RE: Coldfusion roadmap
Sleep deprivation is a wonderful thing, isn't it ;-) Eric -Original Message- From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (ASI-AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 13 December 2006 12:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion roadmap Ok, maybe we are talking past each other. The original e-mail stated "I was wondering if there is a roadmap for ColdFusion like new versions etc..." That piece talks about future versions. The second part of the e-mail made the statement about EOL... And because he specifically mentioned future versions I assumed that he meant a specific version. Such as "I heard the CF5 was EOL since Adobe bought Macromedia". If he meant total EOL, why would he ask about future versions? Then again, between working full time and attending college 3/4 time (8 credit hours), I don't get much sleep so I could be totally off! ;) Steve -Original Message- From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion roadmap Did you read a different email Steve? *grin* He specifically said that he heard CF was EOL since Adobe bought it (see bottom of this email... Eric -Original Message- From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (ASI-AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2006 12:29 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion roadmap Actually, I read his post differently. He specifically mentioned new versions. I think he is asking for how long a version of the product is supported. Sort of like Microsoft tells you that they will end support for Version X, Z number of years after Version Y comes out. Steve -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion roadmap I heard that Elvis is alive and well in a trailer park just outside Milwaukie. I heard that Iraq had WOMD. I heard there were fairies and a talking toadstool at the bottom of my garden. I heard *yawn* Andy (jackanory, jackanory, tra la la la la la) ok, sorry if I'm being really sarcastic but its a well know fact (blogs, mailing lists, Adobe Labs, etc) that CF is NOT going away. On 12/12/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uh oh, here it goes again! The ever present EOL stuff.. > > Let's just say, ColdFusion is alive and well.. With a major new version out > next year. > > > > > > > > > > "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, > Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, > Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is > confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the > intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note > that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the > information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call > our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this > communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." > Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com > > -Original Message- > From: Charles E. Heizer > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Tue Dec 12 18:10:29 2006 > Subject: Coldfusion roadmap > > Hello, > I was wondering if there is a roadmap for Coldfusion like new versions > etc... > > I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't find any > info on that. > > Thanks, > > -Charles > > > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:264015 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Coldfusion roadmap
Ok, maybe we are talking past each other. The original e-mail stated "I was wondering if there is a roadmap for ColdFusion like new versions etc..." That piece talks about future versions. The second part of the e-mail made the statement about EOL... And because he specifically mentioned future versions I assumed that he meant a specific version. Such as "I heard the CF5 was EOL since Adobe bought Macromedia". If he meant total EOL, why would he ask about future versions? Then again, between working full time and attending college 3/4 time (8 credit hours), I don't get much sleep so I could be totally off! ;) Steve -Original Message- From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion roadmap Did you read a different email Steve? *grin* He specifically said that he heard CF was EOL since Adobe bought it (see bottom of this email... Eric ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263962 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Coldfusion roadmap
Ok, maybe we are talking past each other. The original e-mail stated "I was wondering if there is a roadmap for ColdFusion like new versions etc..." That piece talks about future versions. The second part of the e-mail made the statement about EOL... And because he specifically mentioned future versions I assumed that he meant a specific version. Such as "I heard the CF5 was EOL since Adobe bought Macromedia". If he meant total EOL, why would he ask about future versions? Then again, between working full time and attending college 3/4 time (8 credit hours), I don't get much sleep so I could be totally off! ;) Steve -Original Message- From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion roadmap Did you read a different email Steve? *grin* He specifically said that he heard CF was EOL since Adobe bought it (see bottom of this email... Eric -Original Message- From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (ASI-AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2006 12:29 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion roadmap Actually, I read his post differently. He specifically mentioned new versions. I think he is asking for how long a version of the product is supported. Sort of like Microsoft tells you that they will end support for Version X, Z number of years after Version Y comes out. Steve -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion roadmap I heard that Elvis is alive and well in a trailer park just outside Milwaukie. I heard that Iraq had WOMD. I heard there were fairies and a talking toadstool at the bottom of my garden. I heard *yawn* Andy (jackanory, jackanory, tra la la la la la) ok, sorry if I'm being really sarcastic but its a well know fact (blogs, mailing lists, Adobe Labs, etc) that CF is NOT going away. On 12/12/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uh oh, here it goes again! The ever present EOL stuff.. > > Let's just say, ColdFusion is alive and well.. With a major new version out > next year. > > > > > > > > > > "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, > Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, > Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is > confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the > intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note > that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the > information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call > our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this > communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." > Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com > > -Original Message- > From: Charles E. Heizer > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Tue Dec 12 18:10:29 2006 > Subject: Coldfusion roadmap > > Hello, > I was wondering if there is a roadmap for Coldfusion like new versions > etc... > > I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't find any > info on that. > > Thanks, > > -Charles > > > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263959 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Coldfusion roadmap
On Tuesday 12 December 2006 23:12, Neil Middleton wrote: > was talking to factory doing repetitve resprays. Anyone else remember > this? Something very similar, yeah. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to proactively engineer 24/365 eyeballs This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263946 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Coldfusion roadmap
On Tuesday 12 December 2006 22:06, Will Swain wrote: > FWIW, I think they rely on the developers to do the marketing for them. Yeah, and we'd have a much easier time of it if managers had at least *heard* of CF before we went and suggested it. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to elementarily enhance edge-of-your-seat niches This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263945 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Coldfusion roadmap
Did you read a different email Steve? *grin* He specifically said that he heard CF was EOL since Adobe bought it (see bottom of this email... Eric -Original Message- From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (ASI-AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2006 12:29 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion roadmap Actually, I read his post differently. He specifically mentioned new versions. I think he is asking for how long a version of the product is supported. Sort of like Microsoft tells you that they will end support for Version X, Z number of years after Version Y comes out. Steve -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion roadmap I heard that Elvis is alive and well in a trailer park just outside Milwaukie. I heard that Iraq had WOMD. I heard there were fairies and a talking toadstool at the bottom of my garden. I heard *yawn* Andy (jackanory, jackanory, tra la la la la la) ok, sorry if I'm being really sarcastic but its a well know fact (blogs, mailing lists, Adobe Labs, etc) that CF is NOT going away. On 12/12/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uh oh, here it goes again! The ever present EOL stuff.. > > Let's just say, ColdFusion is alive and well.. With a major new version out > next year. > > > > > > > > > > "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, > Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, > Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is > confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the > intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note > that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the > information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call > our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this > communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." > Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com > > -Original Message- > From: Charles E. Heizer > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Tue Dec 12 18:10:29 2006 > Subject: Coldfusion roadmap > > Hello, > I was wondering if there is a roadmap for Coldfusion like new versions > etc... > > I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't find any > info on that. > > Thanks, > > -Charles > > > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263898 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Coldfusion roadmap
Ya think that may be the reason he can't find anything about a CF EOL? Hehehe Eric -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2006 12:24 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion roadmap I heard that Elvis is alive and well in a trailer park just outside Milwaukie. I heard that Iraq had WOMD. I heard there were fairies and a talking toadstool at the bottom of my garden. I heard *yawn* Andy (jackanory, jackanory, tra la la la la la) ok, sorry if I'm being really sarcastic but its a well know fact (blogs, mailing lists, Adobe Labs, etc) that CF is NOT going away. On 12/12/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uh oh, here it goes again! The ever present EOL stuff.. > > Let's just say, ColdFusion is alive and well.. With a major new > version out next year. > > > > > > > > > > "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, > Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed > Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains > information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is > for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not > the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, > copying or use of this communication or the information in it is > strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error please return it to the sender or call our > switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." > Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com > > -Original Message- > From: Charles E. Heizer > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Tue Dec 12 18:10:29 2006 > Subject: Coldfusion roadmap > > Hello, > I was wondering if there is a roadmap for Coldfusion like new versions > etc... > > I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't > find any info on that. > > Thanks, > > -Charles > > > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263897 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Coldfusion roadmap
The salesman in the ad had some sort of pda device or tablet pc that he was changing the options in. Maybe they were really using Flash Lite ;) Nic Neil Middleton wrote: > It didn't have a huge amount to do with reality either, but hey-ho ;-) > > N > > On 12/12/06, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > of them! And, honestly, have you ever seen a billboard advertising ASP.NET? >>> In fact, after thinking about it, I do seem to remember >>> seeing a TV ad for .NET a few years back - consisted of a >>> guy orderering a ferrari in a showroom and trying to choose >>> the colour, while the .NET ordering system was talking to >>> factory doing repetitve resprays. Anyone else remember this? >>> >> Yes, I remember that ad, but it's important to distinguish between .NET >> (the >> entire framework for all current MS development) and ASP.NET (the web app >> environment using said framework). The ad didn't have anything to do with >> web applications, as I recall. >> > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263887 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Coldfusion roadmap
It didn't have a huge amount to do with reality either, but hey-ho ;-) N On 12/12/06, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > of them! And, honestly, have you ever seen a billboard > > > advertising ASP.NET? > > > > In fact, after thinking about it, I do seem to remember > > seeing a TV ad for .NET a few years back - consisted of a > > guy orderering a ferrari in a showroom and trying to choose > > the colour, while the .NET ordering system was talking to > > factory doing repetitve resprays. Anyone else remember this? > > Yes, I remember that ad, but it's important to distinguish between .NET > (the > entire framework for all current MS development) and ASP.NET (the web app > environment using said framework). The ad didn't have anything to do with > web applications, as I recall. -- Neil Middleton Visit feed-squirrel.com ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263881 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Coldfusion roadmap
> > of them! And, honestly, have you ever seen a billboard > > advertising ASP.NET? > > In fact, after thinking about it, I do seem to remember > seeing a TV ad for .NET a few years back - consisted of a > guy orderering a ferrari in a showroom and trying to choose > the colour, while the .NET ordering system was talking to > factory doing repetitve resprays. Anyone else remember this? Yes, I remember that ad, but it's important to distinguish between .NET (the entire framework for all current MS development) and ASP.NET (the web app environment using said framework). The ad didn't have anything to do with web applications, as I recall. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263873 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Coldfusion roadmap
On 12/12/06, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Those aren't comparable products. Office and Windows are intended for > general consumer use. It's hard to get a computer without one or both of > them! And, honestly, have you ever seen a billboard advertising ASP.NET? In fact, after thinking about it, I do seem to remember seeing a TV ad for ..NET a few years back - consisted of a guy orderering a ferrari in a showroom and trying to choose the colour, while the .NET ordering system was talking to factory doing repetitve resprays. Anyone else remember this? -- Neil Middleton Visit feed-squirrel.com ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263870 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Coldfusion roadmap
And there are lots of alternative CFML application servers out there to take its place, such as BlueDragon, Railo, IgniteFusion etc. Russ -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 December 2006 21:28 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion roadmap This whole thing really gets me pissed off. EVEN supposing Adobe decided they dont want ColdFusion (which i dont think they have) there would still be LOTs of coldfusion sites that need work, and they would far more likely to sell ColdFusion to someone else as a going business than just shut it down. So there's no chance we'll suddenly find ourselves out of a job. EVEN if coldfusion came to the EOL, ther would still be work for years to come afterwards. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 12/13/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uh oh, here it goes again! The ever present EOL stuff.. > > Let's just say, ColdFusion is alive and well.. With a major new > version out next year. > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263867 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Coldfusion roadmap
> Maybe not ASP.NET but the fact it is powered by .NET is > enough to sway it to the .NET camp. Airports are good > examples of this kind of marketing - hit the business men > with it. Since EVERYTHING in MS-land is "powered by .NET", this means absolutely nothing. For Adobe to do something similar, they'll have to rename all their products as Acrobat-something or other (which they actually seem to be doing, somewhat). > Fact is, we will never see ColdFusion getting the kind of > marketing we would like :-) I'd rather Adobe save their money and use it for marketing opportunities a little more targeted than billboards in airports. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263857 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Coldfusion roadmap
FWIW, I think they rely on the developers to do the marketing for them. -Original Message- From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 December 2006 21:57 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion roadmap > What marketing? I was being facetious, but in all seriousness, folks who might purchase a CF license are not easily marketed to, so it's not surprising there isn't much (if any) marketing going on - it probably wouldn't be cost effective. In a way, this bodes well -- the lack of marketing suggests that they are able to do ok without much marketing effort, just word of mouth. This is highly desirable no matter what product you are selling. -- Josh ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263855 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Coldfusion roadmap
> What marketing? I was being facetious, but in all seriousness, folks who might purchase a CF license are not easily marketed to, so it's not surprising there isn't much (if any) marketing going on - it probably wouldn't be cost effective. In a way, this bodes well -- the lack of marketing suggests that they are able to do ok without much marketing effort, just word of mouth. This is highly desirable no matter what product you are selling. -- Josh ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263852 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Coldfusion roadmap
Maybe not ASP.NET but the fact it is powered by .NET is enough to sway it to the .NET camp. Airports are good examples of this kind of marketing - hit the business men with it. Fact is, we will never see ColdFusion getting the kind of marketing we would like :-) "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts To: CF-Talk Sent: Tue Dec 12 21:45:22 2006 Subject: RE: Coldfusion roadmap > Do the sheer number of threads on this subject make you > wonder if Adobe's marketing of CF might be a little sub-standard? No. These threads have been around forever. I suspect the day after CF 1.0 came out, somebody posted that it would soon be discontinued, or bought by Microsoft, or wouldn't be able to compete with some other product, etc, etc. > It is v.poor, but it is on all their products, I mean, it is > very rare (in fact, never) you can hit a railway station etc > and see a billboard about Photoshop or ColdFusion whereas you > frequently see an Office or Windows one. > Adobe is not a large company in terms of revenue and > marketing costs - they will be limited to magazines and word > of mouth for that. Those aren't comparable products. Office and Windows are intended for general consumer use. It's hard to get a computer without one or both of them! And, honestly, have you ever seen a billboard advertising ASP.NET? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263850 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Coldfusion roadmap
> Do the sheer number of threads on this subject make you > wonder if Adobe's marketing of CF might be a little sub-standard? No. These threads have been around forever. I suspect the day after CF 1.0 came out, somebody posted that it would soon be discontinued, or bought by Microsoft, or wouldn't be able to compete with some other product, etc, etc. > It is v.poor, but it is on all their products, I mean, it is > very rare (in fact, never) you can hit a railway station etc > and see a billboard about Photoshop or ColdFusion whereas you > frequently see an Office or Windows one. > Adobe is not a large company in terms of revenue and > marketing costs - they will be limited to magazines and word > of mouth for that. Those aren't comparable products. Office and Windows are intended for general consumer use. It's hard to get a computer without one or both of them! And, honestly, have you ever seen a billboard advertising ASP.NET? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263844 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Coldfusion roadmap
What marketing? - Original Message - From: "Neil Middleton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Coldfusion roadmap > Do the sheer number of threads on this subject make you wonder if Adobe's > marketing of CF might be a little sub-standard? > > Neil > > On 12/12/06, Michael E. Carluen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't find >> >any info on that. >> >> Charles, now c'mon, man... I think you answered your own question. :-) >> >> And check this out: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/amuller/280186935/ >> >> Either the oracle of cf is attempting a career-ending exhibition, or he >> must >> just be real jazzed on the upcoming CF8. Personally, I really think he'd >> still like us to buy his books. >> >> >> >> >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:Neil.Robertson- >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:10 AM >> > To: CF-Talk >> > Subject: Re: Coldfusion roadmap >> > >> > Uh oh, here it goes again! The ever present EOL stuff.. >> > >> > Let's just say, ColdFusion is alive and well.. With a major new version >> > out >> > next year. >> > >> > >> >> >> > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263841 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Coldfusion roadmap
It is v.poor, but it is on all their products, I mean, it is very rare (in fact, never) you can hit a railway station etc and see a billboard about Photoshop or ColdFusion whereas you frequently see an Office or Windows one. Adobe is not a large company in terms of revenue and marketing costs - they will be limited to magazines and word of mouth for that. "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Neil Middleton To: CF-Talk Sent: Tue Dec 12 21:24:59 2006 Subject: Re: Coldfusion roadmap Do the sheer number of threads on this subject make you wonder if Adobe's marketing of CF might be a little sub-standard? Neil On 12/12/06, Michael E. Carluen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't find > >any info on that. > > Charles, now c'mon, man... I think you answered your own question. :-) > > And check this out: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/amuller/280186935/ > > Either the oracle of cf is attempting a career-ending exhibition, or he > must > just be real jazzed on the upcoming CF8. Personally, I really think he'd > still like us to buy his books. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:Neil.Robertson- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:10 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Coldfusion roadmap > > > > Uh oh, here it goes again! The ever present EOL stuff.. > > > > Let's just say, ColdFusion is alive and well.. With a major new version > > out > > next year. > > > > > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263840 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Coldfusion roadmap
This whole thing really gets me pissed off. EVEN supposing Adobe decided they dont want ColdFusion (which i dont think they have) there would still be LOTs of coldfusion sites that need work, and they would far more likely to sell ColdFusion to someone else as a going business than just shut it down. So there's no chance we'll suddenly find ourselves out of a job. EVEN if coldfusion came to the EOL, ther would still be work for years to come afterwards. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 12/13/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uh oh, here it goes again! The ever present EOL stuff.. > > Let's just say, ColdFusion is alive and well.. With a major new version out > next year. > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263835 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Coldfusion roadmap
Do the sheer number of threads on this subject make you wonder if Adobe's marketing of CF might be a little sub-standard? Neil On 12/12/06, Michael E. Carluen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't find > >any info on that. > > Charles, now c'mon, man... I think you answered your own question. :-) > > And check this out: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/amuller/280186935/ > > Either the oracle of cf is attempting a career-ending exhibition, or he > must > just be real jazzed on the upcoming CF8. Personally, I really think he'd > still like us to buy his books. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:Neil.Robertson- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:10 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Coldfusion roadmap > > > > Uh oh, here it goes again! The ever present EOL stuff.. > > > > Let's just say, ColdFusion is alive and well.. With a major new version > > out > > next year. > > > > > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263833 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Coldfusion roadmap
Cool, thanks for the info. On 12/12/06 10:17 AM, "Jacob Munson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hello, >> I was wondering if there is a roadmap for Coldfusion like new versions >> etc... >> >> I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't find any >> info on that. > > It's definitely not EOL, here's the preview site for CF 8 (aka Scropio): > http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Scorpio > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263797 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Coldfusion roadmap
>I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't find >any info on that. Charles, now c'mon, man... I think you answered your own question. :-) And check this out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/amuller/280186935/ Either the oracle of cf is attempting a career-ending exhibition, or he must just be real jazzed on the upcoming CF8. Personally, I really think he'd still like us to buy his books. > -Original Message- > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:Neil.Robertson- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:10 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Coldfusion roadmap > > Uh oh, here it goes again! The ever present EOL stuff.. > > Let's just say, ColdFusion is alive and well.. With a major new version > out > next year. > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263779 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Coldfusion roadmap
Actually, I read his post differently. He specifically mentioned new versions. I think he is asking for how long a version of the product is supported. Sort of like Microsoft tells you that they will end support for Version X, Z number of years after Version Y comes out. Steve -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion roadmap I heard that Elvis is alive and well in a trailer park just outside Milwaukie. I heard that Iraq had WOMD. I heard there were fairies and a talking toadstool at the bottom of my garden. I heard *yawn* Andy (jackanory, jackanory, tra la la la la la) ok, sorry if I'm being really sarcastic but its a well know fact (blogs, mailing lists, Adobe Labs, etc) that CF is NOT going away. On 12/12/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uh oh, here it goes again! The ever present EOL stuff.. > > Let's just say, ColdFusion is alive and well.. With a major new version out > next year. > > > > > > > > > > "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, > Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, > Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is > confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the > intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note > that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the > information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call > our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this > communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." > Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com > > -Original Message- > From: Charles E. Heizer > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Tue Dec 12 18:10:29 2006 > Subject: Coldfusion roadmap > > Hello, > I was wondering if there is a roadmap for Coldfusion like new versions > etc... > > I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't find any > info on that. > > Thanks, > > -Charles > > > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263776 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Coldfusion roadmap
I heard that Elvis is alive and well in a trailer park just outside Milwaukie. I heard that Iraq had WOMD. I heard there were fairies and a talking toadstool at the bottom of my garden. I heard *yawn* Andy (jackanory, jackanory, tra la la la la la) ok, sorry if I'm being really sarcastic but its a well know fact (blogs, mailing lists, Adobe Labs, etc) that CF is NOT going away. On 12/12/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uh oh, here it goes again! The ever present EOL stuff.. > > Let's just say, ColdFusion is alive and well.. With a major new version out > next year. > > > > > > > > > > "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, > Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, > Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is > confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the > intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note > that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the > information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call > our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this > communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." > Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com > > -Original Message- > From: Charles E. Heizer > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Tue Dec 12 18:10:29 2006 > Subject: Coldfusion roadmap > > Hello, > I was wondering if there is a roadmap for Coldfusion like new versions > etc... > > I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't find any > info on that. > > Thanks, > > -Charles > > > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263775 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Coldfusion roadmap
> Hello, > I was wondering if there is a roadmap for Coldfusion like new versions > etc... > > I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't find any > info on that. It's definitely not EOL, here's the preview site for CF 8 (aka Scropio): http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Scorpio -- My Sites: http://www.techfeed.net/blog/ http://www.cfquickdocs.com/ http://cfformprotect.riaforge.org/ ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263773 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Coldfusion roadmap
Uh oh, here it goes again! The ever present EOL stuff.. Let's just say, ColdFusion is alive and well.. With a major new version out next year. "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Charles E. Heizer To: CF-Talk Sent: Tue Dec 12 18:10:29 2006 Subject: Coldfusion roadmap Hello, I was wondering if there is a roadmap for Coldfusion like new versions etc... I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't find any info on that. Thanks, -Charles ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:263772 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
