Re: Moving to Apache

2010-09-04 Thread Russ Michaels

I had no problems using CF8 with IIS7, as I said you just need to make sure
you have the IIS6 compatibility mode and tools installed.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Terry Troxel te...@it-werks.com wrote:


 Terry,

 you edit the hosts file exactly as you do now, it makes no difference that
 you are using Apache. The hosts file is simply telling your machine to
 resolve a domain to a specific IP address, e.g. your local machine.
 IIS6 only allows 1 site to be active at a time, but you can have multiple
 sites and switch between them, here is a free tool to make that easier.
 http://www.jetstat.com/iisadmin/
 IIS7 does not have this restriction, neither does Apache.

 Thanks Russ, but if I understand you right the tool you mention works with
 XP not win7.
 I have CF8 installed with the development server set to port 80, because I
 tried to install IIS7
 And then saw all the posts saying installing Coldfusion with IIS7 was a
 nightmare and try as I
 Might I couldn't get it to work. Has anything changed? If so I am game to
 try again.

 Terry



 

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RE: Moving to Apache

2010-09-03 Thread Steve LaBadie

Russ,

We tried both ISAPI_rewrite3_0075_lite and ISAPI_rewrite3_0069_lite with
no luck. I am not sure how you know the difference between what rules
WordPress is giving you (Apache/IIS).

Steve LaBadie, Web Manager
East Stroudsburg University
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East Stroudsburg, Pa 18301
570-422-3999
http://www.esu.edu
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-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:37 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Moving to Apache


make sure you are using Isapi rewrite 3 and not 2 as only 3 works with
apache rules
make sure wordpress is giving you the Apache rules and not the IIS
rules.
If it is causing you that much grief, it probably will just be easier to
give Apache a try. However I would recommend upgrading to windows
2008/IIS7
as it is better in many ways, it is however significantly different and
does
have a fair old learning curve.



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RE: Moving to Apache

2010-09-03 Thread Terry Troxel

I would love to install Apache on my laptop/windows7 for a development
server, 
but have no idea how to set it up where I can put the 192.168.1.8
testdomain.com
in the hosts file and then add the website in Apache because IIS only allows
1 default
site unless its running on a server.

Anyone have any suggestions here (positive ones)?

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Re: Moving to Apache

2010-09-03 Thread Russ Michaels

Terry,

you edit the hosts file exactly as you do now, it makes no difference that
you are using Apache. The hosts file is simply telling your machine to
resolve a domain to a specific IP address, e.g. your local machine.
IIS6 only allows 1 site to be active at a time, but you can have multiple
sites and switch between them, here is a free tool to make that easier.
http://www.jetstat.com/iisadmin/
IIS7 does not have this restriction, neither does Apache.



On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Terry Troxel te...@it-werks.com wrote:


 I would love to install Apache on my laptop/windows7 for a development
 server,
 but have no idea how to set it up where I can put the 192.168.1.8
 testdomain.com
 in the hosts file and then add the website in Apache because IIS only
 allows
 1 default
 site unless its running on a server.

 Anyone have any suggestions here (positive ones)?

 Terry



 

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Re: Moving to Apache

2010-09-03 Thread Russ Michaels

Steve.

The difference is quite obvious. If you are using the latest wordpress then
i'm quite sure it detects your webserver and gives you the right rules, but
as IIS6 has no such feature then it may not be detecting either.
The IIS rules are web.config entries, the Apache rules are htacces sentries.
If you google them both you will find examples of each.


Russ

On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Steve LaBadie slaba...@po-box.esu.eduwrote:


 Russ,

 We tried both ISAPI_rewrite3_0075_lite and ISAPI_rewrite3_0069_lite with
 no luck. I am not sure how you know the difference between what rules
 WordPress is giving you (Apache/IIS).

 Steve LaBadie, Web Manager
 East Stroudsburg University
 200 Prospect St.
 East Stroudsburg, Pa 18301
 570-422-3999
 http://www.esu.edu
 slaba...@po-box.esu.edu
 -Original Message-
 From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
 Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:37 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Moving to Apache


 make sure you are using Isapi rewrite 3 and not 2 as only 3 works with
 apache rules
 make sure wordpress is giving you the Apache rules and not the IIS
 rules.
 If it is causing you that much grief, it probably will just be easier to
 give Apache a try. However I would recommend upgrading to windows
 2008/IIS7
 as it is better in many ways, it is however significantly different and
 does
 have a fair old learning curve.



 --
 Russ Michaels
 www.cfmldeveloper.com - Supporting the CF community since 1999
 FREE ColdFusion/Railo hosting for developers.

 blog: www.michaels.me.uk




 

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RE: Moving to Apache

2010-09-03 Thread Terry Troxel

Terry,

you edit the hosts file exactly as you do now, it makes no difference that
you are using Apache. The hosts file is simply telling your machine to
resolve a domain to a specific IP address, e.g. your local machine.
IIS6 only allows 1 site to be active at a time, but you can have multiple
sites and switch between them, here is a free tool to make that easier.
http://www.jetstat.com/iisadmin/
IIS7 does not have this restriction, neither does Apache.

Thanks Russ, but if I understand you right the tool you mention works with
XP not win7.
I have CF8 installed with the development server set to port 80, because I
tried to install IIS7
And then saw all the posts saying installing Coldfusion with IIS7 was a
nightmare and try as I
Might I couldn't get it to work. Has anything changed? If so I am game to
try again.

Terry



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RE: Moving to Apache

2010-09-02 Thread Andrew Scott

Just run the JRun Web Connector and make the changes you need.

Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/


 -Original Message-
 From: Steve LaBadie [mailto:slaba...@po-box.esu.edu]
 Sent: Friday, 3 September 2010 12:32 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Moving to Apache
 
 
 I am currently running ColdFusion MX7 on Windows 2003 running IIS. I would
 like to switch to Apache.
 
 
 
 1. Can this be done without screwing things up?
 
 2. Do I have to re-install CF and point to Apache?
 
 3. Should I set-up a VM?
 
 
 
 I did set up a testing server to make sure everything works using Apache.
So
 now I am ready to make the switch.
 
 
 
 Any guidance would be appreciated.
 
 
 
 Steve LaBadie, Web Manager
 
 East Stroudsburg University
 
 200 Prospect St.
 
 East Stroudsburg, Pa 18301
 
 570-422-3999
 
 http://www.esu.edu http://www.esu.edu
 
 slaba...@po-box.esu.edu mailto:slaba...@po-box.esu.edu
 
 
 
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Re: Moving to Apache

2010-09-02 Thread Dave Watts

 I am currently running ColdFusion MX7 on Windows 2003 running IIS. I
 would like to switch to Apache.

 1.     Can this be done without screwing things up?

Yes, if done carefully. If this is on the same box, you obviously
won't be able to have both Apache and IIS listening to port 80, so
there will be a little bit of downtime.

 2.     Do I have to re-install CF and point to Apache?

You don't have to reinstall CF. You will simply need to run the JRun
web server configuration tool to disconnect CF from IIS and connect it
to Apache. If you have multiple virtual hosts, you'll probably end up
doing some manual configuration with Apache, as the web server
configuration tool doesn't handle that too well - you might want to
test setting this up in another environment first.

 3.     Should I set-up a VM?

That shouldn't be necessary for this.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

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Re: Moving to Apache

2010-09-02 Thread Russ Michaels

do you have some particular reason to switch to Apache?
Windows is much easier to use and administer, especially if you are not used
to Apache/Linux.
Unless there is a specific feature of Apache you need which IIS doesn't have
then you may be just creating more work and complications for yourself.

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:


  I am currently running ColdFusion MX7 on Windows 2003 running IIS. I
  would like to switch to Apache.
 
  1. Can this be done without screwing things up?

 Yes, if done carefully. If this is on the same box, you obviously
 won't be able to have both Apache and IIS listening to port 80, so
 there will be a little bit of downtime.

  2. Do I have to re-install CF and point to Apache?

 You don't have to reinstall CF. You will simply need to run the JRun
 web server configuration tool to disconnect CF from IIS and connect it
 to Apache. If you have multiple virtual hosts, you'll probably end up
 doing some manual configuration with Apache, as the web server
 configuration tool doesn't handle that too well - you might want to
 test setting this up in another environment first.

  3. Should I set-up a VM?

 That shouldn't be necessary for this.

 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 http://training.figleaf.com/

 Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
 GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
 instruction at our training centers, online, or o

 

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Re: Moving to Apache

2010-09-02 Thread Jesse Passwaters

File names are case sensitive with linux / apache and your application.cfm
page has to start with an uppercase...Application.cfm

Jesse

On Sep 2, 2010 1:23 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:

 do you have some particular reason to switch to Apache?
 Windows is much easier to use and administer, especially if you are not
used
 to Apache/Linux.
 Unless there is a specific feature of Apache you need which IIS doesn't
have
 then you may be just creating more work and complications for yourself.

 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:


  I am currently running ColdFusion MX7 on Windows 2003 running IIS. I
  would like to switch to Apache.
 
  1. Can this be done without screwing things up?

 Yes, if done carefully. If this is on the same box, you obviously
 won't be able to have both Apache and IIS listening to port 80, so
 there will be a little bit of downtime.

  2. Do I have to re-install CF and point to Apache?

 You don't have to reinstall CF. You will simply need to run the JRun
 web server configuration tool to disconnect CF from IIS and connect it
 to Apache. If you have multiple virtual hosts, you'll probably end up
 doing some manual configuration with Apache, as the web server
 configuration tool doesn't handle that too well - you might want to
 test setting this up in another environment first.

  3. Should I set-up a VM?

 That shouldn't be necessary for this.

 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 http://training.figleaf.com/

 Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
 GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
 instruction at our training centers, online, or o



 

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RE: Moving to Apache

2010-09-02 Thread Andy Matthews

Not trying to start an argument, but you can't much easier than adding a
vhost block to the httpd.conf file in Apache.

IIS on the other hand has loads of nested windows and boxes and permissions.
Apache lets you do it all in one spot.


andy 

-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:23 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Moving to Apache


do you have some particular reason to switch to Apache?
Windows is much easier to use and administer, especially if you are not used
to Apache/Linux.
Unless there is a specific feature of Apache you need which IIS doesn't have
then you may be just creating more work and complications for yourself.

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:


  I am currently running ColdFusion MX7 on Windows 2003 running IIS. I 
  would like to switch to Apache.
 
  1. Can this be done without screwing things up?

 Yes, if done carefully. If this is on the same box, you obviously 
 won't be able to have both Apache and IIS listening to port 80, so 
 there will be a little bit of downtime.

  2. Do I have to re-install CF and point to Apache?

 You don't have to reinstall CF. You will simply need to run the JRun 
 web server configuration tool to disconnect CF from IIS and connect it 
 to Apache. If you have multiple virtual hosts, you'll probably end up 
 doing some manual configuration with Apache, as the web server 
 configuration tool doesn't handle that too well - you might want to 
 test setting this up in another environment first.

  3. Should I set-up a VM?

 That shouldn't be necessary for this.

 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 http://training.figleaf.com/

 Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA 
 Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized 
 instruction at our training centers, online, or o

 



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Re: Moving to Apache

2010-09-02 Thread Dave Watts

 IIS on the other hand has loads of nested windows and boxes and permissions.
 Apache lets you do it all in one spot.

IIS lets you do it all in one spot also. You don't have to use the IIS
management console unless you like the pointing and the clicking. IIS
also has an API to let you automate this stuff if you want, and comes
with a bunch of sample scripts you can use to do it.

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RE: Moving to Apache

2010-09-02 Thread Andy Matthews

Really? I didn't know that. That's cool. 

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:33 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Moving to Apache


 IIS on the other hand has loads of nested windows and boxes and
permissions.
 Apache lets you do it all in one spot.

IIS lets you do it all in one spot also. You don't have to use the IIS
management console unless you like the pointing and the clicking. IIS also
has an API to let you automate this stuff if you want, and comes with a
bunch of sample scripts you can use to do it.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software



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RE: Moving to Apache

2010-09-02 Thread Justin Scott

 IIS on the other hand has loads of nested windows and
 boxes and permissions.  Apache lets you do it all in
 one spot.

Well, there are multiple ways of looking at it.  You could say that IIS
doesn't force you to memorize or search a reference for all of its specific
configuration properties.  They're all right on the screen to see for those
who don't spend their days pouring over web server configuration.  Point,
click, done.

IIS6 had a scriptable metabase which could be managed from the command line,
though that is generally not as intuitive as editing the configuration file.
If you're the type that likes to edit the configuration files directly, IIS7
now uses text-based configuration files which can be edited directly without
ever using the GUI management tool if one so chooses.  Using the GUI is a
lot easier though, as millions of cPanel users (and similar tools) on *nix
systems have found.

To each their own...


-Justin



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RE: Moving to Apache

2010-09-02 Thread Steve LaBadie

I didn't really want to switch, but we couldn't get WordPress 3 to work
on IIS. We have to migrate our faculty website off of our UNIX box an
onto the web server. Up until now faculty or someone had to know HTML in
order to create web pages for them. We installed WordPress and created a
bunch of templates so they didn't have to go through the difficult
process of creating web pages.

Steve LaBadie, Web Manager
East Stroudsburg University
200 Prospect St.
East Stroudsburg, Pa 18301
570-422-3999
http://www.esu.edu
slaba...@po-box.esu.edu

-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:23 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Moving to Apache


do you have some particular reason to switch to Apache?
Windows is much easier to use and administer, especially if you are not
used
to Apache/Linux.
Unless there is a specific feature of Apache you need which IIS doesn't
have
then you may be just creating more work and complications for yourself.

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:


  I am currently running ColdFusion MX7 on Windows 2003 running IIS. I
  would like to switch to Apache.
 
  1. Can this be done without screwing things up?

 Yes, if done carefully. If this is on the same box, you obviously
 won't be able to have both Apache and IIS listening to port 80, so
 there will be a little bit of downtime.

  2. Do I have to re-install CF and point to Apache?

 You don't have to reinstall CF. You will simply need to run the JRun
 web server configuration tool to disconnect CF from IIS and connect it
 to Apache. If you have multiple virtual hosts, you'll probably end up
 doing some manual configuration with Apache, as the web server
 configuration tool doesn't handle that too well - you might want to
 test setting this up in another environment first.

  3. Should I set-up a VM?

 That shouldn't be necessary for this.

 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 http://training.figleaf.com/

 Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
 GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
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Re: Moving to Apache

2010-09-02 Thread Russ Michaels

I have wordpress 3 running on IIS7 with no problems at all, it was the
easiest setup I have ever done and works perfectly.
However I note you said you are running windows 2003 which is IIS6, which
may be the issue as I believe wordpress requires URL rewriting to work
properly. This is built in to IIS7 bit not IIS6, and wordpress detects IIS7
automatically and generates the rewrite rules in the web.config which is the
same as the .htaccess.
There is a solution for IIS6 called ISAPI REWRITE which is fully compatible
with Apache mod_rewrite rules and you can just copy the Apache .htaccess
file, so any software that requires Apache for mod_rewrite , should work on
IIS using ISAPI_REWRITE.
You can download it here.
http://www.helicontech.com/isapi_rewrite/



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RE: Moving to Apache

2010-09-02 Thread Steve LaBadie

Russ,

We tried ISAPI_WRITE_LITE from Helicon Tech. We couldn't get the Rewrite
Rules to work. We also tried WordPress_URL Rewrite and that crashed the
system. We just figured the only way around was to switch to Apache.

I will have to see if our System Admin is willing to upgrade to IIS7.

Steve LaBadie, Web Manager
East Stroudsburg University
200 Prospect St.
East Stroudsburg, Pa 18301
570-422-3999
http://www.esu.edu
slaba...@po-box.esu.edu

-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:50 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Moving to Apache


I have wordpress 3 running on IIS7 with no problems at all, it was the
easiest setup I have ever done and works perfectly.
However I note you said you are running windows 2003 which is IIS6,
which
may be the issue as I believe wordpress requires URL rewriting to work
properly. This is built in to IIS7 bit not IIS6, and wordpress detects
IIS7
automatically and generates the rewrite rules in the web.config which is
the
same as the .htaccess.
There is a solution for IIS6 called ISAPI REWRITE which is fully
compatible
with Apache mod_rewrite rules and you can just copy the Apache .htaccess
file, so any software that requires Apache for mod_rewrite , should work
on
IIS using ISAPI_REWRITE.
You can download it here.
http://www.helicontech.com/isapi_rewrite/



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Re: Moving to Apache

2010-09-02 Thread Russ Michaels

make sure you are using Isapi rewrite 3 and not 2 as only 3 works with
apache rules
make sure wordpress is giving you the Apache rules and not the IIS rules.
If it is causing you that much grief, it probably will just be easier to
give Apache a try. However I would recommend upgrading to windows 2008/IIS7
as it is better in many ways, it is however significantly different and does
have a fair old learning curve.



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