Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-10 Thread Tom Chiverton

On Thursday 09 Jul 2009, Dawson, Michael wrote:
> I don't see your particular update level, but I do see an update level
> that is earlier than 77218.

Cool. I cc'ed Adam so at least Adobe and Google now know :-)

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RE: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-09 Thread Dawson, Michael

I don't see your particular update level, but I do see an update level
that is earlier than 77218.

Thanks,
Mike

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Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:03 AM
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Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability


Also, after applying it, the info. page still says:
Update Level: /opt/coldfusion8/lib/updates/hf801-71471.jar   

Although it also says
CF
Classpath: :opt/coldfusion8/runtime/../lib/updates/hf801-71471.jar:
:opt/coldfusion8/runtime/../lib/updates/coldfusion8.0.1_hf801-77218.jar:


Is that what everyone else sees ?

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-09 Thread Tom Chiverton

Also, after applying it, the info. page still says:
Update Level: /opt/coldfusion8/lib/updates/hf801-71471.jar   

Although it also says
CF 
Classpath: :opt/coldfusion8/runtime/../lib/updates/hf801-71471.jar:  
:opt/coldfusion8/runtime/../lib/updates/coldfusion8.0.1_hf801-77218.jar: 

Is that what everyone else sees ?
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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-09 Thread Tom Chiverton

On Tuesday 07 Jul 2009, Dave l wrote:
> http://www.coldfusion.tv/viewVideo.cfm?videoID=111

There is a whole ton of 'old' errors in the application he hacks, any of which 
anyone could make. Without anyone of them, the 'exploit' wouldn't have 
worked.
There's nothing in the FCKeditor plugins themselves that are wrong - if you 
rolled your own upload script this could still happen !

For instance 
* user file uploads to a web accessible directory
* not checking file type of uploaded files after the upload
* full exception output left on

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-09 Thread Tom Chiverton

On Wednesday 08 Jul 2009, Adrocknaphobia wrote:
> Sorry Kris, I wish we could have made it a little less scary, but you
> shouldn't worry.

Note the instructions aren't the best.
Our CF8.0.0 server doesn't have 'editor/filemanager/connectors/cfm', so I've 
done 
# cd ../CFIDE/scripts/ajax/FCKeditor/editor/filemanager 
# find . -name '*cfm' -exec rm {} \;
instead

For CF8.0.1, step 1 says to unzip the hot fix, don't, just upload the .jar.

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-08 Thread Adrocknaphobia

Sorry Kris, I wish we could have made it a little less scary, but you
shouldn't worry. There is a 'scripts' directory under the CFIDE which is
where we store all of our JS libraries like ExtJS and the FCKEditor. What
the merge is doing is just updating the FCKEditor folder underneath, nothing
more. If you are still worried, just make a copy of the entire CFIDE
directory for a backup.
-Adam

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Kris Jones  wrote:

>
> Is it only me, or does this patch solution look pretty bad?
> "merge the cfide folder"
> Ack!
>
> Cheers,
> Kris
>
> > A hotfix was just released for this:
> > http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb09-09.html
>
> 

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-08 Thread Jason Fisher

They're (mostly) only replacing files down deep in the fckeditor's 
filemanagement folder, so it's not as scary as it sounds.

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-08 Thread Kris Jones

Is it only me, or does this patch solution look pretty bad?
 "merge the cfide folder"
Ack!

Cheers,
Kris

> A hotfix was just released for this:
> http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb09-09.html

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-08 Thread Ryan Stille

A hotfix was just released for this:
http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb09-09.html

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-07 Thread Tom Chiverton

On Monday 06 Jul 2009, Pete Freitag wrote:
> I would keep FCKeditor file upload manager disabled for now:
> http://www.petefreitag.com/item/705.cfm

As you seem to have a good test case, is it enough to set 
Config.Enabled=false ?

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-06 Thread Dave l

"Well, CF contains TONS of bundled items"
 
I've switched to railo now which doesn't have some of that stuff but it might 
be a good idea for adobe to implement some admin controls to be able to turn 
that stuff on or off. 

here is the video
http://www.coldfusion.tv/viewVideo.cfm?videoID=111 

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-06 Thread Dave Watts

> Thats the trouble with bundling things. I used to think it was nice but 
> really it creates
> these types of things.

Well, CF contains TONS of bundled items; any of these items could
conceivably have some unknown vulnerability. Database drivers, COM and
.NET interfaces, all sorts of third-party libraries, etc, etc.

> Have you seen the video of the guy hacking sites with this?

No. But it's a pretty easy thing, once you know how the vulnerability
works, I think.

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-06 Thread Pete Freitag

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:

>
> I know the vulnerability was in older versions of FCKEditor...if one were
> to
> install and use the current version, does it still have the vulnerability
> or
> has that been fixed?  I just got an emergency gig to fix a site that was
> hacked because of this and we need to know if it is safe to do this or just
> keep FCKEditor disabled inthe meantime.
>


I would keep FCKeditor file upload manager disabled for now:
http://www.petefreitag.com/item/705.cfm

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-06 Thread Eric Roberts

I have always installed FCK instead of using the bundled version...it allows
me to make sure that i have the latest version without effecting CF.  I am
not a fan of bundled/integrated anything...I think Office being the
exception...why would you want all of your eggs in one basket?

Eric

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Dave l  wrote:

>
> Thats the trouble with bundling things. I used to think it was nice but
> really it creates these types of things.
>
> Have you seen the video of the guy hacking sites with this?
>
>
>
>
> > It's not a CF-only issue. However, CF comes bundled with FCKEditor and
> > other scripting languages don't.
> >
> > If you don't allow uploads to web accessible directories, you don't
> > have anything to worry about. However, the default install of CF 8.0.1
> > on Windows does allow uploads to web accessible directories.
> >
> > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dave l 
> > Sent: Sunday, 05 July, 2009 13:37
> > To: cf-talk 
> > Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability
> >
> >
> > "If there's a default web accessible URL path for uploaded files"
> > Well that's why you don't do it. I have done it but I don't anymore.
> >
> > That's true with any server, any platform, any scripting language, I
> > don't know why they are making this out to be a cf only issue.
> >
> > I have 3 hd's,
> > #1 is the os and apps,
> > #2 is partitioned with 99.9% of it beingbu stuff and the rest is just
> > few folders that the uploads go into and run thru doing what needs to
> > be done with them.
> > #3 is web server.
> >
> > So cfm files an only be run out of the #3 hd. So if I upload the files
> > to an isolated partition with min permissions how who they run that cf
> > file? That drive isn't accessible from the web & I have no ftps or any
> > incoming connections to that drive. They could of course hack into the
> > server itself and then move the file manually to the web server drive
> > then go get it ;)
> >
> > > If there's a default web accessible URL path for uploaded files, ,
> > and
> > > that directory is configured to execute CF files, an attacker can
> > > simply upload a .cfm file, and run it to do anything CF can do:
> > > CFEXECUTE, access databases, connect to outbound FTP servers, etc.
> > You
> > > may not allow the first of those, but it's far less likely you're
> > > blocking the others.
> > >
> > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Dave l 
> > > Sent: Sunday, 05 July, 2009 09:46
> > > To: cf-talk 
> > > Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability
> > >
> > >
> > > "There's nothing OS-specific about the vulnerability, as far as I
> > can
> > > see. "
> > > I'm sure it more about a "location" that is easy to guess.. maybe
> > the
> > > default fk one.
> > > Although them exe's are gunna have a bitch of a time running on a lt
> >
> > > 1gb sectioned partition with no rights on my  xserver.
> > >
> > > To many people probably upload to /uploads (i'm guilty) so it
> > > shouldn't be to difficult.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> 

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-06 Thread Dave l

Thats the trouble with bundling things. I used to think it was nice but really 
it creates these types of things.

Have you seen the video of the guy hacking sites with this?




> It's not a CF-only issue. However, CF comes bundled with FCKEditor and 
> other scripting languages don't.
> 
> If you don't allow uploads to web accessible directories, you don't 
> have anything to worry about. However, the default install of CF 8.0.1 
> on Windows does allow uploads to web accessible directories.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave l 
> Sent: Sunday, 05 July, 2009 13:37
> To: cf-talk 
> Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability
> 
> 
> "If there's a default web accessible URL path for uploaded files"
> Well that's why you don't do it. I have done it but I don't anymore.
> 
> That's true with any server, any platform, any scripting language, I 
> don't know why they are making this out to be a cf only issue.
> 
> I have 3 hd's, 
> #1 is the os and apps, 
> #2 is partitioned with 99.9% of it beingbu stuff and the rest is just 
> few folders that the uploads go into and run thru doing what needs to 
> be done with them. 
> #3 is web server.
> 
> So cfm files an only be run out of the #3 hd. So if I upload the files 
> to an isolated partition with min permissions how who they run that cf 
> file? That drive isn't accessible from the web & I have no ftps or any 
> incoming connections to that drive. They could of course hack into the 
> server itself and then move the file manually to the web server drive 
> then go get it ;)
> 
> > If there's a default web accessible URL path for uploaded files, , 
> and 
> > that directory is configured to execute CF files, an attacker can 
> > simply upload a .cfm file, and run it to do anything CF can do: 
> > CFEXECUTE, access databases, connect to outbound FTP servers, etc. 
> You 
> > may not allow the first of those, but it's far less likely you're 
> > blocking the others.
> > 
> > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dave l 
> > Sent: Sunday, 05 July, 2009 09:46
> > To: cf-talk 
> > Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability
> > 
> > 
> > "There's nothing OS-specific about the vulnerability, as far as I 
> can 
> > see. "
> > I'm sure it more about a "location" that is easy to guess.. maybe 
> the 
> > default fk one.
> > Although them exe's are gunna have a bitch of a time running on a lt 
> 
> > 1gb sectioned partition with no rights on my  xserver.
> > 
> > To many people probably upload to /uploads (i'm guilty) so it 
> > shouldn't be to difficult. 
> > 
> 
> 


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RE: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-05 Thread Dave Watts

It's not a CF-only issue. However, CF comes bundled with FCKEditor and other 
scripting languages don't.

If you don't allow uploads to web accessible directories, you don't have 
anything to worry about. However, the default install of CF 8.0.1 on Windows 
does allow uploads to web accessible directories.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 

-Original Message-
From: Dave l 
Sent: Sunday, 05 July, 2009 13:37
To: cf-talk 
Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability


"If there's a default web accessible URL path for uploaded files"
Well that's why you don't do it. I have done it but I don't anymore.

That's true with any server, any platform, any scripting language, I don't know 
why they are making this out to be a cf only issue.

I have 3 hd's, 
#1 is the os and apps, 
#2 is partitioned with 99.9% of it beingbu stuff and the rest is just few 
folders that the uploads go into and run thru doing what needs to be done with 
them. 
#3 is web server.

So cfm files an only be run out of the #3 hd. So if I upload the files to an 
isolated partition with min permissions how who they run that cf file? That 
drive isn't accessible from the web & I have no ftps or any incoming 
connections to that drive. They could of course hack into the server itself and 
then move the file manually to the web server drive then go get it ;)

> If there's a default web accessible URL path for uploaded files, , and 
> that directory is configured to execute CF files, an attacker can 
> simply upload a .cfm file, and run it to do anything CF can do: 
> CFEXECUTE, access databases, connect to outbound FTP servers, etc. You 
> may not allow the first of those, but it's far less likely you're 
> blocking the others.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave l 
> Sent: Sunday, 05 July, 2009 09:46
> To: cf-talk 
> Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability
> 
> 
> "There's nothing OS-specific about the vulnerability, as far as I can 
> see. "
> I'm sure it more about a "location" that is easy to guess.. maybe the 
> default fk one.
> Although them exe's are gunna have a bitch of a time running on a lt 
> 1gb sectioned partition with no rights on my  xserver.
> 
> To many people probably upload to /uploads (i'm guilty) so it 
> shouldn't be to difficult. 
> 




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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-05 Thread Dave l

"If there's a default web accessible URL path for uploaded files"
Well that's why you don't do it. I have done it but I don't anymore.

That's true with any server, any platform, any scripting language, I don't know 
why they are making this out to be a cf only issue.

I have 3 hd's, 
#1 is the os and apps, 
#2 is partitioned with 99.9% of it beingbu stuff and the rest is just few 
folders that the uploads go into and run thru doing what needs to be done with 
them. 
#3 is web server.

So cfm files an only be run out of the #3 hd. So if I upload the files to an 
isolated partition with min permissions how who they run that cf file? That 
drive isn't accessible from the web & I have no ftps or any incoming 
connections to that drive. They could of course hack into the server itself and 
then move the file manually to the web server drive then go get it ;)

> If there's a default web accessible URL path for uploaded files, , and 
> that directory is configured to execute CF files, an attacker can 
> simply upload a .cfm file, and run it to do anything CF can do: 
> CFEXECUTE, access databases, connect to outbound FTP servers, etc. You 
> may not allow the first of those, but it's far less likely you're 
> blocking the others.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave l 
> Sent: Sunday, 05 July, 2009 09:46
> To: cf-talk 
> Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability
> 
> 
> "There's nothing OS-specific about the vulnerability, as far as I can 
> see. "
> I'm sure it more about a "location" that is easy to guess.. maybe the 
> default fk one.
> Although them exe's are gunna have a bitch of a time running on a lt 
> 1gb sectioned partition with no rights on my  xserver.
> 
> To many people probably upload to /uploads (i'm guilty) so it 
> shouldn't be to difficult. 
> 


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RE: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-05 Thread Dave Watts

If there's a default web accessible URL path for uploaded files, , and that 
directory is configured to execute CF files, an attacker can simply upload a 
.cfm file, and run it to do anything CF can do: CFEXECUTE, access databases, 
connect to outbound FTP servers, etc. You may not allow the first of those, but 
it's far less likely you're blocking the others.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 

-Original Message-
From: Dave l 
Sent: Sunday, 05 July, 2009 09:46
To: cf-talk 
Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability


"There's nothing OS-specific about the vulnerability, as far as I can see. "
I'm sure it more about a "location" that is easy to guess.. maybe the default 
fk one.
Although them exe's are gunna have a bitch of a time running on a lt 1gb 
sectioned partition with no rights on my  xserver.

To many people probably upload to /uploads (i'm guilty) so it shouldn't be to 
difficult. 



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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-05 Thread Dave l

"There's nothing OS-specific about the vulnerability, as far as I can see. "
I'm sure it more about a "location" that is easy to guess.. maybe the default 
fk one.
Although them exe's are gunna have a bitch of a time running on a lt 1gb 
sectioned partition with no rights on my  xserver.

To many people probably upload to /uploads (i'm guilty) so it shouldn't be to 
difficult. 

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RE: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-05 Thread Dave Watts

That is my understanding as well.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Lynch 
Sent: Sunday, 05 July, 2009 06:42
To: cf-talk 
Subject: RE: New CF8 vulnerability


If you mean your FCKEditor is accessed in a secure area, I don't think that
matters. It's whether or not certain scripts can be accessed at
yourdomain.com/cfide/scripts/bla/bla/eek.cfm.

Someone correct me if this isn't the case...

Adrian

> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Robertson [mailto:websitema...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 04 July 2009 05:01
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability
> 
> 
> Supposedly on July 6 a new version will be released that is at least
> better, if not 'fixed'.
> 
> Kind of glad I put mine behind logins from the get-go.  I am guessing
> that this affects all FCKEditor installations and not just CF8's
> cftextarea.
> 
> Way back when, an earlier cf connector was so full of holes I wound up
> rewriting it with another developer's help and posting it on their
> forum.  Guess that since then its code got a lot more complex but not
> a lot better.
> 
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RE: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-05 Thread Adrian Lynch

If you mean your FCKEditor is accessed in a secure area, I don't think that
matters. It's whether or not certain scripts can be accessed at
yourdomain.com/cfide/scripts/bla/bla/eek.cfm.

Someone correct me if this isn't the case...

Adrian

> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Robertson [mailto:websitema...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 04 July 2009 05:01
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability
> 
> 
> Supposedly on July 6 a new version will be released that is at least
> better, if not 'fixed'.
> 
> Kind of glad I put mine behind logins from the get-go.  I am guessing
> that this affects all FCKEditor installations and not just CF8's
> cftextarea.
> 
> Way back when, an earlier cf connector was so full of holes I wound up
> rewriting it with another developer's help and posting it on their
> forum.  Guess that since then its code got a lot more complex but not
> a lot better.
> 
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RE: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-04 Thread Dave Watts

I don't know, but it should be easy enough to check on your install.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 

-Original Message-
From: Eric Roberts 
Sent: Friday, 03 July, 2009 19:32
To: cf-talk 
Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability


Dave (or anyone else with information),

I know the vulnerability was in older versions of FCKEditor...if one were to
install and use the current version, does it still have the vulnerability or
has that been fixed?  I just got an emergency gig to fix a site that was
hacked because of this and we need to know if it is safe to do this or just
keep FCKEditor disabled inthe meantime.

Eric


On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:

>
> You may want to check for this on any clients/projects you've worked with:
> http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6715
>
> Remediation steps available here:
> http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/cf8-and-fckeditor-security-threat
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
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RE: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-04 Thread Dave Watts

No, a restart shouldn't be required.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 

-Original Message-
From: David McGuigan 
Sent: Saturday, 04 July, 2009 00:29
To: cf-talk 
Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability


So do we not need to restart ColdFusion after making this change?


On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:

>
> Dave (or anyone else with information),
>
> I know the vulnerability was in older versions of FCKEditor...if one were
> to
> install and use the current version, does it still have the vulnerability
> or
> has that been fixed?  I just got an emergency gig to fix a site that was
> hacked because of this and we need to know if it is safe to do this or just
> keep FCKEditor disabled inthe meantime.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:
>
> >
> > You may want to check for this on any clients/projects you've worked
> with:
> > http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6715
> >
> > Remediation steps available here:
> > http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/cf8-and-fckeditor-security-threat
> >
> > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> > http://www.figleaf.com/
> >
> > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
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> >
>
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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-03 Thread David McGuigan

So do we not need to restart ColdFusion after making this change?


On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:

>
> Dave (or anyone else with information),
>
> I know the vulnerability was in older versions of FCKEditor...if one were
> to
> install and use the current version, does it still have the vulnerability
> or
> has that been fixed?  I just got an emergency gig to fix a site that was
> hacked because of this and we need to know if it is safe to do this or just
> keep FCKEditor disabled inthe meantime.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:
>
> >
> > You may want to check for this on any clients/projects you've worked
> with:
> > http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6715
> >
> > Remediation steps available here:
> > http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/cf8-and-fckeditor-security-threat
> >
> > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> > http://www.figleaf.com/
> >
> > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-03 Thread Matt Robertson

Supposedly on July 6 a new version will be released that is at least
better, if not 'fixed'.

Kind of glad I put mine behind logins from the get-go.  I am guessing
that this affects all FCKEditor installations and not just CF8's
cftextarea.

Way back when, an earlier cf connector was so full of holes I wound up
rewriting it with another developer's help and posting it on their
forum.  Guess that since then its code got a lot more complex but not
a lot better.

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-03 Thread Eric Roberts

Dave (or anyone else with information),

I know the vulnerability was in older versions of FCKEditor...if one were to
install and use the current version, does it still have the vulnerability or
has that been fixed?  I just got an emergency gig to fix a site that was
hacked because of this and we need to know if it is safe to do this or just
keep FCKEditor disabled inthe meantime.

Eric


On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:

>
> You may want to check for this on any clients/projects you've worked with:
> http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6715
>
> Remediation steps available here:
> http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/cf8-and-fckeditor-security-threat
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
>
> 

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RE: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-03 Thread Dave Watts

Sorry for omitting the actual URLs, but I'm sending all this from my phone. And 
CF doesn't run on Windows Mobile!

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 

-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner 
Sent: Friday, 03 July, 2009 13:17
To: cf-talk 
Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability


Dave Watts wrote:
> Yes, I'm pretty certain that's how it works. You may want to test the actual 
> CF URLs even if you've moved CFIDE, as CF has a defined URL pattern match in 
> its configuration to ensure that some URLs work in any case.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 

Well, that was my subtle request for a good URL or two to test!! :-) 

I tried one or two I could guess by looking at the directory under 
scrutiny and I got an encouraging 404 Not Found for them.  But I realize 
I may not be using the best URL's for my testing.



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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-03 Thread Ian Skinner

Dave Watts wrote:
> Yes, I'm pretty certain that's how it works. You may want to test the actual 
> CF URLs even if you've moved CFIDE, as CF has a defined URL pattern match in 
> its configuration to ensure that some URLs work in any case.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 

Well, that was my subtle request for a good URL or two to test!! :-) 

I tried one or two I could guess by looking at the directory under 
scrutiny and I got an encouraging 404 Not Found for them.  But I realize 
I may not be using the best URL's for my testing.

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RE: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-03 Thread Dave Watts

You should take the same precautions you would with any file upload. Don't 
allow uploads to web-accessible directories that allow code execution on the 
server. Better yet, don't allow uploads to web-accessible directories at all, 
so that your server can't unwittingly host client-side malware. Don't run CF 
with root credentials, so that successfully uploaded CF scripts can't do bad 
things to your system.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 

-Original Message-
From: Brian McCairn 
Sent: Friday, 03 July, 2009 10:38
To: cf-talk 
Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability


what if you want to do file upload with fckeditor? 



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RE: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-03 Thread Dave Watts

Yes, I'm pretty certain that's how it works. You may want to test the actual CF 
URLs even if you've moved CFIDE, as CF has a defined URL pattern match in its 
configuration to ensure that some URLs work in any case.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 

-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner 
Sent: Friday, 03 July, 2009 10:08
To: cf-talk 
Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability


Dave Watts wrote:
> You may want to check for this on any clients/projects you've worked with:
> http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6715

How does this exploit actually work?  I presume it is somebody directly 
accessing the exposed, vulnerable, exploitable files via 
www.yourSite.org/cfide/scripts/something?  Is that correct?  If so, we 
may have been lucky enough that our cfide folder is not publicly 
available at the moment, but I would like to know more as I present this 
up the chain to get remediation steps done on our production servers.



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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-03 Thread Ian Skinner

Brian McCairn wrote:
> what if you want to do file upload with fckeditor? 

The recommendation seems to be to install the latest version of 
fckeditor independently of the built in ColdFusion edition and to make 
sure that it resides and works within properly sandboxed portions of you 
system so that permission escalation is much harder to accomplish.



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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-03 Thread Brian McCairn

what if you want to do file upload with fckeditor? 

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-03 Thread Ian Skinner

Dave Watts wrote:
> You may want to check for this on any clients/projects you've worked with:
> http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6715

How does this exploit actually work?  I presume it is somebody directly 
accessing the exposed, vulnerable, exploitable files via 
www.yourSite.org/cfide/scripts/something?  Is that correct?  If so, we 
may have been lucky enough that our cfide folder is not publicly 
available at the moment, but I would like to know more as I present this 
up the chain to get remediation steps done on our production servers.

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-03 Thread Tom Chiverton

On Friday 03 Jul 2009, Dave Watts wrote:
> Remediation steps available here:
> http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/cf8-and-fckeditor-security-threat

Site down, probably load.
In summary: 
CF8.0.1 ships with a plugin in the FCKeditor that powers rich text editing in 
a non-default, insecure state.
Find config.cfm 
in ../CFIDE/scripts/ajax/FCKeditor/editor/filemanager/connectors/cfm and 
change 'Config.enabled' to false at the top.

Then review if you need any of the features you just turned off and take it 
from there.

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-03 Thread Tom Chiverton

On Friday 03 Jul 2009, Adrian Lynch wrote:
> Am I missing something?

You're on CF8.0.0 not 8.0.1 and so fine ?

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RE: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-03 Thread Dave Watts

There's nothing OS-specific about the vulnerability, as far as I can see.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software

-Original Message-
From: James Holmes 
Sent: Thursday, 02 July, 2009 20:56
To: cf-talk 
Subject: Re: New CF8 vulnerability


And that's why our prod servers are read only (and Linux).

mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles:
http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/



2009/7/3 Dave Watts :
>
> You may want to check for this on any clients/projects you've worked with:
> http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6715
>
> Remediation steps available here:
> http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/cf8-and-fckeditor-security-threat
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
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>
> 



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RE: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-03 Thread Dave Watts

I suspect you have an older version of FCKEditor deployed in that case.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Lynch 
Sent: Friday, 03 July, 2009 06:46
To: cf-talk 
Subject: RE: New CF8 vulnerability


I don't seem to have the same file directory as that posted in the second
link. Instead I have:

\CFIDE\scripts\ajax\FCKeditor\editor\filemanager\upload\cfm\config.cfm

and:

\CFIDE\scripts\ajax\FCKeditor\editor\filemanager\browser\default\connectors\
cfm\config.cfm

Both of these files look like they are encrypted.

Am I missing something?

Adrian

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
> Sent: 03 July 2009 00:17
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: New CF8 vulnerability
> 
> 
> You may want to check for this on any clients/projects you've worked
> with:
> http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6715
> 
> Remediation steps available here:
> http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/cf8-and-fckeditor-security-
> threat
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> 
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
> 
> 



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RE: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-03 Thread Adrian Lynch

I don't seem to have the same file directory as that posted in the second
link. Instead I have:

\CFIDE\scripts\ajax\FCKeditor\editor\filemanager\upload\cfm\config.cfm

and:

\CFIDE\scripts\ajax\FCKeditor\editor\filemanager\browser\default\connectors\
cfm\config.cfm

Both of these files look like they are encrypted.

Am I missing something?

Adrian

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
> Sent: 03 July 2009 00:17
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: New CF8 vulnerability
> 
> 
> You may want to check for this on any clients/projects you've worked
> with:
> http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6715
> 
> Remediation steps available here:
> http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/cf8-and-fckeditor-security-
> threat
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> 
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
> 
> 

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Re: New CF8 vulnerability

2009-07-02 Thread James Holmes

And that's why our prod servers are read only (and Linux).

mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles:
http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/



2009/7/3 Dave Watts :
>
> You may want to check for this on any clients/projects you've worked with:
> http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6715
>
> Remediation steps available here:
> http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/cf8-and-fckeditor-security-threat
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
>
> 

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