Re: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective
I suppose that is the nature of the beast. ColdFusion development was only wedged into DW post-MM takeover and it is aimed at a different kind of developer than Eclipse has. While a lot of experienced developers use DW for whatever reason, I would say most use Eclipse and it's a logical decision for Adobe to target that audience - it also no doubt shows how DW has been selling in this arena.DW is a visual tool - it is not a serious development IDE for anything other than HTML/CSS (even coder view is just an homage (which was added by request) to a better IDE for development) This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon May 07 04:43:46 2007 Subject: RE: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective While I personally use Eclipse, that's sort of a raw deal for people who don't like Eclipse, or prefer another development environment. It's not as if Eclipse is an official Adobe product. -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 12:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective For those not following MXNA or the Goog, Ben has announced two new features for CF8: First is an AJAX Wizard for Eclipse: http://ray.camdenfamily.com/index.cfm/2007/5/6/Ben-announces-ColdFusion-AJAX -Wizard-for-Eclipse Secondly is a CF debugger for Eclipse: http://ray.camdenfamily.com/index.cfm/2007/5/6/Ben-announces-ColdFusion-Debu gger-for-Eclipse A third one is coming up soon... -- === Raymond Camden Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : ray.camdenfamily.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Video game player? Have kids? Check out KidGamers.org ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277121 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective
What do you mean un-backed? CFEclipse has the backing from Adobe. It isnt going anywhere. you could say the same about Flex since the sdk is being open sourced. *holds tongue as I might just start insulting people from now on* On 5/7/07, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adobe has made a significant investment in the Eclipse platform for their development tools, however, and FlexBuilder is both an official Adobe product and Eclipse-based. It seems pretty obvious that that's the way of the future for Adobe. I'd be shocked if Photoshop was ever an Eclipse-based product, but where you're not the giant already, but can stand on the shoulders of giants... Like it or not, Eclipse is a powerhouse in the tool arena (at least outside the sphere of Microsoft), and more and more offerings (commercial or otherwise) are leveraging that platform. If you're doing Java-related development (as ColdFusion is), the base tooling is even more powerful. For example, if you're willing to do the Java-CF reverse translation (which is reasonably straightforward), and willing to use infinite loops instead of breakpoint callouts, you can use the stock Eclipse JDT for debugging CF applications. Tacking on those two relatively trivial aspects of debugging to the existing Java debugging tooling in Eclipse sure seems like a no brainer compared to writing a debugger from scratch on the DW platform. Which isn't to say that I'm blind to the fact that they're alienating users of DW (their own product!) for those using Eclipse (probably with CFEclipse - an unbacked open source product - though FlexBuilder is Eclipse based and an official Adobe product), but without knowing what goes on behind closed doors, it seems like they've made a good decision. cheers, barneyb On 5/6/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I personally use Eclipse, that's sort of a raw deal for people who don't like Eclipse, or prefer another development environment. It's not as if Eclipse is an official Adobe product. -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277122 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective
While I personally use Eclipse, that's sort of a raw deal for people who don't like Eclipse, or prefer another development environment. It's not as if Eclipse is an official Adobe product. I suspect that Adobe might provide an AJAX/CF wizard for Dreamweaver, just like they've plugged Spry functionality into DW9 already. Debugging might be a little harder, though. But anyway, Adobe has made a pretty big commitment to Eclipse. You're probably already familiar with FlexBuilder, but Eclipse is also the platform to be used with the new LiveCycle ES programming tools, replacing the various things they'd built in-house (and working exponentially better, also!) LiveCycle Designer, the forms builder provided with Acrobat Professional, will be available as an Eclipse plugin! Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277123 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective
I'm sorry, I wasn't very clear. Spent all weekend moving and painting, so my mind's a little shot. What I meant to say is that CFEclipse is not an Adobe controlled product. It's managed by people outside Adobe, and while they do back it, they're not in the drivers seat. Flex, on the other hand, is an Adobe product, and open source or not, Adobe is still in charge of what Flex 2.5 (or whatever is next) is. Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for all your hard work on CFE! It's still got it's bumps, but it's rockin'. cheers, barneyb On 5/6/07, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you mean un-backed? CFEclipse has the backing from Adobe. It isnt going anywhere. you could say the same about Flex since the sdk is being open sourced. *holds tongue as I might just start insulting people from now on* On 5/7/07, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adobe has made a significant investment in the Eclipse platform for their development tools, however, and FlexBuilder is both an official Adobe product and Eclipse-based. It seems pretty obvious that that's the way of the future for Adobe. I'd be shocked if Photoshop was ever an Eclipse-based product, but where you're not the giant already, but can stand on the shoulders of giants... Like it or not, Eclipse is a powerhouse in the tool arena (at least outside the sphere of Microsoft), and more and more offerings (commercial or otherwise) are leveraging that platform. If you're doing Java-related development (as ColdFusion is), the base tooling is even more powerful. For example, if you're willing to do the Java-CF reverse translation (which is reasonably straightforward), and willing to use infinite loops instead of breakpoint callouts, you can use the stock Eclipse JDT for debugging CF applications. Tacking on those two relatively trivial aspects of debugging to the existing Java debugging tooling in Eclipse sure seems like a no brainer compared to writing a debugger from scratch on the DW platform. Which isn't to say that I'm blind to the fact that they're alienating users of DW (their own product!) for those using Eclipse (probably with CFEclipse - an unbacked open source product - though FlexBuilder is Eclipse based and an official Adobe product), but without knowing what goes on behind closed doors, it seems like they've made a good decision. cheers, barneyb On 5/6/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I personally use Eclipse, that's sort of a raw deal for people who don't like Eclipse, or prefer another development environment. It's not as if Eclipse is an official Adobe product. -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277167 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective
Adobe do have a say as they are part of the foundation http://www.adobe.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2005/eclipse_flashplatform.html Put the point of Eclipse is that others can create plugins for the platform be it free (CFE) or commercial (flexBuilder / MyEclipse) With many other companies supplying Eclipse plugins (XML SPY etc) means you have one tool environment to do all your development with out having to open many applications, making life easier in my view. -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 May 2007 18:19 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective I'm sorry, I wasn't very clear. Spent all weekend moving and painting, so my mind's a little shot. What I meant to say is that CFEclipse is not an Adobe controlled product. It's managed by people outside Adobe, and while they do back it, they're not in the drivers seat. Flex, on the other hand, is an Adobe product, and open source or not, Adobe is still in charge of what Flex 2.5 (or whatever is next) is. Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for all your hard work on CFE! It's still got it's bumps, but it's rockin'. cheers, barneyb On 5/6/07, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you mean un-backed? CFEclipse has the backing from Adobe. It isnt going anywhere. you could say the same about Flex since the sdk is being open sourced. *holds tongue as I might just start insulting people from now on* On 5/7/07, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adobe has made a significant investment in the Eclipse platform for their development tools, however, and FlexBuilder is both an official Adobe product and Eclipse-based. It seems pretty obvious that that's the way of the future for Adobe. I'd be shocked if Photoshop was ever an Eclipse-based product, but where you're not the giant already, but can stand on the shoulders of giants... Like it or not, Eclipse is a powerhouse in the tool arena (at least outside the sphere of Microsoft), and more and more offerings (commercial or otherwise) are leveraging that platform. If you're doing Java-related development (as ColdFusion is), the base tooling is even more powerful. For example, if you're willing to do the Java-CF reverse translation (which is reasonably straightforward), and willing to use infinite loops instead of breakpoint callouts, you can use the stock Eclipse JDT for debugging CF applications. Tacking on those two relatively trivial aspects of debugging to the existing Java debugging tooling in Eclipse sure seems like a no brainer compared to writing a debugger from scratch on the DW platform. Which isn't to say that I'm blind to the fact that they're alienating users of DW (their own product!) for those using Eclipse (probably with CFEclipse - an unbacked open source product - though FlexBuilder is Eclipse based and an official Adobe product), but without knowing what goes on behind closed doors, it seems like they've made a good decision. cheers, barneyb On 5/6/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I personally use Eclipse, that's sort of a raw deal for people who don't like Eclipse, or prefer another development environment. It's not as if Eclipse is an official Adobe product. -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277169 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective
Adobe might not be in the drivers seat, but by the very nature of the resources they wield in the CFEclipse project, you could say ( to continue your metaphor) that they're holding the GPS. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 5/8/07, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, I wasn't very clear. Spent all weekend moving and painting, so my mind's a little shot. What I meant to say is that CFEclipse is not an Adobe controlled product. It's managed by people outside Adobe, and while they do back it, they're not in the drivers seat. Flex, on the other hand, is an Adobe product, and open source or not, Adobe is still in charge of what Flex 2.5 (or whatever is next) is. Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for all your hard work on CFE! It's still got it's bumps, but it's rockin'. cheers, barneyb ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277171 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective
Resources? You mean Mark? This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Mike Kear To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon May 07 18:44:30 2007 Subject: Re: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective Adobe might not be in the drivers seat, but by the very nature of the resources they wield in the CFEclipse project, you could say ( to continue your metaphor) that they're holding the GPS. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 5/8/07, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, I wasn't very clear. Spent all weekend moving and painting, so my mind's a little shot. What I meant to say is that CFEclipse is not an Adobe controlled product. It's managed by people outside Adobe, and while they do back it, they're not in the drivers seat. Flex, on the other hand, is an Adobe product, and open source or not, Adobe is still in charge of what Flex 2.5 (or whatever is next) is. Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for all your hard work on CFE! It's still got it's bumps, but it's rockin'. cheers, barneyb ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277173 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective
I think he refers to the fact that Adobe foots the bill for the web and file hosting for CFEclipse. On 5/7/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Resources? You mean Mark? ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277189 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective
Ah, well still pittance I suppose considering the amount of time (and JD) Mark spends on the project in his own time. This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Doug Bezona To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon May 07 20:27:30 2007 Subject: Re: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective I think he refers to the fact that Adobe foots the bill for the web and file hosting for CFEclipse. On 5/7/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Resources? You mean Mark? ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277192 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective
On 5/7/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, well still pittance I suppose considering the amount of time (and JD) Mark spends on the project in his own time. Certainly no one should underestimate the time Mark spends on this project! His work on the new frameworks explorer plugin is awesome - it's already making me more productive and I'm very grateful for that. He has two more projects in the works, to be announced at Scotch and at CFUNITED. Adobe help where they can and Mark consults them on stuff but they don't drive the project, as far as I can tell. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277198 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective
Debugging! Hallelujah!!! This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden To: CF-Talk Sent: Sun May 06 18:00:32 2007 Subject: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective For those not following MXNA or the Goog, Ben has announced two new features for CF8: First is an AJAX Wizard for Eclipse: http://ray.camdenfamily.com/index.cfm/2007/5/6/Ben-announces-ColdFusion-AJAX -Wizard-for-Eclipse Secondly is a CF debugger for Eclipse: http://ray.camdenfamily.com/index.cfm/2007/5/6/Ben-announces-ColdFusion-Debu gger-for-Eclipse A third one is coming up soon... -- === Raymond Camden Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : ray.camdenfamily.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Video game player? Have kids? Check out KidGamers.org ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277108 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective
While I personally use Eclipse, that's sort of a raw deal for people who don't like Eclipse, or prefer another development environment. It's not as if Eclipse is an official Adobe product. -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 12:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective For those not following MXNA or the Goog, Ben has announced two new features for CF8: First is an AJAX Wizard for Eclipse: http://ray.camdenfamily.com/index.cfm/2007/5/6/Ben-announces-ColdFusion-AJAX -Wizard-for-Eclipse Secondly is a CF debugger for Eclipse: http://ray.camdenfamily.com/index.cfm/2007/5/6/Ben-announces-ColdFusion-Debu gger-for-Eclipse A third one is coming up soon... -- === Raymond Camden Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : ray.camdenfamily.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Video game player? Have kids? Check out KidGamers.org ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277117 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Announcements from Ben at cfObjective
Adobe has made a significant investment in the Eclipse platform for their development tools, however, and FlexBuilder is both an official Adobe product and Eclipse-based. It seems pretty obvious that that's the way of the future for Adobe. I'd be shocked if Photoshop was ever an Eclipse-based product, but where you're not the giant already, but can stand on the shoulders of giants... Like it or not, Eclipse is a powerhouse in the tool arena (at least outside the sphere of Microsoft), and more and more offerings (commercial or otherwise) are leveraging that platform. If you're doing Java-related development (as ColdFusion is), the base tooling is even more powerful. For example, if you're willing to do the Java-CF reverse translation (which is reasonably straightforward), and willing to use infinite loops instead of breakpoint callouts, you can use the stock Eclipse JDT for debugging CF applications. Tacking on those two relatively trivial aspects of debugging to the existing Java debugging tooling in Eclipse sure seems like a no brainer compared to writing a debugger from scratch on the DW platform. Which isn't to say that I'm blind to the fact that they're alienating users of DW (their own product!) for those using Eclipse (probably with CFEclipse - an unbacked open source product - though FlexBuilder is Eclipse based and an official Adobe product), but without knowing what goes on behind closed doors, it seems like they've made a good decision. cheers, barneyb On 5/6/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I personally use Eclipse, that's sort of a raw deal for people who don't like Eclipse, or prefer another development environment. It's not as if Eclipse is an official Adobe product. -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277118 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
