is giving a talk entitled, "LAMBDA Boxes: ColdFusion Apps on the Cheap," which highlights the aforementioned open source products and the free BlueDragon Server (LAMBDA stands for Linux, Apache, MySQL, BlueDragon). [snip] ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200357 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Excellent question. I'm giving a talk at CFUNITED-05 entitled, "CFML on Windows Server 2003 and IIS 6.0: the .NET Advantage" on this specific topic. This talk will discuss the advantages of .NET versus Java/J2EE on Windows (it assumes you're already running Windows--this is not a Windows vs. Linux talk). In short, there are three main reasons to choose a .NET-based CFML server over a Java/J2EE-based CFML server when running on Windows: performance and reliability (which I cover in my talk), and platform integration with ASP.NET and the .NET Framework. For more on ASP.NET integration, Charlie Arehart is following with a talk entitled, "Integrating CFML and ASP.NET Server Controls." Of course, Charlie and I will be posting much of the information from these sessions on our respective blogs, and I assume the session material will be on the CFUNITED-05 web site after the conference is over. I guess while I'm plugging both CFUNITED-05 and BlueDragon (is this still on-topic?), for those more interested in free software--Linux, MySQL, Apache--Dave Epler is giving a talk entitled, "LAMBDA Boxes: ColdFusion Apps on the Cheap," which highlights the aforementioned open source products and the free BlueDragon Server (LAMBDA stands for Linux, Apache, MySQL, BlueDragon). For more info on these and all the CFUNITED-05 sessions, see: http://www.cfunited.com/topics.cfm If you haven't yet made plans to attend CFUNITED, you really should (and, yes, there's going to be a lot of great speakers and sessions about CFMX 7, too--it's not a BlueDragon show). Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com > -Original Message- > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:30 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > So that this thread does become somewhat topical, here's a > real question about it. > > What specific value does deploying on .NET over J2EE bring to > a CFML application? And how does that apply to real world needs? > > - Calvin > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200354 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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This was my question as well, so I asked him this on the BD discussion list and he assures me that he'll write about it in his blog within the near future. ;) -JM Calvin Ward wrote: >So that this thread does become somewhat topical, here's a real question >about it. > >What specific value does deploying on .NET over J2EE bring to a CFML >application? And how does that apply to real world needs? > >- Calvin > >-Original Message- >From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:16 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > >+1 Rick. > >I'm sitting here thinking, "if it -was- blatant adverstising, the >longer the thread's kept alive, the more mileage Vince is getting from >it" :) > > >On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:57:44 -0500, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > >>Calvin Ward wrote: >> >> >>>I too consider this blatant and undesirable advertising, just as I would >>> >>> >if > > >>>Damon or Ben did the same thing. >>> >>> >>I consider the ensuing discussion to be much worse. >> >> - Rick >> >> >> >> > > > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200352 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Joe Rinehart wrote: >>If some joe off the street started making posts about their blog in here >>I might have the same reaction Jim did. ;) >> >> > >Hey now, as a Joe who has a blog, I resemble that! > >I installed BlueDragon on .NET for the first time the other day, and >found it a relatively smooth experience. I expected to spend a day or >so making Model-Glue compatible, but it took about fifteen minutes, >and probably resulted in some better code overall. > >Nice work, New Atlanta. > >-Joe > > > lol. No offense my friend. I guess I was thinking of something more along the lines of "Check out my blog where I write about the sweaters I knit for my pet guinea pig." =P -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200351 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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So that this thread does become somewhat topical, here's a real question about it. What specific value does deploying on .NET over J2EE bring to a CFML application? And how does that apply to real world needs? - Calvin -Original Message- From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? +1 Rick. I'm sitting here thinking, "if it -was- blatant adverstising, the longer the thread's kept alive, the more mileage Vince is getting from it" :) On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:57:44 -0500, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Calvin Ward wrote: > > > > I too consider this blatant and undesirable advertising, just as I would if > > Damon or Ben did the same thing. > > I consider the ensuing discussion to be much worse. > > - Rick > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200340 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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+1 Rick. I'm sitting here thinking, "if it -was- blatant adverstising, the longer the thread's kept alive, the more mileage Vince is getting from it" :) On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:57:44 -0500, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Calvin Ward wrote: > > > > I too consider this blatant and undesirable advertising, just as I would if > > Damon or Ben did the same thing. > > I consider the ensuing discussion to be much worse. > > - Rick > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200338 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Calvin Ward wrote: > > I too consider this blatant and undesirable advertising, just as I would if > Damon or Ben did the same thing. I consider the ensuing discussion to be much worse. - Rick ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200332 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
> If some joe off the street started making posts about their blog in here > I might have the same reaction Jim did. ;) Hey now, as a Joe who has a blog, I resemble that! I installed BlueDragon on .NET for the first time the other day, and found it a relatively smooth experience. I expected to spend a day or so making Model-Glue compatible, but it took about fifteen minutes, and probably resulted in some better code overall. Nice work, New Atlanta. -Joe -- Get Glued! The Model-Glue ColdFusion Framework http://www.model-glue.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200323 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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The information in his blog is probably very relevant to CF, and, I certainly don't mind some pointing me to the info as an alternative to them posting it twice...the blog and here, especially since lengthy posts get you a slap on the wrist here... Too suspicious of ulterior motives... And should we post information only on products that are free to the community? Since when is helping the community and making money a crime? Just hit the delete button if it offends...let the rest of us benefit. Rick -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 5:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? In my opinion this was a thinly veiled advertising post for a product. Earlier today or yesterday someone posted a link to their blog where they described how something can be solved that was in response to a thread, which is different, at least to a degree. This is, of course, my opinion. Your mileage may vary. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 5:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? So when others mention their lastest blog entry that's ok? -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2005 22:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? Wasn't the release of the product announced on this list when it occurred? How about Ben drops a bi-weekly announcement of the WACK books under various guises? And maybe Damon can re-announce Blackstone's release once a month too? I too consider this blatant and undesirable advertising, just as I would if Damon or Ben did the same thing. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? Jim probably just didn't realize that this post was from someone who represents a leader in the CF community who only intends to talk about CF-related stuff. If some joe off the street started making posts about their blog in here I might have the same reaction Jim did. ;) -JM Adrian Lynch wrote: >It's about as related to CF as you can get. Would you be so sharp if it were >a write up by someone at MM? > >Ade > >-Original Message- >From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 28 March 2005 21:42 >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > >Is blatant advertising permitted on this list? (hint: you know the >answer) > > >- Original Message - >From: "Vince Bonfanti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Talk" >Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:36 PM >Subject: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > > > >>That's the question raised in my new blog (hint: the answer is "no"): >> >> http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm >> >>Vince Bonfanti >>New Atlanta Communications, LLC >>http://www.newatlanta.com >> >> -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200310 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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i agree w/jordan - vince is a well-respected community advocate and bd is something that the community at large should be aware of and informed about. i think that a discussion about whether the post is an advertisement or not (blatant, thinly-veiled, or otherwise) is moot - newatlanta is creating milestones in the cf world, imho, and i am interested in what vince has to say about their product. cf-talk is the authoritative portal for disseminating relevant information to the community and i consider vince's post valid and relative. just my opinion - not a flame. >Jim probably just didn't realize that this post was from someone who >represents a leader in the CF community who only intends to talk about >CF-related stuff. > >If some joe off the street started making posts about their blog in here >I might have the same reaction Jim did. ;) > >-JM > > > >Adrian Lynch wrote: > > > >-- >Warm regards, >Jordan Michaels >Vivio Technologies >http://www.viviotech.net/ >[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200307 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
In my opinion this was a thinly veiled advertising post for a product. Earlier today or yesterday someone posted a link to their blog where they described how something can be solved that was in response to a thread, which is different, at least to a degree. This is, of course, my opinion. Your mileage may vary. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 5:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? So when others mention their lastest blog entry that's ok? -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2005 22:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? Wasn't the release of the product announced on this list when it occurred? How about Ben drops a bi-weekly announcement of the WACK books under various guises? And maybe Damon can re-announce Blackstone's release once a month too? I too consider this blatant and undesirable advertising, just as I would if Damon or Ben did the same thing. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? Jim probably just didn't realize that this post was from someone who represents a leader in the CF community who only intends to talk about CF-related stuff. If some joe off the street started making posts about their blog in here I might have the same reaction Jim did. ;) -JM Adrian Lynch wrote: >It's about as related to CF as you can get. Would you be so sharp if it were >a write up by someone at MM? > >Ade > >-Original Message- >From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 28 March 2005 21:42 >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > >Is blatant advertising permitted on this list? (hint: you know the >answer) > > >- Original Message - >From: "Vince Bonfanti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Talk" >Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:36 PM >Subject: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > > > >>That's the question raised in my new blog (hint: the answer is "no"): >> >> http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm >> >>Vince Bonfanti >>New Atlanta Communications, LLC >>http://www.newatlanta.com >> >> -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200298 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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So when others mention their lastest blog entry that's ok? -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2005 22:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? Wasn't the release of the product announced on this list when it occurred? How about Ben drops a bi-weekly announcement of the WACK books under various guises? And maybe Damon can re-announce Blackstone's release once a month too? I too consider this blatant and undesirable advertising, just as I would if Damon or Ben did the same thing. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? Jim probably just didn't realize that this post was from someone who represents a leader in the CF community who only intends to talk about CF-related stuff. If some joe off the street started making posts about their blog in here I might have the same reaction Jim did. ;) -JM Adrian Lynch wrote: >It's about as related to CF as you can get. Would you be so sharp if it were >a write up by someone at MM? > >Ade > >-Original Message- >From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 28 March 2005 21:42 >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > >Is blatant advertising permitted on this list? (hint: you know the >answer) > > >- Original Message - >From: "Vince Bonfanti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Talk" >Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:36 PM >Subject: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > > > >>That's the question raised in my new blog (hint: the answer is "no"): >> >> http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm >> >>Vince Bonfanti >>New Atlanta Communications, LLC >>http://www.newatlanta.com >> >> -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200282 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Wasn't the release of the product announced on this list when it occurred? How about Ben drops a bi-weekly announcement of the WACK books under various guises? And maybe Damon can re-announce Blackstone's release once a month too? I too consider this blatant and undesirable advertising, just as I would if Damon or Ben did the same thing. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? Jim probably just didn't realize that this post was from someone who represents a leader in the CF community who only intends to talk about CF-related stuff. If some joe off the street started making posts about their blog in here I might have the same reaction Jim did. ;) -JM Adrian Lynch wrote: >It's about as related to CF as you can get. Would you be so sharp if it were >a write up by someone at MM? > >Ade > >-Original Message- >From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 28 March 2005 21:42 >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > >Is blatant advertising permitted on this list? (hint: you know the >answer) > > >- Original Message - >From: "Vince Bonfanti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Talk" >Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:36 PM >Subject: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > > > >>That's the question raised in my new blog (hint: the answer is "no"): >> >> http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm >> >>Vince Bonfanti >>New Atlanta Communications, LLC >>http://www.newatlanta.com >> >> -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200279 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Jim probably just didn't realize that this post was from someone who represents a leader in the CF community who only intends to talk about CF-related stuff. If some joe off the street started making posts about their blog in here I might have the same reaction Jim did. ;) -JM Adrian Lynch wrote: >It's about as related to CF as you can get. Would you be so sharp if it were >a write up by someone at MM? > >Ade > >-Original Message- >From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 28 March 2005 21:42 >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > >Is blatant advertising permitted on this list? (hint: you know the >answer) > > >- Original Message - >From: "Vince Bonfanti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Talk" >Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:36 PM >Subject: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > > > > >>That's the question raised in my new blog (hint: the answer is "no"): >> >> http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm >> >>Vince Bonfanti >>New Atlanta Communications, LLC >>http://www.newatlanta.com >> >> -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200275 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
It's about as related to CF as you can get. Would you be so sharp if it were a write up by someone at MM? Ade -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2005 21:42 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? Is blatant advertising permitted on this list? (hint: you know the answer) - Original Message - From: "Vince Bonfanti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:36 PM Subject: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > That's the question raised in my new blog (hint: the answer is "no"): > >http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm > > Vince Bonfanti > New Atlanta Communications, LLC > http://www.newatlanta.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200271 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Is blatant advertising permitted on this list? (hint: you know the answer) - Original Message - From: "Vince Bonfanti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:36 PM Subject: Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread? > That's the question raised in my new blog (hint: the answer is "no"): > >http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm > > Vince Bonfanti > New Atlanta Communications, LLC > http://www.newatlanta.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200265 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Is BlueDragon.NET the greatest thing since sliced bread?
That's the question raised in my new blog (hint: the answer is "no"): http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200263 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
